SE You may want to reconsider charging for this

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Originally Posted by irongripz

there will always be fanatic fanboys that has to disagree with some ones opinion because they think they know everything. its pretty pathetic really the sad life most of you live to complain at some ones complaints that is not even complaining to you or complaining about something your doing.

12.50 is half a sack of weed ill smoke up why playing a better game. if you blow money on a product even the creators consider broken, then your an idiot.

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Once again, the creators no longer consider it broken. That's why they are charging us. After 1.20, it will be launch worthy according to them, and according to anyone else who decides to pay. People just can't accept that some of us actually like the game.

[QUOTE=Meow_Zedong;460952]opinions.

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3. They have already stated the game is not up to bar because the only thing it is missing is a player search function and an auction house. Both of which will be coming in 1.20

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so player seach+ half assed ah with no mail system = 50% of a mmo? your opinion makes me laugh.

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Originally Posted by Meow_Zedong

Once again, the creators no longer consider it broken. That's why they are charging us. After 1.20, it will be launch worthy according to them, and according to anyone else who decides to pay. People just can't accept that some of us actually like the game.

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yes they do yoshi said it was 50% do you seriously wana debate this? yoshi has doged just about everything about the game from the server-content get over it yoshi is not a dumbass like most on these forums he knows it broke.

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Originally Posted by Felis

They expecting nothing from us

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Is that quote trying to imply jobs are going to save this game or something?

idk my sever is all rdy almost a ghost town. sever population is way down from 3weeks ago. and the fact that the new jobs are just class add ons insteed of fullblown jobs major let down. along with the killing of mages and lack of content. yeah i dont see this game lasting to much longer im sure the share holders will put an end not long after 1.21. sadly there just isnt enough ppl that are willing to pay any money for this. but on the other hand the nerfing of ablities might stop ppl from complianing that they get xp to fast.that being said i really want this game to take off but will it prolly not but ive been worng lots of times b4 so we'll see what happens

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Originally Posted by lenethlockheed

idk my sever is all rdy almost a ghost town. sever population is way down from 3weeks ago. and the fact that the new jobs are just class add ons insteed of fullblown jobs major let down. along with the killing of mages and lack of content. yeah i dont see this game lasting to much longer im sure the share holders will put an end not long after 1.21. sadly there just isnt enough ppl that are willing to pay any money for this. but on the other hand the nerfing of ablities might stop ppl from complianing that they get xp to fast.that being said i really want this game to take off but will it prolly not but ive been worng lots of times b4 so we'll see what happens

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give it a bit, there were alot of major game releases in the last few weeks that people are currently burning themselves out on
skyrim, saints row, a few fps games to name a few

and its not bad timing with 1.20 right around the corner id expect most of them to be back by then(even my usual overbusy shell has been slow except during event time, due to these circumstances)

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Originally Posted by irongripz

yes they do yoshi said it was 50% do you seriously wana debate this? yoshi has doged just about everything about the game from the server-content get over it yoshi is not a dumbass like most on these forums he knows it broke.

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I don't want to debate anything. How is me re-stating what Yoshi-P said my opinion? He said it is about 50% where he wants it to eventually go (2.0) but he also said after the player search and AH comes in 1.20 it will be a game that is worthy of being paid for. His words, not mine. The only part that is my opinion is the fact that I agree with him.

i myself gotta not pay and take a break after going 4/430 run with ifrit drop and bore of ifrit even so i havent gotta the weapon i want out of 430 run i think i done with this game. nothing esl to do all job DoW DoM DoL DoH max 50 so yea the exp bonus was bad idea now i max and bore nothing to do

on new thread he said AH not coming out btw

gettin exp faster will kill the game more like right now i max on most job even craft i only log on to chat and log off since ifrit bore me with 4/430 drop. the 2 pty i do with have ppl 7/7 leaving me behind it like a curse

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Originally Posted by Meow_Zedong

I don't want to debate anything. How is me re-stating what Yoshi-P said my opinion? He said it is about 50% where he wants it to eventually go (2.0) but he also said after the player search and AH comes in 1.20 it will be a game that is worthy of being paid for. His words, not mine. The only part that is my opinion is the fact that I agree with him.

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did he say that would change the 50%? no he just sayed he gona make suckers pay. thats your opinion that after those its 100% just like it would be yoshis opinion also. see how that works?

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Originally Posted by yialee

gettin exp faster will kill the game more like right now i max on most job even craft i only log on to chat and log off since ifrit bore me with 4/430 drop. the 2 pty i do with have ppl 7/7 leaving me behind it like a curse

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thats how it will be for anyone playing from now to 2.0 the game will not draw any new players. hell almost every major dep store has takin it off the shelf. lack of content will be a issue till the easymode lvling, and lack of content is fixed. after a year its almost to late for that.

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Originally Posted by yialee

i myself gotta not pay and take a break after going 4/430 run with ifrit drop and bore of ifrit even so i havent gotta the weapon i want out of 430 run i think i done with this game. nothing esl to do all job DoW DoM DoL DoH max 50 so yea the exp bonus was bad idea now i max and bore nothing to do

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yep i bet you see alot of this. this is why most betas wipe chars at end to make up for fuck ups like letting people afk to 50 on all classes.

With open beta for SW: TOR finished, I'm going to have to agree with the OP that SE is going to have to reconsider on charging. It's everything XIV wishes it was in terms of playability, and outside of the KOTOR era graphics, is something that I predict will give WoW a run for its money. People would be looking between XIV and SW: TOR, and question themselves on why they are playing a half-finished game and paying for it when they could do the same with a fully functional one. Add to the fact that it already has a rather large fan base to draw subscribers from just for the first month, along with the die-hards that will stick with it even after the honeymoon phase, and you will be facing quite the competition.

Most people aren't willing to pay for more than 1 MMO, since playing one takes up a lot of time. To make matters worse, the release of TOR is Dec. 20th, 15th for those who preordered, and comes with 30 days of free playtime. I expect to see a heavy dip in American and European players in December and January at the very least, and a very high chance of players not returning once they quit. The best incentive that XIV has right now is "It's free" and "It's prettier than anything else on the market". Unfortunately, these qualities are only skin deep, so once one of these goes away I'm predicting there would be an exodus for other MMOs. I myself am debating heavily on whether or not to continue my subscription.

i unlike most of you arguing that game is good and ready to be sold, i am going to wait save me some classes to lvl so i can have fun after 2.0 so i don't miss all of the content that is not here. personaly don't find it fun to faceroll every part of this game.

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Regardless, if your goal is to create a positive aura going into 2.0, then starting to charge people in the middle of a broken job/class system migration is the wrong approach, although it is in step with other historically questionable decisions you have made as a corporation.

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I made this argument as well, and then shortly joined the "compromise", but I have jumped off the compromise train because every time I log in I realize I have nothing to do, my carpenter economy is broken, and I can get enjoyment from other areas.

I can't imagine subscribing to this upcoming patch, and I'm baffled that Square is going to be charging.

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Originally Posted by irongripz

i unlike most of you arguing that game is good and ready to be sold, i am going to wait save me some classes to lvl so i can have fun after 2.0 so i don't miss all of the content that is not here. personaly don't find it fun to faceroll every part of this game.

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thats fine
you do that

but dont come in here and tell us how your right and we are wrong and we are idiots, which is exactly what you are doing

grow up

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Originally Posted by jwang

With open beta for SW: TOR finished, I'm going to have to agree with the OP that SE is going to have to reconsider on charging. It's everything XIV wishes it was in terms of playability, and outside of the KOTOR era graphics, is something that I predict will give WoW a run for its money. People would be looking between XIV and SW: TOR, and question themselves on why they are playing a half-finished game and paying for it when they could do the same with a fully functional one. Add to the fact that it already has a rather large fan base to draw subscribers from just for the first month, along with the die-hards that will stick with it even after the honeymoon phase, and you will be facing quite the competition.

Most people aren't willing to pay for more than 1 MMO, since playing one takes up a lot of time. To make matters worse, the release of TOR is Dec. 20th, 15th for those who preordered, and comes with 30 days of free playtime. I expect to see a heavy dip in American and European players in December and January at the very least, and a very high chance of players not returning once they quit. The best incentive that XIV has right now is "It's free" and "It's prettier than anything else on the market". Unfortunately, these qualities are only skin deep, so once one of these goes away I'm predicting there would be an exodus for other MMOs. I myself am debating heavily on whether or not to continue my subscription.

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i agree with everything except the paying for only 1 mmo. i actualy pay for 3 different mmos and i play them at different times depending on witch friends are not working. i have no issue wit paying for a mmo, i have a issue paying for a half assed crappy mmo.

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Originally Posted by Antipika

Off course not, but if you see it that way, Microsoft could just make XboxLive free. They do not need the money either. Hell they could even hand over free X360 to everyone or at least halve the MSRP because... they do not need the money.

It's not because you earn money from other projects/activities that a company doesn't "need" money.

Even if you aren't in the red, money can help you to expand and more importantly, to stay competitive. So you may see it as "money isn't needed", but money's always needed.

If tomorrow XIII-2 is a complete failure and if future Eidos title aren't successful as well (Hitman Absolution, etc.), then money will be needed.

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Comparing xbox live with FFXIV going P2P is pretty dumb, Xbox lives owns Playstation network in every single way, shape and form, by a margin of 50000%, why would they not charge ? They have the best product in the market, now FFXIV is one if not the worst Triple A MMO out there right now. The comparison is just stupid :/

And as far as FFXIII, i dont think it will sell as good as the original, but it will still sell, it is a FF tittle, and Se will never need money, thats why they keep remaking their older games 10 times a decade, just check FFIV, it has around 5-6 remakes :/

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

thats fine
you do that

but dont come in here and tell us how your right and we are wrong and we are idiots, which is exactly what you are doing

grow up

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i am right your not wrong just an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Isaveron

XIV will sink or swim depending on the PS3 release, they couldn't care less if more PC players quit the game right now.

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They better care. The majority of the MMO market is made of PC players.

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Originally Posted by viion

Right because there are just hundreds of thousands of PS3 players who are looking for an MMO to pay month for.

Audience is very, very small compared to PC.

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^ This

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Originally Posted by XxOstiaxX

And as far as FFXIII, i dont think it will sell as good as the original, but it will still sell, it is a FF tittle, and Se will never need money, thats why they keep remaking their older games 10 times a decade, just check FFIV, it has around 5-6 remakes :/

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Still seems pretty hyped in Japan and people are actually confused as to why the 'sexy red riding hood' DLC outfit idea isn't leading the polls lol. So I'm pretty sure XIII-2 will do just fine, not because it's a Final Fantasy title, but because, as shocking as this is to some, people actually enjoyed it and will buy the sequel/next game in line.

It's nothing different from how it seems in America they keep repackaging the Star Wars saga and it still sells very well to this date even though it's in essence the same movie re-released for the 3rd time, this is why it's not because of the title alone but because people legitimately enjoyed it. As for FF remakes, they said they remake the games to get newer team members used to how FFs are made, plus they port the popular ones over to multiple systems and usually try to make use of that hardware to the fullest, FFIV only had 2 actual remakes that were considered remakes, the PSX version and the DS version.

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why would they not charge ?

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Her (assuming) point was XBL can self sustain itself because of all of the money Microsoft itself makes, it doesn't need to charge people for XBL as a need -- In game development however, your project is either investor funded or self (company) funded, XIV was stated to be self funded and it made no profit in the 3 years of development and 1 year of live time, box sales can almost be negated after a month. So if they need funding to continue or to push 2.0 out quicker and more higher quality, they can't sap funds from the company/investors much longer with almost zero to show for it because Square is lucky they went the route of self funding because in any other investment, they'd want the project shut down as it wouldn't be a worthy investment.

So the comparison of XBL and XIV is a good one in her response to the other poster, because while yes Square makes it's millions from other projects, it doesn't mean they can funnel all of that into XIV endlessly, it has to fund itself, especially as an MMO title -- Especially if they have a division for MMO games, which I believe they do. They can pull people onto the project, but money isn't endless and sooner or later you need to make money on it or end the project, this is why new game companies that sprout up and dump all of their funds into their launch title and don't succeed vanish or get gobbled up by EA..err bigger companies to save them and try again or to put their talent to better use.

So given that XIV is making no money, it's probably not a direct "we're sinking as a company" need, but the XIV project has likely run its' course funding wise with almost nothing to show for it. Microsoft is more of a greed than need, just look at Windows, there's free OS's that does even more than Windows does, and they want to charge up to $800 for personal use.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

XBL can self sustain itself because of all of the money Microsoft itself makes, it doesn't need to charge people for XBL as a need --

So the comparison of XBL and XIV is a good one

Microsoft is more of a greed than need,

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yep yep yep

Ever since star wars mmo came out my server is pretty much dead lol.

@ OP....A-freaken-MEN. Im glad im not the only person who notices all these issues. They also need to consider that all those people who get bored or drop off until 2.0 a all likely to 1) get hooked another MMO and never come back or 2) forget about the game and never come back (a year is a long timeframe)

You would think it would be smarter to keep it free to make sure those who are still playing now are sure to stay, because they have no reason to not check in with it (it would be free) keeping that many more people around to eventually pay for it when 2.0 hits. I have a bad feeling that making people pay for the inferior version of the game, with a lack of things to keep people around, KNOWING that a better version is a year away, that they will drop the population off dramatically and only burn themselves.

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You would think

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ya you would think. except you dont run a company as big as SE

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Originally Posted by Zanfire

@ OP....A-freaken-MEN. Im glad im not the only person who notices all these issues. They also need to consider that all those people who get bored or drop off until 2.0 a all likely to 1) get hooked another MMO and never come back or 2) forget about the game and never come back (a year is a long timeframe)

You would think it would be smarter to keep it free to make sure those who are still playing now are sure to stay, because they have no reason to not check in with it (it would be free) keeping that many more people around to eventually pay for it when 2.0 hits. I have a bad feeling that making people pay for the inferior version of the game, with a lack of things to keep people around, KNOWING that a better version is a year away, that they will drop the population off dramatically and only burn themselves.

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yea they keep taking their sweet time about tossing out these small patches. sub fees might not come for another 6 months , so it might only be a 6 months of early beta sub fee.

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Originally Posted by irongripz

yea they keep taking their sweet time about tossing out these small patches. sub fees might not come for another 6 months , so it might only be a 6 months of early beta sub fee.

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Small patches? I'm sorry did you say you were a game designer?

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

Small patches? I'm sorry did you say you were a game designer?

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he doesnt care about anything other then fighting and dungeons
so anything besides actualy "content content" doesnt count at all

so we just waited 2 months for a moogle fight is what hes saying, and thats all we are getting cuz nothing else counts


ignore him, iron is a certified troll anyway

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Originally Posted by Corrderio

Is that quote trying to imply jobs are going to save this game or something?

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Just that they don't force someone to pay. You don't want to pay? Don't pay and wait.

Well, getting SOME money is better than getting none I guess. . .

2 endage fights 5 dungeons thats 1 patch for any other mmo, addition of higher lvl content that is already here is not new, its just adding more missing content.

I'm sorry did you say you were a game designer?

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Originally Posted by irongripz

2 endage fights 5 dungeons thats 1 patch for any other mmo, addition of higher lvl content that is already here is not new, its just adding more missing content.

I'm sorry did you say you were a game designer?

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wait did you say other mmos give you 5 dungeons per patch?

your smokin crack boy

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Originally Posted by irongripz

2 endage fights 5 dungeons thats 1 patch for any other mmo, addition of higher lvl content that is already here is not new, its just adding more missing content.

I'm sorry did you say you were a game designer?

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lmao you really are clueless.

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Originally Posted by Bowen

Well, getting SOME money is better than getting none I guess. . .

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killing off what little population you have to makes very little money is better than nothing i guess.

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

lmao you really are clueless.

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lmao you are really retarded.

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Originally Posted by irongripz

lmao you are really retarded.

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My Bachelors of Applied Science says otherwise.

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

My Bachelors of Applied Science says otherwise.

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You have to have a Bachelor's degree to be a Princess??? Who woulda thought...

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

My Bachelors of Applied Science says otherwise.

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Defending a broken product and arguing over topics that would not effect you in anyway what so every says your full of shit.

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Originally Posted by irongripz

Defending a broken product and arguing over topics that would not effect you in anyway what so every says your full of shit.

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I'am full of shit. Everyone is, it's just how the human body gets rid of waste.