Thoughts on the new street attire.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

XI doesn't really have that mix. It does have some fluff items that you can get from annual events & the login campaigns, but overall, they've really kept to a fantasy setting. It's quite easy to still feel immersed in that world vs. what we have in XIV.

I realize the immersion ship sailed ages ago for XIV, but I really hope that any future MMO SE creates really focuses on world building, and creates things that fit within that world. IMO, XIV has too many crossovers and way, way, WAY too much fanservice. Yes, there are staples within the FF franchise that always crop up in the various games, but at this point it feels cheap.

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XI the least played Final Fantasy game, and the one that got to be a main sequence number by chance and luck, which is the only reason it's still maintained, and will be as long as Square Enix is an independent game developer.

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Originally Posted by Lustre

I think its lame and immersion breaking but I can see why people like it.

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Nothing in 14 breaks immersion, as the setting has Space Ships and Computers. Modern Fashion has always been a part of the setting.

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Originally Posted by Aneshda

Far too modern. The set looks like it's fresh out of real life and doesn't fit the game like so many other sets for my taste. I wish SE would come around and do more glamor like the happiness set, they were in the right direction at least for a second.

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Have you seen female Miqo'te starter clothing. It's club wear from the 80s. 14 has always had modern fashion as a part of the setting, you face off against space ships and mechs rather quickly in the story. We literally collect Cell Phones to use as currency for old tier sets. And use bluetooth ear pods for global chat.

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

I think it's very bland- but it's also not my taste & far from it
It's too modern & trashy.
It's also very expensive - I remember back on the mog station we could buy individual pieces but they changed it to get more money

It removes Miqo'te ears so I know hroth & viera sure as heck can't use it- but why would they, the ballcaps in ffxiv look gross but again, I detest all modern-like glams

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I like modern glams myself, but the jewelry is really excessive on this set. If it was just the sports bra, and the bottoms were a little more plain, it could work in a lot of looks. This one is just like boomer wear from the 90's.

Yeah, the miqo'te ears being removed really sucks. Honestly though, I don't think I'd use that hat to begin with.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

... This one is just like boomer wear from the 90's...

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No Boomer wore cargo pants, and club wear in the 90s. That was X-Gen fashion. Do not ignore the X-Gen or we will get a mosh pit up in here.

https://youtu.be/4c3BCWx5Rpg

I wore those same clothes when I was a teen lol

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Originally Posted by Gothicshark

No Boomer wore cargo pants, and club wear in the 90s. That was X-Gen fashion. Do not ignore the X-Gen or we will get a mosh pit up in here.

https://youtu.be/4c3BCWx5Rpg

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it reminds me of 90's hispanic-american fashion, specifically from like the bronx or jersey city

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBSf...OWERRECORDSLLC

Edit: quite possibly might be why I like this specifically XD, i wanted to look like lil suzy when i was a kiddo - now im 23 and can make my set of pixels look like her

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

it reminds me of 90's hispanic-american fashion, specifically from like the bronx or jersey city

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I don't know what fashion is like in Japan, but these outfits (not from the video, mind you) remind of "The World Ends With You". I just got the feeling that these things were fashionable in Japan at some point from playing that game for a little while.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I don't know what fashion is like in Japan, but these outfits remind of "The World Ends With You". I just got the feeling that these things were fashionable in Japan at some point from playing that game for a little while.

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probably, chola fashion was, while not popular in mainstream us, at least able to be commodified bc it had a pretty marketable, distinct aesthetic

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/54/1e...3ec713ac20.jpg
https://static.onecms.io/wp-content/...olaculture.png

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

it reminds me of 90's hispanic-american fashion, specifically from like the bronx or jersey city
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It reminds me of Club Wear at the Industrial Mosh Pits of the 90s, which took a lot of inspiration from West Coast Hispanic Fashion.

to be fair, chola fashion is pretty ubiquitous. i'm just reminded of the bling of the bronx with this fit, XD. West coast cholas had the earrings but east coast puerto ricans had the bling, y'know? then again, i'm a bit biased, being puerto rican and from the east coast scene

My thoughts on the attire is that people are going to pay a lot of money to look like everyone else. It's their money though so if they enjoy it then that's all that matters.

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

to be fair, chola fashion is pretty ubiquitous. i'm just reminded of the bling of the bronx with this fit, XD. West coast cholas had the earrings but east coast puerto ricans had the bling, y'know? then again, i'm a bit biased, being puerto rican and from the east coast scene

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Meanwhile the SFV ... (San Fernando Valley)... and Jewish.

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Originally Posted by MeeDeggiThePunisher

I look forward to seeing men in loincloths and wooden clubs eating at McDonalds on the next TV show about Mars colonists.

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I think they kinda did that already with that failed TV show about the Geico Cavemen.

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Originally Posted by Treesus

Ya know....I cant really say your wrong. Id also just like to throw in that no matter what the reasoning, if your looking for immersion in an MMO, your already fighting a loosing battle. It wouldnt matter if every single piece of glam was a purely made set of authentic looking midevil armor, someone, somewhere, is still going to dye it hot pink and run around with only the head and chest on wit no pants, gloves, or feet. The moment you allow your experience to be influenced by other players, you have given up immersion. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

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seriously "breaks immersion" aint no npcs dressin like player characters or using the sds as a mount or whatever else.
If you wanna wear trash ARR gear forever to "blend" in cutscenes better thats fine but it aint hurting the game to have not crap attire in it.
Half of all final fantasy main titles are quasi-modern and ALL ff have schizotech.
FF1 Tiamat dungeon was a floating space station in the og release, a giant robot tries to nuke the world in ff4 if scifi or modern shit breaks your immersion so bad you ain't been paying attention to the series this game so religiously references or straightup rips off.

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Originally Posted by Doc_Seraph

Reminds me of that crafted attire with the fanny pack/hood that looks like a straight up smelly hungover morning kupo <3 rofl

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Don't get me started on that set- It looks like that failed "effortless" fashion take but looks like a slob. idk, I just hate baggy clothes & don't like modern glamours in a game that started off with chainmail/ staves & swords- I'm not saying modern fashion doesn't belong in ffxiv since ppl come from many worlds etc I just do not think anyone who wears modern glamours looks good- it's the same with people who think their character looks so original but it's just a pale character with black hair/ white strips & black lipstick. It's just sloppy looking. But that's my take.

I hope we see better designed armors or atleast outfits from the other Final Fantasy games- atleast those have a chance of actually looking good & appease the other plays who hate modern glams
I'm still waiting for Garnet's jumpsuit, Rinoa, Aerith & Tifa hair/outfit as well as a Cait Sith, Cactuar & Tonberry outfit for the folks who love mascots/ FF cosplay

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Originally Posted by Gothicshark

XI the least played Final Fantasy game, and the one that got to be a main sequence number by chance and luck, which is the only reason it's still maintained, and will be as long as Square Enix is an independent game developer.

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From a quick search, XI is the 2nd highest grossing FF title, following XIV. Perhaps that may have more to do with them keeping the game around vs. just chance and luck.

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Originally Posted by MeeDeggiThePunisher

I look forward to seeing men in loincloths and wooden clubs eating at McDonalds on the next TV show about Mars colonists.

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Meanwhile in Japan.

https://youtu.be/4BMXo7ocaAw

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

From a quick search, XI is the 2nd highest grossing FF title, following XIV. Perhaps that may have more to do with them keeping the game around vs. just chance and luck.

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100k people playing a video game for 22 years paying $15 a month will do that. It's still one of the lowest distributed FF games, the Sub model just makes a lot of money.

Quick Edit:

Top FF game by units sold:
(Source: https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy Note: XI is the 3rd highest grossing not second, X&X2 is second.)

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Year Title Sales (millions)
1997 Final Fantasy VII series 24.3944
1997 Final Fantasy VII 18.4512
2001 Final Fantasy X & X-2 15.2478
1997 Final Fantasy XII series 13.826
2009 Final Fantasy XIII trilogy 12.5
2010 Final Fantasy XIV& XIV:ARR 10.903
1994 Final Fantasy VI 10.1776
1991 Final Fantasy IV series 10.0468
1997 Final Fantasy VII 10.0222
2016 Final Fantasy XV 9.8
2001 Final Fantasy X 9.7518
1999 Final Fantasy VIII 9.65
1999 Final Fantasy VIII 8.6
2001 Final Fantasy X 8.5
2009 Final Fantasy XIII 7.7
2006 Final Fantasy XII 7.2
2004 Final Fantasy X-2 6.7364
1997 Ivalice Alliance 6.62572
2006 Final Fantasy XII 6.1
2004 Compilation of Final Fantasy VII 5.9432
2000 Final Fantasy IX 5.931
2000 Final Fantasy IX 5.5
2004 Final Fantasy X-2 5.5
2017 Super NES SNES Classic Edition 5.28
1987 Final Fantasy I 5.193
2008 Final Fantasy IV: The After Years 5.06
2020 Final Fantasy VII Remake 5
1991 Final Fantasy IV 4.9868
1990 Final Fantasy III 4.7723
2008 Final Fantasy IV: i-mode 4.5
The After Years EZweb
1992 Final Fantasy V 3.9667
2011 Final Fantasy XIII-2 3.6
2007 Crisis Core: 3.1
Final Fantasy VII
1994 Final Fantasy VI 3
1997 Final Fantasy Tactics 2.9213
2006 Final Fantasy III 2.8053
1997 Chocobo series 2.73
2004 Crystal Chronicles 2.645
series
1988 Final Fantasy II 2.52
1991 Other titles 2.46602
1992 Final Fantasy V 2.45
1989 Legend series 2.366
1998 Final Fantasy VII 2.3
2002 Final Fantasy XI 2.28
2008 Dissidia & 012 2.28
2002 Final Fantasy XI 2.04431
2011 Final Fantasy Type-0 2.03
2004 Crystal Chronicles 2
1991 Final Fantasy IV 1.84
2008 Dissidia Final Fantasy 1.81
2016 NES Classic Edition 1.733
2004 Before Crisis: 1.6
Final Fantasy VII
2003 Final Fantasy 1.47022
Tactics Advance
2007 Final Fantasy IV 1.41
1990 Final Fantasy III 1.4
Legend
1987 Final Fantasy 1.3
2006 Dirge of Cerberus: 1.2432
Final Fantasy VII
2013 Final Fantasy X/X-2 1.22
HD Remaster
2000 Final Fantasy (remake/remaster) 1.21
2013 Lightning Returns: 1.2
Final Fantasy XIII
2015 Final Fantasy Type-0 1.2
2013 Final Fantasy X/X-2 1.1996
1997 Chocobo's Mysterious Dungeon 1.14
2016 World of 1.1
Final Fantasy
2007 Final Fantasy XII: 1.04
Revenant Wings
1991 Final Fantasy 1.03713
Adventure
2017 Final Fantasy XII: 1
The Zodiac Age
1990 Final Fantasy 0.996
Legend II DS
2001 Final Fantasy II (remake/remaster) 0.97
1996 Final Fantasy VII 0.8512
(demo)
2011 Final Fantasy Type-0 0.83
1998 Chocobo's Dungeon 0.808
1988 Final Fantasy II 0.8
1992 Final Fantasy 0.8
Mystic Quest
2002 Final Fantasy I & II 0.75
2002 Final Fantasy I & II 0.75
2013 Final Fantasy VIII 0.73
1991 Final Fantasy 0.7
Adventure
2007 Final Fantasy 0.67
Tactics A2
2004 Dragon Quest & 0.6143
Final Fantasy
2010 Final Fantasy XIV 0.603
Online
2009 Crystal Chronicles: 0.57
Echoes of Time DS
2016 Famicom Mini 0.567
2000 Vagrant Story 0.5242
1999 Final Fantasy Anthology 0.481
1999 Final Fantasy Anthology 0.481
1999 Final Fantasy VI 0.48
2011 Dissidia 012 0.47
Final Fantasy
2004 Itadaki Street Special 0.46
2016 Final Fantasy IX 0.431
1999 Final Fantasy Collection 0.4124
2011 Final Fantasy IV: 0.4
The Complete Collection
2001 Final Fantasy Chronicles 0.3754
1997 Final Fantasy IV 0.32
2012 Theatrhythm 0.3074
1999 Chocobo Racing 0.3
2006 Final Fantasy VI 0.2812
Advance
2003 Sword of Mana 0.278
2014 Final Fantasy 0.266
Explorers
2006 Final Fantasy V 0.26
Advance
2006 Final Fantasy Fables: 0.248
Chocobo Tales
2014 Final Fantasy VI 0.243
(remaster)
2007 Final Fantasy Fables: 0.234
Chocobo's Dungeon
2005 Final Fantasy IV 0.229
Advance
2009 Final Fantasy VII 0.211
1989 Final Fantasy 0.2
2013 Final Fantasy V 0.1933
(remaster)
2009 The 4 Heroes of Light 0.19102
1998 Final Fantasy V 0.17
2012 Theatrhythm 0.1624
Final Fantasy
2013 Final Fantasy IV: 0.16
The After Years (remake)
2006 Itadaki Street Portable 0.1543
2014 Curtain Call 0.145
2015 Dissidia NT 0.1371
2018 Dissidia 0.1341
Final Fantasy NT
2003 Final Fantasy XI: 0.1321
Rise of the Zilart
2006 Final Fantasy XI: 0.1031
Treasures of Aht Urhgan
2018 Final Fantasy XII: 0.1
The Zodiac Age
2009 The Crystal Bearers 0.075
2019 Final Fantasy VIII Remastered 0.05
2017 Seiken Densetsu Switch 0.04913
Collection
2013 Final Fantasy X HD 0.0318
2013 Final Fantasy X-2 HD 0.0164
2016 Adventures of Mana 0.01
2015 Dissidia: Final Fantasy Arcade 0.003
2017 Final Fantasy XV: 485
A New Empire
2015 Final Fantasy: iOS 359
Brave Exvius Android
Total 156

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Originally Posted by Gothicshark

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Yes, I saw that list too, however, it's still been a successful game for SE based on gross sales. As this is SE's only other MMO, I think XI very much deserves a spot in the conversation when discussing what we'd like to see/not see in XIV and any future SE MMOs without someone instantly trying to discredit it. It's almost as bad as when someone dares to mention anything positive about WoW.

But anyway, the reason why I even brought up XI in the first place is because it's a FF title which does not mix fantasy/high-tech, whereas you claimed every title does, minus a couple of the super early ones. Was just clearing that up for ya.

I love how it looks on my character.

The only part I don’t like is the false nail.

I wish I can buy individuals pieces though. Almost certainly not going to use the glove & pants. They’re just going to clog my dresser slots.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

From a quick search, XI is the 2nd highest grossing FF title, following XIV. Perhaps that may have more to do with them keeping the game around vs. just chance and luck.

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Which is funny considering XIV seems to only get away with their Bamco tier cash shop by just keeping the game around. Personally, I wish they would treat XIV like XI. Although I doubt SE has the sense to do that. I'm expecting them to run XIV into the ground like SoE drove EQ2 into the ground, lol.

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Originally Posted by Gothicshark

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It's a bit disingenuous to compare games sold vs a game with a subscription. We could put current sales of a game vs how much XI has made but I doubt even re-releases of VII will compare to the lifetime sales and subscriptions of XI.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

It's a bit disingenuous to compare games sold vs a game with a subscription. We could put current sales of a game vs how much XI has made but I doubt even re-releases of VII will compare to the lifetime sales and subscriptions of XI.

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Not at all, I said 11 was one of the least played FF main sequence games, Someone said it was the second highest grossing, I gave the raw numbers, 2million units sold, 108k player subs. Yes it made money from the subs, as in 3rd highest gross profits under 14 and 10, but they made all that money from a hardcore 108k players who still play today. Meanwhile there are games with over 20 million units sold. in terms of main sequence games 2 million is near the bottom of the list, in the terms of all FF games it's basically in the middle of the pack. So no, not at all disingenuous. ESP when discussing things found in Final Fantasy Games.

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Originally Posted by XiRon

It would sure be cool if the devs would stop screwing over hrothgar and viera out of gear!
If a hroth or viera wants this set they're paying extra for gear they cant use.
A little asterisk saying "we're too lazy to make paid content work for you" is really not cutting it when you don't offer players alternate options.
If they aren't going to make hats work then sell a separate set at reduced cost thats hat free.
For petes sake they aren't even making earholes for gods chosen race anymore theres 0 excuse to not make brand new stuff not work for hrothgar or viera.

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To be fair, they'd just hide your ears like they did with miqo.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

My thoughts on the attire is that people are going to pay a lot of money to look like everyone else. It's their money though so if they enjoy it then that's all that matters.

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To be fair, people spend a lot of time for the Archfiend and Elemental armor so that they can look like everyone else too rofl.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

Which is funny considering XIV seems to only get away with their Bamco tier cash shop by just keeping the game around. Personally, I wish they would treat XIV like XI. Although I doubt SE has the sense to do that. I'm expecting them to run XIV into the ground like SoE drove EQ2 into the ground, lol.



It's a bit disingenuous to compare games sold vs a game with a subscription. We could put current sales of a game vs how much XI has made but I doubt even re-releases of VII will compare to the lifetime sales and subscriptions of XI.

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SoE didn't do anything, it was run into the ground by Daybreak, then Darkpaw.

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Originally Posted by Xelanar

I'd like developers to remember, that Miqo'te have ears.

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Pretty sure the designers who cared about ears and tails left with 1.0. The vast majority of gear adapted for ears/tails is originated from 1.0~1.23 era source models...

How is this thread 15 pages long?

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

To be fair, people spend a lot of time for the Archfiend and Elemental armor so that they can look like everyone else too rofl.

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It seems like a lot of people go for specific sets. I can't remember the last time I saw the aiming or casting Elemental armors, but I see the fending set regularly. The maiming set slightly less often, but definitely more than casting/aiming.

Still baffled that Viera and Hrothgar have been out for more than 6 months and I'm pretty sure it didnt take them more than that to come out with this attire yet it still doesnt work on all races. That right there should tell you all you need to know about either they dont care or the problem to make them work is so severe that its 6+ months development time to fix.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

I kinda just want more fantasy stuff.
It could still be casual glam but just more fantasy oriented.

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TBH i'd love some casual fantasy outfits. Tired of the urban outfits everywhere. Kind of takes you out of it to be in a high fantasy settings and you see someone in a hoodie with jeans and converse shoes.

The only casual fantasy outfits i can think of right now are the oasis sets from golden saucer, and maybe that cloak of happiness thing.

not into that red detail they HAD to add.
otw i looks nice i guess :)

I personally wish they would made the separate pieces available for less money. I bought the full kit and will literally only use the crop top with jacket.
(I wanted to use the gloves too but apperently the dye only colors the nails, so thats a bonkers)

I dig it bro we just need break dance emote and we are good.

Too expensive for what it offers. The only good part is the chest piece that has the exposed belly. Everything else is meh at most

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Originally Posted by Equitable_Remedy

How is this thread 15 pages long?

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You have it set to show 10 posts per page, which is the default setting. Go to your profile, then to your settings, then to your account and right next to that will be the "Number of Posts to Show Per Page:" setting. Set it to show 40 posts per page and save changes. Now you'll see that 15 page have shortened to 4.

Also, the outfit is fabulous. The Jacket and gloves anyway. I only needed those two.

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Originally Posted by Gothicshark

No Boomer wore cargo pants, and club wear in the 90s. That was X-Gen fashion. Do not ignore the X-Gen or we will get a mosh pit up in here.

https://youtu.be/4c3BCWx5Rpg

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Pfft kupo <3 i still rock cargo pants and a tight polo for the kupo pecs kupo <3 it is just da way I roll...... could be worse kupo could be "popped collar" cool kupo hahaha

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Originally Posted by Espon

Ah good, another hat that removes my ears. I was worried that I might be able to wear something nice on my head this expansion.

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Ironically the moogle on the jacket print wears the same hat but it has ears popping out.

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Originally Posted by Averax

TBH i'd love some casual fantasy outfits. Tired of the urban outfits everywhere. Kind of takes you out of it to be in a high fantasy settings and you see someone in a hoodie with jeans and converse shoes.

The only casual fantasy outfits i can think of right now are the oasis sets from golden saucer, and maybe that cloak of happiness thing.

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If only XIV was high fantasy to begin with tho.

Its "Meh" to me. The Megashiba mount is more appealing than it.

wish it came with jean shorts or leather shorts with it and some knee high heeled boots