Should Cleric Stance be disabled in party instances?

@RiisWolf

The amount of toxic, presumptuous, aggressive, arrogant, and elitism in your comment just shows a level of bias towards Cleric Stance that there's no point to even reason with you at any juncture.

Look in a mirror. You're no better than the elitest raiders that demand their healer's use Cleric Stance at any and all junctures regardless of risk and the well being of the party.

If you want to have a serious conversation about telling people to be cautious about their Cleric Stance use and using it smartly, turn down the passive aggressive rhetoric and get off your high horse and actually have a discussion with merit about it. Not scream like a baby.

Again, the vast majority of players know when to use Cleric Stance, when NOT to use it, and strive towards balancing the two.

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Originally Posted by RiisWolf

Also you said you want quicker results. You don't get quicker results if you attack ONLY when the DPS doesn't suck. And because of this mob and people like you, that number of DPS who are still complacent, clueless and can't know how to do their best NEVER changed, while there's so many more healers playing pretend DPS just to feel special as they get into dungeons faster than the actual DPS. And some of us are getting real sick of it.

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I don't understand what you're even trying to argue. You're saying that good healers (the ones who use CS to deal damage while keeping the party alive) are keeping the DPS players shitty?

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Originally Posted by Rennies

I don't understand what you're even trying to argue. You're saying that good healers (the ones who use CS to deal damage while keeping the party alive) are keeping the DPS players shitty?

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That's exactly what he's saying, and he's going through phenomenal mental gymnastics to reach that conclusion.

They're arguing that good healers that contribute good DPS will make the real DPS of the game complacent because they feel they would just get carried through content via the healer's DPS contribution. Which isn't really the case because bad and lazy players will be bad and lazy regardless of what the good players do. And good DPS will complement good healer's by making content end significantly faster than normal. There's no such thing as "too much DPS" unless it causes auto-wipe triggers like it does in AAR EX Primals (which the Dev's seem to thankfully be omitting now).

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

They're arguing that good healers that contribute good DPS will make the real DPS of the game complacent because they feel they would just get carried through content via the healer's DPS contribution. Which isn't really the case because bad and lazy players will be bad and lazy regardless of what the good players do. And good DPS will complement good healer's by making content end significantly faster than normal. There's no such thing as "too much DPS" unless it causes auto-wipe triggers like it does in AAR EX Primals (which the Dev's seem to thankfully be omitting now).

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Exactly. It's tantamount to arguing that there is no point to anyone excelling in their role since overperforming players somehow encourage everyone else to underperform, and experience teaches me that, for the majority, this is not the case.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

Exactly. It's tantamount to arguing that there is no point to anyone excelling in their role since overperforming players somehow encourage everyone else to underperform, and experience teaches me that, for the majority, this is not the case.

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It's the equivalent of saying that Great Tanks make garbage healers.

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Originally Posted by RiisWolf

Also you said you want quicker results. You don't get quicker results if you attack ONLY when the DPS doesn't suck. And because of this mob and people like you, that number of DPS who are still complacent, clueless and can't know how to do their best NEVER changed, while there's so many more healers playing pretend DPS just to feel special as they get into dungeons faster than the actual DPS. And some of us are getting real sick of it.

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Only one meme can possible relay the sheer amount of mental gymnastics you've performed here.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...bf4b3ad6a7.jpg

None of us are impressed.

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

It's the equivalent of saying that Great Tanks make garbage healers.

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But would good DPS make bad Tanks?

The post by RiisWolf is so ass-backward that I only have one word to describe it, but I won't use it in fear of being banned. Hint: it starts with an R.

I would actually argue that the biggest influence roles have on one another is healers who only heal might cause tanks to become lax in CD use. But that's even a stretch.

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Originally Posted by RiisWolf

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Couldn't have said it better myself! I stand by the belief that the mere presence of CS leads dps players to play lazily.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

There's no such thing as "too much DPS" unless it causes auto-wipe triggers like it does in AAR EX Primals (which the Dev's seem to thankfully be omitting now).

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So you have the belief that SE should dumb content down further?

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Couldn't have said it better myself! I stand by the belief that the mere presence of CS leads dps players to play lazily.

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I'm getting the impression that you stopped actually reading most of the posts in this thread some time ago and swing by just to lob an odd comment into the fray.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

So you have the belief that SE should dumb content down further?

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Quite a strawman, there. I don't think many players would agree that mechanics that punished them for exceeding performance expectations were among SE's best design choices considering that most of the game rewards you for playing to the best of your ability.

Besides, someone in favor of marginalizing CS use probably shouldn't call others out on the topic of "dumbing down" the game.