Holy now a bannable spell.

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Originally Posted by Anarnee

Yeah, I think this is silly, especially considering they said it's "Chat spam".

Does this mean I can report people that chain-craft in public areas for chat spam?

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100% this. If casting Holy three times is chat spam, then Every single person in Limsa should be reported for harassment. Do you know how many emotes get flooded into the chat log there? It's absolutely absurd.

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Originally Posted by Joven

Honestly I don't understand some of the notifications that pop-up in the chat log to begin with. Like why do I need a notification whenever someone else crafts an item? Or even that I crafted the item? I already know that I crafted the item. Or when I or someone else gathers items. I can see when someone else levels up, that's a *somewhat* special occasion to be celebrated. Usually the first thing I do when starting a new character is edit out my chat log to display only /tell, /say, /party or any linkshells I have active.

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You can disable the stuff in chat you don't want to see really just go into the log and turn it off if you don't want to see it in the chat.

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Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru

You can disable the stuff in chat you don't want to see really just go into the log and turn it off if you don't want to see it in the chat.

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I know, I said that I do. My question is why is there a need for it to show up in the first place?

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Originally Posted by Joven

I know, I said that I do. My question is why is there a need for it to show up in the first place?

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Well one could assume its for when your making something for someone nearby to teach them how to do it or what they are making for them honestly is all I can come up with reason wise.

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Originally Posted by Joven

I know, I said that I do. My question is why is there a need for it to show up in the first place?

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For me it's easier to link an item in chat. Also, sometimes I find it interesting what people craft while I walk past. Social interaction, y'know?

HOLY doesn't appear in the chat log if you use default settings.
So unless there was a Macro, or he was doing it just to be annoying and was asked to stop...
I doubt it's simply he was using Holy and got reported for using Holy.

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Originally Posted by AsukaAsakura

You can go outside the city to cast it.




Okay, so if you see 3 other people using it, and you come use it too, making it just colorful. Who is bothered by this. In a game. Where you can walk away. Where you can turn off spell effects. I 100,000% bet you, it took longer to report someone for something that the person felt "bothered by" than to turn off other players spell effects. It takes like 5 seconds to turn them off tops. Even on console. And the point of me saying that is "But why defend spamming" You can't call it bad in 1 place and good in another if the whole point the guy is saying is "Why defend spamming"

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How long does it take to blacklist someone who's spamming in chat? Not long at all- so we should just allow it, so they shouldn't get banned for doing it?

No sympathy. You tried on reddit and failed, so you wanna get people to make you feel better trying to be as annoying as possible?

It should've been a ban instead of a suspension.

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Originally Posted by ElciaDeiLinus

How long does it take to blacklist someone who's spamming in chat? Not long at all- so we should just allow it, so they shouldn't get banned for doing it?

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honestly ya they shouldn't be banned if you don't want to read it or look at it or you have a proplem with it use a blacklist instend of being a little snitch that doesn't have a ditch.

I feel no sympathy. The only reason to stand around spamming holy in a town would be to annoy people with it. Being able to blacklist someone doesn't mean they shouldn't get a suspension for spamming you in whispers, turning off spell effects doesn't mean someone spamming like this to be annoying shouldn't be punished. Doing it once or twice is one thing, spamming is another.

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Originally Posted by PeppermintBrown

I feel no sympathy. The only reason to stand around spamming holy in a town would be to annoy people with it. Being able to blacklist someone doesn't mean they shouldn't get a suspension for spamming you in whispers, turning off spell effects doesn't mean someone spamming like this to be annoying shouldn't be punished. Doing it once or twice is one thing, spamming is another.

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honestly yes it does mean exacly that the system is for that very reason if you dont like x person you black list em and turn off spells ... so honestly yes it does mean they shouldn't get punished use the damn system if you dont want a person saying something to you black list it

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Originally Posted by deadman1204

It should've been a ban instead of a suspension.

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I'm wondering if maybe we need to get rid of warnings and suspensions, do one thing wrong, permanently banned. And yes, I would retroactively apply it, meaning that 10 day forum suspension I got about 4 years ago, will automatically be escalated to a permanent ban. And apply it to both forums and the game. I wonder if that would stop trolls knowing that one false move and they're gone for good? And by retroactively applying it, you're setting examples that it will happen.

Do people think that would change anything, as brutal as it is? I'm on the fence about this idea, but I would like to court feedback (respectfully) to see if people think this would change anything.

I never pay enough attention to my chat log to notice these things. Huh. TIL.

God forbid players to have fun, because someone could find it offensive, report them and ban.

Bad performance on bard - ban
Spamming skills in town with someone for fun - ban
Crafting in city - ban
Writing emotes - ban
Beating someone with emotes - ban
Standing next to someone - ban
Writing "hahaha" in chat - ban

Be nice or ban, inhuman order to be hold in a virtual world because something is annoying to someone, no meanies allowed lol
I hope Tencent will take over SE and bring some common sense into the game.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

God forbid players to have fun, because someone could find it offensive, report them and ban.

Bad performance on bard - ban
Spamming skills in town with someone for fun - ban
Crafting in city - ban
Writing emotes - ban
Beating someone with emotes - ban
Standing next to someone - ban

Be nice or ban, inhuman order to be hold in a virtual world because something is annoying to someone, no meanies allowed lol
I hope Tencent will take over SE and bring some common sense into the game.

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Over Exaggerating situations is common sense now? Who knew?

Oh know people are reporting me for being a meany so mean of them am I right? That's what most meanys are they can dish it but can't take it. They go cry on forums. Now that is hilarious

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Originally Posted by CrocodileRocking

Over Exaggerating situations is common sense now? Who knew?

Oh know people are reporting me for being a meany so mean of them am I right? That's what most meanys are they can dish it but can't take it. They go cry on forums. Now that is hilarious

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Overexaggerating is current Terms of Service thats is completely absurd and out of place.
They could ban you virtually for everything according to it, the person writing a report just need to come up with good reason in the report and boom you get suspended.
Today its spamming holy, tommorow it could be a crafting, because why not?

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Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru

honestly yes it does mean exacly that the system is for that very reason if you dont like x person you black list em and turn off spells ... so honestly yes it does mean they shouldn't get punished use the damn system if you dont want a person saying something to you black list it

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No, it doesn't mean that. Having that be the end all solution suggests that there isnt consequences for being an @sshat.

The solution shouldn't solely consist of OTHER people taking steps to avoid being annoyed by one individual/individuals that dont have enough impulse control from being annoying in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

Overexaggerating is current Terms of Service thats is completely absurd and out of place.
They could ban you virtually for everything according to it, the person writing a report just need to come up with good reason in the report and boom you get suspended.

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Lmao what? When is a good reason to ban not a good reason to ban? Comeon where's the common sense here? Am I missing something?

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

All it takes is a prof that you are doing it "intentionally" against someone, anything you do in public around someone could get you in trouble.

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Commons sense dictates that when you are intentionally doing it to annoy someone, you will get punished. :)

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Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru

You seem to think there is one defination of annoying while sorry to break your little fantasy bubble life but it doesn't. What is called annoying is fully determined by a single persons view points or personality in which case if you the invidual find something annoying then MOVE TO A DIFFRENT SPOT OR BLACKLIST don't be a little snitch. I sware people who believe what you said really has no right to be on the internet at all.

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And people wonder why people get reported? There's always more to the story and the way this person acts is why you always ask for the full story before jumping to conclusions. Who want's to put money down that when someone asks this person to stop spamming they will spam even more?

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

God forbid players to have fun, because someone could find it offensive, report them and ban.

Bad performance on bard - ban
Spamming skills in town with someone for fun - ban
Crafting in city - ban
Writing emotes - ban
Beating someone with emotes - ban
Standing next to someone - ban
Writing "hahaha" in chat - ban

Be nice or ban, inhuman order to be hold in a virtual world because something is annoying to someone, no meanies allowed lol
I hope Tencent will take over SE and bring some common sense into the game.

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Spamming holy in town isn't fun for people who don't want to see or hear it nonstop tho. You having fun shouldn't be at the cost of other people. If having fun is trolling and bing a dick then yes that should be punishable. I mean do you go out and scream in random department stores to have fun? If you did you'll be asked to stop and if you didn't you'll be removed. so why should it be any different ingame? It's like people forgot how to be a decent human being nowdays. :c

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Originally Posted by CrocodileRocking

Lmao what? When is a good reason to ban not a good reason to ban? Comeon where's the common sense here? Am I missing something?

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There is no common sense, you are not going to find one when it comes to the ToS in this game.
Please have a read on it
https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...6&id=5382&la=1

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Originally Posted by monk-dps

Spamming holy in town isn't fun for people who don't want to see or hear it nonstop tho. You having fun shouldn't be at the cost of other people. If having fun is trolling and bing a dick then yes that should be punishable. I mean do you go out and scream in random department stores to have fun? If you did you'll be asked to stop and if you didn't you'll be removed. so why should it be any different ingame? It's like people forgot how to be a decent human being nowdays. :c

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So is crafting right? It makes really annoying sound around and flashes, you could take it to extreme levels and ask someone to stop crafting, if he wont then you could report him and say it triggers you seizure and the guy did not stop when asked, he will get banned or warned i could bet 10$ on it.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

So is crafting right? It makes really annoying sound around and flashes.

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You can't put crafting into the same category. Crafting serves a purpose, and doing it by the market board is the most logical place to do it. Going to town to spam abilities doesn't serve any purpose.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

You can't put crafting into the same category. Crafting serves a purpose, and doing it by the market board is the most logical place to do it. Going to town to spam abilities doesn't serve any purpose.

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Don't worry, someone will bring it up again on the next page. People like making false equivalents.

I'm just waiting for the "but what about bots" argument to circle in again.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

You can't put crafting into the same category. Crafting serves a purpose, and doing it by the market board is the most logical place to do it. Going to town to spam abilities doesn't serve any purpose.

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Does not matter, it is annoying same as someone using emotes.
The ToS is on the side of a reporter, you could make up soooo many situations in which you could get someone ban for doing something, you just need to do it smart.
Current ToS is absurd and easily abused.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

God forbid players to have fun, because someone could find it offensive, report them and ban.

Bad performance on bard - ban
Spamming skills in town with someone for fun - ban
Crafting in city - ban
Writing emotes - ban
Beating someone with emotes - ban
Standing next to someone - ban
Writing "hahaha" in chat - ban

Be nice or ban, inhuman order to be hold in a virtual world because something is annoying to someone, no meanies allowed lol
I hope Tencent will take over SE and bring some common sense into the game.

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You would think that common sense would dictate when you only have a part of the story that you don’t jump to conclusions and overreact.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

You would think that common sense would dictate when you only have a part of the story that you don’t jump to conclusions and overreact.

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All it takes is a prof that you are doing it "intentionally" against someone, anything you do in public around someone could get you in trouble.

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Originally Posted by DBriggs304

No, it doesn't mean that. Having that be the end all solution suggests that there isnt consequences for being an @sshat.

The solution shouldn't solely consist of OTHER people taking steps to avoid being annoyed by one individual/individuals that dont have enough impulse control from being annoying in the first place.

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You seem to think there is one defination of annoying while sorry to break your little fantasy bubble life but it doesn't. What is called annoying is fully determined by a single persons view points or personality in which case if you the invidual find something annoying then MOVE TO A DIFFRENT SPOT OR BLACKLIST don't be a little snitch. I sware people who believe what you said really has no right to be on the internet at all.

Serves him right for spamming :)
No spam no ban :)

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Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru

You seem to think there is one defination of annoying while sorry to break your little fantasy bubble life but it doesn't. What is called annoying is fully determined by a single persons view points or personality in which case if you the invidual find something annoying then MOVE TO A DIFFRENT SPOT OR BLACKLIST don't be a little snitch. I sware people who believe what you said really has no right to be on the internet at all.

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I haven't heard "don't be a snitch" since elementary school.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

All it takes is a prof that you are doing it "intentionally" against someone, anything you do in public around someone could get you in trouble.

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No, not anything- just intentionally spamming around other people. That's like saying 'well if racial slurs get me banned, that must mean saying anything will get me banned'. It won't, don't be a tool and you won't get suspended again, not hard to figure it out.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

You would think that common sense would dictate when you only have a part of the story that you don’t jump to conclusions and overreact.

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I'm too lazy to look through this whole thread. What was the other side of the story? Figured we weren't getting the whole thing.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

All it takes is a prof that you are doing it "intentionally" against someone, anything you do in public around someone could get you in trouble.

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Then let's break it down, because that's another assumption.
The information presented by the log:
- The player in question was SUSPENDED, not banned.
- The player in question was told by the GMing the issue was they were spamming
- The player in question established that they were spamming holy
- The player in question admitted to having a previous strike

That's ALL we know.

Let's consider some possibilities:
- The player was emote & skill spamming RPers whilst they were RPing. This is quite a common tactic by trolls
- The player was target specific people to harass and obnoxiously spam with their behaviour, possibly following them to do it, or doing in the space they were trying to do stuff
- It could be that there behaviours that were compounded as part of them being reported for spamming
- Their first strike could have been for similar trollish behaviour
- Any of the above and the people affected possibly asked multiple times for them to stop, but the OP chose to persist
- And other things I've probably not considered

Was it this dictatorship and GM abuse of power that people seem to decry it to be? I think of the "get to the gulag" rant I saw in another thread where I commonly did all the thing he said we'd get banned for. And for this thread here, if the case, we'd see it a lot more prevalent.

With regards to 'proof' we are not privy to any of the 'proof' in this situation, you're seemingly just assuming only weak evidence is all that's needed. For all we know there could have been an admission of guilt, because I have seen trolls do exactly that because they're cocky nothing will happen.

So what do I think is likely? My years of having worked customer complaints and years of being an FC leader and dealing with cases of drama llama, there's a few problems that are easy to spot when somebody comes by to publicise a problem.

1) The 'evidence' they provide either puts them in favour or somebody else in a bad light (or both)
2) They present it in a manner that favours how they want you to see it.
3) They omit information that could turn the whole situation on its head. So whilst everything you've been presented, could still be accurate, but in the way of tabloid journalism, what's been omitted could tell an entirely different story.
4) They don't show or tell you the whole picture

In customer complaints, I had the liberty of being able to gather evidence, particularly in listening to the calls they're complaining about.
As an FC leader, I can approach the party and get their side of the story and if they followed my golden rule, they'd have logged /everything/.
In this situation here? I doubt even if we got a hold of the GM in question of if they read this thread they'd be at liberty to disclose more info about a complaint because they may not be allowed to discuss actions taken against players aside from to the player in question. And possible there's legal issues for somebody representing a company to do that too (like GDPR or Data Protection).

My option then? Take it with a pinch of salt. Accept it's possible that it's a fair representation, but also accept that it could be totally wrong. When the other party is not there to defend their side, I find it wholly unfair to simply take the one side we know.

Be careful bard performers. I love you, but judging by this you might not be safe :(

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Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru

You seem to think there is one defination of annoying while sorry to break your little fantasy bubble life but it doesn't. What is called annoying is fully determined by a single persons view points or personality in which case if you the invidual find something annoying then MOVE TO A DIFFRENT SPOT OR BLACKLIST don't be a little snitch. I sware people who believe what you said really has no right to be on the internet at all.

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That is the most irrelevant word salad that I have read here in a while. There are NOT multiple definitions of annoying. You either are or you aren't. And OUR definitions of annoying dont mean one thing as SE determines what is and isnt...and they obviously determined this was.

If people were asking them to stop and they continued or they were doing it excessively for an extended period of time for no other reason than to be annoying, no, I'm not moving. I'm not going to blacklist you as if that has anything to do with the visual effects and audio sounds, and sure as hell am NOT going into MY settings to turn off spell effects cause someone is being a jerk.

But that person WILL eventually stop being annoying when they are reported. That is what the system is for. No one cares about the snitch BS. Since no one can grab the offender through the internet and make them stop, this is the tool to use for disruptive behavior. And no doubt, this did not occur from one report and willing to bet it was multiple people complaining.

TLDR: Dont be a jerk and you'll be fine.

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Originally Posted by Priya

Be careful bard performers. I love you, but judging by this you might not be safe :(

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I imagine it could be possible to also get a suspension using an instrument if you're just spamming noises to be annoying.

While we're at it, can we add those Lala/miqo that sit around town spamming their most obnoxious sounding emotes to the suspension list?

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Originally Posted by DBriggs304

That is the most irrelevant word salad that I have read here in a while. There are NOT multiple definitions of annoying. You either are or you aren't. And OUR definitions of annoying dont mean one thing as SE determines what is and isnt...and they obviously determined this was.

If people were asking them to stop and they continued or they were doing it excessively for an extended period of time for no other reason than to be annoying, no, I'm not moving. I'm not going to blacklist you as if that has anything to do with the visual effects and audio sounds, and sure as hell am NOT going into MY settings to turn off spell effects cause someone is being a jerk.

But that person WILL eventually stop being annoying when they are reported. That is what the system is for. No one cares about the snitch BS. Since no one can grab the offender through the internet and make them stop, this is the tool to use for disruptive behavior. And no doubt, this did not occur from one report and willing to bet it was multiple people complaining.

TLDR: Dont be a jerk and you'll be fine.

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lol I love how you people simplefy everything like "jerk" is the only ones who get in trouble with a system like that hell most of the time I'm nice to people however if someone asked me to stop x thing I would be like to them 1 line only be like well why won't you move some were else this map is large you don't like it you can go elsewere. Also I've gotton in trouble many times over simple jokes and talking about subjects i rather enjoy which in those topics noone was insulted or anything it was just talking about for example axel x roxas or my opinion why human experimention should be legal and all that fun stuff all of which was never being a "jerk" in how you put it.

Also yes there are many and it does effect it I don't find anything annoying unless u basicly stalk the person doing it every where they move to

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Originally Posted by Priya

Be careful bard performers. I love you, but judging by this you might not be safe :(

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I told you guys.... it's time to make a drinking game from this thread.

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Originally Posted by QT_Melon

I told you guys.... it's time to make a drinking game from this thread.

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Please don't, your liver will hate you.

Fury take me! The mental gymnasts and whataboutists in here trying to justify being a nuisance...

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Originally Posted by QooEr

even if you somehow argue that spamming holy was wrong, the punishment is too harsh. a warning would've sufficed

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SE tends to dole out punishment on an escalation system. Past offenses can cause future offenses to incur a harsher punishment than one might think is necessary. This dude getting a three day ban “just” for spamming means he either has a history or he pissed off a lot of people with his antics.

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Originally Posted by Priya

Be careful bard performers. I love you, but judging by this you might not be safe :(

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Don't give me ideas...I'll be the Crumplebottom of my server.

"Stop that ! I'll have you banned !"

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20140123040403

How dare they enforce their ToS! This would never happen in another mmo! True enough. That is why I am here.