Island Sanctuaries - End Game Only

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

Maybe go back and read the full thread before answering, because people have been asking for it.

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I went back through the thread and saw one person who said they feel for the FT players who were excited for the feature. And it wasn't even a firm "this absolutely should be included in the FT", just a "I feel for them".

Now, my search consisted of ctrlF "trial", so I suppose some dissenters may have slipped through, but the other posts I saw using that keyword were fine with it NOT being available to FT players. But if you could point out the other people asking for FT to be included, that would be cool.

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

Maybe go back and read the full thread before answering, because people have been asking for it.

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Please go back and quote these "people", then. Go ahead, let's see. Show me how good is your ability to comprehend text.

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Originally Posted by Asari5

they could just say: 'oh look we have this island we need someone taking care of it.' or it could be as thank you for saving eorzea by destroying the ultima-weapon. i mean i dont really care since im already 90, just thought its a bit odd.

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Considering I just saved everything in existence I should be given my own country. But I'll settle for a island.

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

Maybe go back and read the full thread before answering, because people have been asking for it.

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You're probably referring to my small string of posts before I gave up replying to the thread. Once again, I said I feel for Free Trial players, and the hostility towards them is sad and hilarious at the same time. Thanks for proving my point that the developers give more of a carp about them than the players do. The devs don't need to let loose and expand resources when they have customers like you making excuses for them.

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

Maybe go back and read the full thread before answering, because people have been asking for it.

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Nah. You will find people saying it's weird it's gated and should be available for anyone who bought the EW expansion.
And you will find people who are saying "Nu uh, beat EW first you peasants" thinking non-EW complete players will likely lessen their "achievement".
And you will find people who are fine with what Yoshi decided and don't really care.
And you will find people on the fence who don't really invest much in the argument coz it's meaningless fluff with no bearing on the game.

But I don't see a single person saying "make it so Free Trial players can play it".

But honestly, even if they could, so what? It's not like it's going to be important ground breaking content that will keep people engrossed and clamouring for more for years.

FF14 is a combat/battle oriented MMORPG where player tried to do what they can to save what they can, and after finally saving the world, you are now given an extra new side activity on an island to relax, i think that is the main point of the island sanctuary, FF14 is about doing the Main Scenario Quest first with some extra stuff along the way, and having island sanctuary is a good extra side activity to renew player's subscribtion after we are done with the MSQ, having free trial access for that is not ideal both from lore and financial perspective

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Originally Posted by freekyfreezer

Stardew Valley has been out since 2016

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I miss when Harvest Moon and Rune Factory was good.

I mean, this is one of the reason Yoshi-p is considering a new entry point for new players.

based on the trailer voiceover it has a lot to do with the end of endwalker.

Giving out an island, with no background/story or anything at all related to it, to some new adventurer that hasn't even met the characters involved would just be... weird?

It's a story driven MMO, if you don't want to do the story, then don't. But don't expect to get stuff handed to you on a silver platter.

We now know where they are; The Cieldalaes, in the Rhotano Sea not too far from the southern tip of Vylbrand

https://i.gyazo.com/14163372655bb8d0...f32c68c5fc.jpg

An airship from Limsa to Ul'dah would take you over them.

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Traveling to Your Island Sanctuary

Players can travel to their island sanctuary at any time by speaking with Baldin in Lower La Noscea (X:24.9 Y:34.8).

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Lol. Lmao even. Square has no reason to keep this behind Endwalker main quest and the location only proves it further. Ridiculous gate for such side content. One would think that getting rid of an Allagan monstrosity, a crazy pope and the emperor's unhinged son would be enough to get you a house or a piece of land in the middle of nowhere, but no. And I was hoping to jump on it on this character. Fuck's sake.

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Originally Posted by Anura

Lol. Lmao even. Square has no reason to keep this behind Endwalker main quest and the location only proves it further. Ridiculous gate for such side content.

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Now the details are out what is telling about the gate is the unlock quest is level 1 available. You just have to unlock it from Old Sharlayan (which is weird for a south of La Noscea Island) and have completed EW.

100% blatant cynical story-unlock fodder.

I would've liked to see Island Sanctuary tied to having purchased EW, that would be understandable considering it's side content that's a bit on the bigger side but be available before completing the EW MSQ.
I'm not affected as I've completed it but giving leveling players something to do when taking a break from the MSQ would probably improve the experience. MSQ is several hundreds of hours if you focus on it and even when someone generally enjoys the story, it's quite common that people feel the need to take a break from MSQ to do something else or burn out on it. Story isn't some binary you either love it can do it non-stop or you don't like it and should play another game.
Gold Saucer is a nice little time sink that you unlock fairly early, adding IS to later levels but before EW completion would give some something to look forward to midway.

And "lore reasons" or "but the NPCs!" isn't exactly a valid argument against it because the NPCs are completely arbitrary. Basically anyone involved with any of the impactful story quests could reasonably be the NPC that tells you "Congrats, you can have this little island nobody uses anyway to do some farming". Getting rid of any of the expansion bosses would be reason enough to give the player a little island.
Not to mention the location is south of La Noscea. An ARR area.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Now the details are out what is telling about the gate is the unlock quest is level 1 available. You just have to unlock it from Old Sharlayan (which is weird for a south of La Noscea Island) and have completed EW.

100% blatant cynical story-unlock fodder.

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It could be because they will allow non Endwalker people to visit the island and putting it in an Endwalker location would rule that out. I haven't read the notes just scanned them so dunno if a visit mechanic has been mentioned yet.

Seems to me there needs to be an entry mechanic/gate for people without an island or non friends to be able to visit your island so this location kind of makes sense if that is the case.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

It could be because they will allow non Endwalker people to visit the island and putting it in an Endwalker location would rule that out. I haven't read the notes just scanned them so dunno if a visit mechanic has been mentioned yet.

Seems to me there needs to be an entry mechanic/gate for people without an island or non friends to be able to visit your island.

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This is the visit part

https://i.gyazo.com/93cd2bc3a68657cc...eabf5d355d.png

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Originally Posted by Shibi

This is the visit part

https://i.gyazo.com/93cd2bc3a68657cc...eabf5d355d.png

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Well is makes sense then for the gate to be in an ARR area because you don't need EW to visit the island. And ty for the info. Doing dailies atm and lot to do before maintenance. i usually read the patch notes carefully during downtime.

Wish there was a gate for alts to visit a mains house :P. Does seem like my alts can visit each others Islands though given many are in the same FC on different servers I'm on.

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Originally Posted by Rilifane

I would've liked to see Island Sanctuary tied to having purchased EW, that would be understandable considering it's side content that's a bit on the bigger side but be available before completing the EW MSQ.
I'm not affected as I've completed it but giving leveling players something to do when taking a break from the MSQ would probably improve the experience. MSQ is several hundreds of hours if you focus on it and even when someone generally enjoys the story, it's quite common that people feel the need to take a break from MSQ to do something else or burn out on it. Story isn't some binary you either love it can do it non-stop or you don't like it and should play another game.
Gold Saucer is a nice little time sink that you unlock fairly early, adding IS to later levels but before EW completion would give some something to look forward to midway.

And "lore reasons" or "but the NPCs!" isn't exactly a valid argument against it because the NPCs are completely arbitrary. Basically anyone involved with any of the impactful story quests could reasonably be the NPC that tells you "Congrats, you can have this little island nobody uses anyway to do some farming". Getting rid of any of the expansion bosses would be reason enough to give the player a little island.
Not to mention the location is south of La Noscea. An ARR area.

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It reads as if there are next to no activities one can do apart from the MSQ. If that were the case, people should have been complaining for the last 6 years or so that there are no side acitivies to do. But now that a new side activity comes out, new players suddenly don't have anything they can do and need Island Sanctuary that much?

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Originally Posted by ACE135

It reads as if there are next to no activities one can do apart from the MSQ. If that were the case, people should have been complaining for the last 6 years or so that there are no side acitivies to do. But now that a new side activity comes out, new players suddenly don't have anything they can do and need Island Sanctuary that much?

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That's your interpretation of what I said but you missed the mark by a lot.

I'm fine with the level gate. Players are really spoiled in this game lol. Such a massive chunk of early game is straight up free. There's TONS of content to do, and even more to get through. I think Island Sanctuaries at lower levels would be a MAJOR distraction for people to 1. Buy the game, 2. Progress through the game, which would ultimately end up with players 3. Being dissatisfied / having the wrong impression of the game.

I've seen people skip and say comments like, this game is boring. I'll ask well, have you done any of the raids? Most of them don't even know there are 2 categories of raids, or even that trials are different from raids. I'm all about play the game how you want, but that only goes so far. It is still a MMORPG at the end of the day, with a story I'm pretty sure the devs want their players to experience along with all the content that is tied to said story. Again, I know there are some players that literally level only crafters / gatherers / fisher / gold saucer and I see how island sanctuaries could fit into those categories, but as a player I don't think adding more to that section is a positive for the game overall. I also agree with what one poster said before, expansions should have features only tied to those expansions. It's a great selling point for EW to have this really nice feature. Maybe, in like 5yrs from now, they could revisit the level cap.

Let people play the game, earn the right to an island, and not get tunnel-visioned into never purchasing the game / getting to experience one of the best Final Fantasy titles in its series :D

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Originally Posted by Rilifane

That's your interpretation of what I said but you missed the mark by a lot.

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I had the same interpretation as the poster you replied to. You said:

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I'm not affected as I've completed it but giving leveling players something to do when taking a break from the MSQ would probably improve the experience. MSQ is several hundreds of hours if you focus on it and even when someone generally enjoys the story, it's quite common that people feel the need to take a break from MSQ to do something else or burn out on it. Story isn't some binary you either love it can do it non-stop or you don't like it and should play another game.
Gold Saucer is a nice little time sink that you unlock fairly early, adding IS to later levels but before EW completion would give some something to look forward to midway.

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That very much sounds like you're thinking Gold Saucer is the only other available content out there besides MSQ, which is...well, words can't really describe how inaccurate that is. One of the pros of FFXIV compared to other MMO's is the sheer amount of side content available throughout the entire journey. In addition to the entirety of the Gold Saucer (which itself includes many options such as chocobo racing, Vermilion, TT, Mahjong, etc.), there's Crafting and Gathering, Sightseeing, optional Raids and their storylines, optional Dungeons (especially in the earlier expansions), individual class quests from leveling other classes that turn into role quests by ShB, and those are just the things that come to mind because they're side activities I personally enjoy. There's probably other things out there I'm not even thinking of.

Point is, there's a ton of stuff available to people just starting out and making their way through the game. Island Sanctuaries aren't necessary, and may even just tilt the balance more in favor of people being overwhelmed with all the choices.

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Originally Posted by WindyGamer

How disappointing. I had assumed that they would be available at, oh say, 30 or 50. So I could take my friends who are new to the game and show them my IS.

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You can.
Players that have completed the quest "The Ultimate Weapon" AKA the end of ARR can visit islands, but cannot own one until they finish Endwalker.

Just make your mains island good, your problem for making alts in a game that doesn't require them.

I was mistaken it's south of La Noscea region. Either way though it seems it'll be stry driven why you get it so you have to finish Endwalker storyline. I suppose that sucks for newcomers and such. In way though it gives some incentive to finish the story.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

You can.
Players that have completed the quest "The Ultimate Weapon" AKA the end of ARR can visit islands, but cannot own one until they finish Endwalker.

Just make your mains island good, your problem for making alts in a game that doesn't require them.

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I don't see why they'd need to clear ultimate weapon before visiting an island from a dock you can access at level 2.

Granted I don't think I'm gonna be inviting people over to my island house that doesn't even have any damn walls.

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Originally Posted by hydralus

I don't see why they'd need to clear ultimate weapon before visiting an island from a dock you can access at level 2.

Granted I don't think I'm gonna be inviting people over to my island house that doesn't even have any damn walls.

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They have said in the notes that the buildings can be upgraded with rising ranks so I would assume that at some point the house would have walls.

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Originally Posted by Krokov

They have said in the notes that the buildings can be upgraded with rising ranks so I would assume that at some point the house would have walls.

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God I hope so. Guy can't even put up a bugnet to keep the mosquitoes out.

I mean...it doesn't take a whole lot of skill to get to end game? It's practically point and click? If you have so many characters at 50, why not focus on one to get to end game? I mean, this content has been out for a while...unless you've just started playing...there's really no excuse?

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Originally Posted by WindyGamer

How disappointing. I had assumed that they would be available at, oh say, 30 or 50. So I could take my friends who are new to the game and show them my IS. Or as an alternative activity for my 2 dozen alts. But no. The IS are locked behind a tall tall ladder of level 90 and Endwalker.

All of my Alts are 50+ and about half have completed Heavenward. And my friend started more recently and of their half dozen alts they only have a couple beyond Heavensward and one at Endwalker. [x]

So if you want a Garden Simulator or to build a settlement, try another game where you can do that from the beginning I guess.

And do I hear that the Steps of Faith is going to be a solo duty? Hardly Epic. But I guess the warrior or light can take down a two story tall Vishap solo with no problems. But it's just not going to be as fun as it was with 7 other folks. My preference would have been to make it a 24 or 30 player event rather than a solo one.

I play another game where I just did an epic event with 50 or 60 other folks that was originally released in 2015. They didn't solo duty that epic event and despite the fact that there were no Flying Mounts in the game in 2015, the event was still fun and relevant for players today most with flying mounts and some just gliding like back in the day. It's done several times a day, as are the other large map wide events from that expansion.

Sure, we could have more glamour dresser slots or we could just make the dresser hold all the glamour in the game, for the whole account - all the alts could get any glamour seen by any alt. That would be another way to go. It's not a new idea.

New jobs appear just a rung or two below the End Game. Why is this a thing? And why do Alts have to climb that ladder to unlock those jobs too? The next new jobs unlocks at level 90? or 80?

How soon before we see that the ladder is just too high to put all the new content at the top and that it's not a service to new players to dumb down all the rungs along the way? Could we please find new ways to make previous [ I'm not saying old here] content relevant for all players rather than putting all relevant content at the end of a long long climb? Anybody else bored with running only level 50 four man dungeons for moogle tomes for moogle treasure events? I didn't even bother. Despite the cut scenes, an 8 player was more fun that these 4 player replacements. And they could have been 24 or 30 player just as easily. Why was that not a thing?

Yep. More than one subject here. But they all seem related somehow.

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The reason it block behind 90 u have no time to relax in the story on till the end of ew it all war and gloom

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Originally Posted by Hayden

I mean...it doesn't take a whole lot of skill to get to end game? It's practically point and click? If you have so many characters at 50, why not focus on one to get to end game? I mean, this content has been out for a while...unless you've just started playing...there's really no excuse?

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Why would one rush through the story to do some fluff?

The story is the selling point to the game, and something that a lot of people want to take slowly.

Ruining that "you-can-do-it-only-once", to plant a few seeds is just silly. Just like reading a book the second time is less fun, the story really only has magic the first time through.


Seriously, the mental gymnastics defending the decision, plus the gatekeeping the community is reaching for is just silly.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Why would one rush through the story to do some fluff?

The story is the selling point to the game, and something that a lot of people want to take slowly.

Ruining that "you-can-do-it-only-once", to plant a few seeds is just silly. Just like reading a book the second time is less fun, the story really only has magic the first time through.


Seriously, the mental gymnastics defending the decision, plus the gatekeeping the community is reaching for is just silly.

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The only thing silly is comments like that. Having content released during an expansion being tied to that expansion is normal, in FFXIV and practically every MMO in existence. FFXIV has the advantage of having a veritable mountain of other side content available to people along the journey. Crafting and gathering, the gold saucer (which itself includes games, Triple Triad, chocobo racing, Vermilion, mahjong, etc.), sightseeing, class/role quests, optional raid storylines, optional dungeon storylines...and those are just the ones I can think of because I enjoy them. There's probably even more things I'm not even including there. Island Sanctuary isn't intended in any way, shape, or form to be the "pinnacle" game experience that would be the reason someone buys the game.

What's silly is claiming there's any mental gymnastics involved in defending such a sensible decision. It's not even a warm-up. And I think you might want to re-visit the meaning of the word "gatekeeping"; this isn't it.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

What's silly is claiming there's any mental gymnastics involved in defending such a sensible decision. It's not even a warm-up. And I think you might want to re-visit the meaning of the word "gatekeeping"; this isn't it.

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Quoting for emphasis.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

The only thing silly is comments like that. Having content released during an expansion being tied to that expansion is normal, in FFXIV and practically every MMO in existence. FFXIV has the advantage of having a veritable mountain of other side content available to people along the journey. Crafting and gathering, the gold saucer (which itself includes games, Triple Triad, chocobo racing, Vermilion, mahjong, etc.), sightseeing, class/role quests, optional raid storylines, optional dungeon storylines...and those are just the ones I can think of because I enjoy them. There's probably even more things I'm not even including there. Island Sanctuary isn't intended in any way, shape, or form to be the "pinnacle" game experience that would be the reason someone buys the game.

What's silly is claiming there's any mental gymnastics involved in defending such a sensible decision. It's not even a warm-up. And I think you might want to re-visit the meaning of the word "gatekeeping"; this isn't it.

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Can you read? There's a difference between tying something to the expansion and locking it behind THE END of the base expansion, when the same expansion is LOCKED behind THREE EXPANSIONS worth of story. FFXIV is the ONLY MMORPG I've ever played that lock things behind fucking hundreds of hours of storyline. Got overleveled and want to do a dungeon near your level? YOU'RE FUCK OUT OF LUCK. Do these hundreds of quests here before you can unlock the next expansion, then do MORE quests to unlock a fucking dungeon. Let's see how they'll keep doing this shit when new players get tired of this crap and just drop the snoozefest because it'll hit their patience limit. I'd sooner recommend EVE to someone new to MMORPG than a game that simply locks you at fucking lv50 for more than 50 hours and forces you to use a rotation so boring it melts your brain. Probably the time needed to unlock Heavensward. GREAT design, isn't it?

This content is intended to keep players who have finished the game busy and stay subbed. It looks like it will be fun, but never forget it’s intended purpose.

As to the whole Limsa boat thing, this instance is built on the Eureka/Boja system so that’s why we have to go to a teleport NPC. They copied the code from those zones so they could get it out as soon as possible.

There are probably server side issues that prevent normal teleporting. If not server side issues then quality control / new development issues. Copy something that works to keep costs and dev time down.

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

This content is intended to keep players who have finished the game busy and stay subbed. It looks like it will be fun, but never forget it’s intended purpose.

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Players who have finished the game would have access to it one way or another, how does this make sense? Being available early in the game has no consequence. If the Gold Saucer were to release Blitzball tomorrow, EVERYONE would go there and check it out. Being available only at the end of the final expansion would only affect players that want but cannot access it. If Island Sanctuary caught the eyes of advanced players, they'll stay subbed and that's it.

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Originally Posted by Anura

Can you read? There's a difference between tying something to the expansion and locking it behind THE END of the base expansion, when the same expansion is LOCKED behind THREE EXPANSIONS worth of story. FFXIV is the ONLY MMORPG I've ever played that lock things behind fucking hundreds of hours of storyline. Got overleveled and want to do a dungeon near your level? YOU'RE FUCK OUT OF LUCK. Do these hundreds of quests here before you can unlock the next expansion, then do MORE quests to unlock a fucking dungeon. Let's see how they'll keep doing this shit when new players get tired of this crap and just drop the snoozefest because it'll hit their patience limit. I'd sooner recommend EVE to someone new to MMORPG than a game that simply locks you at fucking lv50 for more than 50 hours and forces you to use a rotation so boring it melts your brain. Probably the time needed to unlock Heavensward. GREAT design, isn't it?

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Its almost like this game plays like an actual Final Fantasy game meaning it has a long story that has gotten even longer throughout the years and part of the core design of the game is that the story and the world matters so everything is being built up from the ground up from the start. If you really want to just speedrun to an interesting part of the game then there are skips for you but it seems weird to complain that a video game has content xD

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Originally Posted by Nanne

Its almost like this game plays like an actual Final Fantasy game meaning it has a long story that has gotten even longer throughout the years and part of the core design of the game is that the story and the world matters so everything is being built up from the ground up from the start. If you really want to just speedrun to an interesting part of the game then there are skips for you but it seems weird to complain that a video game has content xD

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Yes, I'm complaining because the game has content. It's not like you're making a strawman because you're incapable of reading, hmm? And no, the game does not play like a Final Fantasy, because this is not an offline game where the ONLY content is a straight line. This is a theme park mmorpg and it follows THAT recipe, like WoW does, so stop pretending this game is something else. A piss easy game with no challenge whatsover until endgame has to do something to keep players entertained after AND between the story, since the combat is garbage before level cap. Now answer me this: which Final Fantasy besides XI has any similarities to what I described? I'm curious, because right now, to me, it seems like you're larping.

If it's so easy, then it should be no problem to arrive at the content when you do.

What's done is done and there's no going back and you (and others) keep telling us why it's really no big deal at all.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

If it's so easy, then it should be no problem to arrive at the content when you do.

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Many things are easy. Many things are also boring as fuck and makes me want to drink alcohol to make it smoother to go through without me wishing for death. I like the game, I love heavensward and I like Endwalker even with those idiotic time travel shenanigans. That didn't stop me from getting extremely bored a lot of times going from one quest to another, to another. The game has a story that is fucking long and it needs things to keep players from dropping it like many dropped during ARR. Island Sanctuary could help with that, like other things do, but they decided to gate it too fucking far. I don't enjoy sightseeing, I don't enjoy mahjong and I got what I wanted (for now) from the Gold Saucer. IS would help me go through the story again on this character and would help new players get through the slog that is the MSQ sometimes. There is NO need to keep it that far and it has absolutely NO ADVANTAGES for players. It's a decision they made that will only benefit them, not the playerbase.

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Originally Posted by Anura

It's a decision they made that will only benefit them, not the playerbase.

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It doesn't especially benefit SE either. In the end, game sales and subscriptions are what SE benefits from and not how players choose to play the game once they've made the purchase and paid their subscription.

As many have pointed out, Island Sanctuary has the potential to keep someone subbed who is reaching burn out from the length of the current MSQ and is looking for something more relaxing to do with their game time. Housing should be similar in that respect but with the hyper focus on house ownership, lack of availability and purchase prices being a bit of a stretch for new players, it doesn't work very well as a way to retain subscriptions when players want a break from MSQ.

All that's really left is Gold Saucer, and there are players who are turned off by what they perceive to be the gambling aspects in it.

If there was some compelling reason for Island Sanctuary to be gated by completion of the 6.0 MSQ, then I wouldn't have issue with it. I'm not seeing any such reasons, though. I can remember one of the content creators mentioning something about Old Sharlayan being tied in because of the mammets but we see mammets included in the early game and are explained to be constructed through the combined efforts of the Goldsmith and Alchemist guilds, not imports from Sharlayan.

While the decision has been made and can't be changed for 6.2's release, it doesn't mean that SE can't revise that decision in the future and make the content available to players earlier with the unlock quest in a different location. Those of us who have been playing for a few years can remember how glamours used to be restricted to level 50 and you needed to get to Revenant's Toll to unlock them. Now they're available at level 15 in Vesper Bay. There are probably some other examples we can come up with if we put our collective heads together.

I'd like to ask SE to reconsider this decision. Seems like others in this thread likewise would appreciate it. I know my cousin would appreciate having access to it. She was just telling me yesterday how disappointed she was to find out that it requires completion of the 6.0 MSQ. She and her husband started FFXIV at the beginning of the year but they're playing through MSQ together and so their progress is gated by when he's available to play. Right now they're on post-Stormblood MSQ. She had been looking forward to Island Sanctuary as something to do when she can play but he's busy. Now it's going to be several months before she'll have access.

Place your bets now that the servers crash with everyone going to an island. With their status so far in each patch this year being bugged like lottery let's see how this fairs XD. Minimum $20 starting bet the game crashes first day

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

She was just telling me yesterday how disappointed she was to find out that it requires completion of the 6.0 MSQ. She and her husband started FFXIV at the beginning of the year but they're playing through MSQ together and so their progress is gated by when he's available to play. Right now they're on post-Stormblood MSQ. She had been looking forward to Island Sanctuary as something to do when she can play but he's busy. Now it's going to be several months before she'll have access.

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The progress is gated due to her own personal choice. Why can’t she just move ahead with the MSQ? They’d be able to group up when he does MSQ dungeons and trials. The rest of MSQ is solo. She can even get another job at the same level as her husband’s and they can do activities in the same areas with no penalties to him.

I’ll wait and see what exactly SI is and if I like it. It doesn’t seem like it will allow for much creativity. We will see.