Viera as the next new race~ Show your support

If they're going to make another race, I hope they go all the way and make each sub clans different from each other like Midlander vs Highlander.

That way we can have the FF12 Viera and have the small and the cute/small Viera.

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

Once again, whats wrong with both? No ones stopping them from one thing or the other. Quit making it one or the other. -_-

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As I SAID...

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Originally Posted by Iromi

No thank you, we already have enough of this in game. IF it means taking away other resources, like, for example..updating character models (or giving us back our 1.x models) or expanding upon current character creation..HELL NO.

IF it means taking away other resources

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I don't know how many times I can say it..Yoshida has said time in and time out resources are limited, hence the reason they are most likely never going to release a job in a patch again, it is too much work. AGAIN, anything is possible..they MAY some day have resources to do that, and in the future? Why not..BUT...as it stands, (I've a friend who is senior engineer at blizzard) if wow does not have the resources to release a new race and their dev team is huge, this game absolutely does not have the man power to release a race and give us back our 1.x bodies and/or customization, therefore..I would pick the customization IF I HAD TO.

That is what I basically said. Take it up with Yoshida if you want me to "quit making it one or the other"

Doing this is a lot of work, and asking for that is seems a bit taxing on the dev team. Its clear some people have 0 idea of how implementing stuff works in a MMO and how much work is involved. Oh well.

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

Once again, whats wrong with both? No ones stopping them from one thing or the other. Quit making it one or the other. -_-

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Because game development works; nearly, hand-in-hand with absolutes aka percentages. So you have 100% and out of that you have to find space for story development, character design, armor design, weapon design, environment design, sounds, music, cut scene animation, CG animation, skill design and balancing and animation, etc etc. Each of those takes up a percentage of that 100%, some people want to see better expansion of what's already in game, therefore adding a whole new race would essentially make it one or the other for them.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

As I SAID...



I don't know how many times I can say it..Yoshida has said time in and time out resources are limited, hence the reason they are most likely never going to release a job in a patch again, it is too much work. AGAIN, anything is possible..they MAY some day have resources to do that, and in the future? Why not..BUT...as it stands, (I've a friend who is senior engineer at blizzard) if wow does not have the resources to release a new race and their dev team is huge, this game absolutely does not have the man power to release a race and give us back our 1.x bodies and/or customization, therefore..I would pick the customization IF I HAD TO.

That is what I basically said. Take it up with Yoshida if you want me to "quit making it one or the other"

Doing this is a lot of work, and asking for that is seems a bit taxing on the dev team. Its clear some people have 0 idea of how implementing stuff works in a MMO and how much work is involved. Oh well.

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First off, this is SE, not Blizzard. You want to talk resources yet they're canning PS3 so they just lost a good 300 pounds worth a weight. There's nothing holding them back, and if there is something, prove it. In fact, if your not a dev of SE, don't even mention it if you don't know whats going on over there.

Second, the guy is a hypocrite. He said he didn't want Viera because they look too similar to Miqote, yet he added the Au'ra which are too similar to Miqo'te, Fem Hyurs and the Elezens. Male Au'ra have the exact model shape as the Elezens with sharper face models and skinned Miqo'te tails and tagged on horns. Fem Au'Ra look like fem Hyur models with skinned miqote bits and horns (honestly the face models could easily be integrated with miqo'te's for how similar they are aside from the tiny scale textures). If he really wanted a different looking race he would've stuck with the concept art or made the Banghaa or Ronso race. Then again he'd probably make both similar to Roe's at this point.

What's happening is a lot of work is being dumbed down for the fact that SE don't have the galls to do certain things, which is why players ask to give more assurance as to what we want. That Halloween event shows they can make dungeons more innovative, they won't do it because they're not sure if players want it, then we have babies whine about not having time for stuff when they're in an MMO where it takes time to do ANYTHING. You want more customization? Fine, we still want Viera, and I've yet to see anyone say we have to choose between either of them, so quit making stuff up.

Kurogaea , some of your points are true, but the points about development time and such..it shows me you lack knowledge about how long it takes to make something, code, implementation etc, I feel it is pointless to continue to explain things.

I wish we lived in a world where they can implement a lot of the things players are asking for, but truth is that work the devs do is underpaid and over worked..spend some time with some engineers and you'll see what I mean. I wish we could have both, it wouldn't bother me in the least to have Viera and customization but I would be pleasantly surprised if both happened. It's extremely involved. And the fact that you pointed out this is NOT Blizzard further proves my point. rofl Blizzard has 30 times the resources (not exact number, if you want that I'd have to ask my friend Jared) and they still can't do what you are asking..haha

I don't care what company it is, there is no other "magical" ways to implement things. Yoshida already said that SE is very picky on who it hires to develop content and work on stuff..they aren't going to hire anyone willy nilly, and their employment page reflects that lol.

Nothing has been made up on Iromi's behalf, you really need to consider watching or at least reading the Live letters, and as far as Compairing SE to Blizzard lemme break it down to you, and Im not putting anyone down But its actually common knowledge SE DOES NOT have even close to the amount of resources to Blizzard the ffxiv Dev team is 5-8 people TOPS and Blizzard has 30 - 50 so before putting anyone down you really need to learn what you are talking about first before you go attacking anyone

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

First off, this is SE, not Blizzard. You want to talk resources yet they're canning PS3 so they just lost a good 300 pounds worth a weight. There's nothing holding them back, and if there is something, prove it. In fact, if your not a dev of SE, don't even mention it if you don't know whats going on over there.

Second, the guy is a hypocrite. He said he didn't want Viera because they look too similar to Miqote, yet he added the Au'ra which are too similar to Miqo'te, Fem Hyurs and the Elezens. Male Au'ra have the exact model shape as the Elezens with sharper face models and skinned Miqo'te tails and tagged on horns. Fem Au'Ra look like fem Hyur models with skinned miqote bits and horns (honestly the face models could easily be integrated with miqo'te's for how similar they are aside from the tiny scale textures). If he really wanted a different looking race he would've stuck with the concept art or made the Banghaa or Ronso race. Then again he'd probably make both similar to Roe's at this point.

What's happening is a lot of work is being dumbed down for the fact that SE don't have the galls to do certain things, which is why players ask to give more assurance as to what we want. That Halloween event shows they can make dungeons more innovative, they won't do it because they're not sure if players want it, then we have babies whine about not having time for stuff when they're in an MMO where it takes time to do ANYTHING. You want more customization? Fine, we still want Viera, and I've yet to see anyone say we have to choose between either of them, so quit making stuff up.

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You do realize, that the small details you mention is a lot of work? As similar as they are to Elezen, the differences are still a significant amount of work. It isn't just taking one character model then slapping stickers on their faces. Not to mention, Au'ra are the most customizable race we have so far. Putting that much into the detail of character creation takes a lot of work..

The dev team is small. You have to realize that once a full expansion is released they start work on the next AS WELL AS work on the upcoming patches. It's constant work and the resources are limited. Adding a job or a race to a regular content patch will be a lot of work. Not to mention adding newer types of content. Best example there is changing from 3 dungeons to 2, because of the addition of diadem and potd.

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Originally Posted by Pomelo

I give support, as long as there are the two tribes, the normal viera, and those midget ones too :)
And male viera. Please no one gendered race.

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Yeah, I would definitely want both male and female viera. I would be a little disappointed if it was female only.

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Originally Posted by Senn

Yeah, I would definitely want both male and female viera. I would be a little disappointed if it was female only.

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Well, the art they showed has more male concepts, and in FFXII, males are confirmed, they just live away from females and are isolated further. You just never enter a male warren.

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

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Please don't compare Burmecians to Kobolds, the picture he posted of Freya doesn't look like this at all.
http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/me...x-Kobolds1.jpg
Did we play the same Final Fantasy IX?

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Originally Posted by Yasuhiro

Please don't compare Burmecians to Kobolds, the picture he posted of Freya doesn't look like this at all.
http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/me...x-Kobolds1.jpg
Did we play the same Final Fantasy IX?

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I didn't do it with bad intentions but as it happens SE has never unveiled Freya's face, not to me at least and well, they have tails and seem to be pretty ugly just like Kobold!...

Now if "Burmecians" turned out to be a beautiful race then I would of course welcome and support them in FFXIV!... :)

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

I didn't do it with bad intentions but as it happens SE has never unveiled Freya's face, not to me at least and well, they have tails and seem to be pretty ugly just like Kobold!...

Now if "Burmecians" turned out to be a beautiful race then I would of course welcome and support them in FFXIV!... :)

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The Steam version has a better render of her character model and avatar, she as a pretty decent face.

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

I didn't do it with bad intentions but as it happens SE has never unveiled Freya's face, not to me at least and well, they have tails and seem to be pretty ugly just like Kobold!...

Now if "Burmecians" turned out to be a beautiful race then I would of course welcome and support them in FFXIV!... :)

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Old Freya Concept Art:

http://i.imgur.com/HI5BtlB.jpg

One of the Dancers in the Tree (don't wanna spoil name):

http://i.imgur.com/4aDmbgf.jpg

Is that dev art or fan art in the 2nd pic?

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Is that dev art or fan art in the 2nd pic?

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The first one is official, the second is fan art.

If they managed to look like that in FF14, i'd swap just for that.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

If they managed to look like that in FF14, i'd swap just for that.

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It's not that different from the Original (one can't forget the designing tools available at the time):

http://i.imgur.com/Zn2qqvc.jpg

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Originally Posted by Iromi

Kurogaea , some of your points are true, but the points about development time and such..it shows me you lack knowledge about how long it takes to make something, code, implementation etc, I feel it is pointless to continue to explain things.

I wish we lived in a world where they can implement a lot of the things players are asking for, but truth is that work the devs do is underpaid and over worked..spend some time with some engineers and you'll see what I mean. I wish we could have both, it wouldn't bother me in the least to have Viera and customization but I would be pleasantly surprised if both happened. It's extremely involved. And the fact that you pointed out this is NOT Blizzard further proves my point. rofl Blizzard has 30 times the resources (not exact number, if you want that I'd have to ask my friend Jared) and they still can't do what you are asking..haha

I don't care what company it is, there is no other "magical" ways to implement things. Yoshida already said that SE is very picky on who it hires to develop content and work on stuff..they aren't going to hire anyone willy nilly, and their employment page reflects that lol.

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Sigh, so your saying I lack knowledge of whats happening in SE? Well actually, your right. I don't know, and your saying you do because apparently every engineer is underpaid and overworked (yet in 2015 they went on an extended vacation after releasing Gold Saucer for about 5 months, Yoshi is hanging out with the creator of Yokai Watch giving us the most biggest run around event ever, spending his time working on other projects like Type-0's sequel and helping SAO Hollow Realization's creator with their game). I guess If I spend some time with those engineers I'd be surprised of all the free time they decide to spend on so many projects they would be working on. If I'm not mistaken, isn't some of Blizzards resigned developers working on Wildstar which has just about as many expansions as WoW, its population may not be that great but damn does it have alot of content for such a small group of Devs and resources, hmm...

The fact that SE has staff within their own company is reason enough to believe FFXIV would be in good "resourceful" because when you have such a devoted guy like Yoshida who's not messing with other games, your sure to get alot of work done. In otherwords, if they have the resources, they're not using them, in which case, they're probably putting your customizations on hold for all I know.

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Originally Posted by Zaine_Lionheart

Nothing has been made up on Iromi's behalf, you really need to consider watching or at least reading the Live letters, and as far as Compairing SE to Blizzard lemme break it down to you, and Im not putting anyone down But its actually common knowledge SE DOES NOT have even close to the amount of resources to Blizzard the ffxiv Dev team is 5-8 people TOPS and Blizzard has 30 - 50 so before putting anyone down you really need to learn what you are talking about first before you go attacking anyone

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They do have more resources, thats like 3700 employees for SE and 4700 for Blizzard. Personally, I find this useless, as one group could have more staffing on one game than the other, and the fact that one has made more hit games than the other as well, its pretty hard to tell what exactly is limited to them. And the ffxiv dev team btw, it was 12 people, as in 12 lead developers with their segmented teams of workers. How many do Blizzard have compared to Wow, I honestly don't know since each team dev team only shows leads more often than the entire teams. For example, we have about 5 lead programmers like Hideyuki Kasuga, and we have around 63 programmers in total. If you want to count, be my gues, but saying 6-12 people working on a game on their own is a lie.

And as a side note, the only thing I'm attacking is the thought that we have to choose between two ideas or else we risk over working the dev team members? Love how stupid that sounds. Saying how complicated it is to code is an understatement for those who don't, so each time someone mentions "coding this is really difficult" literally signals they have no idea how hard it really is. No crap it is, but thats not what we're talking about, and it isn't even our business if they have coding down packed so its easy to program just about anything into the game, because none of us know. So once again, quit making stuff up.

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Originally Posted by Jonditaru

You do realize, that the small details you mention is a lot of work? As similar as they are to Elezen, the differences are still a significant amount of work. It isn't just taking one character model then slapping stickers on their faces. Not to mention, Au'ra are the most customizable race we have so far. Putting that much into the detail of character creation takes a lot of work..

The dev team is small. You have to realize that once a full expansion is released they start work on the next AS WELL AS work on the upcoming patches. It's constant work and the resources are limited. Adding a job or a race to a regular content patch will be a lot of work. Not to mention adding newer types of content. Best example there is changing from 3 dungeons to 2, because of the addition of diadem and potd.

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You do realize most of those customizations are the equivalent of extra tatoos for any other race, because thats what they basically are. Even the Male Aura single different customization is the eye rings which is 2 new customizations, which is like adding a circle around a belly button and calling it customization. I'd be sold if they allowed us to customize the horns or body figure but they didn't allow that now did they? They did the absolute minimum of what Au'Ra could have been and we already gave them shet for it.

Speaking of Diadem (so tired of this coming up), we've started getting less than 3 dungeons before Diadem which was the start of Heavensward, Diadem wasn't tampered with till about 4 months later when they nerfed the rewards, and its been left alone ever since, until a year later when they add a new mode that changes nothing but newer gear and PoTD shows up and we've been getting 2 dungeons before that even came out......explain that why we didn't get more dungeons since then. -_-

WOO, got types for days.
Guy: Types for days?
Me: Types for days. :)

Meanwhile...

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...33fd32291c.jpg

Fran: What even....?

I only want them in if they're like the Viera from XII~

Taller than Hume (Hyur)~

Please don't make them Miqote or Au ra like...

I have said it once and I'll say it again I do want viera however I don't feel we need a new race every expansion I would rather this expansion be about graphical and charicter model updating as well as adding more race fetures like faces new ears and horn styles and tails also mabey the adition of new tribes

Fran driving :P ( want her race and mount for 2 ;p)

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_V-08Xgy2...-FranMoto2.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...9b9b80e520.jpg

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Originally Posted by Iromi

Haha I remember Yoshida did NOT want to share these concept designs...

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Besides, he was saying that he did not want to show them, because they look so humanoid and we already got the Miqote's as humanoid race.. Do Au Ra look that different from humanoid right now? I mean, without the freaking horns, they kinda end up like large Elezens with Hyur faces, or am I wrong?!

A giant bunny rabbit is just the thing to compliment the massive kitty cats. I'm sure the posters on this thread will be happy to cover the five to ten million U.S. dollars worth of development and implementation costs. You see how eager they are all for "them" to do things for "them", right?

Good show! We love volunteers!

Viera ! Viera ! Viera ! ;P

http://orig11.deviantart.net/64fe/f/...s_by_doven.jpg

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

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Actually if they did release Viera and they did in fact end up to look like they do in their concept art (unlikely considering whichever team is in control of armor design and character design is depressingly lazy.) they'd look far more beastial then any race we currently have.

I'm would prefer the tall women/short guys thing myself. Or the kid one. Fran is cool, and I'd highly welcome both if that was the thing, but I myself want to have a kid-like race (an no Lala doesn't count. They are potato infant size).

But really I'd like both of the Viera styles (or a new one if they can make something they feel is more unique) and I want the expanded character creator because everyone running around with the same face and body is a smidge dull. Of course I don't expect that all, but nonetheless, I am eagerly excited to see what they end up deciding on.

Viera race , support viera :D

http://img12.deviantart.net/b9c5/i/2..._by_shiita.jpg

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Originally Posted by RobbieH

Old Freya Concept Art:

http://i.imgur.com/HI5BtlB.jpg

One of the Dancers in the Tree (don't wanna spoil name):

http://i.imgur.com/4aDmbgf.jpg

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I'm afraid Freya is ... ugly as rats thus Kobold as my first comparison, there is no possible way I could like Freya's race in this game!... :(

It actually reminds me of this nightmarish movie I saw a long time ago, the girl there looks pretty much like Freya, want a spook!?... Click here to see!...

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Originally Posted by Vamelo

A giant bunny rabbit is just the thing to compliment the massive kitty cats. I'm sure the posters on this thread will be happy to cover the five to ten million U.S. dollars worth of development and implementation costs. You see how eager they are all for "them" to do things for "them", right?

Good show! We love volunteers!

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Someone piss in your wheaties? A game, especially an MMO, lives and dies by fan input and the dev team doing their best to balance time/cost and feasibility.

A mark of any great game is when devs take suggestions and toss what they can in.

Isn't Freya just a Qiquirn?

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

I'm afraid Freya is ... ugly as rats thus Kobold as my first comparison, there is no possible way I could like Freya's race in this game!... :(

It actually reminds me of this nightmarish movie I saw a long time ago, the girl there looks pretty much like Freya, want a spook!?... Click here to see!...

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Or maybe you just don't like rodents in general? Most of Freya's race in Final Fantasy IX look quite nice and aren't even the stereotypical rats you see in most works. Or maybe you're just trying to rile people up.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Or maybe you just don't like rodents in general? Most of Freya's race in Final Fantasy IX look quite nice and aren't even the stereotypical rats you see in most works. Or maybe you're just trying to rile people up.

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I'm not trying to do anything here, everyone has their own taste and I only like the humanoid type of character!...

Freya strays a bit too far from what I like but if the Dev Team manages to make her race look nice then I wouldn't mind seeing "Burmecians" in-game in the not-so-long future!...

I'm sure Square Enix is trying to keep certain aesthetic to the game and that's why we don't see unusual non-humanoid types of characters mixed up with the rest!...

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

I'm sure Square Enix is trying to keep certain aesthetic to the game and that's why we don't see unusual non-humanoid types of characters mixed up with the rest!...

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I agree on that. I think, it is good that we stay aesthetic with current races.

For future races.. well we will see. I support the Viera race. Aslong they make it like many said - females tall, males smaller.
But I also understand people who want to play something beasty. Guess they have it in their blood.. I would suggest some "Cameo" rings which turn you into (whatever you guys want to be) for 30min into a Cobold or Sahagin, idk. But again that, would require lots of resources.. Im not sure.

http://cdn.snsimg.carview.co.jp/mink...t=dc6c90424512

Beastmen can be done right. Just look at bless online.

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

I'm afraid Freya is ... ugly as rats thus Kobold as my first comparison

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I thought you said you didn't mean anything bad? but now you are saying she's as ugly as a Kobold?
wut? I'm not going to say you're trolling but you're all over the place.

Keep calm and viera it up
http://pre01.deviantart.net/1ba8/th/...to-daoh8ma.png

We loves viera >w< pls add their race !!!!

http://orig08.deviantart.net/f597/f/...ht-d99ruu6.png

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