Pronouns???

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Originally Posted by Andy_T93

Firstly that wouldn't be irony it would be hypocrisy, Secondly, and I cannot stress this enough, a persons gender Identify is NOT political just because politicians believe they have the right to discuss it and decide what rights people can and can't have does not make it political, is being black Political? is being a woman political?

Secondly you do NOT get to disagree about this, again just like you don't get to disagree with equal rights for women, or black people or gay people etc. Trans people exist and they deserve equal representation if you disagree with that statement are an awful person there is no debate around that.

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Personal gender identity is a personal problem when your gender identity does not align with your biological sex. This is reality. You can scream at those who "refuse to accept you as what you are" but the truth of the matter is that from their perspective it is you who is refusing to accept what you are. Get real. Gender dysphoria is a condition that needs to be treated and the current official way of treating it is by giving people hormones in the hopes that their imagination will one day become a reality.

If we want to make an adequate comparison between trans and black people then we need to use the following example:
A black person claims they are white. Society does not want to accept him as white, black person is now sulking that they are not being accepted for who they think they are.

This is more similar to what trans are actually doing to societies. They are not so much about sexuality like gay people, it's more about wanting society to adapt to every weird fantasy they have about themselves.

And lastly, as far as I know not all gay people want to associate themselves with trans even though both are part of the LGBTQ+ thing.

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Originally Posted by Wilford111

EDIT: Sigh I'm really unhappy with the short answer, so here's a concise list of points:
1. It takes me out of the immersion to remind me about the culture war happening irl.
2. It's not necessary to add since you can pick your in-game gender anyway, unlike irl where you can't (among a host of other things - see long answer).
3. Implementation would be indication of SE supporting this kind of coddling behavior, which isn't a good thing.

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Yet again, the question has not been answered.

1. You fail to explain how someone selecting an option to have STORY dialogue refer to someone as "they" or a different pronoun effects you, someone who would not select such an option. You do not see other characters story dialogue, story is a SOLO experience. So there is no "culture war" going on here.

2. First off, there is no option for they/them so those wanting this in story do not have the option. Secondly, people may decide to choose one character model, but wish for it to be referred to by a different pronoun within the STORY dialogue. My character will never be referred to as she/her in story, even though most other players will refer to me as such.

3. Not too sure what the point of this last one is. Are you saying that trans and non-binary shouldn't have the ability to express themselves in private? And that allowing such a thing is "Coddling"? Again this does not affect you, if you don't like different pronouns don't select the option.

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Originally Posted by Abbie_

unfortunately trans people are frequently not allowed to be who they are in real life, and that's why this feature should be added, so that they can at least be themselves in a video game.

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To be frank it is not so much about allowed more so a lack of validation and acceptance by the general masses. Which unfortunately are personal issues, as such like other movements people will have to speak up and deal with the general lack of acceptance. With time it will become more accepted.

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Originally Posted by Awha

To be frank it is not so much about allowed more so a lack of validation and acceptance by the general masses. Which unfortunately are personal issues, as such like other movements people will have to speak up and deal with the general lack of acceptance. With time it will become more accepted.

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I really doubt that societies will adapt to trans people. What they are essentially doing is tearing down useful social constructs that have lasted for millenniums. The problems they bring to societies don't really help the society in any way, it only causes more problems.

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

they
/ðeɪ/
pronoun
pronoun: they

1 - used to refer to two or more people or things previously mentioned or easily identified.
"the two men could get life sentences if they are convicted"

people in general.
"the rest, as they say, is history"

people in authority regarded collectively.
"they cut my water off"

2 - used to refer to a person of unspecified gender.
"ask a friend if they could help"

used to refer to a person whose gender or sexual identity does not correspond to the traditional binary opposition of male and female.
"Asher thought they were the only non-binary person at school until a couple of weeks ago"


Definitions from Oxford Languages

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Sigh that's just Oxford pandering them.

That's "recent" addition, not the real meaning of the word . So taking a word and inserting your (not your, in general) own agenda on it. GG

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Originally Posted by DBriggs304

Nah. Keep it in the real world. There's nothing that needs to be added that regular game role play won't solve. It doesn't need to go beyond that.

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How dare someone want to express themselves in ROLE PLAYING game where you play a ROLE of your choosing. I'm sorry that people existing in the real world hurts your feelings to the point you have to beg them to not exist in a fantasy world where you can choose to not interact with them, or even black list them, if you want nothing to do them.

Fantasy setting =/= everything and anything goes. They have defined lore, rules etc. Modifying it just to fit an agenda and reflect RL "issues" that don't exist in the setting isn't going to sit well with a lot of people...

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Originally Posted by Brandedblade

How dare someone want to express themselves in ROLE PLAYING game where you play a ROLE of your choosing. I'm sorry that people existing in the real world hurts your feelings to the point you have to beg them to not exist in a fantasy world where you can choose to not interact with them, or even black list them, if you want nothing to do them.

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Express yourselves in role play...like I said. No one cares about the real world in a fantasy world. That's the point of it being a fantasy.

No one said anything about blacklisting or not wanting to have anything to do with this or that person...that was your own drama projecting.

It wouldn't bother me. If it helps people enjoy the game more, that's great. It's harmless and doesn't hurt me at all.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

... Homophobia. ...

So if we look at it just really rational, there is not much time for one to think about gender or such stuff. Neither is there much acceptance for people which are different. Just look at the tonberry questline. Gay couple which says they feel with the tonberrys since they know how it feels to be unwanted by society.

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I just want to pop in to say that the emphasis was put on the interracial nature of the Wanderer's Palace couple's relationship, not the homosexuality.

Not Easy Being Green: "... This fellow is Hyuran and I am Miqo'te; are we lesser a couple for our difference? I should think not!" "My dearest and I know their pain all too well. We both had to leave our birthplace. Why, you ask? Simply because we were different."