Fat Moogle Mount on Mogstation!

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Originally Posted by odintius

So when can we start saying the cash shop is the new end game?

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Usually when it becomes Pay to Win, not purely cosmetic.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

Actually the subscription is meant to go towards funding the development of future content.

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The sub is meant to be their profit, how they spend it its their business.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

The devs that make things for the cash shop are the same ones that make stuff for regular content patches.

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Prove it, since i assume such a claim means that you personally know the FFXIV team and how they organize and share the workload.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

Cash shops in subscription MMOs are not 'optional extras' they're cut content that you can choose to buy back.

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Prove it, i want you to show me all those blueprints, concept art and dev-chats that you have about the flying fat moogle and how it was pre-release planned content that got cut.
I mean, with all those claims, i assume you can prove them to be true.

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Originally Posted by Melorie

It's not an "option" to get it on the mogstation when it's exclusive there

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Optional content, not content with optional ways to obtain.
It´s like you are not even trying.

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Originally Posted by Melorie

It's not an "option" to get it on the mogstation when it's exclusive there, it's no like you have OTHER alternative to get the itens, unlike event itens, recolours, creating the race you want at first, choosing your name and choosing your server. I don't see how you cannot understand that people don't find cool paying for a game, paying for a sub, payin for a expansion and then payin for an item if they like it. Wanna pay for it? Doesn't care about it? Great, but is that so surprising that some people do not find this move right? I guess that simples logic doesn't register to you.

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Obviously you don't know how to read into something, Optional as in you can go to pay or not to pay, in no way does not buying this affect their gameplay, if people are so bothered by paying extra for EXTRA content then they should go play offline games.

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Originally Posted by Zigabar

Usually when it becomes Pay to Win, not purely cosmetic.

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Well if cosmetic doesn't matter let's stop putting housing itens, mounts, minions, dyes, glamours, emoticons, hairs in the game. I mean, they don't add anything to the gameplay anyway.
I wouldn't care if this was GW2, for example, then I could put all my money in cosmetics itens because guess what, I wouldn't be paying a sub already.

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Originally Posted by Cwestcott18

Obviously you don't know how to read into something, Optional as in you can go to pay or not to pay, in no way does not buying this affect their gameplay, if people are so bothered by paying extra for EXTRA content then they should go play offline games.

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I understand what you said dear, I just don't agree with your vision of optional. Thanks for supporting this business, if all online games are like this it's because people like you anyway.

So in short, many of you would be happier if all the Mogstation content was never made because then you would not feel like you are "missing out on it", even though without the mogstation that content would have never been done and thus you would have missed on it just as much as you miss on it if you decide not to pay.

It´s all about "if the choice is not one i want to make, i would rather not have the choice at all (nor allow others to have it) mentality.

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Originally Posted by Melorie

Well if cosmetic doesn't matter let's stop putting housing itens, mounts, minions, dyes, glamours, emoticons, hairs in the game. I mean, they don't add anything to the gameplay anyway.
I wouldn't care if this was GW2, for example, then I could put all my money in cosmetics itens because guess what, I wouldn't be paying a sub already.

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It sounds like GW2 is a better fit for you >.>

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Originally Posted by SagaSoluna

You seem to think that everything that´s behind a paywall would have been otherwise put into the game in another fashion when the truth is that without the extra profit, it may simply never have been made to begin with.

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The fact of the matter is, none of us actually know how square handles this. It could be that someone is specifically making mounts for the cash shop. It could also be that the same team is making all the assets and someone is coming through and cherry picking for the cash shop. It's equally possible that it would have been made regardless of the cash shop, but square has seen that people are willing to fork over extra cash so they're gleefully taking it. They have every right to do so and as a business it's somewhat smart. For those like me that get irritated by what we perceive to be double dipping however, it gradually starts cutting the wick shorter each time.

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Originally Posted by Cwestcott18

It sounds like GW2 is a better fit for you >.>

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I like FFXIV, thanks. I'm talking about business model here.

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Originally Posted by SagaSoluna

So in short, many of you would be happier if all the Mogstation content was never made because then you would not feel like you are "missing out on it", even though without the mogstation that content would have never been done and thus you would have missed on it just as much as you miss on it if you decide not to pay.

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There's no way to find out if itens that are on mogstation wouldn't exist if they weren't there. I don't even know why you're treating it like the ultimate truth.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

This is more like going to an all-you-can-eat buffet (e.g. Hometown buffet). You pay your ~$12 entry, and then they have off to the side this cake that you can only get by purchasing it for an extra $30. Wouldn't sit well with a lot of people

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Funny you mention that. There is an all-you-can-eat pizzeria buffet in my town that offers desserts and coffee for an extra fee. I've never seen anyone complaining that they can't afford it and that therefore the pizzeria should not offer desserts for any other customer either.

$30 optional mount on the cash shop is too much for people. But these people are forgetting the 13 brand new minions and weapons we got, as well as 2 new mounts... for the cheap price of $0... and are also optional.

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Originally Posted by Melorie

Well if cosmetic doesn't matter let's stop putting housing itens, mounts, minions, dyes, glamours, emoticons, hairs in the game. I mean, they don't add anything to the gameplay anyway.
I wouldn't care if this was GW2, for example, then I could put all my money in cosmetics itens because guess what, I wouldn't be paying a sub already..

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Um, what? Related how? Cosmetic doesn't matter to the question I answered. :confused: End game is not affected by the items currently in Mogstation. They do not give you an advantage over anyone else where end game is concerned.

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Originally Posted by Melorie

There's no way to find out if itens that are on mogstation wouldn't exist if they weren't there. I don't even know why you're treating it like the ultimate truth.

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For the same reason that you guys treat the "We are missing on content we pay for with our sub" as the ultimate truth.
In my first post, i have already made it sufficiently clear that we cannot really know, but obviously, this is the side i take, so i am not going to mention "we can´t really know" in every post i make.

But suffice it to say that before cash shops were introduced, most MMO had A LOT less content when it comes to mounts and costumes and customization.
So i would say this business model helped, so i think my "version" is more likely than not to be true.

They should add PVP and PVE damage boosts, so that people's argument over "missing out" on paid things in the mogstation relevant to actually missing out on something that would help them in game

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Originally Posted by ErryK

$30 optional mount on the cash shop is too much for people. But these people are forgetting the 13 brand new minions and weapons we got, as well as 2 new mounts... for the cheap price of $0... and are also optional.

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Paid for by the businessmen at level 5 no doubt...

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Originally Posted by Rhyku

2 seater and bloody cute heh

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...psz0fx5xlz.png

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So bromantic.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Funny you mention that. There is an all-you-can-eat pizzeria buffet in my town that offers desserts and coffee for an extra fee. I've never seen anyone complaining that they can't afford it and that therefore the pizzeria should not offer desserts for any other customer either.

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I'm really not defending the restaurant analogy. My original reply, which you quoted, was to give a slightly more accurate example instead of the poor example that was provided by the previous poster. MMOs are not a restaurant. They are also not a theater. They are their own beast, and this company in the past has managed to make an MMO that included all items in your sub (not including expansions / promotions as those are obviously different as well).

I get that times change. Perhaps this is the new way for subscription games, but I can still have the opinion that it is completely wrong.

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Originally Posted by Zigabar

Um, what? Related how? Cosmetic doesn't matter to the question I answered. :confused: End game is not affected by the items currently in Mogstation. They do not give you an advantage over anyone else where end game is concerned.

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Exactly. Let's take all of the items that doesn't give you some kind of gameplay-wise advantage and let's put then in the mogstation. That's fine?

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Originally Posted by SagaSoluna

For the same reason that you guys treat the "We are missing on content we pay for with our sub" as the ultimate truth.
In my first post, i have already made it sufficiently clear that we cannot really know, but obviously, this is the side i take, so i am not going to mention "we can´t really know" in every post i make.

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Because the MMO is sub-based, so it's expected that itens are made with the sub money. Way more than your conspiration of itens not existing if they weren't meant to be on mogstation. Mogstation money should've been used for the game, there are tons of mounts that can be recoloured, mogstation shouldn't support mogstation. The fact that people agree with this kind of move is what makes itens go to the mogstation in the first place, not the fact that mogstation exist makes the item idea exist.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

$30 optional mount on the cash shop is too much for people. But these people are forgetting the 13 brand new minions and weapons we got, as well as 2 new mounts... for the cheap price of $0... and are also optional.

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You mean the promotion and advertising? Like, the partnership that already involves money for both sides?

Really SE I don't really speak out against you but you dun goofed here $30 for a mount and a mount that could of been given as a beast tribe reward. Mogmenders anyone? Cause it a freaking floating moogle!
http://new3.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/com...4391b2a6d6.jpg

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Originally Posted by Melorie

Exactly. Let's take all of the items that doesn't give you some kind of gameplay-wise advantage and let's put then in the mogstation. That's fine?

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Ok? I still don't see how that is related to the linked conversation, with the original quote being "So when can we start saying the cash shop is the new end game?" The answer is still when it's no longer just cosmetic. Adding all cosmetics to the Mogstation still would not make it Pay to Win.

I'll grab it during their winter sale, provided it's not too expensive. I think $30 is bordering on ridiculous.

I don't mind a cash shop in a sub game if it contains things like name changes/fantasias/server transfers, and for in-game items, it is recolors or restyles of in-game items. I don't like items exclusively available on the cash shop in a sub game. It undermines the subscription system.

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Originally Posted by Celef

Do they really forces you, nowadays, to get a sub to access the game AND add exclusive items in CS or are they F2P with an option to get a sub and CS ?
Cause it's not the same at all. I would not mind buying that mount which is 2 month sub if i did not have to already pay those 2 month sub to have access to the game...

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Actually it is. World of warcraft has a very large cash shop and it is also a pay to play MMO, and you don't see a large thread of complaints on their forums every time they add something to it.

The cash shop exists. Nothing in there is needed, they just made a cute mount and put it there for people who wanted something extra to support the game. That's all that needs to be said.

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Originally Posted by Melorie

Well if cosmetic doesn't matter let's stop putting housing itens, mounts, minions, dyes, glamours, emoticons, hairs in the game. I mean, they don't add anything to the gameplay anyway.
I wouldn't care if this was GW2, for example, then I could put all my money in cosmetics itens because guess what, I wouldn't be paying a sub already.

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This is a ridiculous argument.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

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Another metaphor would be buying a book for $14.99 you finish reading that book only to reach the end and learn that there's an Epilogue available for an additional $30. You don't need the Epilogue, you have the whole main story right there, but then you get to wondering. 'What the heck is in that Epilogue that makes it worth twice the cost of the actual book?!' Some people just cave in and buy it.

Honestly, I probably would have bought the thing myself, if it wasn't for the $30 price tag. (I haven't bought a single mount yet, but that one speaks to my sense of humor and thus draws me unlike the other mounts.) It is sad though, to date, Thornemarch is the only extreme trial without a mount. Such a missed opportunity.

Yawn, people complaining about OPTIONAL Mog Station glamour items. Just another day on the forum.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

Really SE I don't really speak out against you but you dun goofed here $30 for a mount and a mount that could of been given as a beast tribe reward. Mogmenders anyone? Cause it a freaking floating moogle!

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That is complete nonsense. SE never would've added that mount as a moogle beast tribe reward. Alone the fact that the said tribe is crafters only and that two-seaters are somewhat still of a rarity where the required personal investment to receive such one is still very high.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

The cash shop exists.

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Sadly it does since people agree with it, support it, etc, etc. Shall we all agree with everything just because it's common? Is that conformism healthy for the future of the game? I don't think so.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

This is a ridiculous argument.

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Is it? Because when you treat a exclusive cash shop item as okay just because it's cosmetic and it's not needed I can only think you wouldn't care if other things were there too.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Actually it is. World of warcraft has a very large cash shop and it is also a pay to play MMO, and you don't see a large thread of complaints on their forums every time they add something to it.

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If you look at their forums and the announcements you essentially have this entire thread of arguments every single time. I know there was a huge backlash when the transmog helms were put up and people even became abusive in game to anyone that had them. I haven't seen them create any further transmog items for the shop. These things tend to create quite a bit of tension.

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Originally Posted by Arrius

That is complete nonsense. SE never would've added that mount as a moogle beast tribe reward. Alone the fact that the said tribe is crafters only and that two-seaters are somewhat still of a rarity where the required personal investment to receive such one is still very high.

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I'm not understanding why this couldn't have been a beast-man mount. Yes, the quests were crafter only, but it's still something that everyone can do in game. I've done plenty of things that I dislike in this game just to get the reward. Others could manage as well :3

I don't mind the mounts that are already in there, but $30 is a little much. I'll wait until it goes on sale.

Citation Envoyé par Alberel Voir le message
Actually the subscription is meant to go towards funding the development of future content.

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Originally Posted by SagaSoluna

The sub is meant to be their profit, how they spend it its their business.

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Citation Envoyé par Alberel Voir le message
The devs that make things for the cash shop are the same ones that make stuff for regular content patches.

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Originally Posted by SagaSoluna

Prove it, since i assume such a claim means that you personally know the FFXIV team and how they organize and share the workload.

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Citation Envoyé par Alberel Voir le message
Cash shops in subscription MMOs are not 'optional extras' they're cut content that you can choose to buy back.

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Originally Posted by SagaSoluna

Prove it, i want you to show me all those blueprints, concept art and dev-chats that you have about the flying fat moogle and how it was pre-release planned content that got cut.
I mean, with all those claims, i assume you can prove them to be true.

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Fine, proove it too please; You ask Alberel proof regarding his assumption while you do excactly the same without prooving anything just because it goes the way you want so i want proof regarding this :

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Originally Posted by SagaSoluna

A game studio has different teams assigned to different tasks.

The devs/progs that create Optional items may not even be the same people that work on game content and regular updates

You are assuming that creating optional content means less time or manpower creating the rest of content, but they may not even be related to each other and the optional item devs may not even be hired if there was no profit to be made.

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Tchatlog with dev team, mails etc every usual thing people always ask for so i might stop thinking SE uses my sub money to create items i can't get because i won't pay extra money for it in CS instead of creating content for every players.

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Originally Posted by DarkPikachu

So i caved and bought it, its been around 1.5 hours now and its still not been delivered to my mail box... is this happening with others too? do you have your mounts yet or are you still waiting on them?

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Log out and back in. Thats what I did and it showed up.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

I'm not understanding why this couldn't have been a beast-man mount. Yes, the quests were crafter only, but it's still something that everyone can do in game. I've done plenty of things that I dislike in this game just to get the reward. Others could manage as well :3

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Because existing beast tribe mounts until now were single-seaters. Unless you had to grind Rank 9 though 3 quests à 5 rep, I don't see why they should offer such a mount with so relative little effort from the player compared to the 2000 Mentor runs you need for the other one.

The prices are just going to keep going up cause people pay them and SE views it as ok. Ranging from $20 for CE mount/Amazon promo $24 Sleipnir, $24 for Bennu, $30 for fat moogle. Next mount will be $40 and then $50 cause why not when SE knows there people out there that will pay it.

Wow... Lets take a reskin Fat Chocobo and make it look like a Moogle, not even trying anymore huh guys? lol But HOLY twelve 30$ for a reskin!? (2 month sub worth) There going to make bank off of this seeing its digital info that cost nothing to reproduce. The Odin mount was a bit worth it because it was unique, this though..? Not so sure. And why is it that 2 seater mounts always have to be locked behind something and not earned in-game, I'm surprised there isn't one for commendations yet seeing that 100% depends 3/7 other random people voting for you *sigh*

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Originally Posted by Jadub2k

And why is it that 2 seater mounts always have to be locked behind something and not earned in-game, [...]

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How about you check where you can acquire two-seaters other than the CS. It has been mentioned more than once in this thread, by the way.

Lots of salt in this thread. A lot of salt is bad for you.

I went to bed last night knowing this thread would exist. I am happy.

I personally dont care that the game has a cash shop, and that they put random things in it. People have been saying that the cash shop will ruin the game since what, 2.2? 2.3? Whenever it was added over 2 years ago. Its STILL just the same types of items, at the same prices its always been, and they don't really even update it that often, once every few months, with like 1 or 2 items.

All this whining is just kind of silly to me.

It a pure vanity item which I am perfectly fine with being in the mogstation. There has been two new mounts added to the game very recently (DD head mount and YoKai mount) plus also one new one added to mogstation (fat moogle). That's two in game and one in mogstation in a very short period of time.

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Originally Posted by Jadub2k

Wow... Lets take a reskin Fat Chocobo and make it look like a Moogle, not even trying anymore huh guys? lol But HOLY twelve 30$ for a reskin!? (2 month sub worth) There going to make bank off of this seeing its digital info that cost nothing to reproduce. The Odin mount was a bit worth it because it was unique, this though..? Not so sure. And why is it that 2 seater mounts always have to be locked behind something and not earned in-game, I'm surprised there isn't one for commendations yet seeing that 100% depends 3/7 other random people voting for you *sigh*

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Mentor roulettes mount is 2 seater that you can earn in game.
Refer a Friend has 2 mounts that are 2 seaters that you can earn in game by referring people and them paying for a sub.