Constant Vulgarity in Public Chat. WHY is this allowed?

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Originally Posted by Ralphe2449

Well yeah, the random rp groups in group finder dont come to the forums and demand dev resources to be focused more on them because they unironically believe they are more important than the average casual player.

Though considering how much you puritans seem to be upset about their mere public existence, I wouldnt be surprised if you believe they have some ultimate secret agenda xD

If you were genuinely annoyed by spam you would merely focus on that, yet you are laser focused on the adult aspect of it

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I've literally only mentioned spam and the rmt aspect of it. You are the one who keeps bringing up sex.



Maybe you have an obsession lol.



And there are tons of threads on here demanding the devs make content for all aspects. You just like to focus on the ones that require a higher skill level than you can meet.



I don't do ultimates or most difficult side content outside savage. I'm no elite, my group still hasn't cleared p8s yet.



Maybe focus more on you instead of perceived issues of others.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

If you need the public chat to socialize with others you are anyways lost in my eyes. Nobody needs the public chat tbh, it's just memes and advertisement anyways. People talk on discord, in linkshells or fc chats and even groups. If you really want to "not play the game alone" then do that instead of crying about something that isn't used to socialize anyways.

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Not sure what you mean. I see constant chatting and socializing in say, link shells, FC chat, even roulettes occasionally (though roulettes are of course usually just o/ and tyfp) And it isn't all spam and adverts either lol.

I blacklist 'em.

Won't stop you from accidentally getting rolled into a roulette with them one day, but will definitely shut them up in shout chat in Limsa.

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Originally Posted by Anienai

Antares-08 and Moonguard

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Vaiken Spacedock.

vaiken was nowhere near as bad lol

Wait, people that don't want to see erp spam ads are considered puritans around here?

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Originally Posted by Catwho

I blacklist 'em.

Won't stop you from accidentally getting rolled into a roulette with them one day, but will definitely shut them up in shout chat in Limsa.

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At least they're not going to ERP in the roulette, right?
...right?

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Originally Posted by Ralphe2449

And you think some nightclub ads are a problem? Damn puritans are funny

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people who dislike spam is puritans? i admit that i enjoy going to some of these clubs occasionally for the social aspect, but what i dont like is the spam that these clubs do. it's not just in shout (though that is annoying as well), but also in PF. and before you say this is just a crystal experience, ive been on the other data centers and it plagues them too.

1 ad per club would be okay in my opinion, but these things are literally flooding it. it makes finding anything worthwhile nearly impossible. here are a few examples.

https://i.imgur.com/6TBeApC.png
https://i.imgur.com/I6hyRD9.png
https://i.imgur.com/cRRup7r.png

i am not a puritan by any means, but i also dislike spam. i would be annoyed if these were completely PG related events, it doesn't matter what they are

PF has a specific function called "filter by what you want" so choosing "All" and then complaining there's too much spam when it includes OTHER category which can be literally anything sounds like you are making it a problem.

Other means everything else, so they are putting it on the correct place, there's literally one advertising art

If you use PF to find groups for content then you dont use other, simple and easy.

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Originally Posted by Ralphe2449

PF has a specific function called "filter by what you want" so choosing "All" and then complaining there's too much spam when it includes OTHER category which can be literally anything sounds like you are making it a problem.

Other means everything else, so they are putting it on the correct place, there's literally one advertising art

If you use PF to find groups for content then you dont use other, simple and easy.

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have you considered there are other things in the "other" category people might want to look for? as such as that single one advertising art that is being flooded by REPEATED ad spam. why are you so adamant on defending spam?

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Originally Posted by Ralphe2449

PF has a specific function called "filter by what you want" so choosing "All" and then complaining there's too much spam when it includes OTHER category which can be literally anything sounds like you are making it a problem.

Other means everything else, so they are putting it on the correct place, there's literally one advertising art

If you use PF to find groups for content then you dont use other, simple and easy.

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As said already, there's way more than just nightclub spam held in the Other tab: photographers, omnicrafters, gatherers, people looking for someone to chat to, people selling things cheaper than MB, people trying to buy/sell workshop mats & hard to get furniture like Doman Enclave ones or past seasonal events....I can literally go on for a while.

You don't see any of them posting multiple ads for themselves or hiring others to do that, what gives nightclubs the excuse?

Bruh that's like not a Seraph thing, it's a whole game major city kind of thing. They have every right to use the shout chat as much as you. If you don't like it, then block them. If they are reportable, report them.

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Originally Posted by Ralphe2449

PF has a specific function called "filter by what you want" so choosing "All" and then complaining there's too much spam when it includes OTHER category which can be literally anything sounds like you are making it a problem.

Other means everything else, so they are putting it on the correct place, there's literally one advertising art

If you use PF to find groups for content then you dont use other, simple and easy.

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Also, keep in mind that none of the adverts on Zomkei's posts are tagged. Meaning they're all going to appear in the "Others" tab, because otherwise you'd have a little icon depicting what sort of content it is.

Meaning the spam is on the Others tab. Even if there is someone advertising art, they're one in a sea of these such ads.
And it very much is a spam. Catgirl Hooters appears in the first two, with different people putting up those ads.

I get there being multiple of these venues, and thus you'll naturally see many of these. But repeated ads starts making the problem larger.

I'm trying to remember if I've seen anything vulgar... And I can't. Nightclubs =/= ERP. It means dancing and drinking, which, yeah irl can lead to going home with someone, but more often, it means hanging out and having a good time with friends, which is what probably happens 90% of the time in Nightclub venues.

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Originally Posted by dynus

I'm trying to remember if I've seen anything vulgar... And I can't. Nightclubs =/= ERP. It means dancing and drinking, which, yeah irl can lead to going home with someone, but more often, it means hanging out and having a good time with friends, which is what probably happens 90% of the time in Nightclub venues.

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Nightclubs =/= RP or ERP. It's clubbing, or at the very least letting your braincells rot watching some random pretend to be a DJ while getting exploited by the staff at the same time.

There's a lot that would have to be changed for me to believe that it's any form of roleplay lol. As of right now all I see is a business where "an RP experience" is used to squeeze money out of patrons.

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Originally Posted by Morganti

I don't mean a dirty word here or there, I mean why is it there are giant ads for your brothels and nightclubs with 'services' basically ALL the time?

Ok, I didn't know about Balmung being THAT server when I joined but I leave for Seraph as soon as it was allowed and boom... here they are again, absolutely disgusting ads and ceaseless spam about adult topics and if you say a word against it YOU are the one with an account warning.

I love this game but I do not understand why this filth has to be in public channels ALL THE TIME.

Is there a server that has people focused on the game and not brothels and constantly putting down anybody who is not into that?

I know I can just turn off public chat but if I wanted to play a game alone I would not be on a MMO. I have played a LOT of MMOs and by FAR the worst about this is FF.

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get a life. "Constant Vulgarity in Public Chat. WHY is this allowed" sounds like why people dare to use "MY" Public Chat. how dare they. you don't need to police peoples lives.

Seraph...the fairy girlfriend that gets THICC...

Yeah, I can see how that happened...

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

I have a very simple solution for you

Dont open the link.

Dont like the clubs ? Mute shout and yells.

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You must make a great customer service representative.

"Hello I'd like to report an issue with my package."

"Here's a solution, don't open the box."

It's that kind of energy.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

As said already, there's way more than just nightclub spam held in the Other tab: photographers, omnicrafters, gatherers, people looking for someone to chat to, people selling things cheaper than MB, people trying to buy/sell workshop mats & hard to get furniture like Doman Enclave ones or past seasonal events....I can literally go on for a while.

You don't see any of them posting multiple ads for themselves or hiring others to do that, what gives nightclubs the excuse?

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Most of the people you listed are people who work solo, photographer takes pics alone, omnicarfter/gatherer does their thing alone, same for people selling it - its one person selling it. Clubs usually consist of multiple people, just like FCs, so its normal those advertise more, since ultimately every person is entitled to advertise their thing.

I do the same with housing designs, I advertise, and I have my assistant do the same after 30 minutes when I start, for more exposure.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Alright, here's the thing... Clearly people aren't stupid. It's obvious that OP is referring to those spaces. In fact, I stand corrected! OP's own first post says as much:


The issue that we didn't know was what about it was filthy. Their existence? Or what was in the messages? But whenever asked, OP refused to elaborate. When I say that other people were incredulous, what I mean is that their responses were "wait, ok sure, those exist, but they're rather tame, no filthy language or anything explicit generally happens". HOWEVER given what you just wrote, you have a similar experience to what OP might have had. Which, yes, it does counter the incredulity a bit. This does happen, it seems, rare though it may be. And perhaps mockery for it wasn't the best approach.

For that I will at least apologize to OP for contributing to the mocking discourse.

However, I will also ask. Is "companions for the night" and stuff like that truly so bad? I mean, we obviously know what might happen. But that's what I'm legitimately curious about. If you asked ME if that was raunchy, even with me fully aware that it's about ERP, I'd say "no". In fact, I asked for a private "dance" at a venue once. I was 100% not interested in ERP, I just had a talk with the roleplayer. Literally nothing happened :x Also kinda helps that I'm a gay man IRL playing a Hrothgar and the other person was playing a Female Viera, I literally had zero interest to begin with xD (I just want to RP with text like normal T_T)
So for me, the language has nothing "filthy" about it. Hence why I don't understand the dilemma. Is it the action itself being presented? Because... I mean, don't we all know ERP happens in certain corners? :|

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I'm telling you man, come make an RP alt on aether, you'll enjoy the RP community I'm part of, and it involves absolutely zero afking/emote spamming in venues while calling it RP and 100% actual RP scenes and plots. I'd even help you get the stuff you need for glam or whatever, I understand starting over sucks lol :P

*This invitation goes for anyone who has an actual interest in RP, just send me a message in game.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Nightclubs =/= RP or ERP. It's clubbing, or at the very least letting your braincells rot watching some random pretend to be a DJ while getting exploited by the staff at the same time.

There's a lot that would have to be changed for me to believe that it's any form of roleplay lol. As of right now all I see is a business where "an RP experience" is used to squeeze money out of patrons.

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It's *technically* RP when the staff assume the role of a staff member and play as that character... but in the venues I've visited, that's a very small percent of the interactions going on.

Maybe I'm just spoiled coming from D&D, I dunno.

Live and let live.

I don't really see any issue myself with those adds. What I do find annoying is when somebody decides to spam it every 5 seconds.

It would be nice if SE would finally update the dated 90's chat system in this game and allow us to create extra tabs but also add something like a LFM (Looking For More) for RP activities, and also dedicated recruitment channels for statics, FC's, RP stuff, etc.
And have it accessible from wherever you are in the game world.

greatly increasing the blacklist size limit would be good as well.

actually, just fixing the blacklist in general would be nice. pretty sure you still can't add people to it unless you do it from the chat log. so nice of world visit to break that function.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

It's *technically* RP when the staff assume the role of a staff member and play as that character... but in the venues I've visited, that's a very small percent of the interactions going on.

Maybe I'm just spoiled coming from D&D, I dunno.

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They're getting paid, it's a job. AFAIK, roleplay isn't supposed to come with financial gain.

Do you get paid to play D&D? Or do you do it for the fun?

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Originally Posted by Bukachu

Most of the people you listed are people who work solo, photographer takes pics alone, omnicarfter/gatherer does their thing alone, same for people selling it - its one person selling it. Clubs usually consist of multiple people, just like FCs, so its normal those advertise more, since ultimately every person is entitled to advertise their thing.

I do the same with housing designs, I advertise, and I have my assistant do the same after 30 minutes when I start, for more exposure.

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Thank you for contributing to the spam problem.
Side note, there are teams of people who do bulk orders for new raid gear and the same goes for gatherers, especially near patch days. You don't see them double-posting ads. So, I'm sorry just because you have someone working for you doesn't give you the right to spam ads. It's your business, you advertise. Let them do what they're there for, which is to help you decorate.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

They're getting paid, it's a job. AFAIK, roleplay isn't supposed to come with financial gain.

Do you get paid to play D&D? Or do you do it for the fun?

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Yeah actually some people do get paid to play DnD. People will actually pay for really good and established DMs.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

Yeah actually some people do get paid to play DnD. People will actually pay for really good and established DMs.

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Then it's a job. Lol.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

It's *technically* RP when the staff assume the role of a staff member and play as that character... but in the venues I've visited, that's a very small percent of the interactions going on.

Maybe I'm just spoiled coming from D&D, I dunno.

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You're not. That's how I expected roleplaying to go, and how I figured it was based on seeing peoples' profiles on the RP wiki back in 2017.
The issue is that venues nowadays just don't bother doing that, and it feels like if you want any of it, you need to go on Balmung. It's already hard to do that as it is because it's constantly congested. It's even worse if you're from another Datacenter, bc then you need an alt to visit x,x

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

They're getting paid, it's a job. AFAIK, roleplay isn't supposed to come with financial gain.

Do you get paid to play D&D? Or do you do it for the fun?

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Yes. Sometimes. I got paid at the venue I worked at and it was the traditional roleplaying thing. We did have background music on but it was soft jazz to set the mood. People still had to interact with us to get anything out of it. Not everyone wanted to, and that was fine, we left them to sit and take in the scenery. But the whole point of it was to interact and specifically engage with the staff and the lore they prepared for you.
At the end of the day, they still paid for drinks and food, and we'd get a cut.

Now, if you want to strictly speaking only restrict it to DnD itself? I'd say it depends? If my character wanted to work at a bar, they'd be paid. Obviously not the player, but FF14 and DnD aren't the same. Only the interactions during roleplaying are similar. Meaning yes, you can get paid on both, the application is just different.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

Yeah actually some people do get paid to play DnD. People will actually pay for really good and established DMs.

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Wait, really?? People get paid IRL to DM and be a player in a campaign?

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Wait, really?? People get paid IRL to DM and be a player in a campaign?

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Like 99.5% of the time they are paid to DM. Some are well established in Discord based DnD groups where they play strictly online. Those DMs are paid because they are known for making really good established worlds and word gets around.

I wanna say Roll20 is also another site that people go to find groups for online sessions.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Wait, really?? People get paid IRL to DM and be a player in a campaign?

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Yeah man, and boy I'd love to be able to experience a DM like that, but I'm not paying to play D&D unfortunately.

I just really love RP and it makes me sad how diluted it is in 14.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Yeah man, and boy I'd love to be able to experience a DM like that, but I'm not paying to play D&D unfortunately.

I just really love RP and it makes me sad how diluted it is in 14.

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Understood. Make an alt on gilgamesh. Slide into your DM's and start RPing.

...what do you mean "instructions unclear"??

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Understood. Make an alt on gilgamesh. Slide into your DM's and start RPing.

...what do you mean "instructions unclear"??

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LOL okay you. I expect a cover letter, a resume, and references in my inbox before you can join this super secret exclusive club of RP.

...what do you mean "not a job"?

;D

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Yeah man, and boy I'd love to be able to experience a DM like that, but I'm not paying to play D&D unfortunately.

I just really love RP and it makes me sad how diluted it is in 14.

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The sad thing is, go back a couple years before covid/at the start of covid and the RP scene used to look so different. There was actually more to do than just clubbing (an ex-friend of mine used to "work" at a potion shop (I use quotes because she wasn't paid by the owners and did it just because she enjoyed being there and the conversations she'd have). I'm not sure if this is true or not still but Crystal used to be the last bastion of hope for unpaid RP where venues wouldn't charge actual gil but have fake interactions with it. Lounges, restaurants, cafes, etc. were EVERYWHERE. It was really fun to go out on dates and do things together we couldn't necessarily do irl do to the pandemic or just distance in general.

Then when we all really went into lockdown, people started realizing they can profit off players wanting to go out and party and the club scene exploded. Now there's literally no room to do anything different or innovative because they just get drowned out by multi-ad club spam (or feel inadequate that they're not making the same amount of money as other places).

Roleplay is a business now in 14. It's depressing but can't blame anyone but ourselves for enabling the practices.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Roleplay is a business now in 14. It's depressing but can't blame anyone but ourselves for enabling the practices.

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:x I mean, blame yourselves if you want, some people actually tried to fight against the lacking interactivity :p

Though it does surprise me that other venues that dealt with businesses didn't use actual in-game currency. I assumed that even in those potion shops you'd have people actually buy the items. At least, that's what I assume you're saying given you say "rp is a business now". People got paid with gil before.
...or are we actually now paying people through paypal just to rp with us? Because if so, y i k e s.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

I assumed that even in those potion shops you'd have people actually buy the items.

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A fair number of RP venues that sell things have carrd pages that are menus with prices, etc. I've gone to bars and such that charge a couple thousand for a drink, but they're always made-to-order by the staff. My restaurant's "pay what you want" for the HQ food I make and sometimes people toss a lot of money my way, other times nothing. It really depends on the individual venue. If I were running a potion/alchemy shop, I'd be making all the goods myself and selling them for a fixed price.

People using the word ERP don't even know the correct meaning of it either: ERP = Enterprise Resource Planning... however it is getting out of hand inside the game... and you hear come to this or that club... we have live bards... which is in fact bot bard bands running a third part program and so on and so forth.

Also it lost alot of the zass to it with these clubs... now you need to buy vip passes and all sort of stuff as well, all communication is through tells from the staff... meaning the RP effect is losing it as well in most cases... most are more into making a buck on it rather than just having fun, which also makes one ask and raise questions.

If I had my way I would gather as much crystals as I could and summon a Primal GM to unleash their wrath in Steps of Nald - Balmung.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

People using the word ERP don't even know the correct meaning of it either: ERP = Enterprise Resource Planning... however it is getting out of hand inside the game... and you hear come to this or that club... we have live bards... which is in fact bot bard bands running a third part program and so on and so forth.

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B-b-but... I thought ERP means 'Epic Raid Progression'..!! Have I been lied to?!

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

B-b-but... I thought ERP means 'Epic Raid Progression'..!! Have I been lied to?!

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I thought it ment Elephant Riding Penguins.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

(an ex-friend of mine used to "work" at a potion shop (I use quotes because she wasn't paid by the owners and did it just because she enjoyed being there and the conversations she'd have).

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That sounds adorable. I don't have the spontaneity of writing to RP myself, but would've loved to just visit such a venue and soak it in.

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Originally Posted by Godzillaxpowerrangers

I thought it ment Elephant Riding Penguins.

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