As a minority, is it out of the question to hope for representation?

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Post your answer to the OP and see if it meets their concerns then - if you are so certain. I suspect though that you and I both know that the truth is that it does nothing of the sort.

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1: OP is welcome to view my posts. As is everyone on the forums. This isn't an evidentiary hearing where things must be submitted formally or anything.
2: Yeah... likewise, I'm not on trial, here. If someone is not satisfied after reading what I posted... OK? Good for them. I honestly wouldn't expect them to be considering the topic is wanting 'More representation' and I was simply countering what was essentially a 'No representation' claim.
3: Why so snarky? I simply mentioned a prominent male Miqo'te and (lightheartedly at first) threw out that his plotline is referenced as part of the main story. You've been awfully aggressive the entire time since, which is, admittedly, making me more aggressive as well.

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Originally Posted by Dark-Saviour

1: OP is welcome to view my posts. As is everyone on the forums. This isn't an evidentiary hearing where things must be submitted formally or anything.
2: Yeah... likewise, I'm not on trial, here. If someone is not satisfied after reading what I posted... OK? Good for them. I honestly wouldn't expect them to be considering the topic is wanting 'More representation' and I was simply countering what was essentially a 'No representation' claim.
3: Why so snarky? I simply mentioned a prominent male Miqo'te and (lightheartedly at first) threw out that his plotline is referenced as part of the main story. You've been awfully aggressive the entire time since, which is, admittedly, making me more aggressive as well.

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You asserted that a mention of a character by a side character in optional content is equivalent to their appearance, I said it's not. You've been snarky about it from the get go, and I have responded in kind.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

You asserted that a mention of a character by a side character in optional content is equivalent to their appearance, I said it's not. You've been snarky about it from the get go, and I have responded in kind.

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You've misread.
The reference is not equivalent to an appearance.
I hold the story you dismiss as 'side-content' as being as relevant as the MSQ.
I (again, jokingly at first) used the reference to tie that story to the MSQ (since you've arbitrarily decided that's the deciding factor for character relevance).

The line itself doesn't make him relevant. The whole sodding quest-line does. Which may not be good enough for you, but whatever.

I accidentally opened Tumblr didn't I?

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Originally Posted by Reinha

http://cdn3.dualshockers.com/wp-cont...-constrain.jpg.

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The real crime is we can't have an ass like that. :c #Freethebooty.

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Originally Posted by Ameela

Roes are just bulky, there isn't anything about them that stands out aside from that and it's a trait shared by many races in a lot of MMOs.

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Objectively speaking Femroes look no different from the Amazons, big bulky women with permanent hate scowls. They look more like Diablo's Barbarians, or Zarya, as an example. And trust me, while I like Zarya, FemRoes do not look any different from buff women of any stripe across most any media. They don't look FF at all to me.

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Originally Posted by GenericMagus

There is nothing wrong with having variety in the posters if it means it gets to show off the races in game, not just focusing on the popular, more waifu races. Are most of the characters in game cat or lizard? Yes.

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FemAu Ra are less represented then Lalafel, Miqo, Eleven, or Hyur. Does it matter? Not really, even if there's an Au Ra in art, it's still not my Au Ra.

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Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl

I want to point out this artwork that SE did to promote swimming,
Female lalafell
Female Au ra
Female Miqo'te
Female Hyur
Female Elezen

No FemRoe

http://press.na.square-enix.com/fn/F...718%5F03%2Epng

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I need to point out that there is a femroe in this image, but i can see why people would dismiss her as not being there since, besides lalas she is the smallest and furthest character in the image. You'll also notice that the only male lalas are shoved in the back with here. Hmmm... I wonder? And there is no male Hyur either.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

I need to point out that there is a femroe in this image, but i can see why people would dismiss her as not being there since, besides lalas she is the smallest and furthest character in the image. You'll also notice that the only male lalas are shoved in the back with here. Hmmm... I wonder? And there is no male Hyur either.

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Considering that she has 0 features it's kinda hard to tell what exactly she is.

I will say, the artist of this piece is most definitely a boob guy (gal).

http://press.na.square-enix.com/fn/F...718%5F03%2Epng

They even tried to give the lala up front a chest. Bless their little heart.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

I will say, the artist of this piece is most definitely a boob guy (gal).

http://press.na.square-enix.com/fn/F...718%5F03%2Epng

They even tried to give the lala up front a chest. Bless their little heart.

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The more I look at it the weirder some of the proportions get :0

Come on, it's not that bad! You got Moenbryda-- Oh, right...

Seriously though, consider the fact that hardly anybody plays a female Roegadyn. If representation is so important to you, pick a more popular race.

There is nothing wrong with having variety in the posters if it means it gets to show off the races in game, not just focusing on the popular, more waifu races. Are most of the characters in game cat or lizard? Yes.

But having artwork that shows off the more rare races can help show that such choices are possible.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

I will say, the artist of this piece is most definitely a boob guy (gal).

http://press.na.square-enix.com/fn/F...718%5F03%2Epng

They even tried to give the lala up front a chest. Bless their little heart.

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For the lala its just the collar bone.

Also, 3 catgirls drawn in the front. They are the only race with none of the characters drawn in the back. Unlike the cat guy....

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

If it wasn't for roegadyn I wouldn't even be in ffxiv.
Yoshida and his team need to think about things like this. We might not be the most famous but we're a big part of the environment.


The few have as much presence and character as the many.

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It was a true and fun pleasure for being part of your Susano EX farm runs! Roegadyn You and your friends were pretty fun people to farm Susano.
As for us Fem Roes/Roegadames, we do make a presence when we go to any duty. The stops, the starings and them curiosity from other players always happens. Specially when we're healing! <3

A mega like for your post. :)

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Originally Posted by Dameron

Come on, it's not that bad! You got Moenbryda-- Oh, right...

Seriously though, consider the fact that hardly anybody plays a female Roegadyn. If representation is so important to you, pick a more popular race.

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For me its not "representation" thats important, I'd simply like to see more female Roegadyn. Because... well, I guess I like seeing them, hence why I'm playing one?

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

For the lala its just the collar bone.

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Wasn't talking about the collarbone. Definitely gained some definition on the side. BOOBS FOR ALL.

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Originally Posted by Medicine

Considering that she has 0 features it's kinda hard to tell what exactly she is.

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It's the lack of features that can help you identifimy her. She has nothing indicating she is an Au ra, a Miqo'te, or an Elezen. She is obviously not a Lalafell, so that leaves two options Hyur or Roegadyn. Now she appears rather large compared to the lalas around her; and even the tallest Midlander Hyur female isnt that large by comparison. That leave only a Female Roegadyn or a Female Highlander (modelwise). Nowit could be either, but by proxy to the male Roegadyn, and the fact tha there is a female hyur already, regardless of midlander or highlander, it is safe to presume she is a female Roegadyn. I admittedly, she could be a highlander (modelwise) bit the adds are just as slim.

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Originally Posted by Dark-Saviour

You've misread.
The reference is not equivalent to an appearance.
I hold the story you dismiss as 'side-content' as being as relevant as the MSQ.
I (again, jokingly at first) used the reference to tie that story to the MSQ (since you've arbitrarily decided that's the deciding factor for character relevance).

The line itself doesn't make him relevant. The whole sodding quest-line does. Which may not be good enough for you, but whatever.

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No, it it isn't and that whole 'sodding quest line' isn't part of the main story. I note that at no point have you addressed the challenge I made.

This thread is nearly as entertaining as all the "healer must dps!!!!!!1!!!!!11!" Threads on these forums. Good for a chuckle at least.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Wasn't talking about the collarbone. Definitely gained some definition on the side. BOOBS FOR ALL.

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I guess I'll have to agree to disagree. I just dont see it >_< just looks like a Lalafell to me

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Originally Posted by Eloah

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In the end no one cares what it could be because it's just a faceless, detailless, blob thats all the way in the back of the pic where it's hard to see. Even the moogle and cactuar got attention.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

No, it it isn't and that whole 'sodding quest line' isn't part of the main story. I note that at no point have you addressed the challenge I made.

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Repeating myself now...
I'm not on trial, here. If someone is not satisfied after reading what I posted... OK? Good for them. I honestly wouldn't expect them to be considering the topic is wanting 'More representation' and I was simply countering what was essentially a 'No representation' claim.

Again, I don't care about your challenge. Neither the OP nor you have any authority on this, and I have zero obligation to placate you nor will I further concern myself with your agenda.
If you want to continue to strut about and act self important, so be it. I can't stop you.
This has been an unpleasant 'discussion', and I hope to avoid associating with you in the future.

Have a great evening! :-)

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

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Ultimately you are right, I was just pointing it out.

I would gladly trade you my races place as a swimsuit model/playboy bunny girl in a heartbeat if it meant I could appear more often as a PLD in other artworks. I've always liked the image of being a cool, cute, and graceful female knight, and am sick and tired of being nothing more then a show girl in a skimp outfit. Yet, sadly, on the few cases SE does make a PLD artwork it's always some middle aged male character, save twice long ago in early 2.0 when they did make one of a miqo'te female and one of a midlander female. But since then there hasn't been any more cute female PLD artworks made.

Now I'm not saying I should get what I want before you Roe's get what you want. I'm mostly just pointing out that not all cat people are happy with the way things are now and have things we want as well that we're not getting (or I, at least, can't speak for others), and as such understand very much how you feel in this matter. In that regards, it would be great if we could support each other in getting what we want.

So with that: I support Roe's getting more presence in event artwork.

You had Moenbryda.

I would be honored to have a character as awesome as her in my race.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

You had Moenbryda.

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Had. For like, a patch and a half.

Admittedly, amongst the main characters there is some serious race imbalance. Two highlander girls (who look like midlanders, although I understand why), one midlander dude, two female lalas, one male lala, one female miqo, no male miqos, one elezen dude, no elezen ladies, (two elezen teens), no au ra of any kind.

And the male lala and one of the highlanders are dead, or as good as in Minfilia's case. Yugiri goes some way to address the balance for au ra, but if we're counting minor characters we have lots more hyur to consider in the domans. And lhaminn I suppose. (I want hoary and coultenet to have a bigger part, damn it)

And part of the issue isn't an unbalanced rep, since hyur are notably more common in eorzea than any other race according to the lore census, so I guess that makes sense. It's that their go-to for sexy is miqo/midlander girl, and their go-to for "not sexy" is a roe dude or a lala of some gender. The valentione's stuff is an exception by nature of its lore, but I want sexy roes and non-sexy ladies! (Or non-sexualised, anyway)

And yes, the calender is amazing for this. Especially Reyner who appears to have a huge crush on literally everyone except R'ashaht. Bless.

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Originally Posted by Renee

It was a true and fun pleasure for being part of your Susano EX farm runs! Roegadyn You and your friends were pretty fun people to farm Susano.
As for us Fem Roes/Roegadames, we do make a presence when we go to any duty. The stops, the starings and them curiosity from other players always happens. Specially when we're healing! <3

A mega like for your post. :)

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Thank you for the mega like and the amazing healing at Susano ex, roegadyns are the best mages and tanks and you were amazing there :D
The thing people don't understand is that one bright light can outshine 300 dim lights.

Not trying to say we're better than miqo'te but really we shine bright wherever we are and for that alone Yoshida and his team need to realize how important we are for the presentation of eorzea (art, story, etc)
I hope they wake up already, many of us are awake, I hope they and other people can wake up already.

Why does it feel like some people just seek satsifaction for their very own personal fetish...
I mean, are we talking about "hey lets include more races" or are we actually going the "i want more cute catboys instead of boring catgirls".

Because reading through this topic makes me think its the second one...

We. Need. More. ROES!

I can't say this enough. Roegadyn are the best race in the game and also the most underrepresented!

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Originally Posted by Nerfworthy

We. Need. More. ROES!

I can't say this enough. Roegadyn are the best race in the game and also the most underrepresented!

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Preach!! :o

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Originally Posted by Faliandra

why do some people care so much about whether some dumb artwork for an event contains their race or not?
You're here to play the game,arent you? Log into the game and you can stare at your femroe all day.

Also, from what I know, femroes and catboys didnt even exist in 1.0 and were solely added because part of the player base asked for them.


Also: dont try the "but youre a miqote and miqote are presented everywhere" card on me. I dont give a flying f*** about it. Tbh,i find most FFXIV artwork to be mediocre at best compared to some other games.

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A lot of us are tried of every event poster being a cat/lizard in a sexy pose. Just look at the current one you got a cat butt front in center.

I've actually been seeing a lot more FemRoes on Ultros since Stormblood. >.>
It used to be whenever i encountered one in the wild, there's be so much broing out, friend requests sent.
Now they don't even respond to /brofist half the time. :(

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Originally Posted by Eadyn

I've actually been seeing a lot more FemRoes on Ultros since Stormblood. >.>
It used to be whenever i encountered one in the wild, there's be so much broing out, friend requests sent.
Now they don't even respond to /brofist half the time. :(

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That's interesting. Pretty sure I'm the only one alive on Jenova, LOL. Especially when I run around in my fishing bathing suit glamour, everybody stares.

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Originally Posted by Eadyn

I've actually been seeing a lot more FemRoes on Ultros since Stormblood. >.>
It used to be whenever i encountered one in the wild, there's be so much broing out, friend requests sent.
Now they don't even respond to /brofist half the time. :(

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Originally Posted by Nerfworthy

That's interesting. Pretty sure I'm the only one alive on Jenova, LOL. Especially when I run around in my fishing bathing suit glamour, everybody stares.

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You're always welcome in Leviathan, there's a severe lack of friendly Roes here. XD

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Originally Posted by spf1200

A lot of us are tried of every event poster being a cat/lizard in a sexy pose. Just look at the current one you got a cat butt front in center.

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It looks like no cat butt that I have ever seen, and I have owned dozens of cats in my lifetime, so I think I would know if that was a cat butt.

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Originally Posted by Mirateski

(I want hoary and coultenet to have a bigger part, damn it)

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This.

/10char

I agree, fem roes could use some representation. Maybe for this winter event, instead of the usual Miqo'te we could have a fem roe and male roe? Make them look like Santa Claus and Mrs. Claus?

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

Where's the Roe?

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Flexing trying to block our view of the sexy race's females.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

I agree, fem roes could use some representation. Maybe for this winter event, instead of the usual Miqo'te we could have a fem roe and male roe? Make them look like Santa Claus and Mrs. Claus?

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Something FFXI definitely took advantage of.
https://www.bg-wiki.com/images/9/96/...-12-2008_0.jpghttps://www.bg-wiki.com/images/4/4a/...-11-2009_0.jpg

How about instead of Femroes, who are typically less than attractive...

We get art of Viera? Viera are more than good.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

How about instead of Femroes, who are typically less than attractive...

We get art of Viera? Viera are more than good.

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I would rather have all the art be miqo'te til the heat death of the universe than have the viera involved in any way.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

How about instead of Femroes, who are typically less than attractive...

We get art of Viera?

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http://i.imgur.com/WQaMu0o.gif

They aren't even in the game.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

who are typically less than attractive....

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You and me aren't looking at the same femroes, then. It's almost like everything is subjective.