Until SE makes male and female glamours equal...

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Originally Posted by Mikaeru_Umbranox

try uraeus skirt

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Wow, you look much more ladylike than my wife! Gorgeous picture.

Hope we see a follow up shot from Crushnight :)

Edit: Oops, new page. Time for some new pictures. I'll continue working my way through my pretty robe collection with another gownlike set.

http://i.imgur.com/HtHBiKJ.jpg

Bonus picture as it was too hard to decide which was cuter: http://imgur.com/PqWtvWa

Not a huge fan of the hat, but the rest is absolutely amazing, at least on an Elezen in my opinion. My favourite (and most frequently viewed) part of the robe is the corset-style lacing on the back, which is more evident in the casting version with its bold colour scheme:

http://i.imgur.com/F8ZdkFD.jpg

Although it's not really my type of style/glamour everyone sure does look nice in here!

I've been trying to put something together as well, I doubt it's as good as all of yours though. I've got more male'ish glamour than I'm willing to admit. :p

http://i.imgur.com/urls1Ne.png

http://i.imgur.com/UmrleYC.png


Although I still prefer this myself ;-;

http://i.imgur.com/pdQZHz5.png

this thread is exactly why i HATE HATE HATE miqote males.... cringy as hell. its also why im glad ad block plus exists...

The only actual issue with glamours bot being universal right now is the fact Yoshi P would have to pull resources away from the games development to basically redesign existing gear. Also I've seen enough male Roes to know this would actually result in psychological warfare everywhere players gather.

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Originally Posted by Viki

this thread is exactly why i HATE HATE HATE miqote males.... cringy as hell. its also why im glad ad block plus exists...

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You know, you could just not click on it, right? Or View Profile> Add to Ignore List to erase every cringy person (I presume I'm included) from existence in your version of the forum. Personally, I like seeing people having fun, no matter who they are.

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Originally Posted by Alestorm

The only actual issue with glamours bot being universal right now is the fact Yoshi P would have to pull resources away from the games development to basically redesign existing gear. Also I've seen enough male Roes to know this would actually result in psychological warfare everywhere players gather.

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Yeah, it was a bit of a weird decision in the first place to pull resources away from new development to add extra polygons and textures and open up the male-only versions of those outfits to female characters in the first place. I have no idea why they act so inconsistently in this way.

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Originally Posted by Serilda

You know, you could just not click on it, right? Or View Profile> Add to Ignore List to erase every cringy person (I presume I'm included) from existence in your version of the forum. Personally, I like seeing people having fun, no matter who they are.

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nope just the miqote males...

Maybe it's my own perception of clothing but none of these glamours look "girly" to me. Just guys wearing outfits that anyone can wear.. Girly is in the eye of the beholder I guess?

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Originally Posted by Alestorm

The only actual issue with glamours bot being universal right now is the fact Yoshi P would have to pull resources away from the games development to basically redesign existing gear.

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And it's unfortunate that development time will have to be taken up in order to fix it, but it needs to be done. There were a number of less than optimal design decisions, including this one, made early in XIV's development for the sake of getting the game out in a timely matter, which will need to be fixed eventually in order to keep the game running well. The longer they wait, the more the work will pile up, and the more effort it will take to fix.

Personally, I'm a patient person, so as long as there was clear progress being made I'd happily accept an item or two per patch as a compromise. They could even alternate and unlock something for guys on even patches and something for the ladies on odd ones, at least until they ran out of male-only items.

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Originally Posted by Viki

nope just the miqote males...

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Wait, what? So you're okay with seeing any other male race in pretty glamours, but Miqo'te are a problem?

But I'm so cute! ;_; Why don't you like me?

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Originally Posted by SilverObi

Maybe it's my own perception of clothing but none of these glamours look "girly" to me. Just guys wearing outfits that anyone can wear.. Girly is in the eye of the beholder I guess?

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Sorry, we're doing the best we can with limited resources!

And some of my outfits aren't meant to be super girly, so much as to illustrate how feminine my character looks from certain angles.

I think I'll try for Sailor Moon cosplay tonight...but which character should I do, hmmm...

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Originally Posted by SilverObi

Maybe it's my own perception of clothing but none of these glamours look "girly" to me. Just guys wearing outfits that anyone can wear.. Girly is in the eye of the beholder I guess?

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That's probably because you're sensible and recognise that clothing doesn't immediately erase a person's gender unless the wearer is actively trying for that effect, given the sheer volume of fashion options across the planet and throughout history. Things that look 'feminine' today looked perfectly 'masculine' a hundred years ago even within the same culture. Whenever we ask for more of the female-only glamours to be made unisex a minority pipes up that the game will be ruined for them if guys start wearing 'girly' clothes, even though there's nothing more girly about the clothing in question than anything else we have access to and nobody has ever quit the game just because we posted a few silly pictures of our guys in short skirts.

It's also why the cries for us to fantasia if we want to wear skirts are so confusing. We don't want to change to female characters. My character doesn't even look especially 'beautiful' since I like a more haggard aesthetic.

Happy to take requests, though I must confess I don't have every item in the game (and have discarded quite a few dungeon items for inventory space reasons - glamour log, when?)

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Originally Posted by Lukha

Sorry, we're doing the best we can with limited resources!

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I always enjoy seeing people creatively use a full gamut of clothing to make unique looks, keep up the good work all

Sailor Neptune cosplay.

http://i.imgur.com/RaxdzFT.png

http://i.imgur.com/kLiOzhT.png

http://i.imgur.com/mG5YHF5.png

dont remind me on the bikini tanks... this asshat in 2.0 coil insisted he was the toughest shit ever in his valor headpiece, gloves and boots with bikini and curtana/holy shield. he got a kick to the curb

Insane people who wear stat-less glamours in actual raids are one thing but nowadays that needn't be a problem, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder. No glamour is worse, because mixing the Hailstorm arms with the Void Ark gown and a Shire hat looks terrible to me. We're also not especially asking for the hempen camise; there's no way that girls can wear most of the male equivalents without affecting the game's rating and we have a perfectly adequate alternative already. So fear not; the main goal is to avoid locking perfectly decent outfits with no equivalents!

Not sure if these counts but :o

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...016_230756.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...016_100859.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...016_002745.png

@_@ I'm more of a casual wear type of person. Though I really wish Butler outfit is available for female too :(


PS: This fabulous Roe came up to me once and it was glorious.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...016_190204.png

I would like this game to avoid going the way of TERA.

New page but I'm not at home so I had to dig into my archive. So uh, here's my chocobo, Catastrophe (and perhaps more shockingly, me actually wearing armour instead of some kind of dapper coat and boot ensemble). I think that my chocobo is very fashionable and that hat has never once left his head since the seasonal event where I unlocked it.

http://i.imgur.com/odtx0JU.jpg

With TERA, I can understand why they would release so many female only exclusives, the game is F2P and majority of the playerbase is playing a female character, their data also shows that majority of the players that buy stuff from the cash shop are those with female avatars. From an sales point of view, I can understand why they would go in this direction. With FFXIV everyone that plays is already paying Game key + subscription (some also pay for stuff on the Mog Station) and we also know from numbers released from SE that the ratio of female to males characters is almost the same.

SE has no reason to pander to those with female avatars, they do it, because they want to and can. Which sucks for those that play the other gender. All of us are paying for more content, but only one side gets to experience more, this in itself is unfair. Another factor might also be with their culture, maybe males in feminine outfits is seen as taboo there, which is why we have inbalance of females being able to wear most outfits and males dont.

In the end this is still no excuse, if SE didnt want males to wear the female outfits, then they could have made more male exclusive outfits to balance this. Them not wanting to balance this makes me believe that male characters have a low priority then female characters.

PS: Aymeric's hairstyle is uni-sex, while Minifilia's hairstyle is still female exclusive, if SE can make a male avatar's hairstyle uni-sex, then they can do this for Minifilia's hairstyle aswell, the fact that this has not happend, shows the playerbase that female avatars have an higher priority then the male ones.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

Another factor might also be with their culture, maybe males in feminine outfits is seen as taboo there, which is why we have inbalance of females being able to wear most outfits and males dont.

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I think it's about corporate culture more than actual Japanese culture. They give us glamour miniskirts, crop tops and colibri pink dye so they obviously don't mind men wearing overtly 'feminine' outfits, but their design team is heavily made up of (presumably straight) males and they didn't actually realise how much bias started creeping in when designers started thinking with their pants, as it were.

The same thing can be seen in the healer/caster costume design contest; people submitted male/female designs and yet the gallery we were shown was heavily biased towards the female ones, leaving those with male characters wondering what their versions were supposed to look like. Square-Enix does great things in catering for fans of all preferences, but there's definitely a bias towards depictions of shapely women in this industry. Despite there being more people paying to play as male characters. So silly. It's important that we point these things out because I feel that the dev team don't intend things to be this way on purpose.

Edit: Huh, my post for this page got moved back because some of the freakier flame posts were deleted! The community team works hard. Though sadly Lukha's WHM snap was also devoured in the purge. I managed to rescue it.

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Gotta be lazy and post an old picture tonight, I have a test in the morning so I didn't have time to put together a new outfit. It's not even a glamour, this is legitimately just what my gear looked like as a more or less fresh level 60 White Mage.

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Gear like this is why I will never believe there's a lore reason we can't have some of the 'girlier' gear that's currently female locked. If anyone wants to try to put together a logical argument to convince me that Eorzeans aren't 100% okay with males in dresses, go ahead, I'll wait, but make sure you take into account the fact that this outfit is mostly artifact gear, and the progenitor of the White Mage discipline was male.

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Originally Posted by Serilda

That's so harsh (lol). I want to see a picture of your old character now.

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Ask and you shall receive:

http://i.imgur.com/IO4UYB4.png

http://i.imgur.com/g63WEHy.png

http://i.imgur.com/MsOcbD5.png

http://i.imgur.com/bBr5Pya.png

Aww, that poor kitty. Your new character is certainly handsome, but the old one resembles one of my Company buddies. Certainly not deserving of the 'derpcat' treatment!

@Serilda the amount of assumptions you made about me is amazing. At any point I said I against or in favor, I just give an explanation about why SE do certain things, and I still belive it. You can disagree, defend your point for sure and told me how wrong I'am, but not like that.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

@Serilda the amount of assumptions you made about me is amazing.

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I'm sorry, but I don't know you at all and can only go on what you say in the post. If you make it sound as though the current situation is justified by a false interpretation of the figures (S-E working off profit by pandering to cute females, yet the same S-E reporting their playerbase is predominantly using male characters and have historical form for pandering to the female gaze) then I feel obliged to argue against that stance to demonstrate how wrongminded it is. If you're stating opinion as stone cold fact with openings like 'Ok, the hardcore truth', then that's all I have to work with; I adjust my tone to be similarly firm.

I have no beef with you personally whatsoever and the parts I didn't quote I'm not even arguing with; however, those on my side of the fence have literally heard every single counterargument under the sun over the two year odyssey of this quest for equal access to glamour. My dearest wish is that we can eventually move past the need to bring up defenses which don't stack up against Square-Enix's own actions, and focus on a more positive kind of campaign.

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Originally Posted by Serilda

Aww, that poor kitty. Your new character is certainly handsome, but the old one resembles one of my Company buddies. Certainly not deserving of the 'derpcat' treatment!

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Thanks! I've been thinking of changing back, but I'm so used to this now that I'm not going to bother. I also wouldn't say he looked bad, but my current one looks slightly better.

Why you ignore the rest of the quote?, anyway I'm talking about assuming why I like or dislike. And yes, to me is a cold fact becuase similar scenarios happen in a lot of other MMO's (not only TERA) and even in mods communities. As I said companies ponder to money, thats why MMO's become more casual, despite forums "full" of hardcores everywhere.

There is no an obscure motive about why this happen.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

Why you ignore the rest of the quote?

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I read it, and incorporated it in my reply, but it's faster to keep the character limit trim with the forums the way they are :s

I agree that other games frequently pander towards the stereotypical idea of a straight, young, wealthy male gamer and that very much comes out in their sexy character designs. Final Fantasy is quite unusual as it has a large proportion of fans outside this narrow demographic and a long history celebrating both the male and female gaze. There's a reason I'm not playing TERA or those other MMOs. Though if they are pandering, there is more reason for them to pander specifically to Miqo'te, Hyur and Au Ra than there is to pander to a minority of their paying playerbase (female characters); it's faster to adapt Miqo'te designs to those similar body shapes than it is to adapt them to female Lalafell or male Roegadyn. I think it would be a shame if they went that way.

Like I said earlier, compared to some other MMOs, especially TERA, we have it quite good in XIV when it comes to glamour being equal. It may not be perfect but it's good.

An other MMO that I used to play, but went down a long time ago, Dragonica, had it better. Most sets were shared with all genders and races. Then there were female only sets and male only sets. But these were "shared". Example: For every female highschool outfit, there was a male one as well. Then they had female exclusive sets, example: The Mai Shirunai set (from King of Fighter series), which obviously was no male variant of. But the males had their own exclusive sets as well, for example: rockstar outfits.
Everything counted and summed up, it was pretty equal.

I guess that they're trying to make it somewhat equal, if Aymeric's set is indeed meant as a push in that direction, albeit a bit of a pity that they didn't go with in-game but Mog Station to solve it, they're (hopefully) trying. I know that still won't us make able to wear the female sets, but we should take every "victory" we can get. :3

@kinazu I don't really see it as a "victory" as you said because once again this is an item given to the female avatar. When SE starts to show that they are trying to create and make male versions of such female exclusive, we can say they are going to the right approach. So far I just see SE making an unisex hairstyle to gain more profit. They know the players playing female characters will always want to get anything that is an icon in game related to the main story, holiday or Occidental traits (we have seen how many NA players have been showing off the Korean and Chinese outfits as soon as they came out)

... How about a 'gender-less' character option? As an example, I envision a Miqo'te character creator screen where one can go to both 'extremes', to the female and the male side we already have and everywhere in between. I can see a slider, at the left side it has 'Male', at the right side 'Female'.
The character created this way can wear both, male and female clothing.
This would actually be very cool, and, I don't think it has been done before...

Genderless would be cool, but I think it would take quite a lot more development time to implement than just letting anyone wear locked clothes to achieve their desired look. If they do a future race ever again, it would be a neat way to reduce the amount of work required while giving people an imaginative alternative to the current options (and mess up their existing strict gender locking system, muahaha).

New page so another random picture from me in the hope that more will participate. I'm sorry it's not all that good a picture, it was just lying around.

http://i.imgur.com/z9pan3t.jpg

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@kinazu I don't really see it as a "victory" as you said because once again this is an item given to the female avatar. When SE starts to show that they are trying to create and make male versions of such female exclusive, we can say they are going to the right approach. So far I just see SE making an unisex hairstyle to gain more profit. They know the players playing female characters will always want to get anything that is an icon in game related to the main story, holiday or Occidental traits (we have seen how many NA players have been showing off the Korean and Chinese outfits as soon as they came out)

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It depends on how you look at it. If you read closely, I never said it was a true victory, that's why I wrote "victory". And also the whole tune of my post was meant to be doubting. I'd like to see it as a positive sign, but I, like you do not. I'm sceptical at most. I don't think SE will fix this any time soon nor address it. If they, for example, add the male bunny suit with the Edda outfit for female we didn't win anything either, correct? It'll still be the same, with the males getting something the females already have and the females getting something unique once more.

They Aymeric outfit may be a step in the right direction but it is indeed a cashgrab and an obvious one as well. It'd been better if the hair was exclusive to male as well, if it would be better that way, we'll never know sadly.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...0112/image.jpg

finally got the pics and skirt :)

Omg all these models and glamours are gorgeous! \*o*/

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Originally Posted by Kinazu

It depends on how you look at it. If you read closely, I never said it was a true victory, that's why I wrote "victory". And also the whole tune of my post was meant to be doubting. I'd like to see it as a positive sign, but I, like you do not. I 'm sceptical at most. I don't think SE will fix this any time soon nor address it. If they, for example, add the male bunny suit with the Edda outfit for female we didn't win anything either, correct? It'll still be the same, with the males getting something the females already have and the females getting something unique once more.

They Aymeric outfit may be a step in the right direction but it is indeed a cashgrab and an obvious one as well. It'd been better if the hair was exclusive to male as well, if it would be better that way, we'll never know sadly.

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your perspective is of an optimistic person when my perspective of a realistic individual. if they would have done everything male exclusive, we would have many players who are playing female characters making threads asking for the whole set to be unisex or asking for a female version. In the moment, SE has bought time to see whether or not they stay with just a unisex haircut because they know the majority of quiet people (or don't really say much on the forums -official or not- ) will just buy it.

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Originally Posted by Serilda

New page so another random picture from me in the hope that more will participate. I'm sorry it's not all that good a picture, it was just lying around.

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Wow, those sandals really flatter his legs, especially from this angle.

Thanks for saving my post from last night; I really should have known better and split the response and pictures off into separate posts, but it was so late I just threw up my hands and did it anyway.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

finally got the pics and skirt :)

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o.o Wow, I don't think I've ever seen a male Au Ra shirtless before. I never realized just how...shapely they are. Looks good on you!

Speaking of ribbons and frills...More PvP gear, because it never fails to amaze when it comes to stylish healer gear. It was stormy in Idyllshire when I was taking screens of this, and I kinda wish I could make a gif or two 'cause the skirt on this piece looks really pretty billowing in the wind.
http://i.imgur.com/jdqB62B.png

http://i.imgur.com/SfNOG2d.png

http://i.imgur.com/ZSfepBS.jpg

Obligatory 'rawr:3'

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Originally Posted by Lukha

o.o Wow, I don't think I've ever seen a male Au Ra shirtless before. I never realized just how...shapely they are. Looks good on you!

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TY i love the au ra male look just wish could have had the thav bustier i loved that piece shame not my gender

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

TY i love the au ra male look just wish could have had the thav bustier i loved that piece shame not my gender

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The Thavnairian style would definitely look good on you. On all of us. All we can do is keep hoping!

I reckon this post will add a new page to the thread, so I took a new picture. If the game is handing all new male Bards beautiful pastel pink ensembles then there's no reason that the Thavnairian Bustier is simply too girly. We should be able to wear that set too.

http://i.imgur.com/zkczdHe.jpg

The Sirens did not seem too impressed with me.

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Originally Posted by Serilda

The Sirens did not seem too impressed with me.

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I dunno, it kinda looks like Rhoswen's checking out your legs. And we do know she has a thing for Elezen...

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

TY i love the au ra male look just wish could have had the thav bustier i loved that piece shame not my gender

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I do, too. I really think it could look amazing on males with minimal adjustments, or even with none. And oh, but I'd do dreadful things for those strappy sandals.

Tonight, we catch Lukh'a spacing out when he should be doing paperwork:
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I really like the little cutouts on these shorts for some reason. I have a pair of those in every color from the very first Moonfire Faire, and I really wish they were dyable, because they're my go-to bottom piece for glamour. Pants and Lukh'a just don't get along.

My boyfriend has discovered the best perk of being a male Au Ra.

http://i.imgur.com/Kx6yoyT.png

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Originally Posted by MisterLucie

My boyfriend has discovered the best perk of being a male Au Ra.

http://i.imgur.com/Kx6yoyT.png

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Uh. Oh my. My word. :o *fans self*

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Originally Posted by Serilda

http://i.imgur.com/zkczdHe.jpg

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This is basically every bard set ever anyway!