Alliance Raid Now iLvl Locked, Why??

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Originally Posted by Esmoire

Requirement at 90 is 565. The FREE artifact gear you get at 89 is 560. It can't be easier to do just a few post EW dungeons to become eligible. Absolutely no excuses.

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Ah yes, let me do THE ENTIRE STORY OF AN EXPANSION, possibly several for someone very overlevelled, and then run a few dungeons. I'll just knock that out in an hour or so, should be easy...

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Originally Posted by AmorfaVex

Im not sure why anyone wouldnt want to upgrade their gear as often as they can. Why fight with a level 60 weapon when you can have a level 90 weapon?

People on the free trial have it hard, I can see that. They cant even access the market board.

Seems to me though, the issue is more with the path to 80 buff giving way too much XP.

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Because a level 90 weapon is functionally identical to a level 60 weapon in a level 60 raid. You can get some extra substats due to the way scaling works, sure, but that doesn't matter outside of optimising for ultimates. They won't actually be fighting with a level 90 weapon either way, they'll be paying for a level 90 weapon to fight with a level 60 weapon.

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Originally Posted by DaichiSilurus

Ah yes, let me do THE ENTIRE STORY OF AN EXPANSION, possibly several for someone very overlevelled, and then run a few dungeons. I'll just knock that out in an hour or so, should be easy...



Because a level 90 weapon is functionally identical to a level 60 weapon in a level 60 raid. You can get some extra substats due to the way scaling works, sure, but that doesn't matter outside of optimising for ultimates. They won't actually be fighting with a level 90 weapon either way, they'll be paying for a level 90 weapon to fight with a level 60 weapon.

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Right, so why not buy a 30k level 90 weapon to unlock the raids?

I dont see the problem here.

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Originally Posted by AmorfaVex

Right, so why not buy a 30k level 90 weapon to unlock the raids?

I dont see the problem here.

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Someone shouldn't have to pay for gear to meet the requirements of content they can't run. It's partly a principle thing, because that's the way the game has always been designed up till now, but also "a 30k weapon" is going to add up real fast when you consider they need an entire gearset (at least enough to hit an average of 565, which can make a few pieces skippable if you otherwise have level 80 gear but not all that many, especially for someone who's further back in the story and doesn't have Cryptlurker as their baseline) for every job that hits 90. 19 weapons, 7 armour types, you're talking over a million gil's worth of classical gear even if you half your price estimate (which is about what it would be on my DC). Which is not an absurd amount of money in the grand scheme of things but is an absurd amount to fix a problem that is easily avoidable by applying the ilvl based on duties unlocked or MSQ progress rather than purely on level.

And after spending all that gil they end up fighting exactly as well as they did before in every piece of content they're going to be doing for the foreseeable future.

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Originally Posted by DaichiSilurus

Someone shouldn't have to pay for gear to meet the requirements of content they can't run. It's partly a principle thing, because that's the way the game has always been designed up till now, but also "a 30k weapon" is going to add up real fast when you consider they need an entire gearset (at least enough to hit an average of 565, which can make a few pieces skippable if you otherwise have level 80 gear but not all that many, especially for someone who's further back in the story and doesn't have Cryptlurker as their baseline) for every job that hits 90. 19 weapons, 7 armour types, you're talking over a million gil's worth of classical gear even if you half your price estimate (which is about what it would be on my DC). Which is not an absurd amount of money in the grand scheme of things but is an absurd amount to fix a problem that is easily avoidable by applying the ilvl based on duties unlocked or MSQ progress rather than purely on level.

And after spending all that gil they end up fighting exactly as well as they did before in every piece of content they're going to be doing for the foreseeable future.

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I see. So this isnt a technical issue that we are struggling with, this is a gripe against the development team for the way they designed the game.

If someone can level a character to 90, im sure they can afford to buy the items they need.

My bad though. I thought this was an actual issue, not another thread bashing the devs.

Good luck with your crusade, its not my battle, and for that reason, im out.

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Originally Posted by AmorfaVex

My bad though. I thought this was an actual issue, not another thread bashing the devs.

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Nobody is bashing devs, and everyone is happy they're finally listening to feedback around ilvl cheesing. But the fix was implemented in such a way that it negatively affected a percentage of the playerbase, and asking that it be hotfixed.

Nice ad hominem attack though. Best of luck to you.

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Originally Posted by DubiousDisk

As everyone mentioned, it's to circumvent the ilv cheese that's been going on for a while, now players are forced to essentially queue for all alliance raids up to Aglaia when queueing for alliance roulette.

But they went with a weird solution that essentially locks new players out of said roulette since most will be Lv 90 by the time they hit the end of HW.

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Who in the hell is level 90 by the end of HW lmao

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Originally Posted by min-ryne

Who in the hell is level 90 by the end of HW lmao

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They're talking about the Road to 80 buff that increases the experience points you get I suppose with doing a lot of questing and stuff while doing all that you can hit 90 before the end of Heavensward

So I did genuinely get crystal tower yesterday. It was an ALL sprout alliance. Utter chaos. People kept using flames on the ice as frogs and melting it, bosses got pulled to the very wall causing mechanics to be very punishing when they attack one half of their bodies... It was the most fun I've had in years doing Crystal Tower. Utter chaos.

Also, yes, 565 gear is literally nothing. You can buy 610 for basically venture cash or one round of, ironically, roulettes.

With the amount of complaining in here, you’d think SE made the requirement to do alliance raid to be to complete an ultimate. The reqs arnt hard.

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Originally Posted by Krokov

They're talking about the Road to 80 buff that increases the experience points you get I suppose with doing a lot of questing and stuff while doing all that you can hit 90 before the end of Heavensward

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It's still highly unlikely that that happens, considering I was one a road to 70 buff server when I started and was maybe I want to say around level 65-68 at the end of HW. If you're already at 90 by then then you should really just play another job, it's what I did when i realised how over-levelled I was and realised I preferred the job I had picked up anyway

crazy how bothered people are with getting told to buy better gear as if SE doesn't throw you like 500k into your face with ARR only. Just level another job I guess? Nobody is forcing you to stay on a singular class throughout the entire game, you could probably level 3 whole jobs until you're finished with Endwalker.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

No it's not. Lots of people like it this way, don't assume it now magically inconveniences everyone.

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I think it's still a fair statement to make even if it doesn't personally bother you, just because there were much better solutions proposed way before they made the change. I can't be sure why this is the solution they chose, and maybe there is some justification for it somewhere, but the problem it causes could be seen from lightyears away. SE made a bad choice here.

Separating CT from alliance roulette would have just made everyone happy with no drawbacks. Making CT required in the first place was already questionable.

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Originally Posted by LumKitty

I got somewhat screwed over by this, as a newish player. Level 80 and right at the end of stormblood / start of shadowbringers, ILVL 400 with stormblood poetics gear. It was definitely a WTF moment to log in and find myself locked out of alliance raids due to a requirement that was literally impossible to meet at my current point in the story!

I understand the need to stop people cheesing Crystal Tower, but you now have a situation where a new player doing normal progression is punished for leveling up too much by getting locked out of alliance raids, which kinda sucks if you do roulettes mainly for fun (I do them when I'm not up to doing more MSQ plot, and only play 3 classes, so tend to overlevel a fair bit)

A solution to consider: Maybe use the new ILVL table, but with the later restrictions only coming in when you've progressed MSQ up to the point that the new raids are available to you, so a lv80 character who is still in the Stormblood patch content is treated as lv70 for the purposes of ILVL requirements. Maybe have a limit of how many levels you can drop using this method (say 15) to handle the case where a really dedicated cheeser makes a character and only plays up to HW, while reducing the likelihood that someone playing normally gets caught out by overleveling

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Well... Buy normal quality green gears is your solution. They shouldn't be expensive

All they have to do is fix their code: if character level 70-80, set ilvl to x.

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Originally Posted by Eastwall

Well... Buy normal quality green gears is your solution. They shouldn't be expensive

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Or spend poetics

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Originally Posted by Centaurea

Nobody is forcing you to stay on a singular class throughout the entire game, you could probably level 3 whole jobs until you're finished with Endwalker.

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It’s the other way around: staying on a single job is a choice. No one is forced to do so: it’s called playing as you want. Shouldn’t be forced to level up other jobs. I can if I want but I shouldn’t be forced to.

I made an alt character just to play with some friends on a European DC and they needed a tank. Purchased a lvl boost on a tank and a story skip to a certain point and now I am locked because I gained 10 levels. Already have 3 chars with everything at 90 and everything unlocked and I have no intention of doing it again.

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Originally Posted by Eastwall

Well... Buy normal quality green gears is your solution. They shouldn't be expensive

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It’s still silly to require people to purchase gear just to queue a roulette when the gear itself is useless and will be scaled down since the content on which it could be useful is locked behind MSQ and can’t even pop. Personally I will just stop queuing AR unless they change it.

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

Or spend poetics

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Not possible: tome gear is locked behind MSQ which is why the lvl requirement alone without a check on MSQ progress is silly. Both the content (raids) and the tome gear are locked and inaccessible.

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

All they have to do is fix their code: if character level 70-80, set ilvl to x.

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That doesn't help, that's just what it's doing now.

It needs to check either your MSQ progress or which specific raids you have unlocked and set the ilvl according to those (and obviously the level of your current job)

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Originally Posted by Eastwall

Well... Buy normal quality green gears is your solution. They shouldn't be expensive

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Once I got to Shadowbringers, yes. But when I was in stormblood, this was literally unavailable to me. I was geared with stormblood poetics gear which was the highest available to me. Also one of my classes is at Lv88, so soon will be locked out from raid roulette until I finish both Stormblood and Endwalker

I've been thinking about this some more and what I think is a better solution:

• If you have an alliance raid unlock quest available to you, block alliance roulette until that questline is completed (and tell you which one you need to do)
• Use the new ILVL requirement table for but cap it at the level of the highest raid you have unlocked (so a lv80 class who has just unlocked Ivalice would be considered lv70 with an ILVL requirement of 305), but a lv60 class would still only need 175
• Make the Sky Pirates questline accessible without needing flying in the region (I have no idea if there's any weird prereq for the stormblood or endwalker raids as I'm not there yet)

Optional: Limit how many levels you can be dropped for this calculation in case someone deliberately doesn't progress MSQ to still force CT

This would close off the loophole of simply not unlocking any of the other raids, minimise inconvenience as unlock quests are fairly short (at least in my experience so far) and guarantee that the ILVL requirement is acheiveable based on your current progress.

Comedy option (terrible idea): remove ILVL requirements on alliance raid roulette completely, so you can end up in an endwalker raid with your ILVL 130 gear and get rekt

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

The point is it possible to change thing that way, and they should if they could. And should be continued to be pushed that way instead of saying "just force" people to do it this way. So do you at least agree that it's still possible to fix thing this way? Why you would argue less optimal and more invasive fixed when there are proof it's possible to do so otherwise.

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Is it possible from a technical stand point? But are they going to do it? No. After half a decade of people complaining how ridiculously overpowered, be it through sheer ilvl (CT) or job changes throughout the year, they've made it clear they have little appetite for wholesale changes. Furthermore, what you perceive has "less optimal" is entirely subjective. Even with EXP/Tome incentives, some people are still going to prefer baby mode CT and refuse to unlock the other raids. Putting in an ilvl sync will certainly help but we're so overpowered nowadays, we're still going to slaughter them.

Requiring you to unlock content to participate in a roulette intended to randomly queue you into said content is not unfair. You're ignoring the actual purpose of roulettes: to facilitate queues for less active content. Compensation is needed, and we can argue whether the current changes are sufficient but the end goal is variety not your preference.

Again, find a way to reward people so they want to play the content, don't force people to follow your (unfair) rule because that's how you teach them to resent it.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

Light, I even highlighted it for you ... come on.

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You did! Now I want you to re-read the sentence you highlighted. See where it says "some people?" Are you the "some people" I was referring to who only want CT because it's braindead? No? Congratulations, I wasn't talking about you! You're gaslighting yourself, my guy.

Putting all this silly nonsense aside, you keep insisting difficulty isn't a factor. Now that may be true for you, which I've already acknowledged previously. That isn't necessarily the case for others. People outright AFK in some of the easier content. That became an increasingly bigger problem for MSQ roulette. Without absurdly high EXP/tome incentives—to the point getting CT might be worth eating a penalty—a good chunk of people would either ilvl cheese (no longer an option) or simply refuse to unlock the raids altogether.

Regardless, you asked how I would fix it. You're welcome to disagree with my opinion but my opinion is to make all the 24 mans a mandatory unlock once you're completed the expansion they've released in. Basically, they all get the Crystal Tower treatment. I take that stance because I know it's far more likely they do that than overhaul the previous raids to where they aren't a complete joke. In an ideal world, old content would be reworked slightly or better synced so job changes throughout the years don't destroy it and we're not comically overpowered. Maybe we get the ilvl sync someday but after a decade (in the case of CT), I won't be holding my breath.

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Originally Posted by Erzaa

Blocked off, no. But Alliance Roulette gave 120 poetics or something like that? Plus the occasional new player bonus?

You personally see no problem with a player receiving less currency for playing the game more because it doesn't affect you.

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If a new player chooses not to use the resources at their disposal to gain the item level required to queue for the roulette, then you're right. I don't feel bad about it. I literally put out there that you can use the market board to meet the new item level requirement. Or can do like I've done for friends in the past and just when to the level 61/71/81 vendor and buy gear for them and give it to them.

New players are more resourceful than you think. They don't need you on here white knighting for them.

My issue is they still havent hit the route of the problem. The Ilvl for the raids are set too high so while this is nice getting different 24man more often [which welcome to the Nier era as that's all you will get now] you still absolutely smash the content.

I was excited to see the Ilvl sync for the EW last trial and was thinking here we go, he's gonna sync all major bosses and content so it's relevant for new players...but no. Absolutely shocking that they have went another year without fixing this glaring issue.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

If a new player chooses not to use the resources at their disposal to gain the item level required to queue for the roulette, then you're right. I don't feel bad about it. I literally put out there that you can use the market board to meet the new item level requirement. Or can do like I've done for friends in the past and just when to the level 61/71/81 vendor and buy gear for them and give it to them.

New players are more resourceful than you think. They don't need you on here white knighting for them.

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Of course, a free trial player who hits level 70 too early to have access to Stormblood vendors will simply go and buy gear off the marketboard! Or trade their friend for it!

I should have realised they'd be resourceful enough to do something that literally isn't possible.

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Originally Posted by DaichiSilurus

Of course, a free trial player who hits level 70 too early to have access to Stormblood vendors will simply go and buy gear off the marketboard! Or trade their friend for it!

I should have realised they'd be resourceful enough to do something that literally isn't possible.

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Free trial is, by design, there to incentivize people to buy the full game. Or are you also going to complain that people on free trials can't form parties with other players (they can join, but not form) they also can't hold more than a certain amount of gil. If this one raid is the major driver of them playing the game, then you're just proving the point of the free trial, which is to get them to buy the game and bring in revenue. I also have no problem with free trial players also being, again, temporarily locked out of one roulette.

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Originally Posted by DaichiSilurus

Of course, a free trial player who hits level 70 too early to have access to Stormblood vendors will simply go and buy gear off the marketboard! Or trade their friend for it!

I should have realised they'd be resourceful enough to do something that literally isn't possible.

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So you're telling me people who pay for the game have access to more of the game than people who don't pay? Like the end-goal of the trial is to get you to part with money? So obviously this is your first MMO because I don't think you realise just how forgiving the FF14 free trial is. Base game, expansions, constantly updated, play as long as you want, still allowed to use the chat... You know most free trials give you a 24 hour play time and you get like a handful of quests?

Also, wereotter said new player. Not free trial player. I mean, if you want to move goal posts, at least be good at it.

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Originally Posted by Asako

My issue is they still havent hit the route of the problem. The Ilvl for the raids are set too high so while this is nice getting different 24man more often [which welcome to the Nier era as that's all you will get now] you still absolutely smash the content.

I was excited to see the Ilvl sync for the EW last trial and was thinking here we go, he's gonna sync all major bosses and content so it's relevant for new players...but no. Absolutely shocking that they have went another year without fixing this glaring issue.

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ye, I think u can even fix the the CT raid with more aggressive ilvl sync.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

Or are you also going to complain that people on free trials can't form parties with other players (they can join, but not form) they also can't hold more than a certain amount of gil.

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These are all stated and deliberate limitations of the free trial. They have always been limitations of the free trial since it was expanded into its current form.

Being locked out of this roulette because you did the story too slowly is NOT an intended limitation of the trial. That's not why the ilvl sync was introduced. It's an accidental consequence of a badly designed fix, and a number of other people are also victims of it - new players with road to 80, players who just like to take the story slowly or do it on a certain schedule, completionists about side content. The free trial is just the most obviously egregious example of it because the workarounds people keep suggesting are not valid in their case.

Do you think the developers looked at people outlevelling the story and went "we need to inconvenience these people if they run alliance raid roulette!"? That obviously wasn't the target of this change, so don't act like it was designed to drive revenue, especially since it happened at the same time as they added an entire expansion to the free trial. It was a mistake that is hurting an innocent section of the userbase and it's one that should be fixed by adjusting the way the ilvl requirement is enforced.

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Originally Posted by Remolia

ye, I think u can even fix the the CT raid with more aggressive ilvl sync.

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I don't know. Level 50 has become so basic, that I'm not sure if it can be engaging anymore. Maybe for really new players, but I find there is only so much fun to be had when you have literally 1 button on a slow GCD to press for the majority of content. The current level 50 rotations could be moved down to level 1 it would barely raise the game's barrier to entry.

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Originally Posted by DaichiSilurus

These are all stated and deliberate limitations of the free trial. They have always been limitations of the free trial since it was expanded into its current form.

Being locked out of this roulette because you did the story too slowly is NOT an intended limitation of the trial. That's not why the ilvl sync was introduced. It's an accidental consequence of a badly designed fix, and a number of other people are also victims of it - new players with road to 80, players who just like to take the story slowly or do it on a certain schedule, completionists about side content. The free trial is just the most obviously egregious example of it because the workarounds people keep suggesting are not valid in their case.

Do you think the developers looked at people outlevelling the story and went "we need to inconvenience these people if they run alliance raid roulette!"? That obviously wasn't the target of this change, so don't act like it was designed to drive revenue, especially since it happened at the same time as they added an entire expansion to the free trial. It was a mistake that is hurting an innocent section of the userbase and it's one that should be fixed by adjusting the way the ilvl requirement is enforced.

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The devs only need to, and really should, care about the people actually paying for the game. The free trial should be a carrot that makes you want to purchase and subscribe to the game, but they have no need to deal with a very small subsection of players being, and I can't emphasize this enough, temporarily unable to engage with one piece of content. In fact, the devs may view this as either entirely intentional because it is something that encourages people to make the purchase, or a fortunate side effect because of how it works out. The impacted players haven't lost entire access to the roulette, they lost access to it for a period of time. And the only people who really lose it where they can do nothing about it are people on free trials. New, paying players can resolve this quite easily.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

I literally put out there that you can use the market board to meet the new item level requirement. Or can do like I've done for friends in the past and just when to the level 61/71/81 vendor and buy gear for them and give it to them.

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Not a solution, a workaround. The solution is to update the fix, so innocent players aren't punished for something they didn't cause in the first place.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

New players are more resourceful than you think. They don't need you on here white knighting for them.

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I'm not white knighting, I have a bone to pick in this fight because it also impacts me. You, on the other hand, seem to be intentionally obtuse on an issue that clearly doesn't impact you.

How does SE adding additional checks to unlock the roulette for everyone impacted, while maintaining the fix hurt you in any way? Or anyone else who seems intent to argue against it?

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Originally Posted by Erzaa

Not a solution, a workaround. The solution is to update the fix, so innocent players aren't punished for something they didn't cause in the first place.



I'm not white knighting, I have a bone to pick in this fight because it also impacts me. You, on the other hand, seem to be intentionally obtuse on an issue that clearly doesn't impact you.

How does SE adding additional checks to unlock the roulette for everyone impacted, while maintaining the fix hurt you in any way? Or anyone else who seems intent to argue against it?

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You're level 90. You're not on a free trial. You have options to solving the problem for minimum item level required of your own accord. If you choose not to take advantage of those solutions, then that's on you. This isn't any different from every major patch losing access to expert roulette and the minimum item level required to queue in being raised. You adjust and get the gear you need to run the content you want to run, or you don't run it. It's that simple.

You have every right to be upset if you want to be, but you're in the minority of players being negatively impacted here while the rest of the player base has been impacted by people cheesing item level for a decade now, and Square finally said "enough"

I'm not sure what more you want that wouldn't just cause the same problem to pop back up or would, in all likelihood, be impossible to implement with the game's existing code.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

You're level 90. You're not on a free trial. You have options to solving the problem for minimum item level required of your own accord. If you choose not to take advantage of those solutions, then that's on you.

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Not a solution, a workaround.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

You have every right to be upset if you want to be, but you're in the minority of players being negatively impacted here while the rest of the player base has been impacted by people cheesing item level for a decade now, and Square finally said "enough"

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I was also impacted by ilvl cheesing, just like everyone else. I support them fixing it, keyword being fix.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

I'm not sure what more you want that wouldn't just cause the same problem to pop back up or would

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The problem is already going to pop back up. All cheesers need to do now is get to level 90 having unlocked only CT, gear up (using your "solution" no less) and then force CT on everyone anyway.

Meanwhile, you have players who have unlocked additional raids (that variety everyone is looking for) who can't queue because of this.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

in all likelihood, be impossible to implement with the game's existing code.

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I doubt that, but if that's the case, then I'd like an official response from SE saying that's the case.

Until that happens, how does asking SE for a fix that would also include the players they forgot about, the edge cases, the minority, whatever, hurt anyone in this forum? Why are there so many responses against a fix that has nothing but a positive outcome for everyone?

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I wasn't believing it would prevent CT appearing a lot, so people who do this roulette, has it changed that you get CT?

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I haven't gotten any of the ARR raids yet since patch. First day I got the second EW raid, yesterday I got one of the SB raid, and today I got one of the Nier raids. So I am pretty happy so far with the changes.

It's definitely a step in the right direction, it's just that it's baby steps that should have been implemented years ago. This isn't something new that the community has had issues with, this has been going on for years now.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

I'm not sure what more you want that wouldn't just cause the same problem to pop back up or would, in all likelihood, be impossible to implement with the game's existing code.

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They can totally do it for AR: it's just adding one more condition. They just fixed Wondrous Tails to take into account MSQ progress and not just level. Idk why they didn't do it with AR.

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

They can totally do it for AR: it's just adding one more condition. They just fixed Wondrous Tails to take into account MSQ progress and not just level. Idk why they didn't do it with AR.

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Wonderous Tales doesn't use the same system as duty roulette.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

Wonderous Tales doesn't use the same system as duty roulette.

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It's just adding a condition. It's really not complicated. They use that throughout the game for various things, including vendors and quests appearing on the map. It’s very basic.

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

They can totally do it for AR: it's just adding one more condition. They just fixed Wondrous Tails to take into account MSQ progress and not just level. Idk why they didn't do it with AR.

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Off topic, but - the patch notes SAY they made a change here, but I'm in ShB patch content and my tails this week still contains level 90 dungeons and three different level 90 raids, so that's four duties on the list that I still can't do. Whatever they changed it isn't what it sounded like, or it only affects a limited set of duties.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

Wonderous Tales doesn't use the same system as duty roulette.

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There should have been an easy solution here, because the duty roulette knows what duties you have unlocked. That's... kind of fundamental to it being able to put you into them in the first place. Even before you're actually in matchmaking, it needs to check that you have at least two duties that you currently meet the requirements of, while we know from the way limited levelling roulette works that it's also capable of checking more narrowly (that specifically checks for duties within 8 levels of the job you're queueing on).

The obvious way to fix this is to check what the highest alliance raid you could manually queue for is, which the duty finder already has to be doing anyway before it can matchmake you, and base the ilvl requirement off that. Problem solved, people don't get locked out for no reason, people still can't prevent matchmaking for raids they have unlocked. And it doesn't matter that people just won't unlock the raids, because the current implementation does nothing to stop that either.

Checking your MSQ progress instead would also work to fix the problem but is likely harder to implement and the end result wouldn't be meaningfully different, it would just make you gear up to your current story (which you should be doing for MSQ dungeons anyway) even if you didn't unlock the raids.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

I'm not sure what more you want that wouldn't just cause the same problem to pop back up or would, in all likelihood, be impossible to implement with the game's existing code.

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You get a title for beating each base expansion, just use that instead it's not rocket science. They already use achievements and or titles as flags (for example makai gear repurchasing) so it's well within their abilities.

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Originally Posted by SwiftWing

Like the title says, why is the Alliance Raid roulette suddenly ilvl locked?

When you have all the expansions purchased, you can end up leveling all the way up to 90 while still being in HW or SB and still only having those alliance raids opened.

So I have a character who's only at the end of HW and just getting the Void Ark raids, but I'm being told I'm locked out of allaince raid roulette because I don't have ilvl 565 gear? When the highest alliance raid I have access to only requires 175 gear?

Does anyone know how I can remove that? Or if I can't, a way to ask SE to fix it so it goes by highest raid we have unlocked instead of level? (unless they're going to start locking levels by what content we're in)

No, I'm not trolling; yes, this is legitimately bothering me.

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Because people were getting sick and tired of doing Crystal Tower every single day for Alliance Roulette. If ONE person forgets to swap their gear, everyone gets CT.

I don't mind doing CT if someone is legit level 50 and doing it for the first time. But once you hit level 90, CT is a snooze fest. There are so much better Alliance raids and they are more fun to do because you actually need to do the mechanics.

I'm going to state it simply. I am mid-way through Stormblood. I started playing FFXIV less than a year ago. I like taking my time with the MSQ and most days all I want to do is a roulette or two, check on my retainers, hang out with my FC. I am on Dynamis so at some points I have seen 600%+ EXP buffs with the Road to 80. One MSQ roulette usually = 2+ levels gained, so you can level a job 50-60 in a week without even trying. I have levelled 11 of 19 jobs to 60 almost entirely via MSQ, tomestone events, and daily roulettes because I wanted to spread around some of that EXP. I only do MSQ on one job now because that alone is so much EXP. It's ridiculous. The point I am making is playing multiple jobs is completely insufficient to deal with overlevelling, it is not that simple so please stop saying it.

I have the level 50 & 60 alliance raids unlocked because that is what I have access to. I want to be able to do alliance raids with the jobs that I enjoy playing the most and am most comfortable with. I do not enjoy playing most of those 11 jobs I have levelled. And a lot of the time, queuing for the roulette is substantially faster than hard-queuing for individual raids. I enjoy alliance raids and want to play them more often, is that so strange?

I do not want to buy my level 90 jobs level 90 market board equipment because I do not *need* level 90 market board equipment. I have plenty of gil, that is not the problem. I entirely understand why the requirements have been introduced. It cannot be that hard to change the ilvl requirement to be based on the player's highest raid's level.

If I could have turned off Road to 80 when I finished ARR I completely would have, but now it feels like I'm being punished for simply being on Dynamis and not speedrunning the MSQ like a significant chunk of the replies on this thread seems to think you should. I hope someone from SquareEnix has more patience to read this thread than I do and appreciates what a disappointment this is for people who just want to have fun playing this game and aren't min-maxers or cheaters.