Give OCE players a free transfer off their dead datacenter.

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wasnt it obvious that a completely new data centre would need some time to get a decent amount of players? new players dont just appear out of nowhere on day 1... and other players have their home on the old datacentre. of course not all of them gonna go to the new one.

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I guess, many of the loud "we want OCE servers"-vocals vastly overestimated their population. :) But Patch 6.1 is ready and many players will return to the game. :)



Cheers

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I guess, many of the loud "we want OCE servers"-vocals vastly overestimated their population. :) But Patch 6.1 is ready and many players will return to the game. :)



Cheers

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As mentioned many times in this thread, and in the other threads:

There were no "we want OCE server" voices louder than the Japanese who wanted us off their turf.

A lot of the queue issue I feel is a combination of more players than people think being lower leveled/in past expansions. And many people have only unlocked stuff on the main path.

I saw someone saying they were in an Ivalice queue for over an hour while at the same time I was having Alliance roulette pop every 10 minutes or less as a DPS that only has Crystal Tower raids unlocked

Yes, the population is low across the data center. Its especially slow during Aussie weekday mornings. But its going to take time for the population to grow.

In the meantime, Square Enix could hopefully look into tweaking the matchmaking system somehow to help the situation. Maybe give a gameplay incentive for unlocking Sky Pirate/Ivalice alliance raids, non MSQ dungeons, and increases rewards for trial roulette

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As mentioned many times in this thread, and in the other threads:

There were no "we want OCE server" voices louder than the Japanese who wanted us off their turf.

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But you were loud enough to get the servers. :) And i guess, the situation will be better with Patch 6.1. I have seen many players returning to the game in the last week. :)



Cheers

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There were no "we want OCE server" voices louder than the Japanese who wanted us off their turf.

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See it like this, at least the Japanese who wanted that also didn't get their wish, or Tonberry and Kujata would have been moved, which would have also given the nascent data center a big initial population boost.

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See it like this, at least the Japanese who wanted that also didn't get their wish, or Tonberry and Kujata would have been moved, which would have also given the nascent data center a big initial population boost.

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I did wonder if they'd thought about moving Tonberry. The uproar would have been merciless but you're right, it would have given the datacentre a leg to stand on.

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But you were loud enough to get the servers. :) And i guess, the situation will be better with Patch 6.1. I have seen many players returning to the game in the last week. :)
Cheers

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And again, as mentioned by myself and others in this thread, and the other threads - exactly where were these loud OCE people that wanted servers? They weren't in my community. No one wanted to see their raid groups and friends get split with people stressing out whether to stay or leave. Can you link some threads? I didn't see them on the forums either.

And again, as mentioned, I am grateful for the datacentre but believe it could have a lot of issues solved by opening cross region with NA.

Maybe I should just set this as a signature.

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And again, as mentioned by myself and others in this thread, and the other threads - exactly where were these loud OCE people that wanted servers? They weren't in my community. No one wanted to see their raid groups and friends get split with people stressing out whether to stay or leave. Can you link some threads? I didn't see them on the forums either.

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https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...73-Ping-issues.
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...erver-location
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ceania-players
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ncy-at-Endgame
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...g-to-Australia
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...Oceanic-Server!!
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ceanic-Servers
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-servers-next-)
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...rs-Heavensward
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...better-latency
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...h-East-Asia-SE
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-there-or-stay
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...for-6.0-Please!!!!
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...CE-Data-Center



And i am sure, that i have missed out many other threads. :)


Cheers

I am unsure how things are there currently, but I know many did not wish to re level literally everything FC related, re attempt to get a house, and lose many other things they currently had already. Though it has been pretty dead recently on primal at least at odd hours. I used to be able to queue for stuff even at 5am est but if you queued two weeks ago it was pretty long no matter what roll you were playing. Could just be my luck, but I think it was just many people taking a break before the big patch. Though OCE has a different issue. If they want everyone off their server they need to just edit your information within the game so you do not have to do any of these things. I know from playing other things and having administrative permissions you could make exceptions if someone's character was lost and give them items they lost or edit their ranking up and such. There should be some exceptions and they should give more compensation for the hours of work lost when actually transferring to a new server.

Just some observations as a NA player with a character I moved from Kujata to Zurvan to play with my Aus friend when he made the move.

My queue times are no worse on OCE than they are at times on NA as a DPS, even though I play at off peak times for OCE.

The ping is slightly worse for me on Zurvan than it was on Kujata which is to be expected. It only really affected my gameplay once and that was on Bismark when to me it looked like he had just been harpooned in and I jumped onto his back from my perspective and really jumped into the abys as he had already left. I laughed pretty hard about that and my group gave me a much deserved ribbing which also had me chuckling. I don't care about serious end game stuff so it just isn't a big crises for me to have more ping.

The Marketboard on Zurvan is tough with many things not available.Sales are very slow but things do sell eventually but you do have to spend a little time and figure out what is moving and what isn't. Not that I am a big marketboard player (I am not) but it is just good sense to do your research if you are planning to sell.

If you are a social player then Zurvan is not the server for you. It is quiet even during peak times. For me that is perfection as I much prefer small servers where I can just be left alone to do my own thing. It is not a good fit for some though.

Housing I really don't care. Really not much I need more than an apartment for the way I play the game.

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This would be more impressive if you'd actually read anything you've linked. But it's ok, I can spell it out for you since you seem to need some help.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...73-Ping-issues.

This is asking for ping reducing advice. No mention of asking for OCE servers.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...erver-location

This is a general thread asking for more server locations in general. The OP mentions East Coast USA and Europe.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ceania-players

This thread is asking for the ability to pay in NZD or AUD as a reason for an Aus server. Guess what, even with the Aus servers now, we still have to pay in Euros. Boy, we're really getting what we asked for huh.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ncy-at-Endgame

This thread acknowledges an OCE datacentre is unlikely, and is asking for advice on where to play.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...g-to-Australia

This thread is excited YoshiP is visiting Australia.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...Oceanic-Server

Ooh you got one! A thread from 2014. Nice job!

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ceanic-Servers

This thread acknowledges a OCE datacentre is unlikely and is instead asking if we could designate an English speaking server on the JP datacentre.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-servers-next-
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...rs-Heavensward

2015 here! You got some. Let's keep going.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...better-latency

This thread has OP firmly rebuffed that Aus servers would be a waste of resources and money. At the end, they discuss WTF and other ping reducing options.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...h-East-Asia-SE

I'm a bit embarrassed for you here, but it's ok, we can talk about geography. This thread is about SEA - South East Asia. This encompasses countries such as Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia who probably represent a far greater population of players than Aus/NZ. It's been discussed a lot if the datacentre would have been better in Singapore, instead of Australia, because we all wondered if this demographic was indeed bigger than Aus/NZ on Tonberry.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-there-or-stay

Oops, this one is about SEA again. That's a different region.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...for-6.0-Please

Ah a single post with no replies! I guess you got one more.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...CE-Data-Center


One more thread, what are we on now. 5 threads over 10 years. Good job, you're right, it's been an absolute onslaught of constant asking for an OCE datacentre.

Oh wait, it hasn't.

What is has been about - as mentioned many, many times by YoshiP, is the severe congestion of Tonberry. We saw it at its absolute worst at the start of EW which saw OCE rushed out as soon as they were able to. We know JPN players have been asking for somewhere for Aus/NZ to go to, we know the prevalence of "JP ONLY" groups in PF as well as 6 hour + login times on EW launch has been pushing animosity between the two cultures. Hell, we even know that the reason they walked back their cross-region visits idea, despite saying they could do it, was out of concern for JP players who did not want to play with English speaking communities. I can't remember Yoshi's wording, I'd have to find the post. Cultural differences, perhaps.

We also know that SEA players cannot represent themselves in location data as they have to register as NA or Aus players. SEA pings higher to Australia than Japan so they had zero reason to move.

But all of this has been mentioned already in this discussion that you've skipped over while patting yourself on the back for dealing a "you deserve what you asked for" zinger.

Ravana isn't dead it's actually over populated and I sometimes get a log-in que of lower then 50 but it's still a que suggesting non dead status

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SEA pings higher to Australia than Japan so they had zero reason to move.

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It didn't have to be this way. Unfortunately, Square made a bad decision that excludes most SEA players from Materia by having an unnecessarily awful ping.

They chose NTT, a Japanese telco, for their connectivity to the DC in Sydney. Why? Probably because NTT are big in Japan, but in Australia? They are third-rate.

The problem is, no-one except Australian domestic ISPs interconnect with NTT in Sydney. Most south-east asian ISPs reach NTT in the US, at their San Jose peering. Consequently, your traffic crosses the Pacific twice for a >300ms ping. Many SEA players currently get 110-150ms to the JP servers, so a world transfer seems super detrimental.

It's possible to have 90ms from Jakarta to Sydney, but Square would have to switch transit provider to one of the few Australian tier 1 ISPs that have great regional peering, e.g. by transporting their SEA traffic via one of the Perth fibre landings.

Even more embarrassing, NTT are so far down the pecking order in Australia that even some local ISPs don't peer with them, and you can live in Sydney but have a 320ms ping to Materia. For Australian players, that's easy to fix, just churn to a different access provider. For internationals, the only option is, roll the dice and spend extra on a gaming VPN that may improve matters.

I don't know if Square realise any of this, or care, but it strangled OCE from birth because many SEA players don't want to migrate to a much worse ping.

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Ravana isn't dead it's actually over populated and I sometimes get a log-in que of lower then 50 but it's still a que suggesting non dead status

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How many are Bots? the sheer anount of lvl 40-50 bards farming is probably the real reason imo.

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How many are Bots? the sheer anount of lvl 40-50 bards farming is probably the real reason imo.

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this was a major cause for the login queues, seems all the bots got taken care of after all the complaints and reports

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Ravana isn't dead it's actually over populated and I sometimes get a log-in que of lower then 50 but it's still a que suggesting non dead status

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Eh, not exactly. The log in queue is to prevent everyone from logging in at the same time and straining the server. Its more like 50 people trying to enter a single door to an empty building. Not really a good indication of population.

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Eh, not exactly. The log in queue is to prevent everyone from logging in at the same time and straining the server. Its more like 50 people trying to enter a single door to an empty building. Not really a good indication of population.

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huh? ehh? no it's like 2000 people trying to get in that same door not 50 as you suggest. Meaning, I will repeat ...... Ravana-is-not-dead bots or no bots I play there and it is populated from 9am to 10pm with lots of non bots I play with. I can see with my own eyes that Ravana isn't dead which is irrefutable evidence.

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huh? ehh? no it's like 2000 people trying to get in that same door not 50 as you suggest. Meaning, I will repeat ...... Ravana-is-not-dead bots or no bots you are forgetting I play there and it is populated from 9am to 10pm with lots of non bots I play with. I can see with my own eyes that Ravana isn't dead which is irrefutable evidence.

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90% of the bots are now gone, seems the support staff took notice to all the reports finally.

When the player base of the server are sitting in main cities and not actually playing the game, it does look populated.

In reality, the actual content of the game (majority of casual content such as duty finder) has queues upto 10 times longer than other datacenters.

Tiger is also correct, the Login queue is only there to stutter players logins to stop the login servers crashing, it is not an accurate representation of the player base.

The last few days have been great, with players returning from other games to prepare for 6.1, queues have only been 10-20 minutes instead of 40 minutes in the evenings.

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90% of the bots are now gone, seems the support staff took notice to all the reports finally.

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One thing I've noticed as a real thing is that our support tickets seem to be dealt with extremely well. I could do a ticket on the NA servers and it would be ignored, but every ticket I've done on our servers has been actioned bar one.

Our fellowship finder is even nicely clean of spam, because they step in so fast.

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I saw those pictures and they were all level 41 bots and no level 41 bots can buy a house because it is impossible to be a 2lt by now and they have to run around shooting stuff to get 2 level of hunting logs so wow no. The only reason to have a bot is to buy a house right? ok then they pose no threat atm, but we are watching them and will report them along with everyone else I report to.

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Did you miss the ~100 FC's on the lodestone page that were level 25 FC Leaders with rank 6 FC's all named "adasdfg" and similar, all second lieutenant with Twin Adder.

They were ranked 42-150ish on the lodestones weekly FC contributions

It seems the support team has taken care of the farming bots, but the housing ones are still there.

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...It seems the support team has taken care of the farming bots, but the housing ones are still there.

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Housing isn't opened yet. Support can't do anything if the players have done nothing wrong.

It's not against the TOS to be named "adasdfg"

Wait until they get a house, note them, watch for a sale, report.

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Did you miss the ~100 FC's on the lodestone page that were level 25 FC Leaders with rank 6 FC's all named "adasdfg" and similar, all second lieutenant with Twin Adder.

They were ranked 42-150ish on the lodestones weekly FC contributions

It seems the support team has taken care of the farming bots, but the housing ones are still there.

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Is it that bad? sighhhhh

I wish instead of people saying, " get off the sinking ship." I wish they could say, " let's go help them save OCE."

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Ravana isn't dead it's actually over populated and I sometimes get a log-in que of lower then 50 but it's still a que suggesting non dead status

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The queue is shared across the entire DC, so it's not indicative of Ravana.
It also isn't an indication of the current logged in player count, it's just the amount of players logging into the DC at the same time, so they can regulate the flow of characters connecting in.

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I wish instead of people saying, " get off the sinking ship." I wish they could say, " let's go help them save OCE."

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Agreed. Which is why I'm hoping these threads will provide enough feedback to SE that they'd consider opening cross region for OCE. I believe players would have been more comfortable moving in the first place if we knew we could still do content with our international friends weve shared since the game launched. Especially in terms of end game savage and ultimates.

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I wish instead of people saying, " get off the sinking ship." I wish they could say, " let's go help them save OCE."

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People are basically selfish. They're not going to help unless they get some benefit out of the arrangement.

Many OCE players stayed on NA because of houses, statics and friends. Lack of houses in personal wards rules out those that were waiting until they can get a house. Lack of regional data center travel rules out those who want to keep playing with their friends and statics.

How do you get them to help when it means leaving behind the things that had been meaningful to them and nothing in return over a chance for improved ping (which a lot of players don't actually care about because it doesn't severely impact their style of game play).

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The queue is shared across the entire DC, so it's not indicative of Ravana.
It also isn't an indication of the current logged in player count, it's just the amount of players logging into the DC at the same time, so they can regulate the flow of characters connecting in.

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Are you certain about that? Log in queues on Coeurl most definitely are not shared with Balmung even though we're on the same data center. Start of expansion I was getting into the game within 15 minutes while Balmung friends would be stuck in queue 3-4 hours.

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Agreed. Which is why I'm hoping these threads will provide enough feedback to SE that they'd consider opening cross region for OCE. I believe players would have been more comfortable moving in the first place if we knew we could still do content with our international friends weve shared since the game launched. Especially in terms of end game savage and ultimates.

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But that has the potential to backfire if all the movement is from OCE to NA/EU, and none from NA/EU to OCE (other than players returning briefly to their home worlds).

The goal should be to make Materia an active data center, not pushing the population back to other data centers.

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People are basically selfish. They're not going to help unless they get some benefit out of the arrangement.

Many OCE players stayed on NA because of houses, statics and friends. Lack of houses in personal wards rules out those that were waiting until they can get a house. Lack of regional data center travel rules out those who want to keep playing with their friends and statics.

How do you get them to help when it means leaving behind the things that had been meaningful to them and nothing in return over a chance for improved ping (which a lot of players don't actually care about because it doesn't severely impact their style of game play).


Are you certain about that? Log in queues on Coeurl most definitely are not shared with Balmung even though we're on the same data center. Start of expansion I was getting into the game within 15 minutes while Balmung friends would be stuck in queue 3-4 hours.


But that has the potential to backfire if all the movement is from OCE to NA/EU, and none from NA/EU to OCE (other than players returning briefly to their home worlds).

The goal should be to make Materia an active data center, not pushing the population back to other data centers.

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That's when the servers actually are at max capacity. That'll never happen on any of the OCE worlds currently with the population of Ravana being a 3rd of the NA ones.

I guess it's what you're used to. As someone who only really started when the OCE servers were released, I've been loving it. Now granted I brought 11 of my friends as new players with me so obviously that helps massively. But the experience in general has been great. Sure when I've done some of dungeons/trials solo I've had to wait a bit for it to pop, but it's generally on average been around 10 minute wait as DPS. Only time I've ever had to wait nearly 30 minutes was once and it was way outside peak hours.

I do wonder how many more on OCE are like us, new players who aren't as visible yet to the max level transfers and thus exacerbating the perceived problem of not enough people. Given how much content there is in this game, the majority of us in our 'new' FC are still just finishing Heavensward.

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I guess it's what you're used to. As someone who only really started when the OCE servers were released, I've been loving it. Now granted I brought 11 of my friends as new players with me so obviously that helps massively. But the experience in general has been great. Sure when I've done some of dungeons/trials solo I've had to wait a bit for it to pop, but it's generally on average been around 10 minute wait as DPS. Only time I've ever had to wait nearly 30 minutes was once and it was way outside peak hours.

I do wonder how many more on OCE are like us, new players who aren't as visible yet to the max level transfers and thus exacerbating the perceived problem of not enough people. Given how much content there is in this game, the majority of us in our 'new' FC are still just finishing Heavensward.

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I remember many years ago (like during Wrath) on WoW on a very low pop server/battlegroup waiting nearly 4 hours for a DPS queue. the 10-30 minutes I have on OCE just doesn't feel like a big deal to me.

I believe this data center needs some time to grow? Its just a sprout, be patient with it; just as all players need to be patient with sprouts.

Having so many people say, "We knew it would be dead so we didn't transfer", just perpetuate a self fulfilling prophecy, and they have the ignorance to say, "oh look at me, I was right!". Give me a break, you can't take credit for a prediction if you are part of the reason the prediction came true.

Personally I'm having a great time on OCE with low ping. Brought all the people I need with me and we are having a ball. I recommend for those that struggle to get through queues, join an active FC and ask for help like the days before auto queues were a thing in MMOs. Can be quite social and fun. I've even seen group runs being organized through the OCE FFXIV Facebook group and discords. The people are there, but there's just too many duties in FFXIV to be randomly grouped with enough players from our budding DC.

I also very much agree with Gember, the DC needs time to grow.

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It didn't have to be this way. Unfortunately, Square made a bad decision that excludes most SEA players from Materia by having an unnecessarily awful ping.

They chose NTT, a Japanese telco, for their connectivity to the DC in Sydney. Why? Probably because NTT are big in Japan, but in Australia? They are third-rate.

The problem is, no-one except Australian domestic ISPs interconnect with NTT in Sydney. Most south-east asian ISPs reach NTT in the US, at their San Jose peering. Consequently, your traffic crosses the Pacific twice for a >300ms ping. Many SEA players currently get 110-150ms to the JP servers, so a world transfer seems super detrimental.

It's possible to have 90ms from Jakarta to Sydney, but Square would have to switch transit provider to one of the few Australian tier 1 ISPs that have great regional peering, e.g. by transporting their SEA traffic via one of the Perth fibre landings.

Even more embarrassing, NTT are so far down the pecking order in Australia that even some local ISPs don't peer with them, and you can live in Sydney but have a 320ms ping to Materia. For Australian players, that's easy to fix, just churn to a different access provider. For internationals, the only option is, roll the dice and spend extra on a gaming VPN that may improve matters.

I don't know if Square realise any of this, or care, but it strangled OCE from birth because many SEA players don't want to migrate to a much worse ping.

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That's really a bummer, I was disappointed they went with NTT here in the US and I still get better connection to EU than to NA servers from the US east coast it's a bit absurd too.

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I guess it's what you're used to. As someone who only really started when the OCE servers were released, I've been loving it. Now granted I brought 11 of my friends as new players with me so obviously that helps massively. But the experience in general has been great. Sure when I've done some of dungeons/trials solo I've had to wait a bit for it to pop, but it's generally on average been around 10 minute wait as DPS. Only time I've ever had to wait nearly 30 minutes was once and it was way outside peak hours.

I do wonder how many more on OCE are like us, new players who aren't as visible yet to the max level transfers and thus exacerbating the perceived problem of not enough people. Given how much content there is in this game, the majority of us in our 'new' FC are still just finishing Heavensward.

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I think people underestimate how many people there are in older content. Im still in ARR doing my relic because I have more fun that way. Many FC mates are entering HW

I think what Square Enix should be doing is giving people big incentive to unlock off the MSQ path content to help populate roulettes.

Trail roulettes need help too. I remember on my old character having to wait nearly two hours for titania, and that was on a NA server. people act like some of that story stuff is quick queues in the other regions when they are often not.

Honestly, it's not great to let a few dissatisfied people and (worse) a single schadenfrude happy non-regional "cheer" on the wrong opinion. I feel bad for the people who regret their move and hope they know they can always come back when the frontier feel is a little lower. But that's still easily a year off.

It's a new data centre with a bulk of players starting from level 1, and as far as I see it's doing quite well. SE botched up a bit which has hampered it, but it will recover, as all the SE botchups have recovered.

DC is far and away a long way from being on it's last legs.

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I think people underestimate how many people there are in older content. Im still in ARR doing my relic because I have more fun that way. Many FC mates are entering HW

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Yeah, I'm only in Stormblood. Most of my new friends are in HW. The queues are fine away from EW. Even Eureka is now starting to become chatty at times. I love it.

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I think people underestimate how many people there are in older content. Im still in ARR doing my relic because I have more fun that way. Many FC mates are entering HW

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I have to admit I was shocked when I saw someone saying they're waiting 30 minutes in a queue for end game instances during prime time. Certainly not been my experience in the ARR/HW content. During prime time 5-10 min queue for DPS max.

All I can say is that at the very least, myself and my FC are coming to endgame (for what it's worth)! Just need to be a little patient.

I've been debating between moving and saying put for so long now. Currently on Primal and have no issues getting queues (less than 1 minute) regardless of the hour I'm playing (apart from on patch days where everyone is doing the new thing) and the ping is very playable (frequently high blue parses). The better ping on OCE would be nice, but that queue times can be pretty rough. It would be nice to make some friends on the server that I could actually hang out with outside the game, but at the end of the day I just don't have the confidence that the queue time is going to get better. I also play primarily at night 11pm - 5am, so I rarely get primetime queues from OCE which only makes the prospect of moving that much less.

NA servers really worked for me because I was part of a static (pretty much disbanded) that ran during NA primetime (midday for AUS), so I could do the raiding, go to work, and come home and still get good queues. With the new job changes my reasons for moving are becoming less and less. Would be nice to hang out with the OCE crowd, but I just can't bring myself to move to a server that doesn't have those really nice queue times. That I have very little idea what the raid scene is like. Then I think, if I move to OCE, I can get a more standard 9-5 and still be able to play, which would give me a lot more options, and now I can't a good decision.

If the OCE scene was a little more active I would move over in a heartbeat, and unfortunately there is very little the devs can actually do. It's too difficult to incentivise people breaking friendships and playing on other servers that can only really offer slightly better ping and playing with other OCE people, and for a lot of us, it just isn't that big of an issue at this point.

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I have read all the links, even the SEA link. :)

The point is, there are no other good reasons for "local servers" than a better latency and better connection stability. If the internet connection would not be limited by some physical laws then one huge global data center would be enough for everyone. The SEA link falls into the same category: lower the latency even for OCE players because SEA is nearer that JP. :) But if you still do not like the link then ignore it. The remaining list is still big. And this are the links, i have found quickly. I am sure, with other search terms i would find more. :)

The demand for local OCE servers was there and SQEX delivered it. And maybe today, after the content patch, the OCE players will find other players for group content quicker. :)


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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

I have read all the links, even the SEA link. :)

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do you honestly not feel embarrassed to say that? 5 out of the 14 links you provided were about OCE servers, 1 thread with 3 pages from 8 (!) years ago, 2 more from 7 (!) years ago with 4 and 8 pages, respectively. that is not the loud voice that you implied in the earlier post :)

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Originally Posted by Osteichthyes

I've been debating between moving and saying put for so long now.

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I play outside of Aus prime time too and Ive been finding the day time queues just absolutely awful for EW content. There is certainly not the varied timezones of players that NA has. Cross region would really help with this, I think. Hop over to NA for day time, head back to OCE for the prime time.

If you really wanna leave then you gotta pay.

I went for the Road to 80, and will pay to return to a US server after my 90 days are up there.

I regret nothing.

I transferred in week 2 of the DC opening because I was really tired of high ping and needing a VPN tunnel, and I wanted to be a part of helping the new DC get off the ground.

Currently I'm planning to transfer back to my original NA server once the 90 restriction period is up which for me is in about 3 weeks.

I don't mind long queues, I have a lot of time to play the game. But there is loads of content which simply NEVER pops no matter how long you queue for it. There isn't enough people queueing across the entire datacenter to fill even one instance, at any time of day. To say nothing of more niche content like running old raids for glamour. I had to pay people (in gil, obviously) to do an unsynced run of an Omega raid for a glam piece I wanted. The new PvP revamp just dropped and I haven't been able to get a single run of Frontlines across probably 4-5 hours of queueing at different times of day. Yeah, everyone is doing Crystal Conflict, but not even ONE Frontlines, even just for the daily bonus at prime time? I've been playing since Heavensward and even back then when the playerbase was a fraction of what it is now, I've never had population issues like this before.

I will be livid to have to give up the better ping, some jobs were effectively unplayable back on NA even with a VPN, but what's the use of good ping if you can't even play the game when or how you want?

If we knew that cross-region DC travel was coming, I would maybe stay and hold on until it released so I could simply DC hop when I was having content troubles. But cross-region has not been announced and is being deliberately held back because of possible cultural problems. If it is ever added then I might return to OCE, but I would be foolish to stay just on the hope they might add it one day.