For Shame, Mr. Yoshida - Being a Healer in 2026

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

From what I can tell, most of the healer mains here just switched to playing other roles (including tank which ironically let them heal while doing other things), or they heal only with friends/FCmates/statics and avoid the general playerbase. Personally I don't tank or heal at all, because despite everything done to make them "easy" I still don't like being responsible for whether or not the party wipes in a game where people don't tolerate death or failure, especially with anything they deem "braindead" because it makes them twice as mad that you failed something "so simple".

It still feels like healer quality has changed post-strike topic though, or how a lot of the names who were pro-stike either don't talk about playing healer anymore because they gave up on the role, or I don't see them around period because they did indeed quit the game over it.

While it might not have been some game-ending impact, its definitely left a "haze" over the game, the same way the overall player dropout has, and veteran healers were among them.

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This is exactly what I did. It was a combination of the Astro rework that took the high APM component I enjoyed out of the job, and general healer gameplay getting even worse. I just switched to Dancer. I'm still a support, but I'm actually useful in casual content now.

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Originally Posted by Ser_Arven

What's obnoxious in my opinion is that people who don't like the game as it is pretend that their sub money is going to hit SE where it hurts and that their $12 a month is so valuable that Square need to change the game to suit you.

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I see we're trotting out this nonsense again. The people who complain DO like the game. They care about it enough to go through the effort to reach out through different channels and offer criticism. Because they want the game they like to be even better. The people who actually don't like the game just quietly leave.

Also, if you enjoy MMOs, there isn't really much choice of where to go, especially if you don't like WoW. It's a dying genre and the current state of XIV is not helping that.

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Originally Posted by Ser_Arven

The game will stay profitable because no other mmo offers the RP of FFXIV (nightclubs, venues ect) the gpose and glamour opportunities, the unique housing aesthetic, Ultimate raids (which other mmos don't have an equivalent of) and many other things.

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This just just incredibly sad, honestly. An MMO devolving into SecondLife.

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Originally Posted by Ankhira

Few weeks ago I actually did San'doria and it had a BUNCH of new people on the boss with the crystals, alliances were wiping left and right and the healers were working super hard to keep people alive and ressing people, it was fun, engaging and I felt like what I was doing mattered, I felt like a healer, which is something I don't get 99% of the time in this game.

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This is my experience as well. I usually don't even bother doing roulettes anymore, but when I do, I'm hoping for the older ally raids because those frequently go sideways and I actually have something to do on healer, when I play it.

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Originally Posted by Kohashi

Yet, nobody is actually making you play something that you do not find engaging. Playing that class and yet complaining about it makes no damn sense. Absolutely, Karen's mentality and behaviour.

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Ahhh, another sexist comment from Kohashi on the forums, what a surprise. As always, Kohashi, you are here just throwing snark and insults at people because you think you know everything because "Streamer/Youtuber said this". Unless you have ANYTHING of value to add to the conversation, please don't even bother. How hard is it to understand that healers LIKE the healing role but they wish it could be better? Do you not have anything in your life you enjoy but you felt could be better?

You said: "I dunno, I am def not the target audience because I frankly don't want to sit there and babysit Tank. I appreciate easy and fast clears after doing that dungeon countless times."

Why are you a healer then if you don't actually want to heal? Yeah, you probably are not the target audience and healers shouldn't be balanced around players like you.

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Originally Posted by Ankhira

You said: "I dunno, I am def not the target audience because I frankly don't want to sit there and babysit Tank. I appreciate easy and fast clears after doing that dungeon countless times."

Why are you a healer then if you don't actually want to heal? Yeah, you probably are not the target audience and healers shouldn't be balanced around players like you.

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Ironically he is exactly the target audience

For JP healer is the “I want to relax and let other people do my job for me role”

For EN it becomes the “fast clear frictionless” role and the crayon eaters role

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Originally Posted by Aravell

You know, I think people need to stop beating on the healbot strawman, it's been through a lot, leave it alone.

I don't think anyone is asking to return to old MMO healing where you literally can't even level up solo and have to party up because you do absolutely no damage and just heal, people are more asking for old FFXIV healing.

Remember back in HW where a fantastic tank can at most solo 20% of dungeon boss HP before going down? People still managed to clear content just fine back then. Remember in old savages where it was literally impossible to do a no GCD heal run? People cleared just fine back then too.

I don't see why the pushback against bringing back a more balanced trinity, content was cleared back then all the same.

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The pushback is mostly from Green DPS who don't actually want to heal nor do a lot of mechanics so they just go on healer to have quick ques, one button to press, a second button every thirty seconds, then press some healing if they're feeling generous and that's it. I understand some people play healer because it's chill, and I respect that (unless you're toxic like some people here), but I'm so tired of green DPS, literally, so tired. The amount of healers I see in alliance raids or dungeons or even savage who BARELY heal and let the other healer do 99% of the work because they just want to DPS is so obnoxious.

I'm also not talking about sprouts or healers who aren't as good at the game nor even casual content for that matter, but there's push back from actual savage players just because they've gotten so used to doing the bare minimum that they feel threatened they might not be able to play on "easy" mode anymore. Which to me makes no sense, idk. The game has gotten so parse obsessed it's actually sad. Most healers don't care about healing as much as they do about damage output, which kind of defeats the point of a healer. "Oh the team is dying but if I press a hardcast Cure III my parse will go down.. I'll let the other healer do it."

I agree with what another other person said, though, even in casual content a tank should NOT be able to do the healers job. Give them some sustain and mits, sure, but don't let them be pseudo healers. Maybe this is why I prefer healing DRK's because I actually have to heal them, and even then Square has added a bunch of self healing to them as well.

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Originally Posted by Ankhira

The amount of healers I see in alliance raids or dungeons or even savage who BARELY heal and let the other healer do 99% of the work because they just want to DPS is so obnoxious.

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https://i.ibb.co/p6Xxb54D/healing-parse.png
Anything else of value you want to add? Please go ahead..haha.

Also, you can do Healing AND DPS. They are not mutually exclusive from each other. If you don't know how to heal and DPS, maybe look to optimize because you are clearly lacking. That's where the mastery of the healer comes in to do crazy high dps AND heal AND do mechanics AND babysit, however, made mistakes

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Originally Posted by Ankhira

Ahhh, another sexist comment from Kohashi on the forums, what a surprise. As always, Kohashi, you are here just throwing snark and insults at people because you think you know everything because "Streamer/Youtuber said this". Unless you have ANYTHING of value to add to the conversation, please don't even bother. How hard is it to understand that healers LIKE the healing role but they wish it could be better? Do you not have anything in your life you enjoy but you felt could be better?

You said: "I dunno, I am def not the target audience because I frankly don't want to sit there and babysit Tank. I appreciate easy and fast clears after doing that dungeon countless times."

Why are you a healer then if you don't actually want to heal? Yeah, you probably are not the target audience and healers shouldn't be balanced around players like you.

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Karen's attitude has nothing to do with gender, and unless you actually give the video a watch and look at Preach's take, which is super balanced and insightful, don't bother throwing baseless insults.

And I do enjoy healing, and I do enjoy the dynamic between healing, damage, and doing mechanics as well as knowing everyone's part as well, because there is not just 1 aspect that makes the entire experience. It's not JUST about the class, and it's not just about the encounter mechanics, it's EVERYTHING else in between as well. The overall difficulty comes from all the elements together.

I do love the fact that I am not just a healing bot, and I get to do other stuff as well. Also, I said am not the target audience for casual content healing. I find it boring and annoying. Reading and comprehension is hard, I know..

Casual content is good as it is; nothing else to add. If somebody is bored and/or finds the class annoying, either change the class or go in higher difficulties. The entire game is designed this way, and actually asking to change how the entire game functions is absolutely crazy talk to me.

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Originally Posted by Uzephi

Sadly, DF has a priority system on who is "in need." It checks tanks first, if tank is in need, no other role matters. DF could be starved of healers, but if tank is in need, "healer in need" won't pop, ever.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

I would also think that being a case as well if queueing as a tank does gave me instant queues on the dungeon roulos (not counting 8-mans because you require two to three anyway). But 7 out of 10 times, I did not. What happened instead: the moment I swap to healer while the icon still showing tanks, I got an instant pop. I know I'm not the only one who had been experiencing this since at least late ShB times.

A common speculation around the AiN bonus is as the following:

What people think: Players in queue = 20 tanks, 5 healers, 100 DPS. Therefore, the UI will show Healer AiN since by far they amount the least in the current frame.

What actually happens: Players in queue = 20 tanks, 5 healers, 100 DPS. UI shows Tank AiN because the system baked into the algorithm are designed to prioritizes Tank > Healer > DPS icon until they surpass an arbitrarily set number. Let's say, 20+. This means until there are 21 or more tanks, the UI will keep showing tanks irrespective to the amount of existing healers/dps in queue.

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Its not that tanks are as unpopular as healers its the fact the game has become so oversaturated with dps jobs when dungeon content only allows 2 and raids 4. Tanks lost a lot of features from stormblood too like stance dancing, dark knight lost a whole lot like skill speed on blood weapon gcds, dark passenger, soul survivor for pve, dark arts and gcd abyssal drain combined with dark arts for warrior level healing in dungeons but with Massive mp cost to not be as spammable and infiringent on healer agency.

Tanks are definitely more popular than healers of you go by how many are leveled to 100 in oc.

Tanks may have lost a lot but unlike healers they have more than 1 dps tool and actual bursts for 2 minute (1 minute on all tanks now woo hoo lionheart spam baby!) . Meanwhile after 2 expansions of terrible dot malefic spam astro gets one tiny ogcd nuke with a 2 minute cooldown, scholar used to juggle 2-3 dots constantly but now spams broil and occasionally resets its bio that can no longer be spread via bane. Instead we have to wait two whole minutes for a little aoe dot you barely notice.

Sorry gang but with the exception of white mage most of the healers dps kits feel insulting to play when you're swapping from dps or tank. White mage isn't much better but getting to hit glare 4 more than once during 2 minute windows is really nice. Its like inner release just worse lol.

Kohashi since you seem passionately heated do you agree healers should get a pinch of dps buttons back?

Reine since you seem opposed to whatever this guy is saying what I your opinion is the main problem with healing what would make it better. Sorry if yall already wrote this but im too lazy to parse thru the bickering xD

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Originally Posted by Kohashi

Anything else of value you want to add? Please go ahead..haha

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If you’re going to post logs, at least be honest and don’t cherry‑pick only the ones where you performed well. (Deleted the picture I had posted here.)

I'm not throwing baseless insults, you started that by calling me a Karen simply for having an opinion. You don’t get to decide what is or isn’t sexist when you’re the one using the insult.
Calling me a Karen in the middle of an argument when in the past you made comments about my "boyfriend" that I don't even have carrying me, there's clearly a pattern. Since, if you didn't know, the term "Karen" is constantly used to criticize women. So yes, I'd say it's pretty sexist.

And no, I don’t need to watch a YouTuber to have an opinion about healer design. I can use my own experiences and base my opinions on that. I like Preach, I'm sure he has good takes, but it won't change how I experience the game. Regardless, if all you have are personal digs and deflections, then you’re proving my point for me again. ♥

Edit: I ended up deleting the picture of his logs as I didn't want to stoop to his level, regardless, I will be muting this thread as people are seemingly hellbent on just throwing insults and being dismissive. I've given my points and my impressions of the healer role as a healer main, I don't need to sit here any longer and endure the toxicity some people want to bring.

Have fun with that.

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Originally Posted by Reginald_Cain

Because the players asked for more healing in shadowbringers and devs translated that to less dps skills without increasing casual healing requirements. Its gonna happen again in 8.0 I know it. Stormblood was peak healing and they killed it forever gg

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The only thing I remember well in Shadowbringers is playing as SCH in PF with WHMs that had a huge allergy to hitting Afflatus Rapture because it was a minor DPS loss unless the boss was untargetable, though it wasn't an issue with an AST since they could do the bulk of healing without stepping on their GCDs heavily which was pretty enjoyable. (For me at least) Stormblood was pretty fun overall too, but I believe it's because of the other system resources we had that sort of overlapped with healing as well.

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Originally Posted by Aravell

I don't think anyone is asking to return to old MMO healing where you literally can't even level up solo and have to party up because you do absolutely no damage and just heal, people are more asking for old FFXIV healing.

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It would be nice, but when we have asked for those previous ways the developers seem to have expressed that they don't want to even go back to any of the old ways of systems like Stormblood and earlier, including healing.
I think the majority of people that were asking for this have most likely retired from the game, unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

From what I can tell, most of the healer mains here just switched to playing other roles -snip-

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I know that in EW/DT the healer numbers were bleeding a lot especially when trying to savage PF it was always a class being waited on for quite some time, in my experience at least. (I can't tell if this was just unfortunate timing because of the healer strike becoming a thing and also the upped healing requirements that were filtering a lot of players overlapping at around the same timeframe) I would say I was a healer main once too, throughout HW-late ShB, loved it to death and would spend all my nights in PF or running dungeons for the fun of it, but I dropped the role entirely and tried to pick up Tank/DPS roles once I saw the direction it was headed in for EW/DT, the modern changes to healers don't appeal to me much at all which is fine since there is probably a new and larger audience that enjoys how it is currently after the big ShB population boom. At the time further changes to the role were introduced I was quite unhappy, so I took the opportunity to try something else, and I am quite glad I did or else I would probably have just quit like most others have already done, but I guess I'm lucky in a way since I wasn't holding onto the concept of only being a healer in this game. (Not that there's anything wrong with having that kind of approach to the game)

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Originally Posted by Kohashi

https://i.ibb.co/p6Xxb54D/healing-parse.png
Anything else of value you want to add? Please go ahead..haha.

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Metrics like this isn't even a good point to start on. If you bothered to look at the percentage of casts on the other hand such as how many times I pressed Dia/Glare vs. Healing GCDs? You'd see the difference and why people are clamoring for more DPS Buttons.

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Originally Posted by Kohashi

Also, you can do Healing AND DPS. They are not mutually exclusive from each other. If you don't know how to heal and DPS, maybe look to optimize because you are clearly lacking. That's where the mastery of the healer comes in to do crazy high dps AND heal AND do mechanics AND babysit, however, made mistakes

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I'd like to ask something: If you're talking about doing DPS and healing, it's certainly what has become the standard when it comes to the role; but can you tell me the amount of "downtime" for healing healers have? I'd certainly like to know in Casual Content since that's what your argument is basing on.

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Originally Posted by Kohashi

Karen's attitude has nothing to do with gender, and unless you actually give the video a watch and look at Preach's take, which is super balanced and insightful, don't bother throwing baseless insults.

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Then why are you throwing insults in a discussion? Calling someone a Karen is derogatory despite context by default, and if anything you're making your basis not worth hearing when you start insulting.

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Originally Posted by Kohashi

And I do enjoy healing, and I do enjoy the dynamic between healing, damage, and doing mechanics as well as knowing everyone's part as well, because there is not just 1 aspect that makes the entire experience. It's not JUST about the class, and it's not just about the encounter mechanics, it's EVERYTHING else in between as well. The overall difficulty comes from all the elements together.

I do love the fact that I am not just a healing bot, and I get to do other stuff as well. Also, I said am not the target audience for casual content healing. I find it boring and annoying. Reading and comprehension is hard, I know..

Casual content is good as it is; nothing else to add. If somebody is bored and/or finds the class annoying, either change the class or go in higher difficulties. The entire game is designed this way, and actually asking to change how the entire game functions is absolutely crazy talk to me.

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Yet you're basically not recognizing the problem and just telling others to "Go play ultimate" as Yoshida has said back then. It's an invalid excuse to allow an entire role to be parasitized by another role to the point that the parasitized role does not do what its identity was designed for: Healing.

If Healers didn't exist, we'd find a way to deal with fights without healers because guess what? No Healer Clears are normalized in Dungeons, Savage, and Ultimate. The entire game is designed around the Trinity, and I've said it before: The Trinity is broken when a Tank can do a Healer's job. Your argument that casual content is good as is? It's not. Casual Content does not give the healer incentive to heal at all because there are no heal checks, no concerns about the tank, and definitely not peeling up the DPS off the floor at end game when they're all playing the dungeon and mechanics correctly.

That's the problem. It takes a mistake for a Healer to feel useful - it absolutely should not and is a bad design choice on the developers' part because what healers are lacking is also Engagement. DPS like big number. They get engagement. Tanks have a decent DPS rotation that feels like they're doing something while also using Mit Tools. That's engagement.

Healers get tools that are only useful when the situation calls for them or a mistake is made, and all they can do is press Glare all day since the Tank is never in any kind of danger of dying. What's more, if you run into a Warrior, you might as well just DPS away because they have a self-Benediction on big pulls every 25s in dungeons. In raids? Heals like a wet noodle as it's supposed to be unless there is add grouping involved(M6S). If you want to keep healing as it is right now, you need to give up something on Tanks *or* give Healers more healing downtime tools, which are damage tools to keep them engaged so they're not just pressing 1 to oblivion and back in Dungeons.

Another thing I want to add is that I want to heal, I want to use my full healing kit because I need to, but what I don’t want to have is a complex dps rotation. I’m a healer, not a dps, I’d rather have a simple dps kit because I am actually healing and buffing. If the devs give us all sorts of dps spells and say, there you go, your no longer a glare mage, they didn’t get the message.

Healing and buffing first, do’s if we don’t have anything to do. IMO, dps should be less than 25% of what a healer does.

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Originally Posted by Reginald_Cain

[...]Reine since you seem opposed to whatever this guy is saying what I your opinion is the main problem with healing what would make it better. Sorry if yall already wrote this but im too lazy to parse thru the bickering xD

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Is this part directed at me specifically? I couldn't tell if that's a typo of me or I'm misinterpreting lol. But for the moment I'll assume the former.

Firstly, I don't know who 'this guy' is so I can't see what they're saying nor confirm whether I agree or disagree :P

Secondly, I personally think there is no 'one for all' magic solution to the role because their main problem is massive and all encompassing - there's just too much that's been adding up over the years.

• Healing? We heal too much & too infrequently; Tanks ALSO heals too much. DPSes heals also adds up considerably. Even the method of our healing are also barebone: "Push health bar to right"-button. Is that all they could think of?
  
  Ironically in Variant Advanced where I ran with my friends who didn't bring any Variant Cures at all, I can feel that I needed to work just sliiiightly harder to fill up those inflated HP bars. Perhaps that's the closest I could think of when it comes to nerfing overall HPS. But we can go for more.
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• DPS kit? Definitely too simple and most offending of all, all 4 healers plays the same. We couldn't even have SGE's E.Dyskrasia from Media Tour build because they buckle down against players who are so afraid to lose 80 potency per minute 'OpTiMiZaTiOn' under the guise of "I want to focus healing" - if that much potency loss challenges one's attention span from doing such barebone responsibility, then I'm not sure I want to be outside home in days they drive in the public roads.
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• Encounter design? Absolutely abhorrent. Jobs are warped so that they think it can be played within their 'new awesome encounter' which only serves to teach you to hate other players who makes mistake, because even if you want to help them, you are limited to "do they want to improve/can they learn fast enough before I get frustrated", not realizing that there's more than just 'memo game' to test a player; especially 'triaging', a common healers archetype playstyle. It's like they have forgotten that a core gameplay of a job is what creates a playerbase to main those jobs & keep them playing the game in multiple types of content, not just high-ends that they seemed to be trying so hard to push people toward.

Personally I'd like a blend of StB job's complexity with ShB's QoL/smoothness (except seraph, ew lol). There are enough room for both more involved dps and healing opportunities. ARR-StB healing paradigm itself has proven that such thing exist without having to copy MMO's that people really like to use as a scapegoat as a reason to keep the status quo.

I could go into details (i.e. how I want my WHM and SCH), but I've said so much of those in healer sub-forum I personally don't feel like bringing that over here + doesn't seem to be a proper thread for that.

Well rein im glad someone else addressed how garbage the e dykrasia change upon 6.0 release was. God forbid a job have more than two dots right yoshi? Ugh...

Beyond that I can agree that most of the issues in that drop down menu are correct and I hope the devs actually see them and fix them. And this guy was referring to the other player I was questioning.

The funny thing about E.Dyskrasia is that it's become even more worthless as the expansion has gone on. When 7.0 dropped, E. Dosis did 75 while Dyskrasia did 40 mean it was a gain back then. Then when 7.2 came, Dosis is upped to 80 meaning now it's equal now to two targets dotted by Dyskrasia and now E. Dosis doesa 85. Now it's better to just individually dot them when the tank is pulling cause even 3 targets with E. Dosis is more damage then 6 with E. Dyskrasia.

Anyways, I just find the healing in this game to be too predictable, static and not constant enough.

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Originally Posted by Kohashi

https://i.ibb.co/p6Xxb54D/healing-parse.png
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Eww, 50% overheals. What a waste. Edit: and looking closer, you can see your coheal is actually more efficient and actually beat your effective heals in most of those screenshots. You're only top because of the overheals. That SCH is actually a better healer.

I do believe that tank self sustain can use some looking at. That said, I still run into plenty of tanks in roulettes playing sage that need me to keep them from dying. Or others in the party because mobs have AoEs or other attacks. The entire spectrum of ability needs to be reviewed, not just the more able segment of the population. And when viewed through that lens, we're still definitely needed. So there are necessary modifications that can be made since this does make the more able tanks more overpowered. It is not every tank, though, so that needs to be part of the equation.

The problem with tank sustain is if you meet the very low baseline it’s too strong

Like sure you will meet tanks who simply don’t press a defensive but the baseline for tank defensives becoming too strong is “can they press their short mitigation”

A jobs design shouldn’t be based around a group within another job who outright refuses to press buttons and for tanks if you are pressing your short mitigation and vaguely looking at your other mits you are already doing too much of the healers job

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Originally Posted by Ser_Arven

Dude I have been in so many M11s parties where we were just melting to damage in weapons and one healer went so far the other day as to say the reason we were dying to damage was because we were running double caster and had an extra addle (no overlap) instead of feint. We also had MCH dismantle as an extra.

There is a huge gap between good and bad healers in both high end and casual and thats why tanks have self sustain to make-up for the gap. Do you know how many times I have used Holmgang for a buster than been auto'd to death after because the healers were dreaming?

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God I had a WHM last night trying to get my main's m11s reclear done for a book (she has static obligations earlier in the week) who absolutely would not top us off before raidwides. So we were going into Crown casts half health. I'm over there praying my Kera and E prog (Zoe'd if it was up) could get us through when I didn't have Ixachole or Pneuma to burst us back up. They ended up leaving saying they were healing way too much O_O

And then the amount of times the party has gone splat in m12s on Fixer if a party mit is missing. Healing might go braindead when everything goes perfect, but it definitely isn't perfect the majority of the time in PF.

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Originally Posted by Uzephi

Eww, 50% overheals. What a waste. Edit: and looking closer, you can see your coheal is actually more efficient and actually beat your effective heals in most of those screenshots. You're only top because of the overheals. That SCH is actually a better healer.

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do you unironically think hps matters on ffxiv? lol

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

God I had a WHM last night trying to get my main's m11s reclear done for a book (she has static obligations earlier in the week) who absolutely would not top us off before raidwides. So we were going into Crown casts half health. I'm over there praying my Kera and E prog (Zoe'd if it was up) could get us through when I didn't have Ixachole or Pneuma to burst us back up. They ended up leaving saying they were healing way too much O_O

And then the amount of times the party has gone splat in m12s on Fixer if a party mit is missing. Healing might go braindead when everything goes perfect, but it definitely isn't perfect the majority of the time in PF.

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I don't think anyone here's asking for these spreadsheeted mits and heals to be done in normal content at least.

When things are going well we rarely ever need to use a casted heal. Even when things go somewhat badly the party can often recover from it with just a few oGCDs.

Whenever we ask for more damage to heal they do somewhat give us that, but they pair that increase with another healing button (and tanks stronger mits, which also makes melees worse backups in emergencies) and cancel it out so we're still stuck with glare spam. Our GCD usage would be way different if it wasn't for the sheer amount of free healing/mits healers and tanks got from EW onwards.

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Originally Posted by Uzephi

Eww, 50% overheals. What a waste. Edit: and looking closer, you can see your coheal is actually more efficient and actually beat your effective heals in most of those screenshots. You're only top because of the overheals. That SCH is actually a better healer.

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In fairness, overheal for WHM is a stupendously bad metric because of Assize, case in point - Me today, nevermind the rapture, that was a wrong button press. https://i.postimg.cc/gJw9sQdG/Overheal.png

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Originally Posted by Ankhira

And no, I don’t need to watch a YouTuber to have an opinion about healer design.

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But how as women would we be able to have an opinion without someone mansplaining it to us though that's crazy talk

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Originally Posted by Bryson

do you unironically think hps matters on ffxiv? lol

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As stated earlier in this thread (if you care to read instead of making assumptions) I know it doesn't matter, but when someone shows logs and asks for feedback... I even quoted them asking for it. Edit: post where I explicitly explain how borked healing is in this game because of the fact "healers" are weighed by their DPS, not healing: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6798325

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

Another thing I want to add is that I want to heal, I want to use my full healing kit because I need to (...)

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The problem with that wish is that our healing kit is currently so efficient and overloaded that making you actually need to use most of those spells (without risking constant wipes) would be a huge ask for anything below Savage. The only time I personally felt like I was using my AoE heals on cooldown was in the current Savage tier, and even those fights are quite heavy on healing and mitigation checks.

On top of that, tanks have become extremely self-sufficient. They can heal themselves (and sometimes others) so well that it creates another big barrier to actually needing dedicated healers. In those same Savage fights, I barely had to use my single-target cooldowns on the tanks. Most of those went toward DPS who messed up mechanics.

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(...) but what I don’t want to have is a complex dps rotation. I’m a healer, not a dps, I’d rather have a simple dps kit because I am actually healing and buffing. If the devs give us all sorts of dps spells and say, there you go, your no longer a glare mage, they didn’t get the message.

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Which jobs do you think actually have the most and least complex rotations right now? Could you honestly look at someone and say, with a straight face, that a Warrior-style or Summoner-style rotation would be too much for a healer to handle?

If we truly want to fix the "nothing to heal" problem, we would need to prune and nerf a lot of the current healing buttons. Once you do that, the freed-up buttons naturally need to go somewhere, and that place should be damage spells. Randomly handing out new buffs and debuffs to all four healers would be messy and would step on Astrologian’s and Scholar’s identities. Those kinds of tools should be added carefully. Something like the old Protect (with some modern tweaks) could work well as a role action, for example. But honestly, with the current job and fight design, there isn’t much room for anything more creative than basic Protect/Shell and damage-up buffs.

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

Another thing I want to add is that I want to heal, I want to use my full healing kit because I need to, but what I don’t want to have is a complex dps rotation. I’m a healer, not a dps, I’d rather have a simple dps kit because I am actually healing and buffing. If the devs give us all sorts of dps spells and say, there you go, your no longer a glare mage, they didn’t get the message.

Healing and buffing first, do’s if we don’t have anything to do. IMO, dps should be less than 25% of what a healer does.

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Thats not what this game is though. FFXIV is known for being the game where everyone has to dps and the difficulty of being a support comes with squeezing out as much dps as possible while keeping the party alive.

There are games where healers only heal and buff but it isn't this game and the game doesn't have to change its entire design so you people can heal bot. Its actually super entitled and weird.

People need to take into consideration as well that self sustain is tuned for high end content. They will never balance around normal. WAR may be a self sustain god in aoe (i.e. normal dungeons) but bloodwhetting is honestly the weakest short cooldown of all the tanks at a savage and ultimate level and sometimes its me, bloodwhetting and a dream trying to survive after invulning a buster and a healer decides not to top me up. Without that little heal I would often 100% die and thats not fair to me.

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But how as women would we be able to have an opinion without someone mansplaining it to us though that's crazy talk

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As a man im tired of being man splained why autocrossbow shouldn't reset ogcds like heat blast. Its absolutely bologna

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

Another thing I want to add is that I want to heal, I want to use my full healing kit because I need to, but what I don’t want to have is a complex dps rotation. I’m a healer, not a dps, I’d rather have a simple dps kit because I am actually healing and buffing. If the devs give us all sorts of dps spells and say, there you go, your no longer a glare mage, they didn’t get the message.

Healing and buffing first, do’s if we don’t have anything to do. IMO, dps should be less than 25% of what a healer does.

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you're unironically doing the meme from like a decade ago

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Originally Posted by Jovakim

Which jobs do you think actually have the most and least complex rotations right now? Could you honestly look at someone and say, with a straight face, that a Warrior-style or Summoner-style rotation would be too much for a healer to handle?.

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Not difficult to handle, but I can see the many complaints about healers not healing to avoid breaking their combos. 2-3 GCDs delayed can cause death sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Uzephi

Not difficult to handle, but I can see the many complaints about healers not healing to avoid breaking their combos. 2-3 GCDs delayed can cause death sometimes.

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I genuinely want to know what it is that makes people see “maybe we could have anything but one button spam” and immediately go “BUT WHAT SBOUT COMBO BREAKING WHAT IF I HABE TO GCD HEAL MY COMBO BREAKS COMBO BREAK COMBO COMBO”

We literally had more complexity in healer damage kits for 3 expansions and this was never a concern. Why do people instantly create it as a problem

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I genuinely want to know what it is that makes people see “maybe we could have anything but one button spam” and immediately go “BUT WHAT SBOUT COMBO BREAKING WHAT IF I HABE TO GCD HEAL MY COMBO BREAKS COMBO BREAK COMBO COMBO”

We literally had more complexity in healer damage kits for 3 expansions and this was never a concern. Why do people instantly create it as a problem

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Because this isn't about wanting a more interesting kit as a healer. Every time giving healers more damage buttons or extra dots to manage, even just a second DPS spell to cycle is mentioned there is an argument about why it's impossible and a bad idea, such as the breaking combo nonsense.

This is about players who don't like the idea that healers are expected to dps in this game. They want to only cast healing spells and absoutley empty their mp and healing kit every opportunity they get because "that's what healers do."

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Eww, 50% overheals. What a waste. Edit: and looking closer, you can see your coheal is actually more efficient and actually beat your effective heals in most of those screenshots. You're only top because of the overheals. That SCH is actually a better healer.

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Originally Posted by Ankhira

If you’re going to post logs, at least be honest and don’t cherry‑pick only the ones where you performed well. (Deleted the picture I had posted here.)

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Allow me to answer you both.

https://i.ibb.co/Ccq2qCq/Untitled1.png

It's extremely apparent the level of understanding both of you have, and probably one of the reasons why SE stopped taking feedback from the forums.

Overheal means absolutely nothing; it tells you nothing, and the parse is only an indicator of how well both healers synergised and didn't overlap on stuff.
I do generally try to pay attention, and my healing rotation is never static, for that matter. The ability to be fluid and not always perform the same standard rotation, but adapt and pay attention to what your co-healer is doing, is another layer of mastery.
This is particularly hard in PF because you never played with that person before, and you don't know their healing and mitigation plan for that fight. Being able to adapt on the fly and pay attention is not something many even care about. That includes me because in reclears, I just want to get in and get out.

As for overheal from WHM, it's in their kit because of how Asize functions. You have to press it on CD, and if people are hull hp or not a lot hp missing, it will go straight into OH.

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Metrics like this isn't even a good point to start on. If you bothered to look at the percentage of casts on the other hand such as how many times I pressed Dia/Glare vs. Healing GCDs? You'd see the difference and why people are clamoring for more DPS Buttons.

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None because you are playing DPS.

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Originally Posted by Kohashi

Overheal means absolutely nothing; it tells you nothing.

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Over healing in a time long lost in xiv actually was detrimental and could lead to mana issues. You bringing up OH of 50% is "just how WHM works" is proof enough this development team has zero idea how to make efficient healers. Did you explain why assize is used on CD? Oh, right, because we aren't healers, just support DPS.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I genuinely want to know what it is that makes people see “maybe we could have anything but one button spam” and immediately go “BUT WHAT SBOUT COMBO BREAKING WHAT IF I HABE TO GCD HEAL MY COMBO BREAKS COMBO BREAK COMBO COMBO”

We literally had more complexity in healer damage kits for 3 expansions and this was never a concern. Why do people instantly create it as a problem

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Did any of those damage kits have combination spells like the ones brought up in my quote? I surely don't remember any damaging spell combination that would be broken if not done in order for any healer. It also wasn't brought up as a complaint, just an observation and prediction of this community.

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Originally Posted by Uzephi

Over healing in a time long lost in xiv actually was detrimental and could lead to mana issues. You bringing up OH of 50% is "just how WHM works" is proof enough this development team has zero idea how to make efficient healers. Did you explain why assize is used on CD? Oh, right, because we aren't healers, just support DPS.

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And thats the point of the game. You are support dps, EVERYONE is a dps. Expecting the devs to change the game for you is beyond entitled. This whole post reeks of Karen energy even being titled "shame on you Mr Yoshida" or whatever.

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Originally Posted by Ser_Arven

or whatever.

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Couldn't you have scrolled up a little and checked...? come on dude, it's like 3 seconds.

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Couldn't you have scrolled up a little and checked...? come on dude, it's like 3 seconds.

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No, no I can read. Not everyone who doesn't agree with your narrative is stupid

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No, no I can read. Not everyone who doesn't agree with your narrative is stupid

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I didn't say you are illiterate, I said you were lazy, to a fault.

Also what the hell "doesn't agree with your narrative"? I am not a part of this argument, I am here to see the clowns, like any good circus.