Binding Coil of Bahamut Discussion

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Originally Posted by carraway

Binding Coil of Bahamut (大迷宮バハムート): Turn 4 Complete

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All we can say is -- that fight is tuned to absolute perfection with ilvl 80 weapons and ilvl 70 gear (and some Holy Shields +1).

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Congrats from Modified.

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Originally Posted by thalane

So is there any european guild that is progressing the Coil at the moment?
I gave this topic a quick look but it doesn't seem like there's one. Just wondering if we are the first one to kill Titan (hard) with this shitty ping of 130ms :/

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My ping from southern California to Excalibur is regularly 150-200ms and we have 5 Europeans, 1 Australian, and 1 player living in Japan among our players attuned for Coil.

No iLevel 90 gear.
No crafted gear.
Players in half 60 greens.
No relic +1's.
Non-legacy.

Still possible, but that room SERIOUSLY can go die.

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Sick work, grats.

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Originally Posted by carraway

Sick work, grats.

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Danke -- I could do without ever seeing that room again.

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Originally Posted by Xilrasis

Danke -- I could do without ever seeing that room again.

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Gotta do it again in two days!

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Originally Posted by carraway

Gotta do it again in two days!

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At least we will have Relic +1's then.

Should make it substantially easier.

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Originally Posted by thalane

So is there any european guild that is progressing the Coil at the moment?
I gave this topic a quick look but it doesn't seem like there's one. Just wondering if we are the first one to kill Titan (hard) with this shitty ping of 130ms :/

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We are progressing in turn 4 currently.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-Server-First

Congrats Next Level and Modified. Well done. :)

you have to know that they may be Legacy Players, which meant that they probably didn't have to go through the whole leveling process. And then there is that possibility that some, if not all of them, has acquired Darklight gears in v1.0. If that's the case, then they also didn't have to acquire all that many gears to meet the entrance requirement like the most of us would have to :).

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Originally Posted by Mitholas

you have to know that they may be Legacy Players, which meant that they probably didn't have to go through the whole leveling process. And then there is that possibility that some, if not all of them, has acquired Darklight gears in v1.0. If that's the case, then they also didn't have to acquire all that many gears to meet the entrance requirement like the most of us would have to :).

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Modified is non-legacy.

My question is this I'm a non legacy player currently gearing up and have quite a few dark light pieces but should I be rocking full dark light to do binding coil?

Darklight + Amdapor Greens are fine for the early Turns. The last two you are going to want close to full Darklight for.

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Originally Posted by Eronn

Darklight + Amdapor Greens are fine for the early Turns. The last two you are going to want full Darklight for.

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HOW DOES ONE SIMPLY BEAT TURN 4? Seriously how? We can't seem to figure out a working strat for it. We beated the first turns in ease but turn 4 is just a nightmare. Would you guys mind sharing what worked for you best?

I've seen now the horrors of Turn 4 ._. Not excited beating my head against it all night tomorrow

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Originally Posted by Undomiel

HOW DOES ONE SIMPLY BEAT TURN 4? Seriously how? We can't seem to figure out a working strat for it. We beated the first turns in ease but turn 4 is just a nightmare. Would you guys mind sharing what worked for you best?

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It's a pure numbers game when it comes down to it. Different groups will need to adapt in different ways, and it really depends on your available job selection.

Thanks for the info. I just want I ifrits bow to drop and I will be ready then

How many bosses that drop gear are in each turn

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Originally Posted by Burritoboy

How many bosses that drop gear are in each turn

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1

/atleast10chars

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Originally Posted by Xilrasis

No iLevel 90 gear.
No crafted gear.
Players in half 60 greens.
No relic +1's.
Non-legacy.

Still possible, but that room SERIOUSLY can go die.

http://i.imgur.com/m4n2BGj.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/W9r9Mhb.png
End Game PvE Progression Company
www.modifiedcompany.com

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grats! What do you guys think of Summoner in the Coil? what do you generally have your Summoner do? Does he stay on the boss most of the time or does he try t burst adds down as well? :)

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Originally Posted by Xilrasis

No iLevel 90 gear.
No crafted gear.
Players in half 60 greens.
No relic +1's.
Non-legacy.

Still possible, but that room SERIOUSLY can go die.

http://i.imgur.com/m4n2BGj.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/W9r9Mhb.png
End Game PvE Progression Company
www.modifiedcompany.com

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May you be kind enough to post the stats of the BARDS like ACC crit and attack power

We used a BRD in Turn 4 with 4 DL pieces, 7 Toxotes pieces, and Artemis Bow, totaling 421 dex, 500 acc, 424 crit, 234 det, and 394 skill speed.

What is Order of the Blue Garter ? That a FC ?

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Originally Posted by Kyoreore

What is Order of the Blue Garter ? That a FC ?

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Yes, they are a Legacy FC.

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Originally Posted by carraway

We used a BRD in Turn 4 with 4 DL pieces, 7 Toxotes pieces, and Artemis Bow, totaling 421 dex, 500 acc, 424 crit, 234 det, and 394 skill speed.

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Thank you and the dps was just fine?

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Originally Posted by carraway

We used a BRD in Turn 4 with 4 DL pieces, 7 Toxotes pieces, and Artemis Bow, totaling 421 dex, 500 acc, 424 crit, 234 det, and 394 skill speed.

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jebus, why would you gear for 500 acc

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Originally Posted by Anonydort

jebus, why would you gear for 500 acc

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Almost all of the BRD DL and ilvl 60 items have ACC on them, its not about gearing for 500 ACC its about getting it because of bad itemization.

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Originally Posted by Burritoboy

Thank you and the dps was just fine?

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Our BRDs consistently parse very well throughout all of Coil (we've cleared Turns 1-4, working on 5.)

Obviously the damage meters aren't flawless, but giving some perspective. Their raid utility is incredible as well. 1 BRD feels relatively mandatory, 2 BRD is (often) worth it.

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Originally Posted by Nemhy

grats! What do you guys think of Summoner in the Coil? what do you generally have your Summoner do? Does he stay on the boss most of the time or does he try t burst adds down as well? :)

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We haven't run a SMN as much as Modified, but we think they're quite strong. They're a contender for top single target DPS. In Coil what you attack varies by Turn, but sometimes the opportunity for multi-dotting is strong, and other times the amount of damage you can do to a high hp mob (one that's up for a bit, you get some time on it) is very very good.

On top of that, Eye for an Eye (with the reduced cooldown) and in-combat res are powerful raid utility. From our perspective an SMN isn't mandatory, but is a very solid choice for one of the DPS slots for sure.

Just out of curiosity im wondering how effective if crit for scholar as in with the top or close to top gear can they crit most of the time for their single target heal? Im curious because it would seem that if they can reliably crit then they would probably be the best tank healers since it would seem white mage is a better raid healer but that just my guess and im curious how its playing out in coil?

I haven't done any research into stat priorities so I'm not able to give an informed answer. For SCH though a big factor to determine the weight of crit is going to be the absorb shield mechanic. I'm not sure how much healing is from a shield and if shields can have "critical amounts" of aborb, or if the shield absorb is based off the initial spell criting.

Will be interesting to find out though!

In general our healing strategy in coil has been pretty loose. It's less about tank/raid healing and more about who is dealing with what mechanics. Some fights are two tank, we may each favor a tank. One tank may be taking more damage, the healer not on that tank may do more raid offhealing or assist on the main tank.

Most importantly you need good teamwork. Avoid healing over one another and for important healing moments make sure both healers know how to contribute.

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Originally Posted by Penguin

Almost all of the BRD DL and ilvl 60 items have ACC on them, its not about gearing for 500 ACC its about getting it because of bad itemization.

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true, some of the DL pieces are pretty awful, like the gloves. but they could always wear a lower level item with more appropriate stats, gotta know how to gear

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Originally Posted by Anonydort

true, some of the DL pieces are pretty awful, like the gloves. but they could always wear a lower level item with more appropriate stats, gotta know how to gear

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Primary stats are extremely powerful, so dropping some DEX, Acc, lower crit/skillspeed/vit cap's for more optimized pieces is often not worth it, if ever worth it.

Ideally the only case where dropping primary STR, DEX, INT for a damage dealer would be worth it is if you need to drop it for Accuracy, since missing combo's is a horrendous DPS loss.

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Originally Posted by Bill

I haven't done any research into stat priorities so I'm not able to give an informed answer. For SCH though a big factor to determine the weight of crit is going to be the absorb shield mechanic. I'm not sure how much healing is from a shield and if shields can have "critical amounts" of aborb, or if the shield absorb is based off the initial spell criting.

Will be interesting to find out though!

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The shield is basically the same amount as the heal. Unless it crits, in which case the Shield will be double. So a 500 Heal, 500 Shield. 750 Heal crit, 1500 Shield. The efficiency of it isn't all that great unless it crits as well.

Then crit sounds amazing for SCH and indeed they'd be well suited for tank healing.

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Originally Posted by Bill

Then crit sounds amazing for SCH and indeed they'd be well suited for tank healing.

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Yeah, which is why i'm saddened that DL has so little of it.

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Originally Posted by ejiboo

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Gotta get only that bling bro !

Turn 3 Hidden Boss To Be Continued

So I'm just wondering... does the Coil of Bahamut progress the story in any way, shape, or form. Like do you have an idea as to how/why Bahamut was thrown into this labyrinth?