#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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Originally Posted by WeakestZenosEnjoyer

Please watch the footage, this guy adds Nascent Flash to his hotbar manually mid-fight. One guy hits two vuln stacks before finally dying after missing a third mech on the last boss. Standing in bad if you will. In the first boss the Ninja face tanks a mechanic and faces no punishment (no they didn't even use the NIN personal shield).

If this is top end gameplay then I'm basically an Ultimate raider myself.

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I watched it... And everyone is conviently glossing over that there was a Red Mage, who's dual casting vercure potency has ALWAYS been op since it released. And they were playing MONTHS OLD test build.... NOTHING in that dungeon potency wise may be that way come launch, its likely those dungeon mobs could be adjusted and hit harder.
While I agree that healer kits need adjustment for more dps, this weeping and gnashing of teeth is going to accomplish nothing. Why? There are far more ALL AROUNDERS who play EVERYTHING and have 3 main jobs that will happily step up and fill in any "striking" healer. Not to mention enough people will be competent enough to pick up healer jobs and learn them, coupled with the Trust system, sorry guys your healer strike will DO NOTHING. Once you leave out of this forum and go into other areas where FFXIV is discussed INCLUDING IN GAME, the vast majority of healers are not going to strike at all.

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Originally Posted by TheDustyOne

I'm reminded of this thread from 2019 when ShB was new.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...e-quit-healing

You'll see a few familiar faces there, but notice the amount of people saying they're quitting healing that also just don't show up anymore. People have quit, and that still doesn't tell Square something. Telling people to unsub doesn't help because Square won't always know why people are quitting.

A mass of people swapping will tell just as much that healers are unfun without them also losing out on the things they do enjoy.

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Then that thread wasn't big enough to matter. Look at it, 100 pages of posts across 3 and half years.

This one 400 pages in 2 weeks. This thread clearly has traction, it just doesn't have the right message that's powerful enough.

You notice the healer forum contracting all the time

In SB and ShB I used to be dozens of people coming in and out and discussing openly, these days it’s basically the same 5 people who still haven’t given up soapboxing or just enjoying arguing (I’m one of these)

People are abandoning the role, unless you think the entire games collective healer role is me aravell, Ty, forsaken, Reiner and our army of alts

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Originally Posted by KitiaraIornsight

I watched it... And everyone is conviently glossing over that there was a Red Mage, who's dual casting vercure potency has ALWAYS been op since it released. And they were playing MONTHS OLD test build.... NOTHING in that dungeon potency wise may be that way come launch, its likely those dungeon mobs could be adjusted and hit harder.
While I agree that healer kits need adjustment for more dps, this weeping and gnashing of teeth is going to accomplish nothing. Why? There are far more ALL AROUNDERS who play EVERYTHING and have 3 main jobs that will happily step up and fill in any "striking" healer. Not to mention enough people will be competent enough to pick up healer jobs and learn them, coupled with the Trust system, sorry guys your healer strike will DO NOTHING. Once you leave out of this forum and go into other areas where FFXIV is discussed INCLUDING IN GAME, the vast majority of healers are not going to strike at all.

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Notice even by your own implication Omni mains don’t pick healer first, they fill it out of necessity

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Originally Posted by Naple

Then I don't see this strike having much weight at all. If you're really passionate about wanting said healer changes, then something's gotta give. That means you sacrificing your means of playing FF14. Otherwise you'll have to deal with no fundamental changes for a long LONG time. The proposed healer changes in the OP are not only a healer change, but a change to overall battle content and reward structure design as well. It would be an absolutely massive undertaking for SE to properly redesign under the conditions set forth by OP.

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Nah it'll send a message remember that the development team has begged people to try healer before when there was a lack of healers. If healer mains start playing other roles the begging will come back.

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Originally Posted by Naple

Then I don't see this strike having much weight at all. If you're really passionate about wanting said healer changes, then something's gotta give. That means you sacrificing your means of playing FF14. Otherwise you'll have to deal with no fundamental changes for a long LONG time. The proposed healer changes in the OP are not only a healer change, but a change to overall battle content and reward structure design as well. It would be an absolutely massive undertaking for SE to properly redesign under the conditions set forth by OP.

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The "give" is that we're not playing a Healer role - which is going to be in high demand in a week and change. You'll still have Healers, but they may not be that good depending on the skill level of your healer. Let alone, it's not the first time we've had instant changes in a whole patch. Warrior is the only job that has gotten ability changes mid-expansion, namely to Shake it Off. PLD got reworked to fit the WAR paradigm that has cannibalized everything a Tank represents. If they're going to change anything? They need to start with healers since they've been hurt the most by the changes since Shadowbringers.

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Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima

The "give" is that we're not playing a Healer role - which is going to be in high demand in a week and change. You'll still have Healers, but they may not be that good depending on the skill level of your healer. Let alone, it's not the first time we've had instant changes in a whole patch. Warrior is the only job that has gotten ability changes mid-expansion, namely to Shake it Off. PLD got reworked to fit the WAR paradigm that has cannibalized everything a Tank represents. If they're going to change anything? They need to start with healers since they've been hurt the most by the changes since Shadowbringers.

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A bit off topic but god damn DRK has suffered so hard, the MP gen looks fcked now. It also lacking much self healing is going to be extremely noticeable we might see DRK popping rampart just for the hp recovery boost for draining in stuff like criterion.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

You notice the healer forum contracting all the time

In SB and ShB I used to be dozens of people coming in and out and discussing openly, these days it’s basically the same 5 people who still haven’t given up soapboxing or just enjoying arguing (I’m one of these)

People are abandoning the role, unless you think the entire games collective healer role is me aravell, Ty, forsaken, Reiner and our army of alts



Notice even by your own implication Omni mains don’t pick healer first, they fill it out of necessity

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uh no, you are wrong, I know a ton of healer mains. They aren't going to strike. I've been playing this game since beta. We have a massive influx of new players from xbox, returning players from breaks. There will be plenty of healers in the game as always. People are not abandoning the role at the rate you claim, if that was the case there would be issues period getting in to all content for both tanks AND dps and that's not the case, queue times for content are unchanged.

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Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima

The "give" is that we're not playing a Healer role - which is going to be in high demand in a week and change. You'll still have Healers, but they may not be that good depending on the skill level of your healer. Let alone, it's not the first time we've had instant changes in a whole patch. Warrior is the only job that has gotten ability changes mid-expansion, namely to Shake it Off. PLD got reworked to fit the WAR paradigm that has cannibalized everything a Tank represents. If they're going to change anything? They need to start with healers since they've been hurt the most by the changes since Shadowbringers.

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Actually that’s not quite true

SCH got in patch ability changes

It got nerfed

You know the thing WAR mains would rather burn the game down than get done to them

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Originally Posted by KitiaraIornsight

uh no, you are wrong, I know a ton of healer mains. They aren't going to strike. I've been playing this game since beta. We have a massive influx of new players from xbox, returning players from breaks. There will be plenty of healers in the game as always. People are not abandoning the role at the rate you claim, if that was the case there would be issues period getting in to all content for both tanks AND dps and that's not the case, queue times for content are unchanged.

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That’s not the point I was making

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Originally Posted by KitiaraIornsight

I watched it... And everyone is conviently glossing over that there was a Red Mage, who's dual casting vercure potency has ALWAYS been op since it released. And they were playing MONTHS OLD test build.... NOTHING in that dungeon potency wise may be that way come launch, its likely those dungeon mobs could be adjusted and hit harder.
While I agree that healer kits need adjustment for more dps, this weeping and gnashing of teeth is going to accomplish nothing. Why? There are far more ALL AROUNDERS who play EVERYTHING and have 3 main jobs that will happily step up and fill in any "striking" healer. Not to mention enough people will be competent enough to pick up healer jobs and learn them, coupled with the Trust system, sorry guys your healer strike will DO NOTHING. Once you leave out of this forum and go into other areas where FFXIV is discussed INCLUDING IN GAME, the vast majority of healers are not going to strike at all.

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What I truly don't understand is people being so insistent on telling these healers that what they are trying won't achieve anything. It's honestly comical. Why? Why do you feel the need to come in here and say this? How does a small portion of healers qutting playing affect you? It probably doesn't right so why bother to bother them? They have been ignored for YEARS and they've had enough, let them try something new, see if it works. If it does great! If it doesn't? Well at least they tried something and it'll be clear the devs don't care because there's no way they haven't heard about it. Just leave these people be.

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Originally Posted by KitiaraIornsight

uh no, you are wrong, I know a ton of healer mains. They aren't going to strike. I've been playing this game since beta. We have a massive influx of new players from xbox, returning players from breaks. There will be plenty of healers in the game as always. People are not abandoning the role at the rate you claim, if that was the case there would be issues period getting in to all content for both tanks AND dps and that's not the case, queue times for content are unchanged.

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Good because I am going DPS this time after years leveling my healers