Say something negative about the game

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Originally Posted by Deo14

The problem is that all of this is so complex and entangled that people would rather give up and say nothing than risk punishment for choosing the wrong words, even though their intentions were good. The existence of a supposed 3-strike system for punishment, coupled with the inability to clear one's records, makes attempting to help others seem risky and not worth the hassle.

Just to clarify why this policy seems entangled to me. For example "it should be treated as advice only and not something that must be followed." this is just confusing, because most jobs, do have objectively only one way to do things. How pedantic this definition is? If I say that you can get rid debuff by Esuna (which is only way), does it break ToS? Technically, you can just let it run out. What if I personally don't know other way? Do I need to have perfect game knowledge? English in not my native language, will this be considered if I word something slightly wrong? Simply replacing "should" with "must" will break this policy. If GMs will give you some benefit of doubt because english is not your first language, does it mean that others can abuse it? This and many more makes it seem to me that it's just not worth criticizing or correcting someone.

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I mean, sure maybe, but just because some rule/policy feels intimidating to read/understand is not an excuse for not following them/making an effort to understand and comply. American Taxes come to mind.

The key thing is just what you're saying- it takes very little effort to word a sentence in a way that is appropriate. Moreover, if you read the rest of the ToS, it says the GMs evaluate the situation in entirety (as much as they can, anyway), and not just by a single sentence.

So, "This debuff can only be removed by Esuna. Could you please use it?" is vastly different from "This debuff can only be removed by Esuna. Why aren't you using it!?"

Similarly, it's easy to apply customer service-talk to make things more polite; aka "You have to use Iron Will to keep Enmity" can easily just be "The Iron Will ability allows you to keep Enmity. Can you turn it on?"

And even then, you can easily just add a "Sorry, English is not my native language" somewhere. Or, alternatively, there is an auto-translate system.



TL;DR, they aren't really critical of single-line sentences so much as barrages of verbal abuse and/or they do look at the whole situation and get a sense of whether it's just a misunderstanding or actual unnecessary rudeness.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

I mean, sure maybe, but just because some rule/policy feels intimidating to read/understand is not an excuse for not following them/making an effort to understand and comply. American Taxes come to mind.

The key thing is just what you're saying- it takes very little effort to word a sentence in a way that is appropriate. Moreover, if you read the rest of the ToS, it says the GMs evaluate the situation in entirety (as much as they can, anyway), and not just by a single sentence.

So, "This debuff can only be removed by Esuna. Could you please use it?" is vastly different from "This debuff can only be removed by Esuna. Why aren't you using it!?"

Similarly, it's easy to apply customer service-talk to make things more polite; aka "You have to use Iron Will to keep Enmity" can easily just be "The Iron Will ability allows you to keep Enmity. Can you turn it on?"

And even then, you can easily just add a "Sorry, English is not my native language" somewhere. Or, alternatively, there is an auto-translate system.



TL;DR, they aren't really critical of single-line sentences so much as barrages of verbal abuse and/or they do look at the whole situation and get a sense of whether it's just a misunderstanding or actual unnecessary rudeness.

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Well, yes, but my point is that if you do understand all policies around it, then I personally concluded that it's not worth it for me. Sure, you can just sprinkle some "please", "mind you if..." or other sweet nothings, but then there is factor of response it can generate, and potentially generate a conflict. Some people will have their ego in a way of criticism. Just some hypothetical scenario:

"If you mind, could you use Cure 2 instead? It's better in all ways than Cure 1"

"It's literally cheaper than Cure 2 and I can keep tank up with only that"

"That's because he doesn't pull W2W, since he doubts you are capable of keeping him alive"

"Are you calling me bad? You know, I'm healer, I think I know better about healing than some SAM"

Now what? It achieved nothing, but made me want to slap that egoistical motherfucker. Now I'm tilted, and if I try point out how dumb he is, he will just report me and I'll be (rightfully) in wrong. If I'll keep talking, then he already made his mind and it will only escalate conflict, others in group will be annoyed and dungeon will turn into a debate. So I'll be forced to shut up to not make situation worse, which is something I hate with passion. If someone is being dick, I want to tell them, but in this game, I can't, so I'll just stick to avoiding anything that could cause a conflict. I learned that not from reading ToS, but from my own experience (nothing involving reports, but infuriating none the less).

Also, people are simply not trusting authorities. It's nice to say that "GMs will just handle the situation", but where's the guarantee?

All those non-violation examples is so on the nose of walking on eggshells.

It is so round about in getting your message across that to many it is too much effort which is why people rather just not say anything and just leave if no progress is being made. When the latest Raid dropped and a full week has passed, I remember having a Dancer that died to every easy to dodge mechanic and our group WHM was trying to be as patient with that person as possible (Bless them), giving advise and also ending up doing Party Chat callouts but the Dancer kept dying. Since the WHM was trying to do Party Chat callouts, while babysitting this Dancer and doing the P12 boss mechanics, the WHM is was also making mistakes.

After like 45 min of constant wipes, the WHM was slowly losing patience but kept walking on eggshells to help the DNC and then the DNC says: "Dude chill, stop telling me how to do this, let me figure it out." that broke the teams patience and someone initiated a vote kick, got rid of the DNC and then the PLD threw a hissy fit because we kicked his friend and so we had long arguments to him, wiped a few times because the PLD was griefing, ending up kicking him and once those two were gone and got replacements the fight was like night and day.

Sometimes being nice and walking on eggshells doesn't get things across, it mostly does the opposite and then arguments keeps going in circles. Yes you should never call people Stupid, dumb, idiot or anything of the sort but come on, people that play this game aren't toddlers that need protection, people need to grow a thicker skin.

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Originally Posted by Deo14

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All fair points, and ultimately YES it is 99% the case that it's just not worth saying anything- especially in a 1 off duty where you're never gonna meet these people again and worst case the duty might take ~10min more because of a derpy player.

But that's also why they talk about how groups get to decide how they wanna play (w2w, or whatnot) and if there is need for discussion, it can boil down to differences in play style, a your having the option to nope out of there.

...but again, none of that is even remotely worth it in regular play. More so if the player is trolling to fake being offended.

Raids.. I don't really do raids tbh, so I can't really comment..but I would hope there is the option for discussion between wipes to discuss problems (it's what I do w/ friends when we low-man content for fun..but we ARE friends).

I hate Hildi and always have.

I'm sick of Roes always being the butt of the joke and Hroths/Viera being neglected.

I'm angry Bozja was rushed at the end with the person in charge of it just being let go without warning.

Combat is pretty bland with everything being cookie cutter to fit in the burst window, many roles are copy/paste for 90% of their abilities.

My number one beef with the game as it currently stands is the levels that jobs get things makes downsyncing suck and since I do a lot of downsyncing, I wish they would sort that out.

needs more cowbell

No polyphony in bard music system.

When I'm crafting and I want to move 2 inches to the left I have to completely close the crafting menu, wait for my character to stand up, move, then re-open the crafting menu.

Also I can't be a Lopporit.

Cannot be a proper pirate in game cause SE doesn't let player characters have access to booze.

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

Cannot be a proper pirate in game cause SE doesn't let player characters have access to booze.

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Ummm. . A Realm Reborn Red exists.

There's also the ale mug toast emote.

Not good enough. I need to be able to have my character drink 742 bottles of liquor and be drunk for 3 RL months like I did back in Ultima Online... >.>

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

There's also the ale mug toast emote.

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I bought for my Lalafell alt because I love the Dwarves so much! xD

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

Not good enough. I need to be able to have my character drink 742 bottles of liquor and be drunk for 3 RL months like I did back in Ultima Online... >.>

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Even WoW had multiple alcoholic items that blurs your screen and sways your movement if you drank too much.

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Originally Posted by OM3GA-Z3RO

Even WoW had multiple alcoholic items that blurs your screen and sways your movement if you drank too much.

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WoW was also hacked by Mr. T in the past who added a Mohawk class and Mohawk grenades... :P

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

Their refusal to implement instanced housing is absolutely infuriating.

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Second this; probably one of the most glaring issues with the game. Subjective issues with gameplay aside, there's people who simply aren't able to participate, even if they have the gil necessary to do so. It's like a lack of content that you hit even though it literally exists, and they have the ability to solve the problem. Even if you're willing to leave your datacenter to go to what people constantly claim as a dead one, they've locked a chunk of the wards so you cant buy them until those are inevitably unbearably full as well. They've just made the entire experience insufferable for no reason

In general though there's just a ton of obviously repurposed stuff to save money; in really obvious ways and it just leaves a horrible taste in your mouth when you see it. Like I've been told they make more money off of this game than any other project, and I have absolutely no trouble believing that because it's as clear as gravity literally just based off of visible things in-game.

Like the reason there isn't cross-class glam isn't any kind of actual engine limitation (because it isn't) but simply because if you give a lvl 80 maiming class access to lvl 60 fending gear a couple patches after, you've increased the pool of things the maiming class can wear rather than actually modeling something new for it. There's an analogy to be made here but I can't think of one that's down to earth so no one accuses me of comparing it to real world suffering. Same goes for dyeable stuff (with the exclusion of savage gear, where dying is actually an appropriate reward). And the fact that they've just given up on making headgear for Viera and Hrothgar. I don't even play one and I feel bad for them, man. Like how high could the budget be outside of operating costs if you barely makes 10 new actually uniquely modeled sets of gear every 3 years?

It's just a sad state for SE's most profitable game. I feel more negative about it than I feel positive and I only log in anymore because other people want me to.

How has it taken so long to find a solution to gifting all items on mogstation? A friend's birthday is coming up and I wanted to give him a Ruby Carbuncle mount. I will just give him money via Paypal to buy it but the fact they never found a solution to gifting mounts is rather odd.

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Originally Posted by Xeronia

How has it taken so long to find a solution to gifting all items on mogstation? A friend's birthday is coming up and I wanted to give him a Ruby Carbuncle mount. I will just give him money via Paypal to buy it but the fact they never found a solution to gifting mounts is rather odd.

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They were never looking for a solution. And the question is if there even is a solution to people falling for scam links and payment processors having to deal with bunch of chargebacks.

stale, stuck in 2003, refusal to adapt, sticky floors/terrain, story which is long and bad enough to be considered torture and have multiple threads made about it. And a mentor system that is just an addon for duty finder that doesn't actually include teaching people. tons of convoluted systems that can be simplified, people say its simplified but you need 3 hotbars for abilities its bloated as hell. It's like your grandmas fridge that was bought in 1975 she still has it even when she died in 2022 and its too late then, and now the new owners will just throw it away and buy a new one.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

They were never looking for a solution. And the question is if there even is a solution to people falling for scam links and payment processors having to deal with bunch of chargebacks.

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Other games have scammers and don't have these problems. They implemented a friends only to gifting on other items and I fail to see how it would take this long to add that to mounts with a longer period needed on friends list to gift them. As it stands when I try to gift an outfit to a friend the rules are thus:

* You may only send gifts to friends who have been on your friend list for more than 72 hours.
* You may be unable to send gifts to a friend depending on the state of their service account.
* Gifts purchased via fraudulent means are subject to cancellation at any time, including after being sent.

I see no reason we can't apply this to mounts with a longer time frame required on friends list to negate scamming.

They don't let you be an antihero type that lets you choose who you want to help. What if you didn't want to join the Scion side but wanted to join the Garlean side.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

They don't let you be an antihero type that lets you choose who you want to help. What if you didn't want to join the Scion side but wanted to join the Garlean side.

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Better question. What if I wanted to dress like a clown and disrupt the balance of the warring triad? >.>

Well.... The friends list for one, 200 isn't enough especially when you have to add friends alts separately. It would also make it easier to manage if it showed you when a person was last on like the Fc list dies.
Veteran Awards.... If you've played long enough you'll agree...

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the blacklist system. please for the love of Hydaelyn and Zodiark both, fix it! I'm not a fan of the fact that when you blacklist somebody they can still search for your name and see where you're at in-game.

it's rare when I feel the need to blacklist someone but I feel like it's a pointless feature especially if you're dealing with obsessed stalkers and abusive people. ugh....

ffxiv minions.

This game enables bad players

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

This game enables bad players

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Saying dangerous facts.

Gonna have to be put in a Witness Protection Act

FFXIV caters to bad players more than the hardcore and midcore players.

The fact that you can't actively speak negatively of any aspect of the game - without being attacked/harassed/name-called/etc that is - is in itself a negative thing.

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Originally Posted by Voltyblast

The fact that you can't actively speak negatively of any aspect of the game - without being attacked/harassed/name-called/etc that is - is in itself a negative thing.

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The same happens to people who say positive things about the game.

So the Attacking/Harassment/name-calling/etc happens on both sides.

Which is in itself a Negative Thing.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

The same happens to people who say positive things about the game.

So the Attacking/Harassment/name-calling/etc happens on both sides.

Which is in itself a Negative Thing.

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Maybe, but it happens less on the other side. But nowadays I don't talk at all ingame as I've stopped interacting entirely.

I could write a book from how many times my "negativity" got me into trouble in this game. Never happened in others though but apparently, as my "old friend" told me, I'm apparently the toxic one who daring to speak up, not the ones who threatened me in game.

Jobs are too balanced

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Originally Posted by Voltyblast

Maybe, but it happens less on the other side.

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Irrelevant if one side is meaner then the other, or is louder...it happens on both sides regardless.
And it needs to stop. On-BOTH-Sides, no matter if its in-game, or on the Forums or whatever.
Nobody deserves that, over an opinion of a Videogame.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Irrelevant if one side is meaner then the other, or is louder...it happens on both sides regardless.
And it needs to stop. On-BOTH-Sides, no matter if its in-game, or on the Forums or whatever.
Nobody deserves that, over an opinion of a Videogame.

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To be frank, I don't see very often people getting attacked saying positive things about the game to that degree - only examples I can probably think of out of the blue are, well, BLU or the cash shop - so I don't really have much of a say in this, as I don't personally see it often and I've been playing for almost 10 years now. Maybe I'm blind at those types of comments so I don't know what to say to that.

I'm not saying you're lying, just that I don't know many examples here, and if there are they must be very uncommon.

But I do agree, it is bad regardless of whether it's a positive or a negative opinion. Nobody should be attacked for that.

the toxic community

The fear of not knowing which job is going to get gutted so they can reuse the mechanics for one of the next expansion's jobs. ヾ( •́д•̀ ; )ﾉ

The endless cycle of dumbing down & making a bigger dum-dum.

The 2 minute window. Combat is so awful now that I don't even bother doing as much content as I used to. It's just not fun.