PSA: Do not undercut people by 50k gil or more

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Originally Posted by Venari

I just talked to a GM after I reported a retainer on the market board that undercut me by 50k gil on Kupo Coffer. Undercutting is not only rude but when you undercut by so much you crash the market, and everyone makes 50k gil less thanks to your impatience. Now thanks to that person Kupo Coffer is only 40k. Hopefully that person gets banned. You do NOT troll on the market board unless you want to get reported by everyone else. Learn to match other people's price and wait patiently.



Wrong. If no one undercut it will still be 90k and people will still buy it.

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Reporting someone for undercutting is abuse of the reporting system and frankly a waste of a GM's time. The aren't going to penalize another player for selling an item at a price that you don't like.

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Originally Posted by Darkstride

Reporting someone for undercutting is abuse of the reporting system and frankly a waste of a GM's time. The aren't going to penalize another player for selling an item at a price that you don't like.

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"Paying Customer" is a titanmen alt. They did not report someone for undercutting. This scenario is as likely as the earth being flat.

I will not play an undercut war with someone going by tiny amounts of gil.
If you don't keep my price match and instead lower yours, then I'm going to crash the market indeed.

Being upset is one thing, but you really called a GM to report the player? That's crazy

Crafting materials and consumables: match market price

Gear or rare items: Sell it for the amount of effort it took to produce, relative to the level of the equipment.

If the latter means I see a piece of level 64 gear listed as 75K and I made it in two seconds with scraps I found in the pocket lint of my retainers, then I'm going to sell it for 25K instead and make 25K in fast profit while your grossly overpriced piece of gear languishes unsold.

Deal with it.

Me omw to undercut everyone :
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Originally Posted by Ranaku

"Paying Customer" is a titanmen alt. They did not report someone for undercutting. This scenario is as likely as the earth being flat.

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It's unfortunate, because legit threads whining about it are inevitably funny.

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Originally Posted by Venari

I just talked to a GM after I reported a retainer on the market board that undercut me by 50k gil on Kupo Coffer. Undercutting is not only rude but when you undercut by so much you crash the market, and everyone makes 50k gil less thanks to your impatience. Now thanks to that person Kupo Coffer is only 40k. Hopefully that person gets banned. You do NOT troll on the market board unless you want to get reported by everyone else. Learn to match other people's price and wait patiently.



Wrong. If no one undercut it will still be 90k and people will still buy it.

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Sounds like a skill issue
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if you keep undercutting me by 1gil then i'll just make us both poor.


s u f f e r

This threads really making the rounds on social media. :rolleyes:

Stop bothering GMs with your BS, there is nothing they can do about someone undercutting you, you know what I do if someone undercuts me by that much? buy it and relist it for the price I was going to put it up at.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

This threads really making the rounds on social media. :rolleyes:

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Yo nice, cant wait for 1 post count andys to come in, fall for the bait and parrot everyone else in the thread.

Depends on the severity of the undercutting or my mood that day.

If it is an easy to farm or a craft able item, I tend to just get a few more to put up on the MB and just drop the price to a ridiculously amount. Usually 30-60% off depending on the item and its value.

If it is something a little bit more hard/RNG to obtain like Nightmare Pegasus mount or something. I will play that undercut game for a bit. When I have had enough, I usually drop it just enough were its sweatin' territory. If people undercut more than that, I pull it off the MB till either it goes back up in price or the competition sells theirs. Someone lost 3mil that day. I sold mine for the OG price I put it up.

The only thing I never undercut was my Egg Fuu Young because some guy would buy it everyday for the same price, regardless of undercutters and I didn't know what to do, so kept it at the same price for months.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

This is a game, not real life. It's normal to be competitive

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Wait till you find out RL is competetive. Tell the market cut lecture to the greedy ********************* **** **** **** that did the 2008 financial crisis / housing bubble or china for literally going to conventions and fotographing and copying stuff because they don't acknoledge trademarks, or the farmers...

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

What happened to respecting the player's time?

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Who does that? The game doesn't even do that. Yeah people claim it does because they compare it to WasteyOurtimesimulator... W

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

If you really have the competitive drive that you claim to have, why aren't you trying to compete elsewhere, like pvp?

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What-aboutism! Nice one. If YOU don't like markets that why do you engage with the system?


I don't even know why so many players want to have 10000 million-gajillion gil. What are you even going to do with them? Unless you are one of those gil seller... oh...

Obvious bait but it's a funnily contentious topic.

I'll undercut by however much I feel is necessary. I undercut all of NA for some items because those are items people will travel for to buy in bulk. Other items sometimes I just undercut by one. If the undercuts are too aggressively frequent I start undercutting more and more.

I make a ton of gil this way. Even if that means undercutting you by 50%. Even if you buy up my entire stock, I'll still always make sure I profit and I may just come right back with another stockpile of market listings.

Free market. Learn to play it smart if you want to make gil.

Not that it has much use being a point anyways.

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Originally Posted by Totomo-Omo

Obvious bait but it's a funnily contentious topic.

I'll undercut by however much I feel is necessary. I undercut all of NA for some items because those are items people will travel for to buy in bulk. Other items sometimes I just undercut by one. If the undercuts are too aggressively frequent I start undercutting more and more.

I make a ton of gil this way. Even if that means undercutting you by 50%. Even if you buy up my entire stock, I'll still always make sure I profit and I may just come right back with another stockpile of market listings.

Free market. Learn to play it smart if you want to make gil.

Not that it has much use being a point anyways.

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Exactly. I specialize in stuff that costs me damned little to make. I can make a profit at 400, and a bigger profit at 800 or 1000 each. If you want to undercut me, and keep on the 1 gil thing, I'll just cut it by 20 or 30% the next time, whatever it takes to tempt you into buying out my low-priced stuff and re-listing it. I'll just stop posting that product and let it cool while you get stuck with the stuff you bought that I already got most the profit out of.

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Originally Posted by Venari

I just talked to a GM after I reported a retainer on the market board that undercut me by 50k gil on Kupo Coffer. Undercutting is not only rude but when you undercut by so much you crash the market, and everyone makes 50k gil less thanks to your impatience. Now thanks to that person Kupo Coffer is only 40k. Hopefully that person gets banned. You do NOT troll on the market board unless you want to get reported by everyone else. Learn to match other people's price and wait patiently.



Wrong. If no one undercut it will still be 90k and people will still buy it.

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Amazon got rich undercutting the comp since they could supply more for cheaper, hustle and grind 5ever

5d chess by op, pissing off everyone to the point of massively undercutting every listed item in spite, all so they could buy it for those prices.

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Originally Posted by Venari

I just talked to a GM after I reported a retainer on the market board that undercut me by 50k gil on Kupo Coffer. Undercutting is not only rude but when you undercut by so much you crash the market, and everyone makes 50k gil less thanks to your impatience. Now thanks to that person Kupo Coffer is only 40k. Hopefully that person gets banned. You do NOT troll on the market board unless you want to get reported by everyone else. Learn to match other people's price and wait patiently.



Wrong. If no one undercut it will still be 90k and people will still buy it.

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will undercut by 75k next time just because you want me too. Seriously each and everyone of us has been undercut that way atleast once, get over it.

I want this to be a secret conspiracy to reduce the price of rare items on the market board and Kupo Coffers in particular. Who farms those for profit anyway, is it even worth doing?

Gotta learn the ABCs of business.

Always Be Cutting

I am the sole arbiter of market value. It's me. I'm the guy. I never undercut. I only expose people who overcharge.

This makes me want to sell a Kupo Coffer for 20K now.

Don't want me to undercut by 50k? Fine. Don't undercut me by 1. When I put something on the marketboard, I always put it up for the current price and just let it ride. It'll sell eventually. You one of these cute people that undercut the current price by 1 just so they can have their listing first, then screw you. At the very least, I'll sell my thing first and you get to wait longer, at best I wreck the market and you'll have to sell it for less. I'm more then happy to burn my house down as long as you get caught in the flames.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

Gotta learn the ABCs of business.

Always Be Cutting

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Always Be Closing. How do you close? Undercut to be next sale.

All that buyers care about is purchasing the first item on the list. They don't care if it is undercut by 1 gil or 100000 gil. That's what they'll buy - everytime.

It's not about the money, it's about sending a message.

Remember.....Lower Sales, Drive more Sales.
...sometimes

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Originally Posted by RaideDuku

At the very least, I'll sell my thing first and you get to wait longer, at best I wreck the market and you'll have to sell it for less. I'm more then happy to burn my house down as long as you get caught in the flames.

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That is an absurdly toxic take and a terrible response to how any market works. If you don't play the market game, then you lose, and the response shouldn't be to destroy everything out of spite because you're riding on a moral high horse.

There's no egalitarian idea that because you post your item for market value that someone shouldn't or won't undercut it for 1 Gil. The value of the item differs between you and the other person, and the person who ends up buying it. When there are lots of high value items on the market, the only way to even remain competitive is to make sure your listing is the one people click first. If people aren't buying thing then prices drop necessarily until they reach a point where people start buying, quantity goes down, which raises demand back up.

If you're patient and want to leave your item up there for the high prices and want to take the risk of the item losing its value over time so no one buys it at all, then that's your choice. But to rage so hard against someone doing the in-game equivalent of pricing their items $9.99 is absolutely out of line.

The next time you buy something on sale or something that's $1 or 1 cent cheaper, maybe you'll remember this. This is a competition and you're not owed anything. I would recommend undercutting by 1 Gil and see how it feels to join the rest of literally everyone. It's not 50k, it's 1 Gil, and the result is the prices remain steady and all you're doing is going out in front of your store every day and taking a marker to your price sign.

And there's only one rule to know: 1 Gil undercuts sell. And your things won't. You can either get angry at that, or chill out and learn how to play the game, because it's not changing. And remember, every time you post an item on the market for a price, you have irreversibly affected what prices other people will choose for their items, and the only place prices go after that is down.

So, l gather material while queuing for cc, and that allowed me to sell raid food and lev food a lot cheaper than others. So l should get banned for it? Is this communism?

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Originally Posted by dspguy

Always Be Closing. How do you close? Undercut to be next sale.

All that buyers care about is purchasing the first item on the list. They don't care if it is undercut by 1 gil or 100000 gil. That's what they'll buy - everytime.

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I don't know about others. But when I'm purchasing something off the market board there are many times I will scroll down. I can actually at times find a better bargain further down the list.

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Originally Posted by Eastwall

So, l gather material while queuing for cc, and that allowed me to sell raid food and lev food a lot cheaper than others. So l should get banned for it? Is this communism?

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Excuse me Mr. Square Enix, please ban this character! /s

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Originally Posted by Ishe-P

Excuse me Mr. Square Enix, please ban this character! /s

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I have Yoshi-P on speed dial. Calling in airstrike now.

i will keep undercutting people, if you dont like it you can just buy my stuff and flip it for profit

isnt that a win for both of us?

I sell to get stuff out of my inventory. It's all just venture returns, dungeon drops, and whatever I felt like spending Poetics or Company Seals on this week. Profit is secondary when I'm at 83 million with nothing I particularly feel like buying. Therefore, I can undercut all I want and feel nothing about it.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

I sell to get stuff out of my inventory. It's all just venture returns, dungeon drops, and whatever I felt like spending Poetics or Company Seals on this week. Profit is secondary when I'm at 83 million with nothing I particularly feel like buying. Therefore, I can undercut all I want and feel nothing about it.

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Unrelated but can I borrow some gil

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Originally Posted by bonickhausen

i will keep undercutting people, if you dont like it you can just buy my stuff and flip it for profit

isnt that a win for both of us?

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Undercut till the market crashes. Buy up everything left after the fire sale, relist at former high price. Tried n true method before the bots came in. Haven't tried in a while now....and I'm pretty sure that's all they do now.

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Originally Posted by Venari

Undercutting is not only rude but when you undercut by so much you crash the market, and everyone makes 50k gil less thanks to your impatience. Now thanks to that person Kupo Coffer is only 40k.

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You see it as rude because your sole concern is the profit coming to sellers. If you were also concerned about buyers, you would see that it all evens out: sellers make 50k less, sure, that's "bad" for them; but buyers save 50k, and that's good for them.

Lowering the prices on the market is a boon to the people who buy. The idea that this is objectively bad or in any way worthy of GM intervention is silly. All in all, it sounds like you just don't want to have to deal with competing against people who are willing to pass on the savings to their customers.

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Originally Posted by dspguy

All that buyers care about is purchasing the first item on the list. They don't care if it is undercut by 1 gil or 100000 gil. That's what they'll buy - everytime.

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I can understand why you might think this, but it's not entirely true. If I see two prices and one is a trivial amount lower, I'll intentionally buy the higher one. Undercutting is beautiful, but if you're going to do it, make sure the savings is worth more than the satisfaction savvy buyers will get from bypassing your weak undercut.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Unrelated but can I borrow some gil

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I ain't givin' no Loch Ness Monster no tree-fitty!