Is no one happy?

I love this game thats why I pay for it I literally just want a few more DPS actions to break up the monotony of Broil spam on SCH please Yoshida I'm dying here I want to pay you but you refuse to have 1 healer that is different aaaaaaa

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Honestly, both sides are guilty of this. On one hand you have the "white knight, toxic positivity" insults and on the other you have "whiny, entitled, don't like it get lost" crowd. Both positivity and negativity will get you attacked by someone here. People just like arguing too much, to the point where they'll argue for the sake of an argument regardless of whether they have a good point or not.

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Thank You...someone else is finally saying it

I'm happy. I don't think this game is perfect but what game is? If playing the game ever makes me unhappy I'll stop playing.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

Honestly, both sides are guilty of this. On one hand you have the "white knight, toxic positivity" insults and on the other you have "whiny, entitled, don't like it get lost" crowd. Both positivity and negativity will get you attacked by someone here. People just like arguing too much, to the point where they'll argue for the sake of an argument regardless of whether they have a good point or not.

Also both sides really need to stop bringing insults into their posts. Any post that directly insults other players for their opinions is automatically in the wrong and derailing the discussion (even mine if I've done so in the past).

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Very true lol.

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Originally Posted by Allmightpool

So we started an FC, and we are genuinly happy and excited to play the game.

On forums it's all doom and gloom. We are having fun. Why doesn't the ffxiv forum community reflect that.

Overall, this is a great expansion. Came back did ARR, so much better, do the rest.

It's a game, have fun. I love you all!
FF6 Sabin

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People happy with a game play it. People unhappy with a game forum.

Between the msq continually worsening as it tries to pander to streamers and Twitter users who will make it trend, jobs no longer requiring an IQ over 50 to play across the board except the devs' favorites (blm, drg, pld), housing and glamour "fixes" amounting to next to nothing, content being delayed without seeing a noticeable increase in either quality or quantity, and them telling us not to get our hopes up for the content they themselves hyped up the most... no. I'm not all that happy to be honest.

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People just whine and troll on here. Really the only issues going on are a lack of housing, and the Hrothgar/Viera hair and headgear limitations. For 99% of the population everything is fine.

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Who made you the spokesperson for the whole community?
The only issues you say - yet the story and the state of healers are two huge topics. I rarely hear people ingame complain about Viera headgear limitations but that doesn't mean it's not an issue just because I am mostly ignorant to it. Classic "You're all just whiners, everyone else is happy" reply and a perfect example for the attitude of the "other side".

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So we started an FC, and we are genuinly happy and excited to play the game.

On forums it's all doom and gloom. We are having fun. Why doesn't the ffxiv forum community reflect that.

Overall, this is a great expansion. Came back did ARR, so much better, do the rest.

It's a game, have fun. I love you all!
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Buddy, these posts your complaining about are the only reason why FF14 is still alive and why 1.X is buried in the landfill somewhere.
Let people talk. The Devs don't listen anyway. Might as well have people actually feel like their voices are being heard.

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Originally Posted by JTWrenn

People happy with a game play it. People unhappy with a game forum.

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Well given that apparently the forum won't let you post unless you've logged in within the past like 1 or 2 weeks... The unhappy ppl on the forum are apparently paying a sub just to complain... >.>

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Well given that apparently the forum won't let you post unless you've logged in within the past like 1 or 2 weeks... The unhappy ppl on the forum are apparently paying a sub just to complain... >.>

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And what exactly is wrong about complaining? Or critizising something? Or being unhappy with certain aspects of a game?
Has it crossed your mind that some people do like the game but see some serious flaws and would prefer to have them addressed and for things to improve instead of just jumping ship? It is fine to be unhappy with things and voice concerns and it is still possible to enjoy other aspects of the game and have hope for it.
But if the response for everything is "then just don't play it" or "good thing the devs don't listen to anyone anyway" then we have problems. Not now or at least not for everyone but this is exactly the attitude that resulted in the downfall for a lot of other MMOs, not just WoW.

It's not all black and white, the "whiners" don't hate the game or pay the sub just to complain on a forum. Seriously, why would you think that someone does that instead of the much more logical conclucion that they are unhappy with some things but also enjoy enough things to still pay the sub? Just because someone doesn't preface every critique with a long wall of text of things they enjoy doesn't mean they hate the game.

This "you're all just whiners, go play something else if you hate it this much lmao" attitude really needs to stop...

You know how to tell if a game is bad?

The forums are dead. If someone hates something and posts about it, there is something else in the game they love enough to make them stay. Otherwise they would just quit.

So when you see all these angry posts, remember the flip side is all these pissed off people (myself included) have something they like in the game so much they want to keep playing while being that angry.

Game has to be pretty good to accomplish that.

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And what exactly is wrong about complaining? Or critizising something? Or being unhappy with certain aspects of a game?
Has it crossed your mind that some people do like the game but see some serious flaws and would prefer to have them addressed and for things to improve instead of just jumping ship? It is fine to be unhappy with things and voice concerns and it is still possible to enjoy other aspects of the game and have hope for it.
But if the response for everything is "then just don't play it" or "good thing the devs don't listen to anyone anyway" then we have problems. Not now or at least not for everyone but this is exactly the attitude that resulted in the downfall for a lot of other MMOs, not just WoW.

It's not all black and white, the "whiners" don't hate the game or pay the sub just to complain on a forum. Seriously, why would you think that someone does that instead of the much more logical conclucion that they are unhappy with some things but also enjoy enough things to still pay the sub? Just because someone doesn't preface every critique with a long wall of text of things they enjoy doesn't mean they hate the game.

This "you're all just whiners, go play something else if you hate it this much lmao" attitude really needs to stop...

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WoW's downfall wasn't due to ppl saying if you don't like it, don't play it. It's the fact that Blizzard made so many bad decisions on content direction that large amounts of people actually did just drop the game to find something else because they realized they spent years paying for a subscription to a game they no longer enjoyed playing and could no longer turn a blind eye to it hoping it would get better with the next expansion.

But then you didn't post caring about any of that. You just simply wanted to try and create an illusion of being a "good person" in front of an online community. Considering how long you've apparently been here you should know by now only a very small amount of the complaints or criticism for the game on this forum are actually constructive. The rest is just a bunch of nonsense attempting to get attention mixed in with trolling attempts.

Me personally. I play a game until I no longer enjoy playing it. Then I move on. I'll leave feedback on things I would like changed or bugs I run across while playing it. The point of playing a game is enjoyment. If you truly aren't enjoying playing a game then you should go find a different title rather than spend your days paying a sub just to sign into the game once a week for a few minutes so you can piss and moan for months and years on end on a forum. There is no shortage of game titles out there. Nothing says you must play something that's main stream or just released. Find something you do like and play it instead. It's a far healthier solution.

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People happy with a game play it. People unhappy with a game forum.

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I just don't think that should be the case, and I think that mindset is a loss to the value of what a forum could or should be.

When I start liking a thing – game, TV series, whatever – I seek out the forum for that fandom as a way of engaging with other fans about the thing when not playing it. For every other thing besides this game, that lands me in a community of people who primarily like the game and want to talk about it, or hang around and help new players with questions. (I have literally spent years regularly visiting forums for a game you can clear in ten hours.)

Maybe it has shifted over time and forums have gone out of fashion. Maybe it's an attitude in MMOs specifically, where the game continues on infinitely and you don't reach a point where you're finished but still want to talk about the game. Maybe all the positives have trickled away to other places like Discord or in-game chat and I'm just stuck here going "back in my day..." but a forum doesn't have to be just the place you come to complain. It can (or perhaps could, before social media fractured it) be the place where fans gather and talk about what they do and don't enjoy, and a thriving community like that is going to be a more valuable tool for the devs to understand the mood of the fandom.

If people came instead of, or as well as, Reddit and Twitter, I think that would be more powerful than either. I've always preferred the forum structure of keeping all posts in order and not leaving it up to social media algorithms to decide whether pieces of the discussion are visible or not. But to be really useful, it needs the full spread of community voices.

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Well given that apparently the forum won't let you post unless you've logged in within the past like 1 or 2 weeks... The unhappy ppl on the forum are apparently paying a sub just to complain... >.>

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Or they are maybe also playing the game? Games arent just either perfect or garbage. It's difficult for many people (like you) to realize that just because you are critizing something that doesnt mean you hate it. The idea that people who are complaining about aspects of the game can absolutely not also be enjoying the game they like is a wild one.

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This is an awful mentality. If we see the devs to a game we enjoy making bad decisions and driving people away we should just let them drive us away instead of telling them that they're making a mistake? We should just stand by and watch if we think this game we like is going into the shitter? I would quite like the game to get better and make improvements that make it more fun, so I think I'll continue to "piss and moan for months and years on end" until the poor decisions come to an end.

Also I'd really like for you to define "constructive criticism" and explain how it differs from what any of us here post about.

i have played this game sence arr and i still find things to do to keep me busy my most current project is capping all my jobs for the fourth time and gearing them with 500+ gear so yes i am happy at getting another great project done.

I'm very happy with the game.

Course I'm taking breaks and not letting myself burn out.

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I just don't think that should be the case, and I think that mindset is a loss to the value of what a forum could or should be.

When I start liking a thing – game, TV series, whatever – I seek out the forum for that fandom as a way of engaging with other fans about the thing when not playing it. For every other thing besides this game, that lands me in a community of people who primarily like the game and want to talk about it, or hang around and help new players with questions. (I have literally spent years regularly visiting forums for a game you can clear in ten hours.)

Maybe it has shifted over time and forums have gone out of fashion. Maybe it's an attitude in MMOs specifically, where the game continues on infinitely and you don't reach a point where you're finished but still want to talk about the game. Maybe all the positives have trickled away to other places like Discord or in-game chat and I'm just stuck here going "back in my day..." but a forum doesn't have to be just the place you come to complain. It can (or perhaps could, before social media fractured it) be the place where fans gather and talk about what they do and don't enjoy, and a thriving community like that is going to be a more valuable tool for the devs to understand the mood of the fandom.

If people came instead of, or as well as, Reddit and Twitter, I think that would be more powerful than either. I've always preferred the forum structure of keeping all posts in order and not leaving it up to social media algorithms to decide whether pieces of the discussion are visible or not. But to be really useful, it needs the full spread of community voices.

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I have never seen a game forum that was positive. Games at their heights are complained about endlessly, games in the grave are picked at and mocked, it’s never a bright and happy place. I’ll never forget seeing the web of complaints that existed for WoW back in the day when it was at what most considered its peak.

The game can be rather repetitive, but it's a pretty solid formula, so I keep coming back and having fun. :)

I've been playing since 1.0 and still have tons of fun in the game. I do have issues with certain things like Samurai losing Kaiten, but outside of gameplay balancing I am thrilled with the overall state of play.

Since the release of Shadowbringers, the forums have gradually devolved into what you see now. I browse periodically to find nuggets of interest, but General Discussion is filled with people who will never be happy about anything. Spite is rampant and has infected the core. Reddit is far more enjoyable to browse and, for all we know given the lack of acknowledgement from Community Management, Reddit may be just as useful for giving feedback to the development team as the forums are.

This thread has a very...."If you have a reason to complain, why do you still play the game?" vibe.

Has it ever crossed the minds of anyone saying that, that you can like something and also want it to get better at the same time?

I would absolutely love to see a change to housing, how blacklisting works, more games added to the Gold Saucer, more glamour options that aren't just bulky armor for tanks...I can go on for a while. I have a list of things I'd like to see changed but will it make me stop playing? Absolutely not. Because why would I stop playing over stuff like that? I can enjoy the various other aspects of the game that keep me subbed while also pushing for improvement on the areas I find lacking. It doesn't ruin my experience or make things less fun for me, nor should I be told to just play something else because I have complaints. Nothing improves if you just sit on your hands and pretend it doesn't exist.

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Between the msq continually worsening as it tries to pander to streamers and Twitter users who will make it trend, jobs no longer requiring an IQ over 50 to play across the board except the devs' favorites (blm, drg, pld), housing and glamour "fixes" amounting to next to nothing, content being delayed without seeing a noticeable increase in either quality or quantity, and them telling us not to get our hopes up for the content they themselves hyped up the most... no. I'm not all that happy to be honest.

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Ok first off it's clear you have a hate bones for streamers. Sorry but that's probably one of the dumbest takes I've ever seen. The msq is getting worse because they want to pander to streamers and Twitch? Like...wut?

Jobs have never been so complex that folks just couldn't use them so that's also off there. And frankly if we WERE t go by your list Pld isn't hard to use nor is drg. I'd put Monk there in it's place personally.

You say housing fixes amount to nothing yet I'll be one to say I'm VERY glad I don't have to spam placards for days on end. Huge win in my books especially seeing as I'm not up against bots auto clicking now.

Content being delayed yet you see no increase in quality or quantity. When was it ever said we'd be getting more than what's already been layer out? And what piece of content has come out buggy recently? Hell the most recent alliance raid has been pretty much praised by all.

I also see no issues with them telling folks to temper their expectations with things like the Island Sanctuary. They didn't overhype that mode, the playerbase did so let's not try to shift that falsely here. The moment it drops and it's not instanced housing yall will be flooding these threads complaining because you didn't do as the devs asked.

I've said it before n I'll say it again, if you aren't happy and speaking on here ain't doing much speak with your wallet n take your money elsewhere

Give me better high heels and actual bootyshorts or I riot with pointy stick an fireballs! I AM AN ETERNAL GALM FLAME BABY

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So we started an FC, and we are genuinly happy and excited to play the game.

On forums it's all doom and gloom. We are having fun. Why doesn't the ffxiv forum community reflect that.

Overall, this is a great expansion. Came back did ARR, so much better, do the rest.

It's a game, have fun. I love you all!
FF6 Sabin

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As a general rule of thumb, the people who come to the forums tend to have some specific gripe. If you don't have something to complain about, you stay in game(unless you're in a place you can't play currently... but that's the exception not the rule)

So most of what you hear here is people talking about their one or two specific gripes. But the fact that people care enough to post means they MOSTLY like the game still, they're just - most of the time anyways - exaggerating their complaint to an extreme to make it sound more actionable.

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This thread has a very...."If you have a reason to complain, why do you still play the game?" vibe.

Has it ever crossed the minds of anyone saying that, that you can like something and also want it to get better at the same time?

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So much this. If you actually care about something then you make an effort to communicate what your issues with it are and either you attempt to improve where the faults lie, or you attempt to come to terms with it.

If people decided that they should just quit because there's no point in trying to discuss anything then literally no one would be playing.

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So much this. If you actually care about something then you make an effort to communicate what your issues with it are and either you attempt to improve where the faults lie, or you attempt to come to terms with it.

If people decided that they should just quit because there's no point in trying to discuss anything then literally no one would be playing.

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I wholeheartedly agree with that statement.

I just wish people would stop exaggerating so much and stay civilized while discussing. Since people love to point fingers, are passive aggressive and do not like to hear different opinions, I loose interest so fast that I even do no longer follow threads I was invested in. Discussions also tend to spiral around the same few arguments without any progress because of those things, which does not help the discussion either.

I think you’ll find that a lot of people who use forums are also perpetually online or use the game in question as a source of meaning instead of entertainment, something that no game can fulfill

I just want real dungeons, other than that Im fine. the MSQ is in a good direction, the content spread otherwise looks OK, I just want real dungeon content.

Oh and lower end healer gameplay to be fixed. Dear god.

Never go to an official forum for an MMO if you want good vibes, they're all irritation dumping grounds, we all just come here when we're like "THATS IT, I gotta rant for a bit"

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Ok first off it's clear you have a hate bones for streamers. Sorry but that's probably one of the dumbest takes I've ever seen. The msq is getting worse because they want to pander to streamers and Twitch? Like...wut?

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What part of that wasn't clear? They pumped the story full of shallow emotional moments with a bit of sad music and fluff slice of life knowing they'll get the streamer crowd overreacting and pulling out the fake tears or "awwwwww he eat burgy!" to end up on Youtube clip compilations. They care more about trending on social media and making memes than telling a good story.

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Jobs have never been so complex that folks just couldn't use them so that's also off there. And frankly if we WERE t go by your list Pld isn't hard to use nor is drg. I'd put Monk there in it's place personally.

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You have no idea what I'm talking about and are clearly proud of it.

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You say housing fixes amount to nothing yet I'll be one to say I'm VERY glad I don't have to spam placards for days on end. Huge win in my books especially seeing as I'm not up against bots auto clicking now.

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Right, because that was the only problem.

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Content being delayed yet you see no increase in quality or quantity. When was it ever said we'd be getting more than what's already been layer out?

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At the very least it wouldn't be as disappointing if we were getting the same amount as content at the same quality as the previous expansion, not seeing decreases on both fronts.

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And what piece of content has come out buggy recently? Hell the most recent alliance raid has been pretty much praised by all.

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Alright, now I know you're trolling.

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I also see no issues with them telling folks to temper their expectations with things like the Island Sanctuary. They didn't overhype that mode, the playerbase did so let's not try to shift that falsely here. The moment it drops and it's not instanced housing yall will be flooding these threads complaining because you didn't do as the devs asked.

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Then why not at least be honest about what exactly it'll be before it drops? Why can't they do that?

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I've said it before n I'll say it again, if you aren't happy and speaking on here ain't doing much speak with your wallet n take your money elsewhere

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No thanks, I think I would like to be happy in this game again. "Well guess what, the devs AREN'T LISTENING" isn't the dunk you think it is.

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'' I logged in one time then uninstalled ''.
Okay?
Wtf is the point of making a thread about that?

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But I like that thread. It's agreeable.

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So most of what you hear here is people talking about their one or two specific gripes. But the fact that people care enough to post means they MOSTLY like the game still, they're just - most of the time anyways - exaggerating their complaint to an extreme to make it sound more actionable.

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Just a few posts after I say this... someone comes in prove that this comment doesn't apply to EVERYONE and there are some people who just want to be miserable....

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I have never seen a game forum that was positive. Games at their heights are complained about endlessly, games in the grave are picked at and mocked, it’s never a bright and happy place. I’ll never forget seeing the web of complaints that existed for WoW back in the day when it was at what most considered its peak.

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In its day the Eve online forums were largely positive and very friendly.. made that infamous learning curve much much easier to deal with because of how positive and helpful the forums were..

There's also a lot of positivity here. Much of it gets overlooked though because it breaks the golden rule of feedback.

There are only 2 types of feedback.. many assume that they are positive feedback, and negative feedback, that is wrong.. the 2 types of feed back are 1, constructive feedback, and 2, worthless feedback. Positive or negative it doesn't matter.

Saying "this game is amazing" is worthless feedback. In exactly the same way saying "this game is crap" is.

It's not constructive. What exactly is amazing? And why? Just saying it's amazing is meaningless. You could be saying this game has the very best housing system you've ever seen... or that the whm is a super fun and complex job...

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In its day the Eve online forums were largely positive and very friendly.. made that infamous learning curve much much easier to deal with because of how positive and helpful the forums were..

There's also a lot of positivity here. Much of it gets overlooked though because it breaks the golden rule of feedback.

There are only 2 types of feedback.. many assume that they are positive feedback, and negative feedback, that is wrong.. the 2 types of feed back are 1, constructive feedback, and 2, worthless feedback. Positive or negative it doesn't matter.

Saying "this game is amazing" is worthless feedback. In exactly the same way saying "this game is crap" is.

It's not constructive. What exactly is amazing? And why? Just saying it's amazing is meaningless. You could be saying this game has the very best housing system you've ever seen... or that the whm is a super fun and complex job...

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I agree, with your comments pertaining to positivity, actually.

Whilst have been here (on the forums) a good four or so months at this point, not too long after I first started playing I hit a proverbial (personal) brick wall and turned to the forum for advice: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...t-the-Gameplay

The advice/support I received in that thread was invaluable - I was, admittedly, struggling with various aspects of the game and doubting whether I should even continue with it. I did, and that was - in part - thanks to the encouragement that I received here. Granted, there were a few 'get gud' type replies too, but on the whole it was positive and much appreciated.

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What part of that wasn't clear? They pumped the story full of shallow emotional moments with a bit of sad music and fluff slice of life knowing they'll get the streamer crowd overreacting and pulling out the fake tears or "awwwwww he eat burgy!" to end up on Youtube clip compilations. They care more about trending on social media and making memes than telling a good story.



You have no idea what I'm talking about and are clearly proud of it.



Right, because that was the only problem.



At the very least it wouldn't be as disappointing if we were getting the same amount as content at the same quality as the previous expansion, not seeing decreases on both fronts.



Alright, now I know you're trolling.



Then why not at least be honest about what exactly it'll be before it drops? Why can't they do that?



No thanks, I think I would like to be happy in this game again. "Well guess what, the devs AREN'T LISTENING" isn't the dunk you think it is.

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If you found msq to be shallow that's on you. Your opinion isn't the fact of the matter. God forbid a games story let your characters rest and enjoy themselves after all the shit they've been doing since ARR. Also plenty of people (the majority of be willing to but love EWs story. You only really find naysayers here on the OF. (Inb4 "those folks have crap taste in writting")

You claim classes don't requires an IQ past 50 yet I'm telling you NO CLASS has ever been hard to play to such a degree. Simple as that. Yall keep talking about of xiv is brain dead as an exaggeration and it's going to get you knowwhere fast.

May not be the only problem but sure was a huge one.

Trolling because why? I actually check on other areas where the community is and not just listen to the "all of EW is garbo" crowd here?

Why not be honest? That implies there's lies (tells me where you head is). The actual question would be why not be clear. And to that answer we don't know yet. Be patient like the rest of us and I'm sure we'll get more info soon, same with the deep dungeon and Criterion ones (all equating to more than we got for ShB so far, to address your "less content" point).

And I'm not saying the devs aren't listening. I'm saying if you feel they aren't be smart with your money and put it into better things. Others here have done so and they have my respect for that. No "dunk" was even attempted there..

A couple of things.

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I actually check on other areas where the community is and not just listen to the "all of EW is garbo" crowd here?

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I am active within various "communities" for FFXIV as well, and see many various opinions and feedback; even on some of the most positive groups, there's admission that things have been releasing, lately, in a less-than-perfect state. Even Yoshi-P has provided a statement admitting as much.
In your flailing around to defend yourself on an online forum of EW "doomsayers," at the very least, you could keep track of what the developers are saying. Your "perspective" isn't as infallibly broad as you think it is.

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Why not be honest? That implies there's lies (tells me where you head is).

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When someone uses the word "honest," this does include that they would rather the subject not be lying, yes. However, for someone to be honest, they must also be forthcoming with the truth; particularly, if they want consideration or action from other people. For YoshiP to warn us not to let our expectations get too high, but not follow up with what exactly the Island Sanctuary is, unfortunately leaves room for questioning and scrutiny. If he had just been honest about what the Island Sanctuary truly is and simply give us some basic, concrete(-but-subject-to-change) information as to what has been decided, he wouldn't need to worry about expectations going overboard.

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In its day the Eve online forums were largely positive and very friendly.. made that infamous learning curve much much easier to deal with because of how positive and helpful the forums were..

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Looking at the Eve forums today I don’t see much positivity, but I’ll take your word for it that it was better back then.

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There's also a lot of positivity here. Much of it gets overlooked though because it breaks the golden rule of feedback.

There are only 2 types of feedback.. many assume that they are positive feedback, and negative feedback, that is wrong.. the 2 types of feed back are 1, constructive feedback, and 2, worthless feedback. Positive or negative it doesn't matter.

Saying "this game is amazing" is worthless feedback. In exactly the same way saying "this game is crap" is.

It's not constructive. What exactly is amazing? And why? Just saying it's amazing is meaningless. You could be saying this game has the very best housing system you've ever seen... or that the whm is a super fun and complex job...

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It’s clear the forum and, as I was saying before, all game forums have a problem with being slanted in specific direction. Namely a proliferation of subjective, unhelpful negative feedback. I’ll go as far as to say that applies to most of the feedback shared on the forum today. Any criticism of the criticism is then shouted down and cycle of negativity continues. None of this is constructive or helpful.

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I am active within various "communities" for FFXIV as well, and see many various opinions and feedback; even on some of the most positive groups, there's admission that things have been releasing, lately, in a less-than-perfect state. Even Yoshi-P has provided a statement admitting as much.
In your flailing around to defend yourself on an online forum of EW "doomsayers," at the very least, you could keep track of what the developers are saying. Your "perspective" isn't as infallibly broad as you think it is.

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And people ripped Shadowbringers. And Stormblood. And Heavensward. And ARR. The issue isn’t critique it’s proclaiming that the game is dying or is in a uniquely bad state when it isn’t. That’s the problem with “doomsaying.”

Honestly, I am quite happy in a general sense.

I have my complaints, such as jobs not being as fun anymore, and the drip-feed of content that they've stuck to since Heavensward being less than ideal. However, for the most part I'm just grateful to have experienced Endwalker. Faults and all. Even if I recognize that four expansions in, I do not care for the fact that they still opt to withhold any new combat content until 8-12 months into the cycle around X.2/3. I do not like that they still feel that PvE jobs should only be adjusted during patch drops and not with hotfixes, nor do I feel they have a good read on the pulse of the playerbase's satisfaction level.

There's a lot to be desired, but I am still happy with what we've gotten.

Going back to content—I do feel, however, that after 6.X's conclusion, before 7.0, they need to consider that leaving the first eight months of an expansion bereft of content is a bad idea. Relics, the trial series, deep dungeon, casual content, etc. should not be relegated for nearly a year after the expansion drops. Nor should they delay the introduction of extra sources of experience for the various disciplines so far out where there's no genuine benefit for those playing at/from launch to pursue them other than some tacked on token they conjured up to force them to be relevant. It's disrespectful of player's time and effort.

My issues don't stem from Endwalker, but rather the way they approach and handle the game and it's content-scheduling as a whole. I feel like that matters far more than the individual expansion launches, as that is what provides the most value for your subscription.

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Originally Posted by EaraGrace

And people ripped Shadowbringers. And Stormblood. And Heavensward. And ARR.

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Good.

Meanwhile people were also declaring perfection for those same expansion. It's been a broad sea of remarks, and there's nothing wrong with any of it.

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The issue isn’t critique it’s proclaiming that the game is dying or is in a uniquely bad state when it isn’t. That’s the problem with “doomsaying.”

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I'd say the issue is that we have people mistaking presented feedback with variable emotional quality as "doomsaying" because they take personal issue with the feedback, either in the quality in how it's presented, or because of who, specifically, presented the feedback, or because it doesn't match exactly how the reader feels. There's actually quite a bit of constructive feedback about issues that are brought up, and the potential for discussion is generally there, but the "doomsaying" and "whiteknighting" happens when someone goes into a thread with the idea of trying to police others thoughts and opinions, and not actually discuss the topic at hand.

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Originally Posted by MintnHoney

A couple of things.



I am active within various "communities" for FFXIV as well, and see many various opinions and feedback; even on some of the most positive groups, there's admission that things have been releasing, lately, in a less-than-perfect state. Even Yoshi-P has provided a statement admitting as much.
In your flailing around to defend yourself on an online forum of EW "doomsayers," at the very least, you could keep track of what the developers are saying. Your "perspective" isn't as infallibly broad as you think it is.



When someone uses the word "honest," this does include that they would rather the subject not be lying, yes. However, for someone to be honest, they must also be forthcoming with the truth; particularly, if they want consideration or action from other people. For YoshiP to warn us not to let our expectations get too high, but not follow up with what exactly the Island Sanctuary is, unfortunately leaves room for questioning and scrutiny. If he had just been honest about what the Island Sanctuary truly is and simply give us some basic, concrete(-but-subject-to-change) information as to what has been decided, he wouldn't need to worry about expectations going overboard.

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Never said doomsayers first off. And sure theres been very minor bugs here and there. Housing has been the biggest bit. The lottery (which isn't content) was the issue. Housing itself functions as it should. But it's been nothing on the vein of this "super buggy expac" that others tout and use as evidence that the game is going downhill. Never said my perspective is infallible. That's your injection. Also let's refrain from taking shots, it's not needed and only serves to create issues

We wouldn't have to worry about expectations going overboard if we just wait and see what it is. I'm not about to blame what isn't said on my take on something. That's off

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Around here, at least, it feels like any attempt to say anything positive about the game is immediately bombarded with arguments and insults, accusations of white knighting or toxic positivity, or quickly derailed into yet another rant about EW's story. Usually two or more of the above. We get it, people have legitimate complaints, but other people are allowed to enjoy things too.

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I guess your whole thing is saying forums bad cuz they complain huh.