VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

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Originally Posted by Avidria

I'm glad I like more of the guy Viera hairstyles than the gals, but the option set is still pretty abysmal. I'm also glad we have actually gotten new styles at all, even though they're styles I personally probably won't be using. The ponytail is one of my favorite styles in the game but it just doesn't look good on Viera.

But yeah. Signed for hoping they give us some kind of love soon. I love this game and I love Viera, but limitations built into them are still pretty disappointing on the whole.

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i think a problem that they have in common (especially with au ra) is that they have different shaped heads and so the older hairstyles kinda frame their face differently and looks off.

this is also true for hrothgar. through certain means you are able to forcibly put on different hrothgar hairstyles onto the different faces, and for the most part they clip or just sit on their head like a bad wig which is why i assume hrothgar hair is the way it is. but then again that begs the question: what was the logic behind this design choice? why did they just make hrothgar into a dollar-store knockoff ronso instead of going all in on ronso? they went all in on viera and they were well received (aside from the hair/hat issue).

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I've definitely been seeing more and more people switch back off viera again. I think many switched because of the hairstyle update, but, yeah, obviously it is not enough yet. There just isn't enough variety in hairs, and the quality is really iffy on many. I am a bit concerned with how further ported hairs will look.

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Thing is, I don't feel like "myself" when I play Au Ra. When vieras were released I finally had a race I absolutely adored (and I played Au Ra before that, but viera felt like "home"). I loved everything about her, even with the lack of hairstyles. Now I am not enjoying the game as much since I feel I don't have access to the entire game regardless oh what race I play. Either I play Au Ra, have access to all things ingame but have to be without my beloved viera, or I go viera and well....a large part of glamoptions disappear for me. It feels bad. I am already regretting using a fantasia but I have two more so.....

And honestly Idk about the coming hairstyles. On Au ra it is just crazy. There are so many options, and even the 5head ponytail sits good on my character. You have the racespecific ones, the raceshared ones and then the added/optional ones. there are soooo many hairstyles for all other races. How can they not see that the discrepancy would be so noticeable? Or do they see but not care? Why say we were getting more hairstyles and then not deliver? Why add those hairstyles first? Will we ever catch up?

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

Thing is, I don't feel like "myself" when I play Au Ra. When vieras were released I finally had a race I absolutely adored (and I played Au Ra before that, but viera felt like "home"). I loved everything about her, even with the lack of hairstyles. Now I am not enjoying the game as much since I feel I don't have access to the entire game regardless oh what race I play. Either I play Au Ra, have access to all things ingame but have to be without my beloved viera, or I go viera and well....a large part of glamoptions disappear for me. It feels bad. I am already regretting using a fantasia but I have two more so.....

And honestly Idk about the coming hairstyles. On Au ra it is just crazy. There are so many options, and even the 5head ponytail sits good on my character. You have the racespecific ones, the raceshared ones and then the added/optional ones. there are soooo many hairstyles for all other races. How can they not see that the discrepancy would be so noticeable? Or do they see but not care? Why say we were getting more hairstyles and then not deliver? Why add those hairstyles first? Will we ever catch up?

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I feel the same way about them. Still, I do also like my au ra quite a bit, I wouldn't be playing the same one for so long otherwise. I do know the fantasia regret all to well..

Yep, au ra has everything available, from short to long, and a variety of each, so it can make it easier to glamour, and vary your look(s). It's probably pretty jarring after having played a viera for so long. I'm sure they do see the discrepancy, it's just simply not a priority at all, and apparently they never intended on adding any further styles previously anyway. It is still too early to say if they won't deliver this time around, but I am not going to get my hopes up. I want to be pleasantly surprised. Will viera ever catch up? I seriously doubt it. Best we can hope for is a decent selection of varied, quality, hairstyles.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I feel the same way about them. I enjoy doing the story much more when I'm on my viera. I pretty much like everything about them.. and then the limitations rear their ugly head. Still, I do also like my au ra quite a bit, I wouldn't be playing the same one for so long otherwise. I do know the fantasia regret all to well..

Yep, au ra has everything available, from short to long, and a variety of each, so it can make it easier to glamour, and vary your look(s). It's probably pretty jarring after having played a viera for so long. I'm sure they do see the discrepancy, it's just simply not a priority at all, and apparently they never intended on adding any further styles previously anyway. It is still too early to say if they won't deliver this time around, but I am not going to get my hopes up. I want to be pleasantly surprised. Will viera ever catch up? I seriously doubt it. Best we can hope for is a decent selection of varied, quality, hairstyles.

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It just boggles my mind that a big company like this, that boasts 22mil players worldwide, would leave such gaping holes in their design. It is ridic that hrothgars have to pay to change hairstyle. And I am with you, vieras are not prioritized and probably never will be. They will probably never catch up and there will be little reason to run certain events for vieras and hrothgar until they decide to actually rework their designs. Which will happen approximately when they fix up the other races as well....(never).

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

Which will happen approximately when they fix up the other races as well....(never).

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Man, I love this community. I was afraid even chiming in would elicit some variant of “Oh, G-d, this thread again.” but honestly it hasn’t

I want Square to come back in and finish the Hrothgar and Viera. Really finish them and polish them and make them shine. I don’t know about my Viera compatriots but I’m ok with wearing a brainbucket where my ears don’t stick through. But I’m not ok with the combination of my mullet, posture and regular armor looking like a complete mess in the back.

I get why people forget to check these areas, but, the one who sees my character the most, by far is I. The part of my character I see the most is the back. And I’ve grown out my horrible hair twice now for locks of love and when it gets too unruly back there?

A hat. So just clean it up or let me wear a hat.

At this point I'd be content if Hrothgar hairstyles weren't linked to their faces. 4 hairstyles with some slight tweaks for the whole race.

Viera players wanna complain about fewer / no hats and limited hairstyles, after getting the "missing half" of their race in Endwalker? Get in my corner, yo.

Unlinking the hair from the Hrothgar faces would be a step in the right direction. That shouldn’t have been a thing to start with. I know Viera are lacking but Hrothgar are very VERY shafted.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

At this point I'd be content if Hrothgar hairstyles weren't linked to their faces. 4 hairstyles with some slight tweaks for the whole race.

Viera players wanna complain about fewer / no hats and limited hairstyles, after getting the "missing half" of their race in Endwalker? Get in my corner, yo.

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Vieras ARE in your corner as well. Hrothgars are mentioned by vieras throughout these threads. Hardly a "us vs them" situation. :)

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Originally Posted by Ultaniku

Unlinking the hair from the Hrothgar faces would be a step in the right direction. That shouldn’t have been a thing to start with. I know Viera are lacking but Hrothgar are very VERY shafted.

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It's the most Blizzard/EA thing I can think of and it came from this very company. It's shameful.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

Viera players wanna complain about fewer / no hats and limited hairstyles, after getting the "missing half" of their race in Endwalker? Get in my corner, yo.

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It's not a competition of who has it worse. The Viera and Hrothgar have had minimalistic work done in all the time they've been released and that's the underlining issue here. Your situation may be more severe but I'm still entitled to be annoyed at the neglect for both of these races.

I didn't mention Hrothgar that much in my OG post because we don't know the extent of their update in patch 6.1. - I'm giving SE more faith. I'd like to think your situation has major improvements or maybe that's just me being optimistic, we will see.

Give Viera and Hrothgar access to all helmets, the fact that new gear doesn't even work on them is disgraceful and lazy.

I'm at least glad the Reaper job hat works. I was sure that it would completely destroy the look by not allowing them to wear it, but it does a good job and a prime example that it's completely possible to wear a hat and not ruin exclusivity to the race.

What are we actually expecting from 6.1? What has actually been said?

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

What are we actually expecting from 6.1? What has actually been said?

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New hairstyles for Viera will be added in Patch 6.0.

We’d previously announced we’d be unable to add more hairstyles for Viera and Hrothgar as they are designed in a special way compared to other races. However, we saw an extreme number of requests from across the globe, so the development team set out to rework the system and finally made it possible to add more hairstyles after almost two years.

Hrothgar are even more complicated than Viera and will require more time, so their hairstyles will be added in Patch 6.1.

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So that's all I'd expect, something for Hrothgar finally.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

So that's all I'd expect, something for Hrothgar finally.

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What bugs me about that quote is that, initially they said that vieras and hrothgars would be getting their own uniqute hairstyles and now in this quote it sounds like they simply couldnt get any. "Unable to add more hairstyles" ? Maybe it is translation.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

What bugs me about that quote is that, initially they said that vieras and hrothgars would be getting their own uniqute hairstyles and now in this quote it sounds like they simply couldnt get any. "Unable to add more hairstyles" ? Maybe it is translation.

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I always find that quote odd, since I never could remember them telling us that previously. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

What bugs me about that quote is that, initially they said that vieras and hrothgars would be getting their own uniqute hairstyles and now in this quote it sounds like they simply couldnt get any. "Unable to add more hairstyles" ? Maybe it is translation.

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I think they could be referring to Modern aesthetics or the other race exclusive hairstyles... Is there a way I can find SE's official statements? I want to see the text where they originally mentioned they're unable to add more hairstyles.

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

I think they could be referring to Modern aesthetics or the other race exclusive hairstyles... Is there a way I can find SE's official statements? I want to see the text where they originally mentioned they're unable to add more hairstyles.

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They did tell us that viera would only be receiving race specific, if I recall. That may be exclusionary enough for modern aesthetics styles. I'd just like to know where our race specific styles are in that case.. :confused:

Are we just getting a handful of modern aesthetics now, or will we be receiving any more race specific for viera?

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

What bugs me about that quote is that, initially they said that vieras and hrothgars would be getting their own uniqute hairstyles and now in this quote it sounds like they simply couldnt get any. "Unable to add more hairstyles" ? Maybe it is translation.

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It bothers me as well so I looked it up again, originally in the Live Letter they said this;

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Q: I used fantasia to change to Viera and I'm enjoying it. As they're a special race and it may not be possible, but feel like the number of hairstyles available for Viera and Hrothgar is quite limited. Do you have plans to add more in the future?

A: We certainly plan on adding more, so please wait for future patches. However, it will still be race-specific, so there won’t be as many selections when compared to other races.

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Which is very different from;

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We’d previously announced we’d be unable to add more hairstyles for Viera and Hrothgar as they are designed in a special way compared to other races. However, we saw an extreme number of requests from across the globe, so the development team set out to rework the system and finally made it possible to add more hairstyles after almost two years.

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No matter which way you read it, it just doesn't make sense to say you 'certainly plan on adding more' and then say you previously announced you would be unable to add more, race specific or not.

While we are complaining... the quality of the implemented hairstyles for viera were mostly bad. I saw mods done better than what we got. Hopefully they will do the ronso better. Fingers crossed that they can change hairstyles ingame without extra payment in 6.1. It's a shame that this design choice could pass through quality control. For viera I finally lost hope. We waited and waited and we got this? I dunno who was asking for that 6 hairs? Ok maybe lightning but the rest??? Oh and 2B style is clipping at it's best? It doesn't bother me, but wasn't an argument of SE that they find clipping terrible? I don't need viera exclusive hairstyles. I just want to go with what most other races got. And I'm not talking about Au'Ra or Miqo, just those shared styles. Good luck to us that they consider ronso and viera for new styles in EW.

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Originally Posted by LyraMaru

I don't need viera exclusive hairstyles.

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The issue is if we don't have something to make up for the limitations on headgear, what's actually appealing about the Viera from a new players perspective? They could choose Miqo'te which has access to all hats and hairstyles, or they could choose Viera which has a few modern aesthetics followed by very few headgear options. If the Viera had the perk of more race-exclusive hairstyles, more players would switch over because they have something that makes them stand out more and makes up for the restrictions.

The last that I took in consideration choosing a viera were the viera exclusive hairstyles. Viera have in my view the most beautiful females. I just like everything on them. There is no tail that clips through, they have fluffy ears, I love the way they walk, I love how my glamours look on her. I'm just a hair-changer addict and can't stand the small selection of styles.

Miqo's are hyurs with other ears and tail. Au'Ra are hyurs with scales and tail. Viera are hyurs with other ears. Lalafell are cones with hairs (haha sorry). There is not much difference among the races and it's mostly personal preference.

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Originally Posted by LyraMaru

There is not much difference among the races and it's mostly personal preference.

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But if we could have something to make up for the limitations like SE originally planned, we should still take it, not give them the satisfaction of leaving two races unfinished for the sake of less work. We may be unable to wear hats, but if we had access to more exclusive hairstyles they would come with accessories and perhaps even a hairstyle with a hat fixed to it, overall it would accommodate us and expand our variety. If they can't handle the work load and keep retracting their promises without a new plan to make up for our issue, maybe they shouldn't bring in gender counterparts because it's clearly too much of a strain for them. The amount of money they've earned from Viera and Hrothgars limitations as well as the massive influx of players resulting in their profits going through the roof, too right they should give us something in return... Especially because we waited for years.

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

But if we could have something to make up for the limitations like SE originally planned, we should still take it, not give them the satisfaction of leaving two races unfinished for the sake of less work. We may be unable to wear hats, but if we had access to more exclusive hairstyles they would come with accessories and perhaps even a hairstyle with a hat fixed to it, overall it would accommodate us and expand our variety. If they can't handle the work load and keep retracting their promises without a new plan to make up for our issue, maybe they shouldn't bring in gender counterparts because it's clearly too much of a strain for them. The amount of money they've earned from Viera and Hrothgars limitations as well as the massive influx of players resulting in their profits going through the roof, too right they should give us something in return... Especially because we waited for years.

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IMO after seeing how shared hairstyles looked I going to say that SE choice of just giving Viera their own hairstyles was the right one and they should keep adding more overtime.

Me saying this means that I agree with how they decided to add Viera? No but what's done it's done.

Adding exclusive and unique stuff to races with limitations is the way to go.

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Originally Posted by LyraMaru

I don't need viera exclusive hairstyles.

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Says the person playing a cat with hairstyles Viera can't use. :)

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Originally Posted by Cilia

At this point I'd be content if Hrothgar hairstyles weren't linked to their faces. 4 hairstyles with some slight tweaks for the whole race.

Viera players wanna complain about fewer / no hats and limited hairstyles, after getting the "missing half" of their race in Endwalker? Get in my corner, yo.

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Yeah the male vieras. You say it like we should be thankful that our "missing half" got gender locked hairstyles or what can be seen as a slap to the face: An entire set of hairs for the new race. No, we don't need to get in 'yo corner', when we've been stranded on a deserted island looking at the mast of our sunken ship from off shore.

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Originally Posted by Quintessa

Yeah the male vieras. You say it like we should be thankful that our "missing half" got gender locked hairstyles or what can be seen as a slap to the face: An entire set of hairs for the new race. No, we don't need to get in 'yo corner', when we've been stranded on a deserted island looking at the mast of our sunken ship from off shore.

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Right. That's where our viera racial hairs went. :(

[QUOTE=Quintessa;5814541]Says the person playing a cat with hairstyles Viera can't use. :)

Yeah you got me with that. I'm bouncing from viera to miqo every six months or so. And every time I change back from viera I'm saying it's the last time...

BUT to tell it right: I'm not against adding more viera exclusive styles. I just don't think it'll make them address the issues we have that are holding them back to give viera the shared styles. I doubt they will do both at the same time. For ME most of the exclusive styles are not wearable. I dislike the fluffy hair and loooong fluffy ponytails. I believe most viera players think the same. I mostly used the hairstyle Quintessa is using now.

Feelcraft says 80 % are using that style. If I would still be viera, we would be 4 out of 4 viera that posted on that thread site with that style.

And it seems SE means with viera exclusive hair thats enormous hair with a flowery hair clip added. A tleast you find a flowery hair clip if the hair isn't fluffy.

I don't even want hair monster, I just wanted the long silky manes, but anything below shoulder length is apperenly forbidden (no doubt because physics hard). I would be fine with just having the original Viera hairs instead of Fran&Friends remakes

Also more ear styles. They missed a ton of them and I really would love a 'pony tail' ear option with them fully flopped and tied like hair.

http://i.imgur.com/d4AZ4Co.jpg

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Originally Posted by Atamis

I don't even want hair monster, I just wanted the long silky manes, but anything below shoulder length is apperenly forbidden (no doubt because physics hard). I would be fine with just having the original Viera hairs instead of Fran&Friends remakes
http://i.imgur.com/d4AZ4Co.jpg

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This 'twin tails' hairstyle was actually in XII on the Viera NPC's, only it was the same length as Modern Aesthetics: Greater lengths so maybe it would be more sensible to be at that length. If it were down to our ankles it would have too many issues.

https://i.ibb.co/y56MKPK/vieratwintails.png

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

This 'twin tails' hairstyle was actually in XII on the Viera NPC's, only it was the same length as Modern Aesthetics: Greater lengths so maybe it would be more sensible to be at that length. If it were down to our ankles it would have too many issues.

https://i.ibb.co/y56MKPK/vieratwintails.png

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I'd die for that hairstyle
I love the split & the length

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Originally Posted by Quintessa

Says the person playing a cat with hairstyles Viera can't use. :)



Yeah the male vieras. You say it like we should be thankful that our "missing half" got gender locked hairstyles or what can be seen as a slap to the face: An entire set of hairs for the new race. No, we don't need to get in 'yo corner', when we've been stranded on a deserted island looking at the mast of our sunken ship from off shore.

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Yeah, poor things. What does the most poorly implemented and severly limited new race that was consequentially turned into the least popular by a mile knows about what it feels like to be in a viera's shoes. They're so tragically limited that they're only the SECOND most popular in a span of two years. SECOND! Do those entitled hrothgar have any idea what it feels like not to be number 1? Woe are the bunnies.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

Yeah, poor things. What does the most poorly implemented and severly limited new race that was consequentially turned into the least popular by a mile knows about what it feels like to be in a viera's shoes. They're so tragically limited that they're only the SECOND most popular in a span of two years. SECOND! Do those entitled hrothgar have any idea what it feels like not to be number 1? Woe are the bunnies.

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They're both bad dude. The implementation of both races was bad. It's still bad. All around. Just bad. Arguing one has it worse is silly when they're both bad.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

Yeah, poor things. What does the most poorly implemented and severly limited new race that was consequentially turned into the least popular by a mile knows about what it feels like to be in a viera's shoes. They're so tragically limited that they're only the SECOND most popular in a span of two years. SECOND! Do those entitled hrothgar have any idea what it feels like not to be number 1? Woe are the bunnies.

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What's second-most popular? Being Viera?

I guess I didn't really get the drift of your post here.

Here's the deal - if this is just a Hrothgar post about the parts of my race that lack polish or whatever, I am 1,000% I ain't getting any kind of fix. I'm not cute.

The Viera should be upset - there's limited options for them and hats are turned off for no good reason - I think because any given hat might work on one of the Viera or the Hrothgar, but because it's easier it's not tested nor rolled out.

I don't want to talk about who has it worse. Or better, because do you *know* what I would give to see a patch note like this:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...92/unknown.png

About Hrothgar?

That's a bug fix to 5.5 making it so that Au Ra - an expansion race - could have bedhead - a drop hairstyle. A hotfix no less. Because it was clipping. And I'm not mad that they did that. I think that going over the game and treating cosmetic bugs as being worth fixing is important. And someone cared enough to report it, treat it like an issue that was preventing people from enjoying that really cool drop that cost millions of gil for a long damn time, and fix it.

Meanwhile, here's another picture:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...20/unknown.png

That's my collar. In 6.0.5. Without modifications of any kind. Or even a target. Just standing there. In my 90 artifact armor. I dye my mane or the armor to deal with it most of the time.

And I used to get mad about it, but it's become Just One More Thing that has to be checked when I'm making a glamour plate or what have you. I can't really change my hairstyle - costs $10 if I do, and I don't really want to play as something other than Hrothgar - I like being a big guy in games and when I was growing up Kimahri was one of those characters that just stuck with me.

So, please understand, when I say "please give us haircuts or hats" it's not that I am upset that other people have things I don't, some people will always have something with which I wasn't blessed.

It's not that I have some kind of remorse about picking the character I did, and want you to go back on your word not to include headgear.

Headpieces don't mean I can't wear what in Ren and Stimpy the narrator would call "Thrilling headgear" - yeah I'm disappointed when there's a seasonal event and my entire race is excluded.

Haircuts don't mean I'm sore about not being able to have the Ruby Rod Haircut from Fifth Element - more customization is awesome, and yeah, it's a little bummer that people get 50% more items with buying the Aymeric set than I do, but I'm happy the way I am.

It's that not having haircuts AND not fixing clipping AND not giving me any ability to toggle my posture AND not giving us hats of any kind means I can't wear half the armor in the game without hideous clipping.

And not being able to wear half the armor in the game?

NGL. It makes me a little sad every time I have to go to my home and dye my mane.

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Originally Posted by Avidria

They're both bad dude. The implementation of both races was bad. It's still bad. All around. Just bad. Arguing one has it worse is silly when they're both bad.

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To be fair, Hrothgars have it objectively worse than Viera. That doesn't validate any accusations against bunnies though.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

At this point I'd be content if Hrothgar hairstyles weren't linked to their faces. 4 hairstyles with some slight tweaks for the whole race.

Viera players wanna complain about fewer / no hats and limited hairstyles, after getting the "missing half" of their race in Endwalker? Get in my corner, yo.

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If it wasn't already mentioned, or you didnt know....
This is already part of the plan.

They will allow all 4 face options to wear all 4 Hairstyles. I cant remember if there will also be new hair along with that.
But I think they are also enabling more features as well. Like the signature Ronso Unicorn Horn will also be wearable on all 4 heads.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

To be fair, Hrothgars have it objectively worse than Viera. That doesn't validate any accusations against bunnies though.

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Well yeah they definitely do. Just the back and forth is kinda silly is all. They both got the short end of the stick and it sucks lol

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Originally Posted by Raskbuck

I'm sorry, but the fact that we have to use Fantasias to even change our hairstyle seems like a more pressing issue to me. IMO, that should've been addressed before Male Vieras were even released, but here we are. So forgive me if I find a bit irritating when Viera players complain about the lack of hairstyles while they at least have the option to change them, lol.

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Literally no Viera player is so much as implying our issue is worse than yours. Like I said before, just because your situation is more severe it doesn't mean the Viera's issue is invalid. I created this thread with both our races in mind and I have a right to state my disappointment for *MY* chosen character. Do you honestly think any of us are happy that male Viera were created while Hrothgar and F-Viera were ignored for 2+ years? You have no right to be irritated at Viera players when we should be on the same page and aspiring to have our problems solved together... Not "My issues are worse so everyone should just discuss my problem"

I personally find it a little insulting when people come and say both races have it bad, when one of them is being grossly neglected to the point where they can't change their hairstyles without using a Fantasia.

And while I'll concede that both races could use a lot of polish, I think it would be fair if they gave Hrothgar priority for some well deserved TLC after waiting over two years.

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

Literally no Viera player is so much as implying our issue is worse than yours. Like I said before, just because your situation is more severe it doesn't mean the Viera's issue is invalid. I created this thread with both our races in mind and I have a right to state my disappointment for *MY* chosen character. Do you honestly think any of us are happy that male Viera were created while Hrothgar and F-Viera were ignored for 2+ years? You have no right to be irritated at Viera players when we should be on the same page and aspiring to have our problems solved together... Not "My issues are worse so everyone should just discuss my problem"

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I retracted my comment as to avoid inciting unnecessary drama, but I guess you were too quick to reply to it. I'm just voicing my frustration over how this whole situation has been managed by SE, and I apologize if I ruffled any feathers. I just don't find it particularly fair that some people seem to demand more features while some of us have been waiting for far longer than them.

Do you know how many times I've had to argue with people because they swear Hrothgars can change their hairstyle with the aesthetician? The average player doesn't even know what's going on with us, and most people turn a blind eye towards these issues because it doesn't affect them. I wish more people would realize how severely limited we are, rather than just being unable to wear hats. But whatever, I guess arguing on a forum is about as productive as shouting into the void.

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

Literally no Viera player is so much as implying our issue is worse than yours. Like I said before, just because your situation is more severe it doesn't mean the Viera's issue is invalid. I created this thread with both our races in mind and I have a right to state my disappointment for *MY* chosen character. Do you honestly think any of us are happy that male Viera were created while Hrothgar and F-Viera were ignored for 2+ years? You have no right to be irritated at Viera players when we should be on the same page and aspiring to have our problems solved together... Not "My issues are worse so everyone should just discuss my problem"

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Yeah, I always thought both viera and hrothgar needed updates, before making the issues worse by adding the missing genders on top of it. I won't be surprised if female hrothgar release with the same limitations as male hrothgar. Even if SE is adding new hairs for male hrothgar, does that even mean they have fixed the fantasia issue, or just more hairs that require a fantasia?

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Originally Posted by Raskbuck

I'm just voicing my frustration over how this whole situation has been managed by SE, and I apologize if I ruffled any feathers. I just don't find it particularly fair that some people seem to demand more features while some of us have been waiting for far longer than them.

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I understand, really I do. But no one was insinuating that Viera should have priority or that their situation is worse than yours. Hrothgar obviously have it worse, that's just a fact and everyone does acknowledge it. You're getting an update in 6.1 and we'll hopefully be having a sneak peek of what's expected during SE's live letter... If they've (again) done the bare minimum for your race, then of course we can revisit this topic. I always have in mind that Hrothgar should've been fixed almost immediately and taken priority when SE initially received the backlash for the whole fantasia situation, but please bare in mind I'm not disregarding your issue... I just want to see what 6.1 brings you first.