Final Fantasy 14 App

Well, looks like I'll download the app, register my character for the extra favored teleport destination and immediately delete it from my phone.

I will say, thought, that I'm getting very unhappy with the way SE is managing the game lately, I hope they take the negative feedback and amend their ways before they drive me and a lot of other people away from the game.

I'm honestly not surprised. SE have been constantly pushing that boundary harder and harder, and yet people still defended them. Now look how far they went.

What's worse is a majority of the income won't even go back to FF14. It'll just go to their other games being in development.

Do you need to be connected to your phone so much that you even have to interact with the game via your phone? If you need to chat you can use discord, if you need to access the MB or your retainers you can do so via the game when you're on, no reason to have an app in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Zhamkyong

Seems that premium is 5dollars a month: additional kuponut, additional retainer, you can organize items between retainers directly and the saddle, saddle capacity doubled... Not sure if I left something out.

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Well, people that pay for extra retainers may dismiss one or two and pick the app. I only have one extra retainer so if I dismiss him and pick the app I would pay more than now, not sure it is worth it, but if you dismiss two retainers...

The idea I don't like too much is people at work updating the price at the market boards with the app (I would feel bad doing that, to be honest) but maybe updating the retainers at home while you sit somewhere different than the PC is a good idea, you might save time. : )

That premium thing is a joke,you have to pay 12E a month,already,so +5 E for "premium" WOOOOOW
Okay what the hell here ? Is Square Enix SOOOOO greedy that they are combining the double subscription thing ? even optional,dude 17+E per month,to not even be able to get all function ? ( cause yeah,there is all the mogstation stuff,and the 5/6 more retainer you have to pay)

In one year its more than 200E in the game,and when you know the game get big update every 6month,its litteraly a scam at this point,

Its final fantasy 14,Not Eve Online or Albion,your caractere is not limited in weigh,you must not store stuff in every city.

And that friend chat in the app ? its not like the world is using discord or something already.

All that ressources they put in that useless app,couldent they use it for i dont know.... MORE CONTENT ? like everyone is asking since years,cause the game get 2 big update per years,and the rest of the time,people just afk in limsa,cause there is litteraly nothing to do.

I can see people already "put you're not forced to" Hey,im paying a subscription,im playing since 2.0,already more than 400E went in that game just of the sub,not even counting to buy the game every expansion,and you're telling me 400E is not enough ?

To conclude,that app is a scam that we did not need,his functiona re limited,apart from crafte who will need it to sell 24h/24h,everyone using discord to talk with people,they were better off adding more content or in 17month,do better than pulling a Fate farm again.

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Originally Posted by JonBigwood

Well, people that pay for extra retainers may dismiss one or two and pick the app. I only have one extra retainer so if I dismiss him and pick the app I would pay more than now, not sure it is worth it, but if you dismiss two retainers...

The idea I don't like too much is people at work updating the price at the market boards with the app (I would feel bad doing that, to be honest) but maybe updating the retainers at home while you sit somewhere different than the PC is a good idea, you might save time. : )

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I don't think the app actually gives you a retainer. I think it just increases the cap and it's only useful if you already pay for 9 retainers. So it's like paying $5 to be able to pay an extra $1.

Square EAnix - We know how to nickle&dime fans.

Subscription fee 15$, another 15$ for all retainers and now 5$ pr MONTH for an APP?
And yet we see way more content in the Mogstation than in the game itself. What has happened guys? Did EA or Activision buy you up or something else greedy happen?

Well its sure not something I'll use. I don't carry my phone. Simply this, if I'm at home, I play on pc, if I go to a work function no phones allowed nor should there be. If I'm having dinner with friends, I'm not sitting there with a tiny phone screen in my face, I'm talking to them. If I'm driving, or riding with someone, no I'm not sticking that phone in my face. I'm starting to think that this game is moving in a direction that is not for me. I would love extra storage but I'm not paying any more for it than what my sub fee is, matter of principle not money, its not worth it to me.

Find it odd that they have always said that they can't give us more retainers or inventory space do to server limitations, and yet now the servers can magically handle it just fine but only if you pay $5 a month (and I doubt this money is going to upgrading the servers). At this point SE's greed is getting to the point that i may just stop playing their games since they can't help but try to milk their players for every last dollar while giving very little in return.

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Originally Posted by spf1200

Find it odd that they have always said that they can't give us more retainers or inventory space do to server limitations, and yet now the servers can magically handle it just fine but only if you pay $5 a month (and I doubt this money is going to upgrading the servers). At this point SE's greed is getting to the point that i may just stop playing their games since they can't help but try to milk their players for every last dollar while giving very little in return.

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Look at FFXV, S-E sold half the game for $60! The other 50% will cost $120+ by the time they can be bothered to finish what they spent over a decade on already.

As for inventory in XIV, at this point "server limitations" are a blatent lie. Nothing more than a wet paper bag excuse to tack extra fees on our subs.

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Originally Posted by splinter1545

I'm honestly not surprised. SE have been constantly pushing that boundary harder and harder, and yet people still defended them. Now look how far they went.

What's worse is a majority of the income won't even go back to FF14. It'll just go to their other games being in development.

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We should say "We told you". Does anyone remember when some of us said -multiple times over the years- that they would keep trying to push the line further and further to see how far they can nickel and dime the playerbase? Yet we were called ignorants, and told that we were making a drama and exaggerating. Well, I guess that we can keep letting them put more F2P crap on top of a P2P sub while getting nothing in return (not to mention other "awesome" changes like moving from account wide cash shop stuff to it being single character... and not at a reduced price tag), neither proper improvements to the actual game or the infrastructure (server limitations here, database being in a shitty state from 2.0 there... huh, but if you pay more we can magically fix it for you... for a month). Perhaps once they sell "optional" quests and dungeons/raids, dungeon or raid tokens somewhere, loot and gil boosters, etc., the community will do something about this. But hey! It's optional, right?

Square-Enix are our buddies. They aren't obviously a business that will try to get as much money as possible, and go as far as customers let them go. /sarcasm

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Originally Posted by Yshnal

We should say "We told you". Does anyone remember when some of us said -multiple times over the years- that they would keep trying to push the line further and further to see how far they can nickel and dime the playerbase? Yet we were called ignorants, and told that we were making a drama and exaggerating.

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I think it's time for me to take an extended break, perhaps leaving entirely, even if it means losing my house. I've been saying the same about their actions for a long time now, but hoped it wouldn't reach this point. It has. I've had enough of their greed. Only way to speak up is with my wallet, so that's what I'm doing. This on top of other details emerging from the LL has turned me off to this game in a big way.

The question is, can you just pay your sub and go on playing the game and pretend this thing doesn't exist?
Maybe, but I am wondering the effect the kupo nuts will have on the in game economy,

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Originally Posted by Yshnal

We should say "We told you". Does anyone remember when some of us said -multiple times over the years- that they would keep trying to push the line further and further to see how far they can nickel and dime the playerbase? Yet we were called ignorants, and told that we were making a drama and exaggerating. Well, I guess that we can keep letting them put more F2P crap on top of a P2P sub while getting nothing in return (not to mention other "awesome" changes like moving from account wide cash shop stuff to it being single character... and not at a reduced price tag), neither proper improvements to the actual game or the infrastructure (server limitations here, database being in a shitty state from 2.0 there... huh, but if you pay more we can magically fix it for you... for a month). Perhaps once they sell "optional" quests and dungeons/raids, dungeon or raid tokens somewhere, loot and gil boosters, etc., the community will do something about this. But hey! It's optional, right?

Square-Enix are our buddies. They aren't obviously a business that will try to get as much money as possible, and go as far as customers let them go. /sarcasm

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History has proven to repeat itself many times with other developers and publishers. ESO, for example, started pushing how low quantity their updates could be while keeping the same price of said updates. We know have $15 updates that only include 2 dungeons. Don't get me started on how bad the cash shop is.

XIV is starting to go down a similar path. We'll see if it comes back to bite them in the butt or not.

buying the coins is a no no for me.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I think it's time for me to take an extended break, perhaps leaving entirely, even if it means losing my house. I've been saying the same about their actions for a long time now, but hoped it wouldn't reach this point. It has. I've had enough of their greed. Only way to speak up is with my wallet, so that's what I'm doing. This on top of other details emerging from the LL has turned me off to this game in a big way.

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I'm contemplating leaving 14 for good after this turn of events. Figured I'd at least offer one of my friends my house if I do go. Maybe an idea if you quit as well.

Final Fantasy XIV: Micro-Transactions Online.

Do the Devs even read these boards?
If they do, do they consider all 4 language sections?
Do people on the other section seem to feel the same way?

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Originally Posted by MsQi

Do the Devs even read these boards?
If they do, do they consider all 4 language sections?
Do people on the other section seem to feel the same way?

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Probably, maybe. Maybe not? Apart from the recent botting uproar. I wouldn't pay SE anymore than my sub, with all the stuff going around in the game makes me wonder if they deserve even a cent from me now.

i didnt read all, but i thing irritates me

As ever, there is the same way to defend SE : "[insert company] does worse than SE"
WoW is worse (... the more Yoshi go, the less we can hope to say this btw) EA is worse, Foxnews is worse, my drugdealer is worse.

Yeah, there is always worse, but, for those who are saying such things, this 5th year of FFXIV is worse in many point than the first. Why? the first year didnt have any cash shop (except server change and other services that all sub MMORPG had). BUT the first year, the game was smaller than today. so... first FFXIV year was worse than now, and now is worse than first year...

I dont want to see if the poop i have is less smelling than others... I prefer to see if others are managing better food than mine, and try to beat them!

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Originally Posted by MsQi

Do the Devs even read these boards?
If they do, do they consider all 4 language sections?
Do people on the other section seem to feel the same way?

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I can't tell for german and japanese section, but the french section is rather quiet right now. Probably because most of us are actually looking up the english forum, which is much more active.

Personally speaking, I do feel burn out with the game and half of me just want to quit. What's keeping me is my FC, statics and character. But if I look at it without emotion blinding me, I just have to admit that I spent less and less time IG, because I've got literally nothing to do. And I just know that 4.3 will just keep me busy for an afternoon or so before just getting back to the same old routine.

Honestly, I would be fine with the 10€ ($13 in the US I think?) emote, all the glamour and such put on the Mog Station. I would be fine with paying an additional monthly fee for more servant. And I even would be fine with the Companion App, actually. But it would only be fine as long as the money I spent on it was put back one way or another into the game to make new features or interesting things to do (And no, to me Eureka wasn't interesting. At all.).

But now we just get less and less content while it takes more and more time to give it : 4.2 was on january 29th and now they just announced 4.3 for late in may.


I just hope they are just busy working on a huge revamp for 5.0. If not, I might just quit like I did with WoW at the start of WoD.

I paid for retainers back in the day...they have a bunch of my items but I cant get them out unless I repay for them, yet since I am on a 6monty sub, I would have to pay all 4 remaining months for both retainers at the same time to get my items back. I cant even just take them out, I am completely locked out of my items unless I throw money at them.

I'm not paying for any more "services", I already pay monthly and we get more glamour in the shop than ingame these days, and no new holiday glamour either. Just furniture. I don't have a house.

I don't care what's wrong with other games.
I don't really care to know, either.
FF14 is what I enjoy playing and what I am paying for monthly.

This premium app is an outright scummy tactic, and should not belong in this game when there are already so many monetization venues for this game.

I can deal with the recent surge of glamours added to the Mogstation given that they don't affect gameplay, but this decision made by SE goes too far and is incredibly insulting.

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Originally Posted by Asiragan

I can't tell for german and japanese section, but the french section is rather quiet right now. Probably because most of us are actually looking up the english forum, which is much more active.

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In french forum, with different reason (banwave banwave) there isnt many left, and we nearly know, before reading, what each will say
Me and others will just say it is scandalous. others will admit and say "meh, not a tragedy, it is not game breaker" and one (that did a feverish defence of eureka in the english forum) will find all he can to say SE is great, we have to shut up.

But, we have a topic "money enix" that is 1 year old, was speaking about all this cash shop growing... i will make it revive a little, with this, and 1 or 2 other things.
But globally, french forum is dead

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

People calling the coins and nuts "pay to win" don't seem to understand the definition of the term.

Being able to remotely buy items does not give you a major advantage over non-paying players.

Pay to win would be something like offering Savage gear for real money.

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It really doesn't matter whether it is or not, it's the implications. Being able to pay real money to buy things in game breaks the barrier of real money > gil. That's literally all that matters. Why not just open up a RMAH like blizz did with D3? We'll see how long that lasts.

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Originally Posted by Aerlana

i didnt read all, but i thing irritates me

As ever, there is the same way to defend SE : "[insert company] does worse than SE"
WoW is worse (... the more Yoshi go, the less we can hope to say this btw) EA is worse, Foxnews is worse, my drugdealer is worse.

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In order of "cruelty to their playerbase" EA is far worse than even the Korean companies. The next is Activision-Blizzard, who saw EA getting the entire industry potentially regulated because of their greed, and clawed back most of their lootbox-style microtransactions EXCEPT those on overwatch.

The Korean and Japanese game developers do not have the clout to pull the most egregious of P2W BS, and the Japanese developers certainly know this, but also know they have a more captive audience than WoW, Nexon or NCSoft do. Nobody is going to quit a "Final Fantasy" game to play some P2W garbage from Korea is their arrogance speaking.

Every time a P2W game is exported from Japan or Korea it falls on it's face here, again from developer arrogance. The only stuff that stays afloat are these social mobile games with P2W trash, and even then people just JB their Android phones and use the game's own microtransactions against itself. "Fine, I'll just give myself a billion smurfberries, oh look I finished the game in 5 minutes."

http://i68.tinypic.com/imuqt0.png
EA is shameless, and the developers of The Simpsons Tapped out lampshaded this a few times.

As someone who is a pack rat in MMOs getting more inventory storage is a plus even though it's behind a pay wall which obviously isn't the best solution but it does allow more space as has been said with the retainer and the extra slots in the Chocobo saddlebag. This is basically the WoW armory app when it first released. Though the WoW armory app never let you manipulate your inventory sorta speak.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

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*facepalm*

read again my post, understand what i say, and read your own post...

You will find out why your post is USELESS

the matter is not "is SE like EA" or "EA is far more worse"
the matter is "how can SE be better" because, more time pass, more i think "how SE manage to go down and down"

i dont want to know why i could be happy to get this shitty thing because some other are doing worse. because i prefer watch examples that are BETTER
For example : BDO, Russian player can go on a server that need a subscription. BUT on these sub-server, you dont have to pay anything else, all cash shop stuff for other BDO (like europa/NA BDO) are in game... for free...
THIS is an example i would like SE to follow. i dont care anyone saying me "EA is far more worse"

If you want to say FFXIV is great, go watch where others are great and say "FFXIV is at the same level, or nearly same". Stop watching to some shit and say "hey, at least, we dont have this"
FFXIV is not a game for some kind of elit. it is a game, in many others. FFXIV cash shop is worst than many other cash shop. it is a fact. (and even worse than some you did speak... )

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Originally Posted by Aerlana

*facepalm*

read again my post, understand what i say, and read your own post...

You will find out why your post is USELESS

the matter is not "is SE like EA" or "EA is far more worse"
the matter is "how can SE be better" because, more time pass, more i think "how SE manage to go down and down"

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The person you are replying to does that all the time. I tried to explain to them, the reason you do not get replies at times (word use of "you" here is from my prospective talking to KisaiTenshi ), is because the post is so off tangent, people do not even know what to say.
(what is funny is their reply to that just repeated said mistake)
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4637578
I mean I just wanted to help them.. i doono if they are doing it to troll or they really do not get their replies do not fit what they are trying to reply to?
I mean I even tried showing them this example:

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To put it simply, picture 2 people talking about why the sky is blue, you try relate it to why the grass is green then write an essay why the grass is green, makes people simply speechless and not sure what to say.

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exactly what happened to you.

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

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to be honest... i found his reply so silly that i read his post history and laughed.
Just, look at the way she says. Thinking FFXIV get a captiv audience due to the high quality than no other game could have (so no way anyone intelligent would leave)
The perfect blindfan answer ;)

Hoped she would answer me again (i would have stop :p) not you T_T wanted to laugh a little more T_T

This app is the cumulative effort of everyone who paid for cash shop stuff as the prices got higher and higher. Theyre just tryna see how far they can go now...it was one thing at glamour but this is basically borderline pay to win.

I can't help but feel a little concerned about what people could potentially do with the app once it inevitably gets cracked and hacked.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I can't help but feel a little concerned about what people could potentially do with the app once it inevitably gets cracked and hacked.

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So within a day of it getting released?

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Originally Posted by Shouko

So within a day of it getting released?

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lmao. Who knows, but giving that extra retainer and possibility of more features, it can open many doors for 3rd party.

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Originally Posted by Krokov

You'll be able to hire another retainer with the app and can use the market board as well through the app.

It can hire moogles to do stuff for you and other functions will be at as well but there will be two Services free and premium.

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I would pay for the app if it just had a more streamlined way of accessing your retainers.

Clicking on every retainer separately, waiting for them to load, having to make multiple clicks just to gather your gil, reset your prices, or post items is a hot mess. If the app allowed me to see all items being sold at once, allow me gather all my gil at once, and allowed me to post items for sale without having to open every retainer...

There is no need to sugar coat the app by tossing us extra "nuts" (which I have no doubt will be sold in packages in the Mog station soon after the app is successful), just fix the god awful UI.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Houses on the mog shop when?

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Housing will never work on the mog shop until it's all instanced.

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

Housing will never work on the mog shop until it's all instanced.

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They said it was too expensive to get more storage... then we went from 2 free retainer + 2 sub retainer, to 2 free + 6 sub.
Money can makes all happen!

Honestly so little of this apps features sound appealing enough to even use the free version much less ANOTHER hike to my sub. Between retainers and sub I pay around $25 a month and that's far more than I feel this game is worth already.

Not even sure if I will download it, with the info we have so far its a no. They missed out on tons of features that would have made this app a lot more useful. They just keep swinging so kudos for that but they should aim a little higher. They look like amateurs playing in the big leagues right now.

I kindda hope things like this go bust just to encourage them to do better. They are sailing on the FF name and so many fanboys defend poor design and implementation, which is why that's what we get. If you truly care about the franchise, you need to call the devs out when they do bad or get to greedy (both of those boxes are checked here) and congratulate them when they do good. That is how things survive and thrive.

To me, this would be like WoW locking the ability to train troops and send troops on missions behind a paywall in their Legion app, with the added insult of locking bigger backpacks behind the same wall.

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

To me, this would be like WoW locking the ability to train troops and send troops on missions behind a paywall in their Legion app, with the added insult of locking bigger backpacks behind the same wall.

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Except you can still manage your retainers without the app, and you already have a 70 slot saddlebag to use. I've barely touched mine.