Patches take too long to come out. Please Hire more staff

I don't like when people try to tell me my job is easy when they have never worked in the field, I also don't like when people say throwing more people at something will make it go faster which is not the case all the time. I don't tell people how to do their job and people should not tell me how to do mine.

You guys should be glad they put all the love into these patches to get rid as many bugs as they can or it will be like playing an Bethesda game with people walking around with upside down bodies, dragons flying in backwards etc.

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Originally Posted by Renshi

That means that money > patience, hence you can wait for 2.0 without spending anything or pay starting January the 6th and have fun with the game while waiting.

Your excuse of being impatient gets outta the window =)

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Its the players making excuses and giving the game a pity party because its not 2.0 yet (server issues, missing features ect.) You cant tell someone to pay for a game, then make up excuses that things cant happen because something is bad until X date. That just telling people you dont care enough to fix it...so why would anyone play your game?

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Originally Posted by Zanfire

Its the players making excuses and giving the game a pity party because its not 2.0 yet (server issues, missing features ect.) You cant tell someone to pay for a game, then make up excuses that things cant happen because something is bad until X date. That just telling people you dont care enough to fix it...so why would anyone play your game?

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but alot of dont feel its bad
we are enjoying the game as is

and if your not, then yes, you should definately wait to pay for it, i dont care what the product is, if you are not enjoying it, why are you doing it, that just seems like self inflicted torture, its not like anyones holding a gun to your head after all


there are alot of people enjoying the game, they should pay for it
those who dont enjoy it, should wait until the game is at a point when they will

and lets face facts, not everyone will enjoy every game out there, it is imposible to please everyone, and you may be one of those in this case, and there is again, nothing wrong with that at all


and to take it up a level, yes, 2.0 will be a better game

but guess what, 2.1 will be better then 2.0, and 2.2 will be better then 2.1 and so on

its a never ending cycle so people shouldnt look to a specific patch to be the end all ever

/sarcasm on
Please hire more staff, but I won't pay you so that you can hire said staff.


...you guys are funny.

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Originally Posted by Zanfire

Its the players making excuses and giving the game a pity party because its not 2.0 yet (server issues, missing features ect.) You cant tell someone to pay for a game, then make up excuses that things cant happen because something is bad until X date. That just telling people you dont care enough to fix it...so why would anyone play your game?

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Funny story --

Around the office sometimes people say they can't do something till (other department) finishes their assets as everyone work together to get things done, i.e you need your texture artist to be on their game or your world will look like a mess of endless shading.

Does that mean your world designer doesn't care? Or do it simply mean something can't be done until a requirement is met?

It's understandable people have become extremely cynical, but when something very specific can't be done until it's possible to do so..it's not an excuse. If you don't want to pay don't pay..no one is forcing you to. The choice is yours and yours alone.

off topic: (This is why I wish we had PMs)

Jennestia just wanna say I was on the fence about liking you as a poster, but as of late...I'm finding you really have a ton of good sense about you! Keep it up! :P That is all~ (I dont feel like we (as a people) compliment each other enough, so I wanted to make it a point to do so)

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off topic: (This is why I wish we had PMs)

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Offtopic as well:

The closest thing you can do as a PM is to jump on their character profile page and look for a blog post and reply there - blog pages tend to get fewer views. I strongly disagree with your opinion of him, but whatever, it's your funeral.

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Originally Posted by Zanfire

Its the players making excuses and giving the game a pity party because its not 2.0 yet (server issues, missing features ect.) You cant tell someone to pay for a game, then make up excuses that things cant happen because something is bad until X date. That just telling people you dont care enough to fix it...so why would anyone play your game?

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The timeline has been set, the developers will have to stick with it and communicate us for any issue or changes of it. For now, we just want to have fun in the game, and speaking of myself, I'm having lots of it. Why would you even pay for a game if it's not fun?
Why do we say "Wait for 2.0"? Because that's when the game will be Complete, when you'll be able to experience the Full-Power Final Fantasy XIV. We like this game as it is, and we're interested of the story about the Seventh Umbral Era, and also the game development, giving feedback when needed. That's why we want to pay for the game as it is now.
What's the point of paying for a game experience you don't like?

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

but alot of dont feel its bad
we are enjoying the game as is

and if your not, then yes, you should definately wait to pay for it, i dont care what the product is, if you are not enjoying it, why are you doing it, that just seems like self inflicted torture, its not like anyones holding a gun to your head after all


there are alot of people enjoying the game, they should pay for it
those who dont enjoy it, should wait until the game is at a point when they will

and lets face facts, not everyone will enjoy every game out there, it is imposible to please everyone, and you may be one of those in this case, and there is again, nothing wrong with that at all


and to take it up a level, yes, 2.0 will be a better game

but guess what, 2.1 will be better then 2.0, and 2.2 will be better then 2.1 and so on

its a never ending cycle so people shouldnt look to a specific patch to be the end all ever

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You're being way too apologetic to Square about this, and I've seen your other posts to know that you're much smarter than that.

Firstly, I don't think a lot (sorry, that misspelling is a personal pet peeve of mine, same for people incorrectly using your for you're) of people are enjoying this game to want to pay for it. There's a decent number, but let's not sugarcoat it here. After the subs hit, I don't think it will be much. And because there is no way in heck Square will release their subscription numbers since they're not releasing their current F2P numbers, we probably won't know unless the Producer or one of the reps/devs cough it up. It's probably best that they don't publish it as it would be bad for their already stained PR for this game.

I think a lot of us WANT to enjoy this game because there are a lot of things going for it: the aesthetics, lore, environment, "the Final Fantasy" name (yes I know that one's a weak excuse), and the potential the gameplay has to be fast paced (once they fix their awful position and UI latency). Zanfire's concern is a very valid one (and I have the same train of thought too), but it's pretty much the equivalent of crying over spilled milk. Saying you want it NAO and have everything fixed within a few months even if you're giving them money isn't going to speed it up. The game was released as a giant shitstain in the MMO genre and Yoshida had to dig this game out of the Britney Spears-sized hole Tanaka and Wada made for it. I hate waiting too, especially when SWTOR is right around the corner and Torchlight II, Diablo 3, GW2, and Phantasy Star Online 2 is expected to come out sometime next year, but there is very little we can do to speed their asses up short of flying down to SE-Japan headquarters and threatening to lash them with a wet noodle.

This part is for people like me and Zanfire who are disappointed with the way the game's developing:

The facts of the matter is, if you play FFXIV in its current state, I think you will not get the same kind of quality and content as a lot of completed MMOs/MMO-like competitors. There will be delays and whatnot happening because I personally think they're biting off more than they can chew since they chose to go the "develop content for a game that should've been shut down months ago and simultaneously develop its successor" route instead of just shutting down 1.0 and using those developers and resources who are currently working on 1.0 to speed up 2.0, even with all the money and resources SE has. I know why they went this route, but I don't agree with it, as it just pushes the game off to a far away date that is considered a lifetime in today's modern video gaming industry.

But Square is a big boy - if 2.0 fails, Wada might step down as CEO (typical Japanese response for when certain aspects of their business fail). If 2.0 succeeds, we'll have ourselves a FF MMO worthy of its name. It's a win-win for us and fans of the other FF games too. At this point, you're probably better off just not paying for the sub and coming back to 2.0 (an option I'm considering myself). Bitching about it in a forum won't get you far, and when the subs come around, I think there will be way more Square apologetics to deal with to a point where any criticism you will have about the way Square is doing things will be met with a majority that will pretty much used the canned pity party/wait for 2.0/I have faith in Square response that you seem to already dislike at this point.

tl;dr - If you think the product is crap and feel your advice isn't getting through to the developers/creators of that product, stop using it and stop paying for it. It'll suck because you may have grown to like the product in some factor, but it's your best option at this point.

actually you can get a rough estimate once they have a search feature, you can just /sea all and see how many ppl are online during the prime times to get an estimate.

If you don't like the speed of patches, don't play, we won't miss you and no cares, end of story. We can all argue about business practices for days but most people on this forum have no background education in economics, business, or basically anything it seems, so its pointless.

To say them delaying patches continuously for a game that is under pressure and scrutiny,is bad business, is like saying the government comes out with legislation to slow, it is how it is, things take time, if you can't handle it, instead of complaining find something constructive to do.

You have a million whiny ass people like you on websites complaining about XIV, saying "just cancel it, that game sucks", and see if you'd be quick to pump out buggy lame content.

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Originally Posted by grandm

more dev's does not mean faster patches. too many cooks spoil the broth. it don't matter how many cooks you have cooking said broth. the cooking time is set by how long it takes to cook, not by how many cooks you have in your kitchen

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More cooks would produce more broth wouldn't they not ?, ie 1 cook makes one lot of broth, 100 would make 100 times as much in the same time.

Granted the broth may not taste better for it but you just fed a whole lot more people.

you put 200 cooks in a kitchen and tell me how much work gets done before knives start flying everywhere. :P

Also you are referred to making a bunch of the same products. They are not trying to make 100 clones of XIV (each independently making the game).

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Originally Posted by Jinko

More cooks would produce more broth wouldn't they not ?, ie 1 cook makes one lot of broth, 100 would make 100 times as much in the same time.

Granted the broth may not taste better for it but you just fed a whole lot more people.

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now add those 100 cooks into a space designed for 1 cook
they just get in each others way

Depends how big the kitchens is I guess, in large hotels/restaurants you don't have just one cook.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

More cooks would produce more broth wouldn't they not ?, ie 1 cook makes one lot of broth, 100 would make 100 times as much in the same time.

Granted the broth may not taste better for it but you just fed a whole lot more people.

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you don't need more cooks. you need bigger pans.

Most of the time you have 1 cook for each type of "dish"...did you not watch Friends...sheesh! (joking aside) like I mentioned earlier by making 100 broths with 100 cooks is not the same thing as making 1 XIV with 100 devs. They don't equal up mathematically or logically. In order for it to be the same you have to say 100 cooks making 100 broths to 100 devs making 100 XIVs (but we are only making 1 XIV this is our constant in the equation. so that being said you can only make 1 broth to match the equation).


Simply put:
100 cooks / 1 broth = 100 devs / 1 FFXIV
but
100 cooks / 100 broths =/= 100 devs / 1 FFXIV

But its food .. dude.. whats that got to do with FF14.

Don't take stuff so seriously !

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

Most of the time you have 1 cook for each type of "dish"...did you not watch Friends...sheesh! (joking aside) like I mentioned earlier by making 100 broths with 100 cooks is not the same thing as making 1 XIV with 100 devs. They don't equal up mathematically or logically. In order for it to be the same you have to say 100 cooks making 100 broths to 100 devs making 100 XIVs (but we are only making 1 XIV this is our constant in the equation. so that being said you can only make 1 broth to match the equation).


Simply put:
100 cooks / 1 broth = 100 devs / 1 FFXIV
but
100 cooks / 100 broths =/= 100 devs / 1 FFXIV

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this metaphor is getting a bit out of hand, all i ment is sometime more is not better or quicker

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Originally Posted by grandm

this metaphor is getting a bit out of hand, all i ment is sometime more is not better or quicker

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but if your garlic bread isnt ready on time, you just need more cooks!

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

but if your garlic bread isnt ready on time, you just need more cooks!

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Did someone say pie? :D

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Originally Posted by normalforce

Did someone say pie? :D

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Mmmm, pie
cuz we all know the cake is a lie

Metaphors stem from logic and reason, I was merely illustrating the point to be made. Also that is merely a simple word problem at best...nothing complicated about it.

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Metaphors stem from logic and reason, I was merely illustrating the point to be made. Also that is merely a simple word problem at best...nothing complicated about it.

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2 birds in the hand is worth 1 in the oven

"It's Happening Wednesday"
"It's Happening Wednesday"


Except........its not.

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

FINE

/eats words

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unlike most everyone here I can admit when I'm wrong.

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Originally Posted by Kyra

No more excuses, or delays SE, lets make this happen. Last chance to get the game right. Or i will be quitting and taking entire LS and server with me.

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I'm sorry for quoting something back from page 2, but lmfao at this.

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Originally Posted by Alerith

I'm sorry for quoting something back from page 2, but lmfao at this.

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You should meet Eliza Joran from Besaid, this has her written all over it

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Originally Posted by Irana

I only came here to ask...theres a little big planet 2 ifrit kills map?

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Its still in the works. Im actually making FFXI on LBP. Its a planned MMORPG on LBP2. Im still working out the battlesystem bugs and such then I return back to working on the ifrit fight. I see many people on the ps3 waiting for FFXIV to release which is kinda funny.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

More cooks would produce more broth wouldn't they not ?, ie 1 cook makes one lot of broth, 100 would make 100 times as much in the same time.

Granted the broth may not taste better for it but you just fed a whole lot more people.

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i find this funny based on the saying, "too many cooks in the kitchen"

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

unlike most everyone here I can admit when I'm wrong.

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Graciously I might add lol

.... yes Bender, we do need Math.

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Originally Posted by Alerith

I'm sorry for quoting something back from page 2, but lmfao at this.

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Hahaha...that is special...

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Originally Posted by Biggs

Graciously I might add lol

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Well like, I am a Pretty Princess after all~

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

Well like, I am a Pretty Princess after all~

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Ther can be no arguing with that My Lady /bow

Hamlet Poseponed.... They really need to Hire more staff.

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Originally Posted by Venat

Hamlet Poseponed.... They really need to Hire more staff.

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Please, and I say this with all due respect, shut up.

Hire me kthxbye

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Please, and I say this with all due respect, shut up.

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WHen people necro threas with OPs based on absolute ignorance and lack of knowledge, the "all due respect" goes out the window, so please just do the rest of what he said.

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