FFXIV named "worst FF ever" by IGN.

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Originally Posted by Bowen

How could it be unorthodox if it was the second in the series?

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In comparison to the rest of the games, it was very weird, especially since FFIII jumped right back to the "regular" style of progression.

Since it was different, people weren't that keen on it because to be fair it was pretty weird way of progressing beyond the usual hack and slash, much like Zelda II was a different style in ways.

Not to mention, it isn't like FF was the first JPRG. It was quite obviously unorthodox by the standards of the genre.

I don't understand how FFXI isn't on their greatest list. FFXI was amazing and is still the only MMO to tell an amazing story, and in such a great way. Not even TOR was able to beat FFXI's storytelling.

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Originally Posted by MysteriousRonin

I don't understand how FFXI isn't on their greatest list. FFXI was amazing and is still the only MMO to tell an amazing story, and in such a great way. Not even TOR was able to beat FFXI's storytelling.

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cuz its an mmo, thats why its not on there


and its the same reason 14 shouldnt have even been on it


mmos and console games are 2 entirely seperate monsters

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Originally Posted by Bowen

Incoming lock. . .

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Baccanle or whatever his name is better keep his nose out, or open a general thread.

Also - Final Fantasy something something on topic.

XIV is atm the worst FF game ever made no one can argue that. Now it is also one with a huge potential to grow into something great... but atm yea the game is still not acceptable for a FF game nor a mmo in that matter.

That review actully was more positive then I expected from IGN. They said the game has potential more or less.

I just love how they just pick some weird random time to kick the game in the balls a bit more, as if they didn't do so enough already when it came out.

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Originally Posted by Scherwiz

Baccanle or whatever his name is better keep his nose out, or open a general thread.

Also - Final Fantasy something something on topic.

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Watch as he is the one who locks this. LOL

Forget worst ever FF, at launch and to a lesser degree now, calling this the worst game ever was not an outrageous statement.

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Originally Posted by coops

Forget worst ever FF, at launch and to a lesser degree now, calling this the worst game ever was not an outrageous statement.

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Again, this is all just opinion.

People still listen to IGN? I find them to be nothing but horrible excuses for journalists, that only give good reviews to the companies that shell out the most cash.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

People still listen to IGN? I find them to be nothing but horrible excuses for journalists, that only give good reviews to the companies that shell out the most cash.

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Well they do work for Rupert Murdock...

People still read IGN? In recent years the reviews on IGN have been hideous. People have also speculated that they give better ratings to games that pay for ad space.

A review that compares one game to another is biased. Each game is different and certainly people like some games more then others. An RPG is like reading a fantasy novel not all appeal to peoples.

While there are probably more people that have disliked FFXIV more so then other iterations of FF there is also quite a cult following that enjoy the release of FFXIV and it's current iteration. Sorry it's not your cup of tea IGN but you can't judge what takes many years to play out based on a few hours of play.

There is also a large base that believe and can be evidenced by the coverage and response to FFXIV that since Square Enix snubbed buying ad space for the game the reviewers gave it lil' attention and rated it poorly based on that.

I give a perfect example, I bought AMY for PSN, it is a nice game, but hard!

I read IGN's review, and they used the word garbage so many times -.- but I played it and all their complaints did not exsist with me (commands not working or collision detection problems)

Now to be fare, I had to update with a 19MB patch when I bought it, the game has only been out for a little over a week & 1/2, that would have fixed some of said problems......

but so far I am loving the game, even with the high difficulty.

They gave the game a 2/10 ....really?
I will agree there are some things that are bad (voice acting for one) but other then that it is a good game.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

I give a perfect example, I bought AMY for PSN, it is a nice game, but hard!

I read IGN's review, and they used the word garbage so many times -.- but I played it and all their complaints did not exsist with me (commands not working or collision detection problems)

Now to be fare, I had to update with a 19MB patch when I bought it, the game has only been out for a little over a week & 1/2, that would have fixed some of said problems......

but so far I am loving the game, even with the high difficulty.

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whats sad is the reviewers personal taste in games always comes to the surface

i had a major issue for instance with the review of red dead redemption that game informer did, for those who played the game, imagine a review telling you that you went to mexico in that game for no reason, and that it didnt make sense cuz it had no connection to the main revenge story. of course they also went on to badmouth it for a full page....only to give it like a 9.5/10 lol

make sense of that!

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

People still listen to IGN? I find them to be nothing but horrible excuses for journalists, that only give good reviews to the companies that shell out the most cash.

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Don't you mean every major gaming review site?

This game is on easy mode right now. There are no pop hierarchies like sea or sky pop items and there never will be. MMOs have to be easy right now to attract people. Most servers are full of very young, very unskilled, very undisciplined players. It has to be easy.

At the same time, most average players can't even beat Moogle. Some still struggle with Ifrit.

This game is caught in the middle. The majority of players want to mash one button and get giant treasure chests whenever they want without fear of death. The few of us still serious about MMOs and are old farts want long drawn-out pop hierarchies like having to farm all of the chambers in Einherjar for one single chance to fight Odin maybe once a month. FFXIV is in the middle because of that, and it pushes away both sides.

2.0 needs content for both or to just pick one, if it wants to succeed.

The end.

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Originally Posted by Luhy

This game is on easy mode right now. There are no pop hierarchies like sea or sky pop items and there never will be. MMOs have to be easy right now to attract people. Most servers are full of very young, very unskilled, very undisciplined players. It has to be easy.

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Jesus repairing-for-14M Christ!

It's a game!

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Originally Posted by Luhy

This game is on easy mode right now. There are no pop hierarchies like sea or sky pop items and there never will be. MMOs have to be easy right now to attract people. Most servers are full of very young, very unskilled, very undisciplined players. It has to be easy.

At the same time, most average players can't even beat Moogle. Some still struggle with Ifrit.

This game is caught in the middle. The majority of players want to mash one button and get giant treasure chests whenever they want without fear of death. The few of us still serious about MMOs and are old farts want long drawn-out pop hierarchies like having to farm all of the chambers in Einherjar for one single chance to fight Odin maybe once a month. FFXIV is in the middle because of that, and it pushes away both sides.

2.0 needs content for both or to just pick one, if it wants to succeed.

The end.

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In summery, a jack of all trades never works. Needs to specialise.

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Originally Posted by viion

In summery, a jack of all trades never works. Needs to specialise.

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Planet Earth's evolution would like to have a word with you.


In summery, watch some discovery channel once in a while. No, please!

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Originally Posted by Ilean

Planet Earth's evolution would like to have a word with you.

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NO! I will not! *stubborn stance*

While yes there are few games that even attempt to strike a balance.

Why can't they put difficult content in FFXIV at the same time as appealing the casual hordes that throw their money at games like SWTOR and WoW?

It probably isn't going to be a pure MMORPG experience like FFXI, but that doesn't mean that those who enjoyed FFXI can't have content in FFXIV developed for them. They have said this was their plan, why refuse to believe that?

If you look at the current state and direction of the game, Yoshida gave us:

• EXP chains, and linking bonuses
• Battle system w/ combos and which will still have a "battle regimen system" in the future
• Current enmity system (meaning effective hate management consists of more than pushing a couple of buttons)
• Current MP management system (meaning you have to)

So as a fan of FFXI, I feel the game continues to improve since launch for me too.


Not every XI fan might like all of those things, but that is who those systems were designed appeal to. The hardcore "I don't want to mash a single button and get everything handed to me" crowd. So you have promises made by Yoshida of difficult in-depth content for fans of XI-style MMO gaming (in the interviews after the 2.0 announcement). You have examples of him also implementing some of those ideas and concepts reflecting that style and design philosophy in the current build.

Casual MMO players are definitely getting their way, but that doesn't necessarily mean people who like the style of MMO's represented by XI can't possibly get ours too. It doesn't have to be dichotomy between the two sides.

All of that is true. All things have been improving.

We all want FFXIV to succeed. Games have to sell to everyone for them to succeed.

People don't buy sporks. They buy forks and they buy spoons.

It's a negative viewpoint, but as time goes on, I think we've all seen people quit for Star Wars and other reasons. We're not seeing new players at all. There isn't a draw for either casual or for hardcore people to begin playing this from scratch. If this wants to sell, it has to specialize in something; anything. Giving us somewhat "difficult" content served on a silver platter (BCNMs that can be attempted infinitely with no repercussions and have no prerequisites, yet are too difficult for casual players) does not make any player happy. No demographic is drawn in or satisfied enough to stick around. That's the point.

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Originally Posted by Luhy

All of that is true. All things have been improving.

We all want FFXIV to succeed. Games have to sell to everyone for them to succeed.

People don't buy sporks. They buy forks and they buy spoons.

It's a negative viewpoint, but as time goes on, I think we've all seen people quit for Star Wars and other reasons. We're not seeing new players at all. There isn't a draw for either casual or for hardcore people to begin playing this from scratch. If this wants to sell, it has to specialize in something; anything. Giving us somewhat "difficult" content served on a silver platter (BCNMs that can be attempted infinitely with no repercussions and have no prerequisites, yet are too difficult for casual players) does not make any player happy. No demographic is drawn in or satisfied enough to stick around. That's the point.

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i buy sporks :(

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Originally Posted by viion

NO! I will not! *stubborn stance*

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Not even for your favorite ice cream?

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Originally Posted by AarosLunos

Look at TOR for example. IGN gave that game a glowing review, yet the launch looks like its MORE dismal than what XIV's was.

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Uhh, no... I've played FFXIV right from the beginning and the launch of this game compared to TOR is by far one of the worst out there. TOR's launch was a success so much so that there was a congestion of online ordered downloads from EA (they had to verify each transaction). To be fair, TOR is still very buggy, but it is by no means on par with the failure of FFXIV's launch.

The fact of the matter is, reviews are what brings in the sales for all games. If every game had a downloadable demo, we won't need to read any reviews because we could just try it out for ourselves. But not every game has that, so believe it or not, we read reviews (or opinions of other people) to judge whether or not that game is worth to buy. We dont have the money to purchase every game we see, and ignore all reviews just because we want to try it out.

Some of you people are just incredible... lmao

I personally simply do not trust professional reviewers, though, and prefer to count on my friends's reviews. They're a diverse enough bunch that we get information about al sorts of games.

Not everyone can be as blessed as I am, though.

(that said, yes, i'd say that XIV is... Pretty low there in comparison to other MMOs, then again it's WiP state is unique as well. I seriously do not hold any grudge against anyone who leaves the game to join only on 2.0 at all, or those who got so traumatized they simply won't)

Even with Demos people still look towards reviews even though they're the most biased (especially the ones that are paid to give "glowing reviews"..this can't be denied because it's a common business practice lol.)

TOR has it's own set of problems and BW is doing quite a few things they shouldn't be doing with it post launch (i.e downgrading it's quality and doing the typical content rehash they're known for.)

Reading reviews from others to make your personal purchase decision is exactly why gaming is in stagnation right now -- You'd believe every shooter but CoD and MW isn't worth playing if you go on opinions of people who like it, much like you'd avoid interesting and unique games simply because it's not CoD or MW.

It's why there's no "new" games coming out, because a lot of people want the same thing over and over (proven) which is why even new games that are good still do poorly in comparison to the same ole ole. MMO wise, this is why Rift thrived, it's the same thing as WoW with an open world raid -- SWTOR only succeeded because it's based around Star Wars, if it was based around the Belgariad series, I bet it wouldn't have done as well, even with fully voiced offline..err story progression because unless you're very much into reading, it's very unlikely it's a common place like Star Wars is.

IGN needs to be hit with a rolled up newspaper. This teaches them that what they've done is wrong, and they've been a bad reviewer~ bad~

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Originally Posted by Benediction

If every game had a downloadable demo, we won't need to read any reviews because we could just try it out for ourselves. But not every game has that, so believe it or not, we read reviews (or opinions of other people) to judge whether or not that game is worth to buy. We dont have the money to purchase every game we see, and ignore all reviews just because we want to try it out.

Some of you people are just incredible... lmao

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Reading reviews is faster as well. Even if there is a demo available, nowadays a demo is rarely under 1GB, we're often talking about a couple of GB, even for a demo. Owning a fast internet line doesn't do anything if the server providing the demo isn't fast (which is also often the case).

That's why people keep reading reviews too, they act as a first filter, and THEN if you are interested, you may eventually try the demo (if available).

I think some are greatly exaggarating when it comes to how "biased" or "bad" IGN is. Look at this line in the article: "It has improved greatly since those days and the plan laid out by the development team for version 2.0 shows promise." That seems about right to me. And as much as I like FFXIV, it lacks the real polish of any FF between 4 and 13 really, so I agree that it is the "worst" so far, especially at launch.

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Originally Posted by MysteriousRonin

I don't understand how FFXI isn't on their greatest list. FFXI was amazing and is still the only MMO to tell an amazing story, and in such a great way. Not even TOR was able to beat FFXI's storytelling.

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I'm a big fan of XI, but Shakespeare it was not, nor is it the only MMO notable for story! XI's story was pretty good, but the writing was pretty shoddy, suffering from long, rambling monologues, undying cutscenes and uneven pacing, with the PC often just wedged in as an awkward spectator. Don't get me wrong, not denying it was good, but there have been several MMOs with some pretty amazing stories, including some that did them better.

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Originally Posted by ShinChuck

I'm a big fan of XI, but Shakespeare it was not, nor is it the only MMO notable for story! XI's story was pretty good, but the writing was pretty shoddy, suffering from long, rambling monologues, undying cutscenes and uneven pacing, with the PC often just wedged in as an awkward spectator. Don't get me wrong, not denying it was good, but there have been several MMOs with some pretty amazing stories, including some that did them better.

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Are you bound by some NDA? I'm curious which MMO's you thought had better story.

Or are you saving that for your extensive blog with 0 comments, followers, or members. Wouldn't want to deprive all your fans of the scoop.

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Originally Posted by ShinChuck

I'm a big fan of XI, but Shakespeare it was not, nor is it the only MMO notable for story! XI's story was pretty good, but the writing was pretty shoddy, suffering from long, rambling monologues, undying cutscenes and uneven pacing, with the PC often just wedged in as an awkward spectator. Don't get me wrong, not denying it was good, but there have been several MMOs with some pretty amazing stories, including some that did them better.

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/Spits drink onto screen

They have obviously never played ff mystic quest. Kill the boss by casting life on him 2 or 3 times, you win! The game played itself.

2nd worse behind ffx... Tidus.. *shudders*

Let them bash ffxiv all they want.

Currently this is the worst FF ever imo, maybe not others, but that doesn't mean we always will be. The thing is right now SE hasn't marketed, would you market this? No should be your answer or get new taste! But the game is not bad, its just not good enough to market, SE HATES MARKETING, idk why, but in the U.S. and probably most of the western world you will need to shove commercials somewhere to get us to even know you're crap exists, the ads on websites were nice, but what if I wasn't a lazy asshole with my computer right next to my couch (i know sad but my bf and I can see each others screens this way), and I wasn't able to browse the internet while watching tv (i know sad also, but wait tv sucks so I wouldn't mind), then I'd need a tv ad.

tldr: If FFXIV doesn't market the game after 2.0 releases, people will still only have opinion sources for advertising. (ign, and such) The key to success is to market this game more after 2.0 releases, people won't care what critics say if the commercial is badass enough, its true. That's why COD didn't even show any game footage, we knew the game would be the same, so they put celebrities in their commercial and bam, tricks the masses into buying the game again. For SE just a regular commercial would do.

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Originally Posted by Destain

They have obviously never played ff mystic quest. Kill the boss by casting life on him 2 or 3 times, you win! The game played itself.

2nd worse behind ffx... Tidus.. *shudders*

Let them bash ffxiv all they want.

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FFIX:

"Rawr I'm a STROPER, FEAR MY TENTACLE, WOMEN."

"Oh yeah? FEAR MY SOFT, TENTACLE MONSTER!"

Fast-Foward

"I have seen the end of my 1,000 year life span and it is not today -- It is futile for you to resist."

"Oh yeah? Fear my PHOENIX DOWN/LIFE, Undead Boss!"

I love FFIX btw.

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Originally Posted by Humbert

I think some are greatly exaggarating when it comes to how "biased" or "bad" IGN is. Look at this line in the article: "It has improved greatly since those days and the plan laid out by the development team for version 2.0 shows promise." That seems about right to me. And as much as I like FFXIV, it lacks the real polish of any FF between 4 and 13 really, so I agree that it is the "worst" so far, especially at launch.

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They say that, but then still decide "Oh well f*** it, we'll put it on this list as the worst FF ever and not withhold additional judgement until re-release" It is an outright lack of any journalistic integrity.

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Originally Posted by AarosLunos

They say that, but then still decide "Oh well f*** it, we'll put it on this list as the worst FF ever and not withhold additional judgement until re-release" It is an outright lack of any journalistic integrity.

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lol so they need to wait until SE says it's ready?

best 2 out of 3!
best 3 out of 5!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3gFIDiBq0E

Yes I absolutely agree with IGN, FFXIV is in fact the worst Final Fantasy ever released for many reasons. People can call IGN out on this if they like, but I believe most people in here would agree with them.

In Final Fantasy's history, this is the first game to go truly unpolished and released in such a horrible state which is very strange for a series that strives on excellence and being ahead of it's time. You can say FFXIII was the worst (which I thought it was great, haters :P), but it was still a polished game and still a fine contributor to the series. It is pretty much a fact that on the technical side, FFXIV is the worst title in the series.

However, people are still quick to judge IGN's thoughts. They even say in there that the game has gone a long way in improvements in it's initial release, and realize it is an MMO. They also say they understand FFXIV's situation and will look at it again in 2.0's release.

After a year and a few months, I still find it funny the community here gets in an uproar whenever external sources make criticisms (and may I remind you, most of the time fair criticisms) of the game. I find it funny because most of you make the same exact claims in these forums, and when they decide to speak up about it, you decide it is simply "hating" on the game.

While up to 1.20 has made major improvements, this game is still far from a polished state. Is it playable? Yes. Is it in the state it should be? No where near, and don't expect it till 2.0. While I think external sources should hold back till 2.0 and acknowledge it is in a "Semi-Working title" phase, what they say is "legit".