Arcanist and Summoner artwork

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Originally Posted by Rannie

so basically you're saying that because there were people who didn't like the game and didn't play it when it first came out and jumped onto the bandwagon (which is what Yoshida is wanting) after it's relaunched to be forced to "unlock" a class that isn't an advanced class that was no mention of it being an advanced class. And the reason why you need it to unlock the job summoner. Or even punish us because we've played the game since launch and complained about wanting a pet class or a new mage class since it's out of balance to begin with. All because carby may or may not be the first thing you get when you equip a book? I can see them waiting for a certain level then giving your carby like the do with cure on con but to force you to unlock it no it's never going to happen. they haven't done that for any of the classes they've done that for jobs

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Your taking what I'm saying out of context. Let me break this down...


CLASS > JOB.

Arcanist being a CLASS, but not like the normal SEVEN CLASSES. It is an ADVANCED CLASS and therefor is unlocked. Same with musketeer or whatever the other new class will be.

So I am saying you have your normal 7 classes to pick from when you create a character. To get the new two that will be added in ARR, you need to do a quest of some level - 10, 15, 20, 30, whatever it maybe, and then its unlocked and your free to level. Heck, even if the quest is level 10, then it gives you the weathered book. HELL. Even a level ONE quest to give you the book rather then it being "Oh go buy this for 1315 gil!" would be better.

TL;DR - Just add it so you need to do a freaking quest to get the first weapon to level it. After that I could give a flying... *AHEM* anyway, I don't care about it being normal then. That way, further weapons are crafted(And are "Requires level #/##" to use, but you needed to do the first quest to get the level 1 weapon.)

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Originally Posted by Renala

Your taking what I'm saying out of context. Let me break this down...


CLASS > JOB.

Arcanist being a CLASS, but not like the normal SEVEN CLASSES. It is an ADVANCED CLASS and therefor is unlocked. Same with musketeer or whatever the other new class will be.

So I am saying you have your normal 7 classes to pick from when you create a character. To get the new two that will be added in ARR, you need to do a quest of some level - 10, 15, 20, 30, whatever it maybe, and then its unlocked and your free to level. Heck, even if the quest is level 10, then it gives you the weathered book. HELL. Even a level ONE quest to give you the book rather then it being "Oh go buy this for 1315 gil!" would be better.

TL;DR - Just add it so you need to do a freaking quest to get the first weapon to level it. After that I could give a flying... *AHEM* anyway, I don't care about it being normal then. That way, further weapons are crafted(And are "Requires level #/##" to use, but you needed to do the first quest to get the level 1 weapon.)

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No I know what you're saying. No need to break it down ^_^. You're not understanding me. There is no advance classes that is what the jobs are. Where does Yoshida say that arcanist is an "advanced" Class? Why even bother adding in more crap like that when that's what the lvl 30 job quests are for? That's what I'm saying

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Originally Posted by Rannie

No I know what you're saying. No need to break it down ^_^. You're not understanding me. There is no advance classes that is what the jobs are. Where does Yoshida say that arcanist is an "advanced" Class? Why even bother adding in more crap like that when that's what the lvl 30 job quests are for? That's what I'm saying

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He doesn't say it anywhere as far as I know. I am just saying. That's what I want, and that's how I'd view the two new classes as. The old seven are the base ones, any further are "unlocked" per say by a simple quest.

Let's see if Arcanist retains any of its "planned" spells, like the HP/MP/TP regen spell etc -- If so SCH still could branch off from it in the future since the XI iteration of SCH based on storyline, they're also very well versed in weather magic as well as concealing and utilizing trap style magic (i.e Paralyze/Blind/Silence tubes which players later gained access to via AN.)

If summoning comes from Arcanist, being well versed in other temporal and geological magic isn't out of the question.

but the two new ones aren't both classes one's a class and the other is the job based off of that class remember the leak a week or two ago? Class Arcanist Job Summoner >.<

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Let's see if Arcanist retains any of its "planned" spells, like the HP/MP/TP regen spell etc -- If so SCH still could branch off from it in the future since the XI iteration of SCH based on storyline, they're also very well versed in weather magic as well as concealing and utilizing trap style magic (i.e Paralyze/Blind/Silence tubes which players later gained access to via AN.)

If summoning comes from Arcanist, being well versed in other temporal and geological magic isn't out of the question.

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and I would like to see me a smexy sch in the game. and you're right it would fit in too but we'll have to wait and see

I <3 carby he was my fav smn in 11 and i am glad he is the main one in this game carby was a pretty good doing job in XI at keeping you alive. Looks like MNK/SMN/BLM just became my new mains.

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Originally Posted by Rannie

but the two new ones aren't both classes one's a class and the other is the job based off of that class remember the leak a week or two ago? Class Arcanist Job Summoner >.<

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They said - someplace, I don't keep links to quote or anything - that they are adding two new classes(And jobs off of them) in ARR. Arcanist is the first one they've aired/released info on.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Let's see if Arcanist retains any of its "planned" spells, like the HP/MP/TP regen spell etc -- If so SCH still could branch off from it in the future since the XI iteration of SCH based on storyline, they're also very well versed in weather magic as well as concealing and utilizing trap style magic (i.e Paralyze/Blind/Silence tubes which players later gained access to via AN.)

If summoning comes from Arcanist, being well versed in other temporal and geological magic isn't out of the question.

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From the wiki:

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Accompanied by a familiar in battle, adepts of the art of arcanum derive their might from symbols of power born of geometric techniques hailing from across the southern seas. Held within special grimoires, these symbols lend shape to the arcanist's aether, thereby allowing him to produce myriad powerful spells.
Using magicked gemstones upon which the selfsame symbols are graven, arcanists are also able to summon forth the ephemeral being Carbuncle to carry out their bidding.

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So, not only do they have the ability to summon, they can cast other magicks.

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Originally Posted by Rannie

arcanist isn't the job though smn is and they will be debuffing yes debuffs will help in primal and boss battles more than you think and carby if there's a hound of mobs that are summoned like say example in the plumes with garuda you can sic carby on one of them to help get rid of them *shrugs*

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Ah yes carby could be usefull with Plumes. If he some type aoes, very useful. But they would have to even with, Mnks aura pulse, drgs rings of talons, or the aoe brds have not sure of name. They would have to effectively be as good as those to replace a DD with garuda. You cant replace the Blm cause they are needed for Chirada and do no dmg to plumes. Which also reminded me that if carbys aoes (if he gets them) are magic based he wont kill Plumes cause they resist magic.

Art im afraid will though fall in with the other classes after a certain fall into the abyss of the other Classes. Smn ill wait on to touch cause there is no info on that yet as far as i see.

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Originally Posted by KoujiGeki

Ah yes carby could be usefull with Plumes. If he some type aoes, very useful. But they would have to even with, Mnks aura pulse, drgs rings of talons, or the aoe brds have not sure of name. They would have to effectively be as good as those to replace a DD with garuda. You cant replace the Blm cause they are needed for Chirada and do no dmg to plumes. Which also reminded me that if carbys aoes (if he gets them) are magic based he wont kill Plumes cause they resist magic.

Art im afraid will though fall in with the other classes after a certain fall into the abyss of the other Classes. Smn ill wait on to touch cause there is no info on that yet as far as i see.

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you still will have carby though with smn since it's the job off of arcanist so that's why i say you can have them help out with the plumes and such and call carby back to bring forth another summons to help with other things there will be uses. Arcanist though will mainly be used as a solo most likely. =) So yeah i can't wait to see how they both play out. I think I will play around with both for the hell of it

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Originally Posted by Rannie

you still will have carby though with smn since it's the job off of arcanist so that's why i say you can have them help out with the plumes and such and call carby back to bring forth another summons to help with other things there will be uses. Arcanist though will mainly be used as a solo most likely. =) So yeah i can't wait to see how they both play out. I think I will play around with both for the hell of it

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Oh no doubt i love summoner i cant to play it, im just worried it'll start out like Dark Knight did in 11. People might look at why pick a job that enfeeble wont matter if we can kill the mob faster with a DD or just another Blm?

Meh I doubt that will happen but we'll see. I think that we'll find a way to put it in especially if it means more balance within the party or even more help. =)

This is my main for sure in FXIV as it was in XI and i just hope summoner will have carbuncle as well, not just arcanist.

Dot/debuff arcanist
tank/nuke summoner. I really cant wait to see Smn in action in TGS.

ya but lets also not forget SE's Idea of balance is nerfing till they even, rather than buffing the rest.

that is true but so far that hasn't happened

i think some people who main Warrior will say otherwise lol.

I would really like to see scholar in XIV, as well the bluemage.I just wounder how Summoner is gonna play in XIV.I dont mine the XI style but it could be better.

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Originally Posted by KoujiGeki

i think some people who main Warrior will say otherwise lol.

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yeah i kinda forgot about the war >.< and it was more mrd that got the gimp but near the end it turned out fine because they were going towards more of a dd than a tank for it *shrugs* at least that's my reasoning behind it. Hell they took away a lot of decent spells for con and such but eh i won't complain too much. just enjoy playing what I play

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Originally Posted by Yukagama

I would really like to see scholar in XIV, as well the bluemage.I just wounder how Summoner is gonna play in XIV.I dont mine the XI style but it could be better.

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The XI style was horrid i hope it never returns, I loved smn but hated it at the same time. I thought pup was much better done than smn and that isn't saying much.

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Originally Posted by Aldora

< /Nod > I cried tears of joy. It's exactly what i hoped it would be.

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Same here!

that's what i say i hope all arcanist summon's get carry over to summoner.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

Considering how classes and jobs work, Summoner will have access to all of the skills Arcanist does which means it will still have Carbuncle.

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Let us hope!

so to burst your bubble on Blu but a rep said a while back that Blue mage wasnt on the minds of the development team. so i dont see them getting added for a looooong time.

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Originally Posted by KoujiGeki

so to burst your bubble on Blu but a rep said a while back that Blue mage wasnt on the minds of the development team. so i dont see them getting added for a looooong time.

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Which is unfortunate but given the way even 1.0 works, I doubt it would have been possible and no, the glitch to "learn" mob abilities was a glitch that caused players to have anything used on them added to their skillbar including "Attack" skills.

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Originally Posted by Rannie

wow it kinda reminds me too a little bit of Sch but that's just because they're holding a book... lol carby is so cute and not radio active this time... I think i'm going to try that class and job when it comes

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I think everyone is gonna be on arcanist if it's the only new class during 2.0 release.

I guess we know why that random piece of Akihiko Yoshida artwork was hanging up in the background during his Live Producer Letters.

http://i.imgur.com/mU71w.png

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Originally Posted by Yukagama

I think everyone is gonna be on arcanist if it's the only new class during 2.0 release.

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nah not everyone remember there will be a lot of new players too so like i said there won't be a gagillion arcanists running about =)

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Originally Posted by TenraiNagi

http://static2.finalfantasyxiv.com/a...Txxb05Aum8.png

This is Archanist:
Main weapon is "Book", going to be a pet class, and will most probably make it at ARR launch.
Pros:

• Puts DOTs on enemies
• Debuffs enemies

There are 2 types of Carbuncle: Tank-type, Caster-type (they're going to be different visually)

http://static2.finalfantasyxiv.com/a...TxxcAp6WKw.png
http://static2.finalfantasyxiv.com/a...Txx1ssLi7s.png

And Summoner (and this is his AF gear):
Will use the powers of the primals? or gets his power from their essence? Didn't get it >.<;;. Will not make it at launch, but will be in one of the earlier patches after launch.
Compared to Archanist:

• More pet types
• More powerful pet actions

http://static2.finalfantasyxiv.com/a...Txx1goXDdw.png

And a little bit of cosplay ^^

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Well get more info in TGS for sure.

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Originally Posted by Rannie

nah not everyone remember there will be a lot of new players too so like i said there won't be a gagillion arcanists running about =)

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Yeah it'll work out like FFXI new job releases:

Parties full of Blue Mages, Corsairs, Puppetmasters, Dancers and Scholars for the first few weeks, then everyone gets settled into their place and it's back into the swing of things.

Given how you can go from 1-50 in barely a day in XIV now given the right circumstances, it wouldn't last that long to see everyone on ARN/SMN.

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Originally Posted by Rannie

nah not everyone remember there will be a lot of new players too so like i said there won't be a gagillion arcanists running about =)

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I've ment by the current players, will be arcanist since everyone is at 50 everything and yes new players, will be at a candy store what to try first.

Yeah but these aren't coming out until release of ARR Arcanist at least so yeah a lot us older players will be playing that new class but the newbs that just start may or may not be doing that. Also with what it sounds like you'll go from 1-15 in 30 hours with ARR. Unless you're some how magically pl'd if they even still allow that with ARR

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Originally Posted by Yukagama

I've ment by the current players, will be arcanist since everyone is at 50 everything and yes new players, will be at a candy store what to try first.

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yeah that I could see like i said for the old player base. lol or kids invited to the Wonka factory... I swear I'm not Augustus Gloop <_<>_> *hides chocolate covered hands behind back*

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Originally Posted by Irohuro

more importantly SUMMONER'S HORN IS BACK!!!

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It's not a summoner with out the Summoning horn!

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Originally Posted by Yukagama

It's not a summoner with out the Summoning horn!

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there will be a lot of "horny" people around then...

yayyyyyyy we get a book job! arcanist here we go!! (lemme use my vanya robe with a book pleaaaaaaseee)

well i will give credit were it is due, Though i am upset that the Class is called arcanist which i thought evoker would be a better fit. The Concept arts look fantastic and i cant wait. i LOVE the summoners jacket!

So what ever happened to the old archanist weapon (what was it, anyhow?)? Will it ever be used? Hmm...

Really hoping that, that red hell hound looking thing is ifrit essence and that all the essence will embody some kinda animal thats, i dont know like the primal in some sort of way

Ifrit - hell hound
Garuda - Some scary bird
moogle - ??
Titan - some Lizard thing

Would be cool imo.

BTW, curious where you found this artwork at.

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Originally Posted by Yukagama

I think everyone is gonna be on arcanist if it's the only new class during 2.0 release.

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What I was getting at a few pages back sorta.