China is getting wings

Coming from someone who wanted wings for my character, those wing look rather... unappealing, even the outfit looks meh. It looks like it's lacking something for some reason, which allows me to feel that I can live without it. If they decide to bring it over to NA/EU, I might get it, but I won't beg for it.

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Originally Posted by LioJen

Not liking the way it effects the aesthetics and perception of the game is a perfectly logical reason whether you agree with it or not.

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There is so many things that goes against this game's aesthetic, as if there is one to begin with. Looking at Azys Lla, Dragonia, Coerthas, Thanalan, with outfits like Thavnarian stuff, Shire gear in which looks like British Coats, Poetics gear that look like a tribute to Phantasy Star, ilvl 110 PvP gear that are literally based off animals, then you have Alexander Gear that literally has no relation to anything I can think of, meaning this is the closest to an aesthetic this game has gotten close to. In otherwords, there is no set aesthetic.

PS: This game is very focused on nostalgia, and we have characters in the FF series with Wings of all types, so in that sense it'd fit right in. Also, Yokai Watch, nuff said.

Keep in mind that you're aren't exactly getting the wings, but a body piece that has the wings on it. It more than likely wont be dyeable or account-wide.

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

Though this is exactly whats happening. People don't want others to have it because they don't like the way it looks. If its in the game, its not wasting time, its literally just carrying over availability for items. No ones offended by it, no one can't give a logical reason as to why it shouldn't be in here, they're just hating the idea of it.

And here I am, along with a few others saying "So the **** what?"

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And at the same time you don't get to choose what is or is not a good reason. If someone says they'd rather not see it in game for their personal preferences to lore or aesthetics, you don't get to choose that that is not good enough. They; just as you or I, pay/paid for this game and therefore also have equal share to discuss what they would/wouldn't like in the game, whatever their reasons.

Personally, I don't think they fit the aesthetics of XIV and would be potentially damaging to current lore. Maybe far in the future, but as of right now.. no, no thanks.

Got my threads mixed up

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If it's for looks, I think it looks tacky, bland, and altogether clunky. If it's for use; actual flight, no.. just no.

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Originally Posted by Kyuuen

And at the same time you don't get to choose what is or is not a good reason. If someone says they'd rather not see it in game for their personal preferences to lore or aesthetics, you don't get to choose that that is not good enough. They; just as you or I, pay/paid for this game and therefore also have equal share to discuss what they would/wouldn't like in the game, whatever their reasons.

Personally; as I've stated before in this thread, I don't think they fit the aesthetics of XIV and would be potentially damaging to current lore. Maybe far in the future, but as of right now.. no, no thanks.

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Its already IN the game, just not for us. And I don't see anyone crying about the Flying Adamantoise mount. We literally have wings in our wedding cut-scenes! Doesn't fit into lore? That didn't stop them before now did it? Honestly this lore excuse is being abused for something as simple as a basic cosmetic item.

http://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51...U3NQ%3D%3D.2.c

Where's the lore to this???

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Originally Posted by LioJen

Maybe that's because the "community" is not a hive mind and it's not the same people making both statements?

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While not the OF community exactly, the reddit ffxiv community seems extremely hive minded ; ; I don't post there for that very reason..if you have a different opinion and express it politely, you'll get downvoted because people hive mind and can't read what a up/down vote is for. >.> So that aspect of the XIV community is hive minded >_<

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Originally Posted by Kyuuen

And at the same time you don't get to choose what is or is not a good reason. If someone says they'd rather not see it in game for their personal preferences to lore or aesthetics, you don't get to choose that that is not good enough. They; just as you or I, pay/paid for this game and therefore also have equal share to discuss what they would/wouldn't like in the game, whatever their reasons.

Personally, I don't think they fit the aesthetics of XIV and would be potentially damaging to current lore. Maybe far in the future, but as of right now.. no, no thanks.

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And people don't get to choose what should or shouldn't be added to the game, it's fine to not like it, it's not fine to ridicule others and actively request against it disregarding other people.

Have some respect for the other people playing this game who don't share your opinion.

I won't be buying them if they do come out on the NA/JP/EU servers but I dont really care if they come out. Those who reach for the whole but it doesnt fit the lore/aesthetics, that argument is easily countered with "Yokai Watch". You can say you personally dislike the look and that is a valid argument but SE has shown that FFXIV has no dedicated aesthetic and when it comes to cosmetic items they do not care about lore so using either of these is not a satisfactory argument.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

And people don't get to choose what should or shouldn't be added to the game

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Actually, they do. We only got the Chinese Dress in the JP/NA/EU version of the game because everyone whined so much about it being exclusive.
The devs, as weird as that may sound to some, actually DO listen to the players, at least if it is obviously a big part of the community speaking.

So I hope we do not get these wingsuits because enough people say how tacky and bad they look and that we do not want them except for a few people.

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

Its already IN the game, just not for us. And I don't see anyone crying about the Flying Adamantoise mount. We literally have wings in our wedding cut-scenes! Doesn't fit into lore? That didn't stop them before now did it? Honestly this lore excuse is being abused for something as simple as a basic cosmetic item.

Where's the lore to this???

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Post was edited just before you posted this.

Anyways, there were people against the turtle mount, I was one of them. To this day I still don't have one and have no intention of getting one.

As to the wedding wings, still think they look like crap, don't know why they are there, and quite frankly wish they weren't as people are going to use that as some baseless justification for adding things just for having them, lore be damned.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

And people don't get to choose what should or shouldn't be added to the game, it's fine to not like it, it's not fine to ridicule others and actively request against it disregarding other people.

Have some respect for the other people playing this game who don't share your opinion.

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I'm sorry did I ridicule someone somewhere in my post, or are you just speaking in general?

In their in-game model they don't look that good, the art though, owO I wonder if they're static or they flow with movement. (Didn't read any of the comments, sorry if someone stated if they do or don't)

Just because there are things already in the game that hurt the art direction, doesn't mean it's cool to go ahead and stomp on what's left of it.

People that don't want the wings probably didn't agree with the Yokai Watch event either.

And yes, the game does have an established aesthetic. Different styles within that aesthetic like what you described doesn't change that. Most armor and equipment sets can be pretty easily recognized as being from this game.

Oh, look. Yet another "exclusive" people will claim to "pay any price" for it and then be in shock when they do have to pay a high price for it.

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Originally Posted by LioJen

Just because there are things already in the game that hurt the art direction, doesn't mean it's cool to go ahead and stomp on what's left of it.

People that don't want the wings probably didn't agree with the Yokai Watch event either.

And yes, the game does have an established aesthetic. Different styles within that aesthetic like what you described doesn't change that. Most armor and equipment sets can be pretty easily recognized as being from this game.

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I could go through the many things that do not fit this games PRIMARY aesthetics from furnishings to gear (believe me there is a lot). I could point out things such as Yokai watch and the DQX stuff that do not even fit the games art style let alone aesthetic. I could point out all the lore issues of things from cross over events, some of our seasonal events, or for the real lore lovers the things that ended up changing/getting lost from the change over from 1.x to 2.x. Like I said if you don't like the look if you prefer it not to be in the game personally that is a valid arguement but when it comes to cosmetics they have established their stance on it not having to match aesthetically to what people perceive as this games primary look, nor does it need to mesh in any way with the lore of the game.

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Originally Posted by Kyuuen

I'm sorry did I ridicule someone somewhere in my post, or are you just speaking in general?

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Speaking in general, nothing personal against you.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

Speaking in general, nothing personal against you.

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Alright, was going to be slightly confused for a second if it were at me. xD

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Originally Posted by LioJen

Just because there are things already in the game that hurt the art direction, doesn't mean it's cool to go ahead and stomp on what's left of it.

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Why not? It's called a precedent, you can't be okay with one and not with the other, why aren't you asking for the removal of those?

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Originally Posted by alimdia

Why not? It's called a precedent, you can't be okay with one and not with the other, why aren't you asking for the removal of those?

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Okay, please remove them.

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Originally Posted by Powe

Well I'm pretty sure if they bring it over to the west, I'm going to buy it and a lot of other people will buy it too

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Exactly why they shouldn't. So that the rest of us don't have to deal with the horror.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

Why not? It's called a precedent, you can't be okay with one and not with the other, why aren't you asking for the removal of those?

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As far as I can tell, alot of these players actually can't point a good reason as to why this shouldn't be in the game. If there was a gunblade class to be released they'd flip their shits just to play it, regardless of how it doesn't fit in with the lore since its garlean tech and we're eorzeans, but I bet you they'll theory craft something just so it would be possible. They just don't want it. Too bad for them.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...950968dbdd.jpg

I'm open to wings of any kind

All i can say if they add them in all servers is :
" if you not want it , just ignore it ! If you want it , just take it ! " :p

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Originally Posted by alimdia

Why not? It's called a precedent, you can't be okay with one and not with the other, why aren't you asking for the removal of those?

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Speaking of which does the China Dress also serve as a precedent for this?

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

Speaking of which does the China Dress also serve as a precedent for this?

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Domans are practically Asians and most of their outfits look like their unique style robes and kimonos. Why not have the Chinese Dress at that point? :/

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

Domans are practically Asians and most of their outfits look like their unique style robes and kimonos. Why not have the Chinese Dress at that point? :/

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If you wanna be techical the Domans are supposed to be an analogue to the Japanese, while the landmass of Othard is a stand in for Asia. And Doma isn't stated to be the entirely of Othard. Plus the (at least the female version) dress heavily resembles the MNK Temple/Melee gear (which is heavily associated with Ala Mhigo).

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Originally Posted by CosmicKirby

Are cool ideas no longer cool because things you don't like use them?

That makes you a hipster.

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No, it's more that every terrible F2P MMO has wings. You can generally look at F2P MMOs and know that they're garbage if they have cosmetic wings. I'd rather FFXIV didn't become one of those MMOs, and quite a few people see it the same way.

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

As far as I can tell, alot of these players actually can't point a good reason as to why this shouldn't be in the game. If there was a gunblade class to be released they'd flip their shits just to play it, regardless of how it doesn't fit in with the lore since its garlean tech and we're eorzeans, but I bet you they'll theory craft something just so it would be possible. They just don't want it. Too bad for them.

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Garlean tech exists in Hydaelyn. How we get it doesn't matter. It exists and therefore would not be lore-breaking for us to have it. Yoshi has even already said we likely WILL get a gunblade wielding job when we reach Garlemald in the story.

There are no humanoid races on Hydaelyn that have wings. It simply doesn't exist. There is no way to explain any of the player races just suddenly sprouting wings. That IS lore-breaking.

Your example is terrible as it only serves to highlight precisely why wings make no sense at all.

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

As far as I can tell, alot of these players actually can't point a good reason as to why this shouldn't be in the game.

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As far as I can tell, a lot of these players actually can't point a good reason as to why this should be in the game.

I can be condescending, closed minded, and dismissive to!

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

If there was a gunblade class to be released they'd flip their shits just to play it, regardless of how it doesn't fit in with the lore since its garlean tech and we're eorzeans, but I bet you they'll theory craft something just so it would be possible.

I'm open to wings of any kind

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Which is reason for it to actually show up in game! Seeing as we're about to be assaulting a Garlean controlled state, coming across that tech is a distinct possibility. Logic and lore dictation... imagine that!

It rly look like fake wings attachd with the dress, it's not realy lorebreaking at this point, but the angel/demon theme suck as much as the costums :s

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Originally Posted by Teraluna

If you're going to do Glamour wings:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...39d52a96af.jpg

or something a little darker:
http://www.blogcdn.com/massively.joy...1/soaphead.jpg

From Aion of course.

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And have wings like that block my screen when I'm raiding or when certain mechanics in a raids requires more visibility, no thanks. And yes that's coming from someone who has played F2P games for a pretty good amount of time. And most of the nicer looking wings are from gacha boxes, I have had players spending 1,100 USD for wings with totally 0 stats boost.

And just so you know the game i played before, has the same publisher as the one hosting FFXIV China, and this isn't the first time they do all this regional exclusive items, players got so sick of it. IF you haven't played Shanda international games before, you haven't seen the a company much worse than Nexon and Asiasoft.

I've been playing DN for close to 6years, it is shanda's biggest game. Since they own Eyedentity, they get them to make exclusive items for the China region, if the english players want them we have to pay a certain amount to get them since there is " copyright (lol)". When it comes to OUR exclusive items, they got everything. Despite our server yielding the most profit we get subpar treatment and because the begging for exclusive items became so common, this practice occurred more often.

If you hadn't notice things are slowly changing, we're having more codes locked behind merchandises, prices are increasing for the mog station and more "regional exclusive" items. While this isn't game changing, whether it is ethical is another thing. So.. becareful of what you wish for, because the things I'm seeing now is what exactly happened to the game I came from and if anything the players dug their own graves.

I'd rather money be spent on improving the game, the servers and etc. Not something that every F2P MMO has. Adding additional stuff requires budget and time, for F2P games I can understand because how much money they generate is base on how many people buy their cash items, so obviously it has to look good. We are a subscription base game, that is this game's lifeline, the cash shop here is just a bonus. Just so you know Dragon Nest only gets big patches once every year, almost 90% of the time it is gachapon OR spend to win events. Because the opposing players left the ones who stayed behind accepted how they did things the company just continues to milk its players.

http://dn.cherrycredits.com/news/new...le/1988/Update
http://forum.cherrycredits.com/topic...cious-is-back/

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Originally Posted by Alberel

No, it's more that every terrible F2P MMO has wings. You can generally look at F2P MMOs and know that they're garbage if they have cosmetic wings. I'd rather FFXIV didn't become one of those MMOs, and quite a few people see it the same way.

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Really? FFXIV will suddenly become F2P and garbage if they add a piece of glamour that has wings....I mean from the screenshot we have I don't think they look all that great either and I kinda don't care if they add it (I want the bardings though), but this is a ridiculous argument. To me your example is terrible.

I mean will it make the news?

"THIS JUST IN: FFXIV adds two pieces of glamour gear! Black and white robes with wings attached. The game is now F2P and is automatically garbage."

"All because they added two optional glamours Steve?"

"Yeah it was a very bad move on their part Bob."

"Hear more at 11 about how this game is crashing and burning over 2 pieces of gear!"


I mean...come on...at least be real and just say you don't want them because you just don't like it.

NOW I CAN MAKE NINA FROM THE BREATH OF FIRE GAMES....... oh wait China...... damn it

These wings? No thank you. I'd rather not have a cluster**** like some of those other mmos. Surprisingly, being able to see where I'm going is more enjoyable than stumbling around blinded by the feathers.

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

http://cloud-3.steamusercontent.com/...F9F202C8C07D6/

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I believe that this is from a Dead Fantasy video made by Monty Oum and not from a game.

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Originally Posted by Myvar

I believe that this is from a Dead Fantasy video made by Monty Oum and not from a game.

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Yup that is true ^^

However she did sprout wings for her lb:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/rp-q5FEsm6w/maxresdefault.jpg

Come at me mog station.

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Originally Posted by LiaShan

To most Chinese players, this game is like another Korean mmo/wow clone, characters are pretty,
they think the overall quality is average,
some people stay ,some people leave & go play the next "fotm" Korean mmo

To chinese FFXI players, this game is just a wow clone, game is too simple/shallow , Yoshida had gone too far, it's hopeless now,
most of them (I think 80-90%) had quit, ( SE has lost many FF/FFXI fans because FFXIV2.0/3.0)
just like here, no difference

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You got citations for all them numbers buddy?

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Originally Posted by Kyuuen

As far as I can tell, a lot of these players actually can't point a good reason as to why this should be in the game.

I can be condescending, closed minded, and dismissive to!



Which is reason for it to actually show up in game! Seeing as we're about to be assaulting a Garlean controlled state, coming across that tech is a distinct possibility. Logic and lore dictation... imagine that!

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And having Hellish Gear (Lore Tomes) with wings on the backs and side are ok even though there's no backstory of eorzeans with wings? Ever thought "oh, nice design." because that's all it is, a design of the gear.

And here's some good reasons: Cosmetic, Options, Role Playing

So while we're on the topic of why lore is still an invalid reason. How about using Primal Summons to defeat our enemies? Last I checked someone dismissed that idea even though we know Lady Iceheart defended us turning into Shiva. So why is this idea any different than Garlean Gunblades?

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Originally Posted by Myvar

I believe that this is from a Dead Fantasy video made by Monty Oum and not from a game.

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It is, Iromi clarified my point for me though.

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Originally Posted by ckc22

Exactly why they shouldn't. So that the rest of us don't have to deal with the horror.

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Don't worry like every other Flavor of the month item in mogstation players will wear it for a day and then let it sit in their retainers.
See Bennu's and the new chinese outfit.

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Originally Posted by ErikMynhier

You got citations for all them numbers buddy?

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A FFXI/FFXIV 1.x player told me that he bought 4 copies of FFXIV ARR (because ffxiv 1.2x was fun, it gave us the hope that FFXIV ARR will be even better)
& give them to his FFXI buddies, after 1-2 months, all of them had quit.
(they don't like WOW, I was a WOW player, after I tried FFXIV 1.2x, I realized that SE is a better MMO company than Blizzard, WOW is just McDonald's IMO)

My previous FFXIV FC ,most members were FFXI players, it's one of the largest FFXI/FFXIV guild in China ,
Now ,the FC leader & many FFXI/FFXIV 1.2x members had quit

My second FC, it was the largest Taiwan FFXIV guild in Aegis, we had a lot of fun during FFXIV 1.2x,
I met some best mmo friends there, we helped each other to do the job quests, teamed up for exp, we played together everyday,
& I met some interesting English players too, very good memories, the community is the best I've ever seen in a MMO

Now, both FC are dead, no one talks in FC channel,
FFXIV is a MMO, a "massive multi player" game, but why it makes people feel lonely, feels like playing a single player game?
Sometimes I ask myself, why I keep playing this? for tomes or glamour? no, I miss the old days, I hope I can have some fun with my FC mates again, and meet some new friends in this game, I know I am not the only one feeling this way.


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SE marketing and corporate are trolling so hard now, the precedent has been set by the reaction to the China dresses. SE will leak/give a certain item to the China region, people over in NA will complain and say "we'll pay whatever X to get it please release in NA!" Then, SE goes "oh well I guess we have to release Y item from China to NA at some Z markup price!"

And corporate goes:

http://img.pandawhale.com/75149-Huel...d-gif-D6gB.gif

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Originally Posted by Miste

Really? FFXIV will suddenly become F2P and garbage if they add a piece of glamour that has wings....I mean from the screenshot we have I don't think they look all that great either and I kinda don't care if they add it (I want the bardings though), but this is a ridiculous argument. To me your example is terrible.

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People channeled their WoW hatred to F2P hatred now.

This guy nailed it a few days ago, people feel like they are superior because they pay a sub and any game that doesn't charge for a sub is automatically bad or inferior

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Originally Posted by JMadFour

the misplaced and faulty arrogance of people who play a mandatory sub-only game is astounding. (My game forces me to pay an additional subscription just to access the game that I paid 60 dollars for, and that makes me better than you.)

I've been playing MMOs since the 90s, and I've experienced every payment model there is.

the notion that a game having a mandatory (or you can't play the game that you paid for already)Subscription automatically makes it better than a game that doesn't is absurd.

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