VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

Does anyone know how they look on Horthgar yet?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Yencat

It is purchased with the Island currency yes, too early to say how much/little work it is.

---

Also too early to say if you can sell it or if it's going to be unique.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Yencat

And like Sturm said, they look good. No fiveheads, no cone-heads, no botched hairbands or other weirdness I've noticed so far. :)

---

Alright nice, something to look forward to.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Bunnycake

Oooo, new crafting gear have helms! Would be nice if vieras and hrothgar can wear them.

---

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...31/201/40f.png

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Also too early to say if you can sell it or if it's going to be unique.

---

I can see them now and they're Market Prohibited, so if you want them you have to do the Island Sanctuary.

I can accept the decision to limit the amount of headgear visible for Hrothgar, but could we at least get the Dragoon helmets?

Having those is kind of important for job identity.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Yencat

I can see them now and they're Market Prohibited, so if you want them you have to do the Island Sanctuary.

---

Well was hoping i could share them with my alts. They can all unlock it but will get to that at some point. Going to see how much I like it and I've got time before relic. This is open world instanced content which i enjoy. If relic proves to be a disappointment I'll be spending my time here but too soon to tell.

I spent the first couple hours getting hairstyle content for my Viera luckily I could buy them with platinum and gold coins which made it easy. Going to watch prices cause i can afford to buy quite a few more hairstyles and maybe cash in on the rush we'll see.

Hairstyle contest just for Viera and Hrothgar please

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Belauron

Does anyone know how they look on Horthgar yet?

---

Hrothgars are surprisingly quiet this morning. :p

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Hrothgars are surprisingly quiet this morning. :p

---

Did they not get anything again?
Someone mentioned they got ponytails?

I'm absolutely amazed that they let Viera wear the Raid Fending/Maiming helmets by hiding the ears. Not sure why they didn't do the same with the crafted gear though...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Belauron

Did they not get anything again?
Someone mentioned they got ponytails?

---

As far as I know we got the new hairstyles and nothing else besides what was already announced.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Siddiax

I'm absolutely amazed that they let Viera wear the Raid Fending/Maiming helmets by hiding the ears. Not sure why they didn't do the same with the crafted gear though...

---

B/c it's a terrible habit for SE to be getting into. I know we're all happy to have Viera/Hroth friendly helmets, but if you're going to cut your ears off then why did you make a Viera and not a Hyur? Sorry, I'll be that one person that's always referred to as, "Even if they did they'll be the one person to complain."

---(No longer responding to quote XD)---

Look, Viera's and Hrothgars have ears, similar to Miqote / Elezen / Lala's. I know it isn't convenient, but they're an extremely recognized race to the franchise at this point. I know the better option is to hide them until a better idea is given later, but we all know later will never happen.

SE, Please PLEASE pretty please do not get into a habit of cutting the ears off. Give armor ear holes if you don't want to mess with the armor like miqote / elezen, give the option to have ear holes, but please do not let this be the precedent.

Also, thank you for such a positive patch for Vieras / Hrothgars, I feel hope in seeing the finish line of all addition hair / helmets - hopefully by next expansion <3

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Belauron

Did they not get anything again?
Someone mentioned they got ponytails?

---

I'm pretty sure they got stuff. Hairs for sure. a picture of one or two hairs in the patch notes. I haven't seen anything personally, or shared by hrothgars on here though.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by LittleArrow

B/c it's a terrible habit for SE to be getting into. I know we're all happy to have Viera/Hroth friendly helmets, but if you're going to cut your ears off then why did you make a Viera and not a Hyur? Sorry, I'll be that one person that's always referred to as, "Even if they did they'll be the one person to complain."

---

Agreed. While it's nice if viera can use those helmets, this shouldn't be an acceptable practice. It's why I heavily dislike reaper, for example. I have been vehemently against racial features being removed - especially as an easy way of doing something - for races. Not just viera or hrothgar.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by LittleArrow

B/c it's a terrible habit for SE to be getting into. I know we're all happy to get to wear this helmet, but if you're going to cut your ears off then why did you make a Viera and not a Hyur? Sorry, I'll be that one person that's always referred to as, "Even if they did they'll be the one person to complain."

Look, Viera's and Hrothgars have ears just like Miqote. I know it isn't convenient, but they're an extremely recognized race to franchise at this point. I know the better option is to hide them until a better idea is given later, but we all know later will never happen.

SE, Please PLEASE pretty please do not get into a habit of cutting our ears off. Give us ear holes if you don't want to mess with the armor like miqote / elezen, give us the option to have ear holes, but please do not let this be the precedent.

Also, thank you for such a positive patch for Vieras / Hrothgars, I feel hope in seeing the finish line of all addition hair / helmets - hopefully by next expansion <3

---

I'd much rather be able to wear the new gear than the current situation with 90% of new gear where they just disable the headgear model for my character. It's very easy for people who play ARR races to be picky though, they have access to almost all the hair and headgear already.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

I'd much rather be able to wear the new gear than the current situation with 90% of new gear where they just disable the headgear model for my character. It's very easy for people who play ARR races to be picky though, they have access to almost all the hair and headgear already.

---

Well I play viera, and I don't like it. Removing racial features should never become the norm.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Belauron

Did they not get anything again?
Someone mentioned they got ponytails?

---

I don't think many (if any) people have unlocked the new ponytails from Island Sanctuary yet, but those should work on Hrothgar as well.

The images of Hrothgar in the patch notes were just to show that they altered the hair models they added last patch to show the ears.

I'm not going to persist in the land of copium where I ever expect Viera to get normal headgear compatibility. It'll be a 7.0 thing if at all and quite frankly I would rather they remove the racial features than the alternative which is never being able to wear those pieces at all. Will I wear them? No, I don't care for helmets or hats, but earless helmets are still better than nothing at all. People can at least enjoy the full raid gear and savage raid gear they worked for without having to Fantasia to a whole other race. Overall we got a lot of good in this patch namely the confirmation that Viera/Hroths can and will get brand new hairstyles as they release and as far as I'm concerned visible helmets are visible helmets.

Great Lengths!!!!!!! FINALLY, THANK YOU SE!

But where are my ears on the new helmets? ¬¬

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by LittleArrow

if you're going to cut your ears off then why did you make a Viera and not a Hyur?

---

Because there's more to the race than their ears.

I just hate that I'm not able to display a certain piece of equipment on my character because SE randomly decided so. Let the ears clip, hide them, whatever, I just want to be able to actually see a helmet/hat on my head.

I also don't see any logic in entirely hiding a headpiece when you can already do that yourself. If someone doesn't like that it hides their ears, or lets them clip, that's their issue.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Siddiax

Because there's more to the race than their ears.

---

I completely disagree. SE has a nasty habit of making races that are just humans with ears of who knows what. The only real race is Hrothgar. Otherwise, remove the ears and tail (if any) and everyone turns into Hyur.

I want my ears. I'm not satisfied with a job poorly done like that, no.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Adamantini

I completely disagree. SE has a nasty habit of making races that are just humans with ears of who knows what. The only real race is Hrothgar. Otherwise, remove the ears and tail (if any) and everyone turns into Hyur.

I want my ears. I'm not satisfied with a job poorly done like that, no.

---

People didn't accept hrothgar hairs with no ears, so hrothgar got ears, and quickly too considering. People accept this? Viera might get some headgear, but good luck with ever having ears with them ever again.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Adamantini

I completely disagree. SE has a nasty habit of making races that are just humans with ears of who knows what. The only real race is Hrothgar. Otherwise, remove the ears and tail (if any) and everyone turns into Hyur.

I want my ears. I'm not satisfied with a job poorly done like that, no.

---

So what do you propose then ? Should they just cut out holes on every full plate helmet ? It really doesn't look good on heavy armor.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SturmChurro

People didn't accept hrothgar hairs with no ears, so hrothgar got ears, and quickly too considering. People accept this? Viera might get some headgear, but good luck with ever having ears with them ever again.

---

well, at least they can't say that I won't try

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SturmChurro

People didn't accept hrothgar hairs with no ears, so hrothgar got ears, and quickly too considering. People accept this? Viera might get some headgear, but good luck with ever having ears with them ever again.

---

That would still be preferred to having no headgear, since I could just remove the headgear to get my ears back.

Imo these are not comparable problems. Viera aren't earless with new hairstyles and never needed to Fantasia just to change between a couple existing styles, they got a big update today with some unexpected things. This is a niche scenario in which people who play Viera should have the option to choose if they'll tolerate having their ears covered or not. I would rather have the choice than the choice be made for me by revoking all visibility of a piece of gear. People who want helmets should have the ability to use them even if it offers some compromises and I don't think it's fair to suggest that we have to take all or nothing. We all probably prioritize different things. For you headgear might be a big deal but to me it isn't. I'm heavily in the camp that cares about hair but could live without most headgear and not notice or experience any FOMO.

I mean it was clearly communicated that both Viera and Hrothgar will be heavily limited races when it comes to hairstyles and headgear so i don't get why so many people are so confused about this. Take what you get but don't expect what was denied and never promised in the first place.

If you read through the current conversation nobody is confused about the lack of headgear. In fact, the debate is currently about headgear that IS visible and enabled. For the record these new raid helmets delete Miqo ears too so it isn't even a conversation exclusively pertaining to Viera and Hrothgar, it's about what compromises people are willing to make when it comes to racial features and glamour.

The big irony is if they continue at their current pace of updates Viera will have a bigger and more varied selection of hairstyles than Miqo, Lalas, etc. by the time 7.0 drops. and that is all because people made it clear that updates were desired.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Siddiax

So what do you propose then ? Should they just cut out holes on every full plate helmet ? It really doesn't look good on heavy armor.

---

ear pockets, my friend. Add metalic bunny ears on top of these helmets, and problem solved

This was a good batch of hair and we now know new styles are built for all races. Between this and some lucky rolls in panda, today has been a most excellent patch day :o

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Wind-Krysvein

I can accept the decision to limit the amount of headgear visible for Hrothgar, but could we at least get the Dragoon helmets?

---

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/imag...e-Hrothgar.png

Hrothgar can wear a good amount of helmets. Pretty much any helm that fully covers the face can be worn. Newer helms that show the face (like this DRG helm) also seem to be working more these days.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by reivaxe

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/imag...e-Hrothgar.png

Hrothgar can wear a good amount of helmets. Pretty much any helm that fully covers the face can be worn. Newer helms that show the face (like this DRG helm) also seem to be working more these days.

---

Sometimes, however, it's best if they can't wear them at all depending on the set. And that's almost every set with a helmet that's compatible. The helmet itself is usually about the size of a hyur, and they slap it on a bulky Hrothgar body. It just looks so...bad. The helm in that screenshot doesn't look too bad though. I've seen far worse scaling.

Was excited to open up the merchant screen to try on all the Island Sanctuary gear and i'm now absolutely pissed that I still can't wear the hat. So lazy of them. It's frustrating that the most profitable game Squenix has still can't find the time to let their races wear a single hat.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

That would still be preferred to having no headgear, since I could just remove the headgear to get my ears back.

---

It wouldn't. Keep trying to get headgear, but people shouldn't be accepting of the bare minimum implementation of said headgear. In my opinion.

Miqo'te are one thing, and their hats don't look good on them, but viera is another, as their ears are not only a customizable aspect, but a major feature of the race. You could AT LEAST try to pretend that the miqo'te's ears are just "tucked" in the helmet, but viera ears you can't. They are literally just cut off. Not a good look.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Angelerator

Was excited to open up the merchant screen to try on all the Island Sanctuary gear and i'm now absolutely pissed that I still can't wear the hat. So lazy of them. It's frustrating that the most profitable game Squenix has still can't find the time to let their races wear a single hat.

---

If it requires hat hair, probably not going to work for the foreseeable future. Not even cutting off ears will fix this, although with enough people in support, maybe they will just allow viera to not only not have ears, but be bald. They would get hats.

the hairstyles they gave us this turn are so dry & "safe", why do we need 2 sets of pigtails (3 in total) and that weird wet looking short one? why wont they just add the mog station hairs if we purchased them?
Why not roe hair 8 or an aura hair- something a bit more fitting for a viera
this game has some of the blandest hairstyles ive seen in an mmo
i feel like a hair contest would just more of the same. straight textured hairs with hime bangs

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by juicybug

the hairstyles they gave us this turn are so dry & "safe", why do we need 2 sets of pigtails (3 in total) and that weird wet looking short one? why wont they just add the mog station hairs if we purchased them?
Why not roe hair 8 or an aura hair- something a bit more fitting for a viera
this game has some of the blandest hairstyles ive seen in an mmo
i feel like a hair contest would just more of the same. straight textured hairs with hime bangs

---

Rather than being hand picked these base game styles are simply being added in order based on their file numbers in the game. I posted the list a couple times already. They aren't purposefully choosing dry, safe hairstyles - this is just the order they're naturally in and I assume they'll continue to be added in order starting with the basic ponytail in 5.3. The modern aesthetics styles are definitely being chosen based on popularity, however. They're adding two popular unlockable styles and one wild card with each patch.

I would let go of any wishes to get racial exclusive styles like Roe hair 8 or any au'ra hair. Each race has styles unique to them including Viera. The styles we're getting are the ones shared by all races.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by juicybug

the hairstyles they gave us this turn are so dry & "safe", why do we need 2 sets of pigtails (3 in total) and that weird wet looking short one? why wont they just add the mog station hairs if we purchased them?
Why not roe hair 8 or an aura hair- something a bit more fitting for a viera
this game has some of the blandest hairstyles ive seen in an mmo
i feel like a hair contest would just more of the same. straight textured hairs with hime bangs

---

The one you described as "that weird wet looking short one," is one of the most hideous styles in the game. Literally no one wears it (because it's awful) and I'm baffled as to why they would waste the resources adding it.

The recent patch is a great in my opinion. Just made a new Viera character with the new added hairstyle. I know that a lot of people wanted helmets and hats to be added, and they're adding them but I'm more happy on the fact that they're adding more hairstyles for both the Viera and Hrothgar.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

The one you described as "that weird wet looking short one," is one of the most hideous styles in the game. Literally no one wears it (because it's awful) and I'm baffled as to why they would waste the resources adding it.

---

Your subjective opinion, buddy.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Caro178

Imo these are not comparable problems. Viera aren't earless with new hairstyles and never needed to Fantasia just to change between a couple existing styles, they got a big update today with some unexpected things. This is a niche scenario in which people who play Viera should have the option to choose if they'll tolerate having their ears covered or not. I would rather have the choice than the choice be made for me by revoking all visibility of a piece of gear. People who want helmets should have the ability to use them even if it offers some compromises and I don't think it's fair to suggest that we have to take all or nothing. We all probably prioritize different things. For you headgear might be a big deal but to me it isn't. I'm heavily in the camp that cares about hair but could live without most headgear and not notice or experience any FOMO.

---

Same here bro/sis. I'm very used to the idea on not caring about helmets/hats in my opinion since I always hide them to show their hairstyle. I'm not saying that SE shouldn't start adding more helmets/hats since other people want them.