Rokien's new thread on Hamlet Defense

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Originally Posted by Zumi

You guys actually wanted this to be like campaign which nobody used except for some bad exp when they couldn't get a party?

If it was so easy like campaign was in FFXI that it didn't take any coordination or anything SE wouldn't give any worthwhile rewards out of it and people wouldn't do it unless they needed exp and couldn't get a party and were out of leves.

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I enjoyed Campaign, quite frankly, which certainly took more skill and coordination than any guildleves ever will.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I remember the gear you could buy with the allied notes was pretty bad, and below salvage / sky / king / nyzul / gear when it came out most people at 75 didn't bother with it unless they were trying for some crappy exp or rank up for wotg missions then never touched it. Also most of the items had a condition only does X in campaign. They didn't add random chests to it for junk logs, 1 or 2 dynamis currency until a couple patchs later.

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Are you serious? Campaign gear was at the very least on par with everything that was both craftable and high-end for most jobs.

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Originally Posted by Dragon

I enjoyed Campaign, quite frankly, which certainly took more skill and coordination than any guildleves ever will.



Are you serious? Campaign gear was at the very least on par with everything that was both craftable and high-end for most jobs.

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No it wasn't. Did you not do endgame? Salvage, sky, einherjar, kings? For example monk, sam, nin, didn't beat stuff like usu set. War had their adaman hauberk, byakkyo, haidate, certain ares set pieces. There was nothing from campaign that was even close to an upgrade to already released current end game items.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

No it wasn't. Did you not do endgame? Salvage, sky, einherjar, kings? For example monk, sam, nin, didn't beat stuff like usu set. War had their adaman hauberk, byakkyo, haidate, certain ares set pieces. There was nothing from campaign that was even close to an upgrade to already released current end game items.

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Talk about a failure to understand what is being said; I specifically stated: "...BOTH CRAFTABLE AND HIGH-END."


BOTH CRAFTABLE AND HIGH-END!

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BOTH CRAFTABLE AND HIGH-END!

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...for MOST jobs, too.

AKA, craftable as an AH-able for the simple-minded freaks out there.

/headdesk

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Originally Posted by Zumi

No it wasn't. Did you not do endgame? Salvage, sky, einherjar, kings? For example monk, sam, nin, didn't beat stuff like usu set. War had their adaman hauberk, byakkyo, haidate, certain ares set pieces. There was nothing from campaign that was even close to an upgrade to already released current end game items.

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While I agree that a large portion was not amazing lots of it was situationally amazing. The conserve mp mage sets and store tp light DD set with lots of acc fit in many places. DNC got lots of love from that store tp set and healer sch/whm loved that conserve mp set

Besides who is to say we'll even have good rewards on here? or wont

Whoa, why'd this get moved...?

The truth hurts.. I know.

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Originally Posted by Exn

Whoa, why'd this get moved...?

The truth hurts.. I know.

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Good question...

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Originally Posted by Dragon

Good question...

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Hidden away????

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Originally Posted by Rokien

I was getting so pumped about Hamlet Defense, till I read this.....

really, only 8 people AND INSTANCED!

SE I thought we went over this whole instanced thing already. We want open world stuff.

We shouldn't need to form a party, it should just be max 20 people sign up(form a party if you want). With instanced mobs. Ya know, like with leves and stuff.

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Yeah, I was kind of excited for this. I thought "Finally, my kind of content!"
But it turns out I was wrong.

I didn't expect it to be so few people allowed to join. I was picturing a mini "Besieged" like thing from XI where a good number of people could join as they wish (20-30ish max maybe). Not 8-person party content again.
Not complaining, it's just "Oh well, it's not for me" content again.

I thought it was something we could just head over there and join, but it sounds like we'll need a group. Once the excitement of it dies down I doubt there will be many people waiting there to sign up.

Again, "Oh well~" Another something I probably won't do.

Edit: I totally understand if this is something they can't do before 2.0. I do hope in 2.0 we get some interesting open-world content though.

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Originally Posted by Nabiri

Yeah, I was kind of excited for this. I thought "Finally, my kind of content!"
But it turns out I was wrong.

I didn't expect it to be so few people allowed to join. I was picturing a mini "Besieged" like thing from XI where a good number of people could join as they wish (20-30ish max maybe). Not 8-person party content again.
Not complaining, it's just "Oh well, it's not for me" content again.

I thought it was something we could just head over there and join, but it sounds like we'll need a group. Once the excitement of it dies down I doubt there will be many people waiting there to sign up.

Again, "Oh well~" Another something I probably won't do.

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Yep. I'm also a little worried now because if this isn't sposed to be the larger scale PvE we we're told was coming.. then what exactly is.. I can't do a 8man instance-hoping game for much longer.

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Originally Posted by Exn

Yep. I'm also a little worried now because if this isn't sposed to be the larger scale PvE we we're told was coming.. then what exactly is.. I can't do a 8man instance-hoping game for much longer.

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It could be that this isn't possible until 2.0. :\ Pre-2.0 is really messed up. lol

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Originally Posted by eagleone

Hidden away????

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Idk, probably.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

I was getting so pumped about Hamlet Defense, till I read this.....

"If the 50-hour preparation period is over and the call-to-arms has been sounded, form a party of 8 members and speak with the militia captain to enter the instanced area. Once the instance has been entered, jobs and classes will be locked and players will not be allowed to change their weapons or soul crystals."

really, only 8 people AND INSTANCED!

SE I thought we went over this whole instanced thing already. We want open world stuff.

We shouldn't need to form a party, it should just be max 20 people sign up(form a party if you want). With instanced mobs. Ya know, like with leves and stuff.

~Don't get me wrong I'm sure it will be pretty fun and awesome... stilll give me a break here.

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I completely agree and this is only the 2nd time I see eye to eye with Rokien. I am very disappointed in how this will be implimented. Seriously if I look at all the instances they have add, it makes me wonder if this will be the norm for 2.0. I can understand somethings being 4,8,16 or 32 man groups. That said players need stuff that you can do w/o a small group or full party or instanced. Hamlet defense should not have a group requirement, there is no excuse the Devs or the players can use orr say to justifiy what they have done with hamlets.

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Originally Posted by Colino

Unfortunately it's due to engine limitations.

I would've preferred something more "massive" as well, but I'll take what we can get until 2.0 comes out.

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They have an old saying: If you cant do it right dont do it alt all. I dont care what excuses they can come up with, its getting old plain and simple. What should SE have done than was not impliment it till 2.0 thats the bottom line!

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Originally Posted by Maxthunder

They have an old saying: If you cant do it right dont do it alt all. I dont care what excuses they can come up with, its getting old plain and simple. What should SE have done than was not impliment it till 2.0 thats the bottom line!

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Agreed 100%. I also think they coulda done 20man groups w/ a few small waves of instanced mobs in the open world at the very least, similar to behest but HNM type mobs that can't be facerolled with AoE spam.

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Originally Posted by Maxthunder

They have an old saying: If you cant do it right dont do it alt all. I dont care what excuses they can come up with, its getting old plain and simple. What should SE have done than was not impliment it till 2.0 thats the bottom line!

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yep, I agree. They should have waited, though I still think they could have done it without it being instanced, just look at the bosses for strongholds, 30+ people with mobs. That worked fine.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I remember the gear you could buy with the allied notes was pretty bad, and below salvage / sky / king / nyzul / gear when it came out most people at 75 didn't bother with it unless they were trying for some crappy exp or rank up for wotg missions then never touched it. Also most of the items had a condition only does X in campaign. They didn't add random chests to it for junk logs, 1 or 2 dynamis currency until a couple patchs later.

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Can't forget about all the gear you could buy using notes for lower leveled jobs that were at least decent enough to level in. Not talking endgame stuff, but you know...even at wotg people were still actively exping and leveling jobs<_<

And I was hoping for a more campaign like experience as well. How many events do you get to go on your favorite job and just screw around for hours on end? That is what made campaign and besieged so fun, the fact that there was no structure you just fought to protect or attack something. On my server, a lot of people still participated in it, I know my ls did it, nothing like tearing through campaign with a party full of empy's. Or watching 20+people gang up on a huge boss while lower level mages would support from the outskirts. I loved these events simply because it was simple, just fight and have fun lol

Hmm, I bought this game thinking it would be close to XI. I thought it would have kind of a different flavor and better graphics, after all it did take all the same races from XI, same combat system, same targeting system and claim system.
The camp/claim system is a staple of XI, there was a good balance in XI with BCNM, and pop items to also obtain gear.
You could get the some of the same gear that a NM dropped from a bcnm. but i frown to hear that 80% of players dont like the claim nm system. Is XIV mostly casual players?

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Originally Posted by Megabane

Hmm, I bought this game thinking it would be close to XI. I thought it would have kind of a different flavor and better graphics, after all it did take all the same races from XI, same combat system, same targeting system and claim system.
The camp/claim system is a staple of XI, there was a good balance in XI with BCNM, and pop items to also obtain gear.
You could get the some of the same gear that a NM dropped from a bcnm. but i frown to hear that 80% of players dont like the claim nm system. Is XIV mostly casual players?

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Yes, just read the forums, people are like all over me for trying to make the game less casual

Why was this thread moved? Hit too close to home?

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

Why was this thread moved? Hit too close to home?

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Kinda doubt we'll get an answer on that.. guessing their big fans of the instanced stuff, along with the dev's apparently. May not be the game for us afterall.. its losing the potential to even live up to what XI once was.

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Originally Posted by Exn

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Kinda doubt we'll get an answer on that.. guessing their big fans of the instanced stuff, along with the dev's apparently. May not be the game for us afterall.. its losing the potential to even live up to what XI once was.

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Yeah... I say we keep bumping it.

At the rate Rokien remakes this thread five times a day, I doubt bumping it is necessary.

Well, I don't know. Living up to what XI was is pretty easy, just consult the same storywriters and you pretty much got everything worthwhile out of XI. At least, as far as someone who never played it can say after hearing commentary on it.

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Originally Posted by Skies

At least, as far as someone who never played it can say after hearing commentary on it.

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/thatsall..

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Originally Posted by Skies

Well, I don't know. Living up to what XI was is pretty easy, just consult the same storywriters and you pretty much got everything worthwhile out of XI. At least, as far as someone who never played it can say after hearing commentary on it.

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Lol.......you obviously don't know what your talking about

So I don't care about this thread. However, I have a few questions since I am on a work trip and haven't played new content. So, is it 8 person requirement to enter? Do you need a balanced party (Tank, Healer, DPS) to succeed? Do you have to be level 45 or higher to enter? Lastly, do you get anything other than experience?

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Originally Posted by Gidonoidon_Sur

So I don't care about this thread. However, I have a few questions since I am on a work trip and haven't played new content. So, is it 8 person requirement to enter? Do you need a balanced party (Tank, Healer, DPS) to succeed? Do you have to be level 45 or higher to enter? Lastly, do you get anything other than experience?

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No one knows. The first ever battle phase starts at 1 a.m. Eastern tonight.

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Originally Posted by Gidonoidon_Sur

So I don't care about this thread. However, I have a few questions since I am on a work trip and haven't played new content. So, is it 8 person requirement to enter? Do you need a balanced party (Tank, Healer, DPS) to succeed? Do you have to be level 45 or higher to enter? Lastly, do you get anything other than experience?

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Can someone fill in the blanks for me now?

Yep 8 people, soo soon you will have to shout in uldah... AGAIN. You also need DOL/H. Yep level 45+. You get anima and some weapons, really silly though. The silly part is anima and random drops, like wtf get a point system in.

Well, hamlet was a fail in my opinion.