You also have to take into account, if you lower a tanks HP, how will that affect the damage of the boss in relation to not only the tanks, but also the DPS/Healer. As an example, take a room ride AoE. If the tanks HP is similar to a DPS, and the roomwide is designed to take a significant chunk off of a DPS HP, the tank will also feel the same, and then have auto attacks, making it that much more dangerous, if a tanks HP is too high, raid wides won't pose a threat to a tank at all. there has to be some sort of balance.
Also, a tanks main stat is their vitality, of course it's going to be higher than their other stats, in the same way the damaging stats are going to be higher on a DPS.
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06-22-2020, 11:34 PMMikey_R
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06-23-2020, 12:23 AMPuremallace
You ask for a reason? Simple the community is extremely rude in the duty finder to new tanks. The mentality is rush, rush, rush pull the next large set of mobs. Have none of you noticed how they added literal doors to slow players down so that you do not pull the entire instance or are expected too? I have been in so many duty finders with these uber geared healers who will just run ahead of me and start pulling everything thinking they are godmode heals.
FF14 requires you to be extremely aware of your defensive CD's due to the rush, rush nature of the game. You also need to remember FF14 works wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy different from other MMO's. If I go into LFR WoW then I know I am getting the current raid and what bosses come along with tanking that content including defensive CDs, movement and boss abilities. In FF14 they throw 4 expansions worth of raids at you in no real order and if you screw up everyone blames you for not memorizing mechanics for 4 separate expansions and being up-to-date on those.
I think you would have to be certifiable to want to take on that responsibility. Tank seems to be the only role in FF14 right now where if you are not a full time tank then you will probably hate due to all the crud that comes along with it. God forbid if you a new tank because the community who have some that have been here since ARR seem to have extremely unrealistic expectations of tanks. Some have suggested that because aggro is so easy to maintain then the game should be flooded with tanks in Shadowbringers but guys this is not Wrath of the Lich King where they buffed tank aggro out of this world.
The responsibilities you get are no different then any other MMO I have played but the extremely unique thing is the sheer massive amount of raids you are required to memorize and stay current on and communities severe lack of patience with teaching a new tank mechanics on a fight they probably played through 100 times when it was current.
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06-23-2020, 01:28 AMKabooaDo you not see how you just described the current state of affairs? The tanks are currently so passively bloated that the only real danger to them are tank busters. Everything else scuffles them. Auto attacks and raid busters included.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey_R
This wouldn't be a discussion were it not for the push for tanks to have more damage, the amount of which varies by who you ask. The goal is to reach that compromise that fixes as many of the issues presented as we can.
Well, enjoy your victory.Quote:
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06-23-2020, 10:04 AMJuzjuzzSalty ppl complaining about bad players + bad players complaining about job they don't know very well. In the end they asked for "make things more easy for me pls", even if they didnt want it. Result : SE made sure aggro is not a problem anymore, and the dps rotations for tanks became easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puremallace
Tbh i don't think bad/new players complain out of nowhere, it's oten the result of "elitist" players or saly ppl telling then to "git gud" all the time lol.
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06-23-2020, 12:32 PMBarretOblivion...Quote:
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There are only a few fights where you actually need to use cooldowns in normal raid finder, and there you use... 1 cooldown cause the tankbusters hit so darn weak compared to savage where you need to just baarely plan out your cooldown timing. This paragraph shows somone making a complaint when they don't know much about tanking. Normal raids are a casual experience where you barely 'tank' in them.
Then on to your second point. You do realize right tanking is at about the same population even after most veteran tanks have left tanking due to the poor state that it's in right? Tanking this expansion is extremely casual friendly, and has a large influx of new tank players, with a large downturn of old veteran tank players leaving the role leaving us with an overall quality of good tanks playing right now. The reason there is no influx of tanks is... as if you actually read these forums, tanking SUUUUCKS right now with them gutting every tank into being the same almost copy pasted 3 times. The complexity of tanking is gone. Thsu the enjoyment is gone. -
06-23-2020, 03:00 PMQuintessa
I have to disagree. I enjoy tanking a lot and I don't feel it sucks. It's other players that can ruin the experience.
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06-23-2020, 03:11 PMMithiaNormal raid finder is easy for all classes, like, ALL classes. You can auto-attack and still kill the boss without any issue. This isn't about easy for tanks, this is easy content for anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by BarretOblivion
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I'd like to see the numbers on that chief, but I hardly doubt you can provide them since it's only what you experience. What I see, is that PF these days easily fills up on tanks. If you look at group finder channels you can see that there are tanks in abundance as well, too many for the number of groups out there.
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06-24-2020, 01:22 AMBarretOblivionIm going to go baised off of 7 different groups I have joined this expansion who were looking for a 'good tank' because either one of them quite or swapped roles due to complaints about tanking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mithia
Also where do you get the 'removed stance dancing part'? I never mentioned that. Its the fact 3/4 Tanks Are Nearly Identical Copy/Paste Jobs you know... the BIGGEST complaint on these forums with the fact that what they copy/pasted is WAR or PLD with slight change to give them 'identity'. -
06-24-2020, 02:29 AMHeulGDarianIts always someone elses fault, yes ofc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quintessa
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06-24-2020, 02:43 AMHeulGDarianK heres something that Will blow your mind. Asking someone Who has 480 gear and 3 tanks leveled to max along with such a healer to pull more isnt elitist, if you dont feel like hitting your godamn fcking cooldown should we ask SE to remove that as well? Fck it we removed aggro cause poor yous couldnt stand be asked to keep your aggro lets fcking go ahead and make Who ever has a tank stance invuln to dmg, its ff14 community nobody gives a shit to be challenged and it looks like pulling mobs is too challenging for them. You call someone asking you to play your job elitist scum, not someone Who told you you suck at it nor someone Who berated you for the dps, Just someone Who told you your ilvl is enough to pull 3 more mobs and hit an additional button other than 1 2 aoe combo. Fcking hell fck fck fck fuuuuck, i swear to god a New players not knowing stuff can learn they can pull 1 group at a time, a healer Who is new can ask to slow down and learn, but you cant be hiding your tail behind im learning forever when you got 300+ hours of experience and dismissing everyones plead to Use 1 button as fcking elitist scum that ruin the godamn game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juzjuzz