Extreme Undercutting - Should it be a violation?

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Originally Posted by Niraves

I think its a free market and if Random Player # 4907 wants to sell the same fish as you for 1/10th the price, he has every right to do so. Is it stupid? Yep. Is it annoying? Yep. Is there anything likely to be done about it? Nope!

And no, I don't think extreme undercutting should get someone banned. What you consider 'extreme' might not be a big deal to them, and banning someone for posting an auction is just.. well its as dumb as the undercutting itself.

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Yeah, extreme undercutting is facepalm-worthy, but not ban-worthy.

It's annoying as hell, too, and just as detrimental to those who do it, but as the old adage goes, "You can't heal stupid."...

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

the ones I don't get are the ones who undercut NPC sell price.. just... sell it to the NPC's? it must be easier than listing it?

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The game should just flush that stuff out automatically, as soon as it's put up for sale.

Seriously, no one is going to buy your animal skins, that you are selling for 1 gil. I see very little point in it taking up a listing slot. May as well save the seller some wait time and have the server make the sale.

Nope. People can learn to play the market or not. I don't need an external arbitrator deciding what a "reasonable" price is for me to sell my gigantoad hides at.

The market will right itself. Every time.

Could you imagine what the market boards would be like if there wasn't undercutting *shudder* Oh gawd.

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Originally Posted by Ransom

It's not all that big of a deal, though I do feel that the FF 11 style AH was better, since the way it worked tended to keep prices more stable. That said, here's my question: Why do so many people put things up on MB for prices LESS than vendors would have paid them?

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I miss this too. What's better than getting a pair of dusk gloves for 1k because someone didn't want to pay the taxes to put em up for 3 mil?

My advise with the market system is dont ever ever play the undercutting game. What i do is chek stack counts and find what stack counts sell for the most and adjust accordinalty. Your stuff will sell eventually so dont ever ever play the under-cutting game. Let the rest of those moron lose 1000,s of gill while your stuff sells for a good profit.

Or you can buy the item and resell it for the the higher prices.
Makes this whole thread kinda pointless right?

I love these threads. Just bottom out the price. Buy the impatient sellers item. Re-list everything back to the real market value. Profit. They get pissed off and don't come back. Better yet they rage cut and you buy an item at 90% off and flip it for even bigger profits. Then you come to the forum and read these threads with the biggest troll face smile ever.

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Originally Posted by K3KW4RCHILD

I love these threads. Just bottom out the price. Buy the impatient sellers item. Re-list everything back to the real market value. Profit. They get pissed off and don't come back. Better yet they rage cut and you buy an item at 90% off and flip it for even bigger profits. Then you come to the forum and read these threads with the biggest troll face smile ever.

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Actually, it was because someone told me I'd been griefing by undercutting and thus me reporting myself for it, and the GM's response, that this thread exists. But ya know, maybe the GMs should have permanently banned my entire SE account for it, as well as contacting every other game dev in the world to make sure I was permanently banned from their game without appeal as well. As well as having me banned from Xbox Live, PSN, Nintendo Network, etc, all without appeal. All for this? Would this be good enough for you?

EDIT: And it is at this point I ask the mods to close the entire thread.

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Originally Posted by Niraves

I think its a free market and if Random Player # 4907 wants to sell the same fish as you for 1/10th the price, he has every right to doso. Is it stupid? Yep. Is it annoying? Yep. Is there anything likely to be done about it? Nope!

And no, I don't think extreme undercutting should get someone banned. What you consider 'extreme' might not be a big deal to them, and banning someone for posting an auction is just.. well its as dumb as the undercutting itself.

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Pretty much this. I will undercut war too a point, and that point is "Is this price worth my time?" Once that is no, I put up for a price where it is worth me dropping everything to replace it, and keep an eye on it if i want to change it to my equilibrium price in the future. (This means the undervalued ones sold and people are at price war in the range I like so I will join in) On my server there is a few named people that will undercut spam no matter what, I really hate how there is some people that find a way to play 24/7 and undercut spam but whatever, this point gil is literally useless atm so I am picky over selling things. I do not care if I still got 3.4 -250 stuff still listed, if they want it for a glam or whatever they pay my minimum threshold, if not they can wait, that simple. I do not understand how and what goes though people's minds selling a HQ product like the 250s back in the day for lower then the material cost. What really did not shock me though is when the people stop doing it, people bought my stuff again. (Meaning they didn't bother to replace and undercut war again)

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Originally Posted by NewSinz

Could you imagine what the market boards would be like if there wasn't undercutting *shudder* Oh gawd.

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I'd imagine nothing would sell, more people would be willing to make stuff themselves, and sellers (at least those with enough sense) would lower their prices to the point that others would be willing to pay.

This is not a thing.

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Originally Posted by DarkDedede

I'd imagine nothing would sell, more people would be willing to make stuff themselves, and sellers (at least those with enough sense) would lower their prices to the point that others would be willing to pay.

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It would probably actually lower the supply and raise prices, especially as people grow increasingly frustrated with the seller-side of things and stop participating. Undercutting is essentially the vehicle through which competition lowers prices, so if you take that away, don't expect prices to go down.

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Originally Posted by NewSinz

Could you imagine what the market boards would be like if there wasn't undercutting *shudder* Oh gawd.

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The game economy would be better off if there was something to limit undercut spamming, like in WoW how you have an upfront tax cost that you lose (or part of it depending on item/listed amount when the time listing expires.) It would help make a gil sink and help remove the excess gil. So if you take something down before time is up, you be taxed an amount, this would stop the spam undercutting every 2 minutes that goes on.

As said before though I do not care about gil anymore because there is nothing to do with it, so if something is not worth my time I just do not do it/ care. I will say this though, the game economics is set up very poorly (note the fact I am calling gil useless should be a clue) It is from too much hand me gear, making crafting stuff hardly needed, along with lack of gil sinks.

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Originally Posted by Princess_Momoka

The game economy would be better off if there was something to limit undercut spamming, like in WoW how you have an upfront tax cost that you lose (or part of it depending on item/listed amount) It would help make a gil sink and help remove the excess gil. So if you take something down before time is up, you be taxed an amount, this would stop the spam undercutting every 2 minutes that goes on.

As said before though I do not care about gil anymore because there is nothing to do with it, so if something is not worth my time I just do not do it/ care. I will say this though, the game economics is set up very poorly (note the fact I am calling gil useless should be a clue) It is from too much hand me gear, making crafting stuff hardly needed, along with lack of gil sinks.

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The AH deposit in WoW serves virtually no purpose except as a minor way of removing gold from the economy. It's negligible in basically all cases and anything I'd care enough to worry about undercutting someone on is something where I'll ignore the deposit entirely because it simply can't ever add up to enough to make it not worth it to cancel and repost in order to be the lowest buyout. It's not an actual deterrent to undercutting, except in low margin and relatively worthless markets.

OK, but... instead of reporting him, why didn't you buy all his items and relist for profit?

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Originally Posted by AlexionSkylark

OK, but... instead of reporting him, why didn't you buy all his items and relist for profit?

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As mentioned in the OP, I was the person I reported. Because someone had mentioned doing it is griefing.

Undercutting is the best way to sell items. I generally undercut by 10-100 gil depending on the item. Undercutting by 90% is a little extreme in my opinion, but to each their own, once their item sells, the price will go back up as long as all other items are kept at the same price range.

You seem to have some serious psychological problems. Not even being funny.
Get help.
P.s.: anyone crying about undercutting needs to get a lofe. Just wow.

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Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

As mentioned in the OP, I was the person I reported. Because someone had mentioned doing it is griefing.

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It's not. But I think you gathered that from the responses.

See, I kinda miss how ffxi 's AH was set up. That was an absolutely wonderful AH And I have no idea why they left it.

Why should it be a violation? Competitive pricing benefits consumers, as well as vendors who wants to sell their stuff out fast.
I don't understand you people who sees anything which you do not like as "violation" "against policy" and what not.

Grow up man. Just because you aren't happy with something, doesn't mean it's a violation.

I undercut by one gil every damn time and I'll keep doing it. Happens to me plenty so I do it in return.

Whenever I see threads like this I think of Runescape and their Grand Exchange. Basically a market place where you can put up an item for sale and it encourages prices to be within, I think it was within 5%-10% higher or below the average sale price for the previous day. While I really dont like systems like that, functionally it works ok without locking a price but sets a standard price based on previous sales. So go play Runescape if you dont want a bunch of undercutting.

Is this a real thread?

I have had a few beers today.. So not sure if I am hallucinating...

me before i clicked this thread: lol

me after i clicked this thread: LMAO

If someone undercuts you by a lot and it's well below the value of the item in question, here's a tip: purchase that item and sell it for a profit.

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Originally Posted by Altena

Is this a real thread?

I have had a few beers today.. So not sure if I am hallucinating...

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Did you happen to notice he REPORTED HIMSELF?
I think that should be the staple of this topic. I laughed so dang hard man. XDDDD

Is it extreme undercutting or are the other prices extremely inflated? Just because some players have decided that xxx is worth say 500000 does not mean that it is actually worth that - it probably only costs 2000 in materials. Yes you may need to level crafting jobs and gathering jobs to be able to make said item. Yes you may need a drop from a dungeon. But no it does not mean that you have the right to charge grossly inflated prices simply because that has been paid before.

However I would say that a player has the right to ask whatever they want from the market board for their items. Not all players are out there to charge top rate - some just want to offload items fast and are quite happy making a small amount regularly instead of a huge amount now and then.

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I don't understand... It's almost like this is a sarcastic topic.

It shouldn't get you banned, no. Everyone undercuts.... even you :D

You are allowed to set whatever price you want for an item. Market manipulation also happens in the real world too. Don't like it then sell it on the street manually. I know that sounds like me being a moron but you can do whatever you want in the AH. (Although deliberate undercutting with intention to crash the market is a stupid thing to do). Don't know a nicer way to put it other than if you don't like it don't use it.

why don't you just buy items then sell them at a higher price. problem fixed. When I sell items look at the history and sell them around price that most of them sold at.

Some people on my server THINK they run the MB by undercutting by half of whatever they put up to drop it right to the ground. They trying to give you an hint that "if you undercut me I'll undercut you under". The only people they are fooling is themselves cause at the end of the day they are the ones running away from competition by throwing the towel.

I will always undercut by 10gil or maybe by 100gil. People that get annoy by undercutting by short amounts must be living under a rock or haven't been out shopping in real life.....

If somebody undercuts you by so much theyre selling something they could be making a good profit off of for a pittance, think like a Ferengi Businessperson and buy it up then sell it for the normal price!

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

If somebody undercuts you by so much theyre selling something they could be making a good profit off of for a pittance, think like a Ferengi Businessperson and buy it up then sell it for the normal price!

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i would also add : Treat people in your debt like family... exploit them.

No this is common in real world as videogames. Making a profit for selling en mass for cheaper while semi or fully clearing competitors is common and healthy competition.

Hi my name is janhyua and I am a market board player as well and I have been sitting at the market most of the time to undercut people it's part of my game play lol if you want to sell something you need to be competitive it's like real life

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Originally Posted by KittyPr

i would also add : Treat people in your debt like family... exploit them.

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The 111th rule of Acquisition.

OP is like asking for hello kitty board or something