Um... The fact that I made an analogy against it and that I just said that the analogy refuted your point... I thought it would be clear that, no, we don't agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coglin
CNJ = WHM and THM = BLM
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11-04-2011, 04:24 AMInaaca
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11-04-2011, 04:26 AMWynn
Nobody is even debating what is or what isn't. Just discussing why we agree or disagree. Some people just immediately start frothing at the mouth if someone doesn't share their views.
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11-04-2011, 04:39 AMCoglin
Oh i see, so you made a color analogy.....oh...thats justifies everything.....I will get the devs on the line and tell them they did it wrong because the 3 of you disagree with the entire rest of the population....I am sure that will bring them too the light....
You made an incorrect assumption.....you feel the need to justify that assumption....fine..I get that.....don't try to press it on us then get angry when we disagree.....
The lore for WHM and BLM is not in game and will be added when they add the jobs.....so lore debate becomes iffy at best with that in mind.
The only truely inherent spells that CON has that are not WHM is the elemental nukes. Every other spell is on WHM in one previous FF game or another......Pretty much every spell that THM has is on BLM in one FF game or another as well....
Wynn, your the one frothing at the mouth...you even got drool on my sig......nasty. -
11-04-2011, 04:45 AMMartaDemireuxNot sure if you meant literally looks but if so I disagree. THM's in the THM guild are decked out in cowls and metal scepters - White Mages wear hooded robes and traditionally wield metal hammers. CNJ's in the CNJ guild wear robes and pointed hats with sagging points and wield wooden staves - Black Mages wear robes with pointed hats, sometimes with sagging points and wield wooden staves. With that in mind, the new cowl's added into the game support healing magic + while the sagging pointed hats and robes combo support magic attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zezlar
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11-04-2011, 05:19 AMInaacaDid I direct the analogy at the devs? I did not. Did I argue that CNJ/THM didn't get the right jobs? I did not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coglin
I merely addressed your argument that astral/umbral magic was somehow more "elemental" than fire/earth/wind/water/ice/lightning magic. Nothing more. -
11-04-2011, 05:30 AMCoglinYes you do lie alot don't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Inaaca
feel free to quote whre I said it is "more" elemental. I asked a question, I never stated one spell was more elemental then another. Again you rearrange words and in an attempt to promote someone elses words as something else.
I simply said pointed out that THM nukes are elemental based as well. -
11-04-2011, 05:35 AMWynnQuote:
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here you go
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Originally Posted by Coglin
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11-04-2011, 05:40 AMCoglin
Again you need a dictionary.......look up "statement".... then ...look up "question".....
then compare your answer.
Again, in true liars fasion, you post a question I asked and attept you claim it as a statement. -
11-04-2011, 05:45 AMInaacaWow, you're pulling at straws and backpeddling quite a bit here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coglin
Say what you want, but question or not, you clearly phrased your question to emphasize in favor of THM spells being more elemental. You were challenging others to come up with something "more elemental than having 3 elements in 1." So we took up that challenge.
This is clear, anyone can see it, so stop trying to change your stance and stand by your own words. -
11-04-2011, 05:46 AMWynnQuote:
Originally Posted by Coglin
You do realize that people can read what you wrote (assuming you don't edit that post as you are prone to do) and glean the context from it, right? Sure, it was a question. A rhetorical one. -
11-04-2011, 05:47 AMCoglinAgain people making ASSumption. Telling us what we really meant. When in fact a question is a question and a statement is a statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inaaca
No need to childishly accuse me of changing my stance, when your incapable of seperating the meaning of a question and a statement. -
11-04-2011, 05:51 AMAndrien
THM don't have Cure or stuff like Stoneskin and Protect natively, that fact shouldn't be a big surprise. I wonder how classes is going to change after the adjustments.
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11-04-2011, 05:55 AMInaacaAs Wynn said, you made a rhetorical question, so we're treating it as such. The fact that you're denying something we can clearly read is absurd.Quote:
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But yeah, I'm done. I'd like to have an intelligent debate, but that's not going to happen anytime soon if this is how you're going to be acting. -
11-04-2011, 06:09 AMPrettyPrincess
whatever, I have all battlecraft at 50 anyways lol
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11-04-2011, 06:16 AMCoglinhttp://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-of-THM/page11Quote:
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Just sayin. -
11-04-2011, 06:20 AMKiroh
Any interest in magic classes going....
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11-04-2011, 06:23 AMblythe
This thread is cracking me up. I had no idea people were still in denial over this, lol.
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11-04-2011, 06:25 AMKirohI think some people still held out hope that SE wouldn't screw them over.Quote:
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11-04-2011, 06:28 AMCoglinHow did this "screw people over" ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiroh
SE never said one class or the other would be one job or the other, alot of people made those false assumptions. Seems fairly unintelligent to blame SE for that. -
11-04-2011, 06:31 AMKirohBecause I enjoy nuking as a mage but I hate everything about THM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coglin
So yeah I feel pretty screwed.
I also believe (personal opinion incoming) that SE is using this as an excuse to avoid putting any work into making CNJ nukes look half decent because they look like shit atm and because CNJ won't be using them on their 'job' there's no need to fix them.
(Just to be clear, I assumed as soon as they removed AoE toggle on cures and gave CNJ the only AoE cure that they would probably be the healer class. I was just hoping SE would pleasantly surprise me. Today I've learned never to hope for anything from SE...) -
11-04-2011, 06:33 AMblytheSo SE should have designed the job system purely to suit your individual preferences?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiroh
I understand you're disappointed, but what exactly would you rather them have done? Go the other way to please you, and then piss off another whole heap of players? -
11-04-2011, 06:36 AMKopunoEspecially when it takes less then a week to get any Class to 50. I've said it for months THM would be BLM but I still leveled CNJ first (Because I actually like healing). Regardless though, answer this. Out of the lat 10 or so groups that you've done (general question) as a CNJ. What role did you play? Were you the nuker and the THM sitting in the group the healer? Granted as THM I always back up heal when needed. Patch 1.18 pretty much gave everyone the chance to get THM to 50 when they should've known CNJ was going to be, our little whm.Quote:
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11-04-2011, 06:37 AMKirohI'm sorry if people thought a job based around enfeebling should ever be a nuking class? Where this logic came from I'll never understand either. A class that get TWO nukes (two tier 1, two tier two) in their entire freaking arsenal (no wait, Shadowsear so 3) is chosen to be the nuking class over a job that has 6 tier ones, 6 tier two, and 6 ancient magic spells along with 6 tier one elemental enfeebles and 6 tier two.Quote:
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11-04-2011, 06:41 AMCoglinAgain your making ASSumptions, and claiming it makes no sense because you were mistaken. Every other spell thay have besides the 10 % you mention are WHM spells.....how does that 10% deem them BLM ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiroh
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11-04-2011, 06:43 AMKopuno
PS: Why are people still argueing over this stupid subject. It is what it is, if you don't have THM leveled, take a couple hours out of your day standing in Ul'dah and go group. Next week you will have a 50 THM and everything will be just fine.
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11-04-2011, 06:45 AMEstellios
You only need 30 THM at most anyways =P
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11-04-2011, 07:19 AMChango
How could you not see this coming? Conjurer gets Curaga 2 :P
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11-04-2011, 07:20 AMKirohAnd how many of THMs spells are nukes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coglin
A hell of a lot less than 10%. -
11-04-2011, 07:26 AMKirohIt's really not even about the time it'll take to level since, as Este said, you'll probably not even need 50 THM anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kopuno
It's that I don't want to play THM for any reason. I don't like their lore, the story, the spells, the concept. I have never liked anything about THM, even when they had AoE cures and it sucks that SE is giving the DD mage role to a class that has NEVER, EVER been about damage. Even way back when (in Tanaka's days) THM was an Enfeebler and back up healer. It feels kind of like Yoshi just got up one morning as was like "Ok, CNJ = healer, THM = Nuker. My work is done!" -
11-04-2011, 07:28 AMCoglinMaybe you never played FF games before, but BLM had more then nukes. They have negative status effects and debuffs, and WHM raditionally have CURE, shell, protect, and other buffs, as well as the status effect negators (paralyna, silena..and so on).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiroh
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11-04-2011, 07:30 AMKirohMaybe you never played FF games before, but nukes are a REALLY big part of a Black Mage's spell list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coglin
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11-04-2011, 07:31 AMWynnIt's not even 10% anyway. He's pulling figures out of his rear. Almost the entirety of the CON repertoire is BLM spells as I know you are aware, but it bears mentioning none-the-less because some people seem be less so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiroh
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11-04-2011, 07:39 AMKirohTrue, but most people never complained much about THM nukes because THM was never considered by the community at large to be the nuking class, at least until Yoshi decreed it so.Quote:
Originally Posted by ellohwell
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11-04-2011, 07:40 AMCoglin
Thats it boys keeps on pushing it.
Your angry because you were making incorrect ASSumptions. Keep on pushing the logic of how the devs chose the wrong mage class for the wrong job. I am certain you will convinve all of us and the devs of the error of our ways. -
11-04-2011, 07:43 AMKirohYou think saying ASS enough times is going to embarass or shame people into changing their view on this?Quote:
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Your trolling is bad and you should feel bad. -
11-04-2011, 07:56 AMCoglinwhere did I say ass? I said ASSumption. Its a word....look it up. Is also a word that defines the incorrect presupposition that so many came to when they deided CON was to be BLM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiroh
Your trolling is bad and you should feel bad. -
11-04-2011, 08:21 AMAnswa
making this thread.
Why do people take this shit so seriously? -
11-04-2011, 08:27 AMRentahamsterhttp://i.imgur.com/UBXzu.gifQuote:
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11-04-2011, 08:30 AMAnswaThat... is an awesome .gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Rentahamster
And I don't, lol. I'm leveling THM as I write this. Read along to see what I've said. No biggie. -
11-04-2011, 08:44 AMEstellios
We can't lock our own threads can we? You have grown as a person and moved on, OP. Thus the story should end.