A few complaints about the NieR Raid rewards on Part 3

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Originally Posted by Elkanah

Let's also not forget that NieR Replicant ver.1.22474487139 comes out a week AFTER the final Nier raid comes out, and Japan recently had their Nier ReIncarnation game out on mobile a few short months ago. So this would've been the perfect opportunity to put as many outfits of the Nier series (as a general whole) in the last raid, rather than fending/maim getting gobshite for gear that's just a worse off variety of the versions we got from the first two raids. Why didn't we get an Emile head?? Or a Kaine set? D:<

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I think why we didn’t get the Kaine set should be obvious...

Don’t get me wrong, I wanted it. And we do have some more risqué sets in the game, but none that push the boundary quite that far.
Tbh whether I like it or not I wish we would have gotten it just to see some people have absolute meltdowns across social media about “slutglam” the way they continue to about the 2B bottoms.

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Originally Posted by BunniEclair

I think why we didn’t get the Kaine set should be obvious...

Don’t get me wrong, I wanted it. And we do have some more risqué sets in the game, but none that push the boundary quite that far.
Tbh whether I like it or not I wish we would have gotten it just to see some people have absolute meltdowns across social media about “slutglam” the way they continue to about the 2B bottoms.

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BUT EMIL HEAD D:

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Originally Posted by Elkanah

BUT EMIL HEAD D:

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I'm legit surprised we didn't get this.

Unless it's a hidden reward at the end of the weekly quests or something.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

I'm legit surprised we didn't get this.

Unless it's a hidden reward at the end of the weekly quests or something.

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Maaaan, I really hope so. I'd be so happy to have an emil head as the final prize of the weekly quests. If not the mount for PODS.

Yeah I think the Emil head not being in the raid surprised most people, myself included. It’s such an iconic thing for Nier that I was positive it would be the final reward. Thus far none of the game files suggest it appearing. From what I’ve seen the rewards will be a minion and a housing item, neither of which are Emil themed.

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Originally Posted by Elkanah

BUT EMIL HEAD D:

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If we got this I'd probably never take it off. lol

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

If we got this I'd probably never take it off. lol

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flippin' SAME

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Originally Posted by Elkanah

Maaaan, I really hope so. I'd be so happy to have an emil head as the final prize of the weekly quests. If not the mount for PODS.

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Please... you know they're gonna hide that stuff behind NewGame+ on the story of the raid 3 times ;)

I am quite pleased we didn't get Emil head for obvious reasons.

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Originally Posted by Haruka_R

I am quite pleased we didn't get Emil head for obvious reasons.

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They aren't obvious to me.
Why are you pleased?

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Originally Posted by Haruka_R

I am quite pleased we didn't get Emil head for obvious reasons.

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Feel free to elaborate.

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

Personally I was thinking Emil.... I wouldn't call the 1 on 1 vs cow god to be "secret".

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I get what you mean with Emil, though I should clarify I don't mean the 1v1; after you defeat Trinity Avowed in Delubrum savage, there's a hidden passage leading to an optional fight before the Queen. (Though I'd heavily air-quote "optional", considering how much more smoothly it makes the Queen go.)

To summarize, someone can run back and deliberately trip one of the shrinking traps in the hallway before the Avowed arena. While small, they can return and slip through the bars of the grate in front of that statue right before you go to the Queen, and activate a thing that opens the grate and slides the lion statue out of the way. That opens an additional full-group fight with the Stygimoloch Lord (hence "secret cow fight"); completing that fight gives you another piece of body upgrade plating, and also negates the (extremely painful) buff the Queen herself otherwise has.

(Plus, it's honestly my favorite fight in Delubrum savage, though I couldn't tell you why.)

And putting aside joking for a moment, if an alliance raid in this game was going to have an additional hidden boss, I imagine unlocking it would be something akin to that process.

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Originally Posted by Haruka_R

I am quite pleased we didn't get Emil head for obvious reasons.

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Why should others being unhappy make you happy? The reasons for that might be obvious, but they aint kind.

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

That opens an additional full-group fight with the Stygimoloch Lord (hence "secret cow fight");

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Interesting, for some reason I'd mingled that in with the 1v1 fight, mostly because I've never run it, only idly paged through the 20 page guide.

I was assuming the "obvious reasons" would be that everyone would be wearing it for a couple of weeks and it'd get old.

I'm just going to ask here, has there ever been a 24 man raid that dropped armor, glam, a weapon and a mount all together? I can't remember one.

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

I'm just going to ask here, has there ever been a 24 man raid that dropped armor, glam, a weapon and a mount all together? I can't remember one.

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No, we don't get mounts from 24 man raids.

it's pretty much always been Armor,minions and music
you could get accessories from a weekly quest for dunscaith

you might get a quest added in 5.57/8 for nier after fixing the dwarf town but we are 2-3 patches away from end walker.

I just wish they would remove glamours completely. Tired of the whining and complaining about cosmetics.

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Originally Posted by Draken

I just wish they would remove glamours completely. Tired of the whining and complaining about cosmetics.

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You want them to remove the most popular content in the game? Haven't you heard glamour is the endgame?

The real reward is that we're finally done with this.

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Originally Posted by Draken

I just wish they would remove glamours completely. Tired of the whining and complaining about cosmetics.

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If you want to look like a patchwork hobo, EverQuest is that way, though even there we had dyes. Probably XI as well. Or go to the early days of this game at low levels before you unlocked the ability.

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Originally Posted by Draken

I just wish they would remove glamours completely. Tired of the whining and complaining about cosmetics.

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So many would quit the game. You may not like glamour but I'd say most people who play this game likes it on some level.

Reading the replies, up to now, it made me realized that we put our expectations too high. And it was not a bad thing to do either. The nier raids were hyped even by the company itself as "special", knowing full well that this was a different uh, "breed" or "type" of alliance raid so naturally, it was not unexpected for us the playerbase to aim high when it came to possible rewards. Add also to the fact that this was a heavily requested crossover raid and from that point, we just aimed for the stars.

Now it just feels like I'm living the embodiment of "be careful what you wish for." So much re-used glam for all raids (so many multiple obvious options for different jobs SE could've chosen from), special rewards that could've been awarded as a quest line reward (talking about the coffers and hair) instead of being up for rng grabs...

All I know is that I've learned my lesson. Whatever crossover comes next, I hope it comes in small doses and impact, like FFXV. It was short, nice, sweet and everyone walked away with something without having to compete for it or buy it.

I'm so mad we didn't get 9S's glamour. I wanted that since stormblood when I used to cosplay as him. It's infuriating because when talking about the puppet's bunker, yoshi-p said "there won't be any attire coffers this time because people didn't like it last time". How does that make any sense? Everyone that wants the 2B glam can get it pretty easy, if that was the reason we didn't get the 9S attire coffer...
It's the most disappointing thing about shadowbringers to me, on par with the lack of customization for viera and hrothgar... The one glam I wanted the most...

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Originally Posted by Starshower

I'm so mad we didn't get 9S's glamour. I wanted that since stormblood when I used to cosplay as him. It's infuriating because when talking about the puppet's bunker, yoshi-p said "there won't be any attire coffers this time because people didn't like it last time". How does that make any sense? Everyone that wants the 2B glam can get it pretty easy, if that was the reason we didn't get the 9S attire coffer...
It's the most disappointing thing about shadowbringers to me, on par with the lack of customization for viera and hrothgar... The one glam I wanted the most...

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The real thing, too, wasn't that people didn't like glamor coffers, but they didn't like that people could just claim multiples of them. There were people on this forum saying they were trying to get enough to have them in their glamor dresser dyed every possible rare color. If they managed to make it so that if you had the coffer or the items in any of your inventories that you couldn't get one again, that would have solved a lot of the problems.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

If they managed to make it so that if you had the coffer or the items in any of your inventories that you couldn't get one again, that would have solved a lot of the problems.

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I'm not entirely sure the game is set up to check that.
Otherwise I wouldn't be able to stuff unique items into my saddlebag or inventory in order to pick up another copy.

And no way are they rewriting and testing all the necessary code just for these coffers.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

I'm not entirely sure the game is set up to check that.
Otherwise I wouldn't be able to stuff unique items into my saddlebag or inventory in order to pick up another copy.

And no way are they rewriting and testing all the necessary code just for these coffers.

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True, it might have been too hard... but it does already do the thing where you can't roll on the minion if you already have it, so they do have at least half the system in place. Though I guess then we'd just have people trolling by claiming the coffers and throwing them away so other people can't have them... beacuse we know people are terrible like that.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

There were people on this forum saying they were trying to get enough to have them in their glamor dresser dyed every possible rare color.

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This seems fairly dumb for the community (but given it's the community, it's also no surprise either).

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

If you want to look like a patchwork hobo, EverQuest is that way, though even there we had dyes. Probably XI as well. Or go to the early days of this game at low levels before you unlocked the ability.

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I think EverQuest has a form of glamour now as well, so you can avoid an undesirable look, but I always played Enchanter or Magician so it was all Robes anyway.

It’s true that there are many potential rewards they could add (Hint: many potential). But ultimately not all of them will get a pass & will not please some groups that didn’t get their wishlist fulfilled. If people are so upset about that just to wallow up to this date, they might as well go play NieR then. Compared to raids of previous expansions, this one’s definitely bloated with rewards.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

It’s true that there are many potential rewards they could add (Hint: many potential). But ultimately not all of them will get a pass & will not please some groups that didn’t get their wishlist fulfilled. If people are so upset about that just to wallow up to this date, they might as well go play NieR then. Compared to raids of previous expansions, this one’s definitely bloated with rewards.

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I can't ever remember chasing gear or rewards in any of the previous raids tiers. Sorry but for me most of those were boring and if I rolled on them they were for FC hand in's for seals. I've personally enjoyed this series tremendously but then I've never played Nier and had no expectations. I can understand those who wanted things and didn't get what they wanted but over all I think the gear/rewards/game play were very well done. I know my friend wanted A2 stuff and was disappointed to not get that and others who wanted weapons but none of the raid tiers every rewarded weapons to my knowledge.

I would love a replica of the weapons they use in the series.

One of my FC mates today said if they put those things on Mogstatiion they'd make a fortune but that wouldn't make lots happy given they'd have wanted them in game. Talk about a potential Firestorm.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Kinda surprised there isn't an Emil mask or minion. He's Yoko Taro's mascot, after all.

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Agree'd. Maybe as an eventual Mogstation shop item...?

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Originally Posted by wereotter

The real thing, too, wasn't that people didn't like glamor coffers, but they didn't like that people could just claim multiples of them. There were people on this forum saying they were trying to get enough to have them in their glamor dresser dyed every possible rare color. If they managed to make it so that if you had the coffer or the items in any of your inventories that you couldn't get one again, that would have solved a lot of the problems.

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Really though, even that hasn't been a problem in the long run. It was only a big deal in the first week or two when people wanted the thing straight away when all it needed was a little patience and the odds of winning weren't that bad. The system hasn't changed, but everyone who wants it probably has it by now.

Additional thought: if they really did not add gear coffers to further raids (and potentially further content) because of how upset people got over not winning them in the first week, that's several levels of disappointing. Partly the dev reaction seems shortsighted, but also that people's "complain about everything and we'll get what we want" approach has actually cut everyone off from extra items we might have gotten.

I can only hope the devs re-evaluate that sometime and add extra coffers eventually. Maybe to spark people into running the raids again once interest drops.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Really though, even that hasn't been a problem in the long run. It was only a big deal in the first week or two when people wanted the thing straight away when all it needed was a little patience and the odds of winning weren't that bad. The system hasn't changed, but everyone who wants it probably has it by now.

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Yeah I guess it’s ok now. I rerolled a fresh character a few weeks ago and it took me 2 runs to get the coffer eventually. Not as hard to get than when the raid first aired.

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

I think EverQuest has a form of glamour now as well, so you can avoid an undesirable look, but I always played Enchanter or Magician so it was all Robes anyway.

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Yeah I think it got added at some point like the Appearance tab was added to EQII eventually. I was an enchanter as well so it was just differently colored robes.