The problem isn't people who aren't willing to work hard. The problem is the difficulty in finding seven other people who are willing to work hard with you on a regular basis, and at a time that works with your schedule.Quote:
The crazy amount of excuses coming from people who don't try hard enough are the problem here.
The ONLY real difficulty in this game is finding other people who can keep up.
You're right that this problem for Coil2 will be alleviated when 2.4 rolls around, but then we'll be right back in the same spot when talking about Coil3. There will be tons of properly geared players who want to dive in and start learning, but they'll be walled off because they won't be able to find seven other people who can run with them at certain specific times each week.
A story mode (with minimal dev time, all things considered) would solve that problem. All that time taken to develop Coil3 would suddenly be much more worthwhile. Seems like a no-brainer.
It's about time to add Coil story mode, isn't it ?
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10-01-2014, 01:47 AMThayos
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10-01-2014, 01:49 AMGardesHumm, I dunno, how about this one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuwagami
T9's still under lock out and i remember seeing t5 buys going for a lot more than 700k (and i doubt the price difference is that large between legacies), so I'm not sure why t9 costing 35 mil right now is any relevant, unless it's personally relevant to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuwagami
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10-01-2014, 01:53 AMTiggyFind a guild, and make friends. In my guild if we jump up and say "Hey guys, we are trying to get <insert players name here> a t5 win since they still don't have. Who can help?" we always get a full party together. Always. It's not that I'm lucky to be in a good guild. We've cultivated a good guild through hard work and effort. I've done hundreds of fights I didn't need just to help foster a helpful community. When I help someone they will be there to help me and so the cycle repeats itself. We talk to people and get to know them. You know. Community building. Something many people utterly fail to do and then surprise they can't find people to help them. This is an MMORPG. A traditionally social game style and yet people play it in a non social manner so that they don't have a community support structure in place. This is the players fault for failing to make friends and to help cultivate a friendly and helpful environment. Then the come to the forums complaining they have no one to help them and want a nerf to the fight instead. It's an excuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thayos
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10-01-2014, 01:55 AMThayosYou're completely missing what I'm saying. I'll explain.Quote:
Find a guild, and make friends.
I'm in a great guild, and have lots of in-game friends. My FC has a couple of coil statics going already.
The problem is, completion lockouts prevent the FC from really helping people through coil, because those statics are already set and people already have their weekly wins. Once they win, they can't go back and help other FC members like myself. That's where a story mode would help.
As for my in-game friends, the same problem exists. Many of them are in coil statics, and they can't help, either.
I've tried several times forming coil statics in linkshells, but completion lockouts have always succeeding in tearing those groups apart. Members get wins with other groups, then can't run with us, and eventually they just leave. This isn't a result of me failing to try, but of SE's puzzling decisions regarding lockouts and community infrastructure. -
10-01-2014, 01:57 AMZeke_AndersonYou saw what they did with 9 months for housing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Thayos
To think this would take little time really is funny.
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10-01-2014, 02:00 AMThayosClearly, you didn't read what I'm actually asking for.Quote:
Also I ask if this was a single player game with a fight you cannot pass would you be on the forums crying for further nerf?
I'm not asking for a nerf. I'm just asking for a repeatable mode with no loot.
And single-player games don't require finding seven other people to play the game with you (and be as knowledgeable as you) in order to win... so not even sure where you're going with that.
As for personal housing, do you honestly think SE spent nine months doing that? If so, I've got a bridge to sell you.
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Zeke, I think what's confusing you is there are two distinct groups of people who want a story mode. There are people who want a nerfed story mode, and people who want an un-nerfed story mode (like myself). You should be careful not to confuse these two groups, because I'm just as much against nerfing coil as you are.
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Also, Twiggy, I respect your views about not wanting to waste an additional minute of dev time on this, especially considering that all of coil will be old news when the expansion hits next year. However, I certainly hope SE keeps this feedback in mind when developing future content. It just seems pretty pointless to limit participation to those who are fortunate enough to form statics. It should be easy for members of social groups (FCs and LSs) to help each other through this content. This is, as you said, an MMO! Community should be king... right now, it's pretty pointless. -
10-01-2014, 02:07 AMKuwagamiI'll guess (and I sure hope I'm wrong) that you quoted me for the sake of countering rather than to add anything relevant. I'll do it again here :Quote:
Originally Posted by Gardes
what the thread (you can read it in OP) is about is adding story mode to allow anyone to have access to relevant storyline gated behind the coil. This, for the moment, would apply to T1-5 because... well, T6-9 are still relevant so no point I guess.
Once these aren't relevant anymore (in one month, and maybe a few more time, so around 2.45 (?) to allow the echo farm to decrease a bit), give a story version of them so that people may enjoy the 2nd part of the story in 3 parts.
Then once T10-14ish is no longer relevant, do it story mode to see the end.
Now on the comment you quoted : Some people were assuming I was trolling because I had beaten T5 and "asked for hand out T5 version", which was both a bad guess and a total misunderstanding of the OP. So I answered on the specific T5 to answer them. It is irrelevant to OP beside the point that I wouldn't need a story mode on T5 for myself.
As for the cost of a T9 merc run, I was merely answering to someone "offering" merc services for the story. I have no opinion on merc runs, but they shouldn't be the only option for story. 700k for T5's story (as the example given) already sounds stupid. The T9 example was only to show how stupid it sounds to buy a merc run for the story considering the stupidly high prices for the game's economy.
I couldn't care less about merc prices now or in 1 year for current content. I do not depend on them to go on. -
10-01-2014, 02:11 AMLegendWaitWrong, the savage coil was the initial version of the second coil, they realised it was impossible to complete with 2.1 gear so they tuned down the difficulty. They already had savage coil ready when people started to ask for a more difficult endgame dongeon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exstal
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10-01-2014, 02:15 AMAirikayT9 is easy you just go pewpewpew and the T9 boss goes gaaaaaarghhhhhQuote:
Originally Posted by scarebearz
On topic I think adding a new coil for story mode is stupid. If anything just do hpw WoW does it and unlock cutscenes for all from a npc after first on server clears it. -
10-01-2014, 02:16 AMTsuwu
This is still a discussion, though?
Honestly, and I'm not just being "elite-ist" or insensitive, but...
This content was designed to be cleared by basically i80 characters with no Echo.
It now takes 0 effort beyond facerolling trivial content like ST to be i100 at least.
Then, slap on 20% echo, and you're about equal to 150% of the strength SE designed the fight for.
Assuming even sub-optimal playing with a less than ideal configuration, this should still steamroll this content already.
There are only 2 real barriers: Divebombs and Twisters. Both of which are very easy mechanics to survive using very simple systems SE furnishes. Just pay attention to massive tells with generous time windows, react in a slightly timely manner, and you can keep going.
Doesn't anyone want to fight for anything anymore?
Why is it everything in the modern gaming world has to have a version with the proverbial "bowling gutter bumpers"?
As someone in this thread said earlier, just practice instead of trying to petition every bit of content into the equivalent of a trash Marmot with a different character model, and you will be amazed how lovely this game can be at endgame.