Compensation for the early Sub fee

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

The OP's suggestions are decent, but I don't think they go far enough.

Therefore, I have put forth some additional demands that I feel my $12 entitles me to (beyond playing the game):

• Manditory GPS trackers on Yoshi-P and each team member so we know where they are at all times and can gauge their sleep/work/freetime ratio.
• Personal phone numbers and e-mail addresses of each and every FFXIV dev member so that we can reach them at home and demand status updates on 2.0.
• VPN access to all the dev computers so that we can make changes to things we aren't happy with.
• Access to all SQEX employee vacation/personal time off records, so that we can approve any time away from the project.
• Access to all SQEX employee medical records just in case they try to take a sick day - We need to be able to verify that they are telling the truth.
• A large monitor wall where we can post images of ourselves so that when the workers enter the building, they can bow to us and sing a song in our praises.
• Motivational posters like this one in every cubical, and on every desktop wallpaper.http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2...ndaposterh.jpg

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This gives me an idea for an Operation: OSE movement... XD

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Originally Posted by Nikita

Every time I read this part it makes me laugh.

This seems like it would be a major invasion of their privacy.

I am happy with the live letters from the producer.

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Yeah, and just imagine the webcam getting hacked so everyone gets forced to watch pr0nz... lol

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Originally Posted by Antipika

Off course if you take it this way, they could, just like Blizzard could close WoW tomorrow if they wanted to. That's not the point here, off course we all know that any company can shut down any product when they want. The fact that XIV is a part of the main FF series kinda forced SE to fight in order to try and improve the game. They aren't doing it just for the small XIV fanbase to be happy, but for their overall image, and for all non XIV players but fans of the FF franchise. SE just couldn't let a "numbered title" in the series just vanish like that. It would be a shame for SE and to the whole FF franchise. (we all heard Wada already)

If XIV was made by a smaller company, wasn't a "14th" but a #1, I hardly doubt it would still be living as of now. The company wouldn't care. When you start a brand new project that's not a part of the series, if your whole concept fail, you just give up and move on to something else.

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The difference, though, is nobody would ever think to demand Blizzard shut down WoW. It is far too profitable. If SE's majority shareholders get tired of the company hemorrhaging money trying to keep XIV up, they could very well demand the company pull the plug on this project. Not saying it is going to happen. Just that it is a realistic possibility, numbered title or not.

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Originally Posted by Antipika

Off course if you take it this way, they could, just like Blizzard could close WoW tomorrow if they wanted to. That's not the point here, off course we all know that any company can shut down any product when they want. The fact that XIV is a part of the main FF series kinda forced SE to fight in order to try and improve the game. They aren't doing it just for the small XIV fanbase to be happy, but for their overall image, and for all non XIV players but fans of the FF franchise. SE just couldn't let a "numbered title" in the series just vanish like that. It would be a shame for SE and to the whole FF franchise. (we all heard Wada already)

If XIV was made by a smaller company, wasn't a "14th" but a #1, I hardly doubt it would still be living as of now. The company wouldn't care. When you start a brand new project that's not a part of the series, if your whole concept fail, you just give up and move on to something else.



Not true at all, for most of people maybe, but not everyone. We have seen that a lot with artists releasing their work (could it be music, or books/comics) for free and leaving the consumer the choice to give a little something (sometime a lot), or just get the stuff for free.

Surprisingly enough, lot of people are willing to pay if they enjoy the product they got. The same goes for donations when it comes to freeware, lot of users are will to help the authors.

Off course that's far from being the majority, we all agree on that :p

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donations and choosing not to pay are not the same thing

there will be people willing to donate, you always have those types too

but fact remains, if something can be free, people will want it to be free over paying any day of the week

While I agree with the second comment, OP's idea would be pretty interesting. Just for like a week though; even a few days. I'd love to see their inner workings, but its not really.. Fair? for them to always be being watched for over a year lol, y'know? I mean, they already do so much, for us to take their privacy away is just wrong.

Again though, It would be cool just to briefly get a view into their work day.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

uuummmmm Beef Stroganoff ^.^ love this stuff
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beef_Stroganoff

and woh Issac chill out man, I did not agree with the OP myself but lord you need a pill or somethin ;p

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yum... sounds tastier than the lamb chops i been eating.

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Originally Posted by Mudd

While I agree with the second comment, OP's idea would be pretty interesting. Just for like a week though; even a few days. I'd love to see their inner workings, but its not really.. Fair? for them to always be being watched for over a year lol, y'know? I mean, they already do so much, for us to take their privacy away is just wrong.

Again though, It would be cool just to briefly get a view into their work day.

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personally people are taking the ops idea way out of proportion lol. yea live footage would not be legal but just vids that say the dev teams actually makes, greeting everyone letting people get to know them a little better, i can see why TRUE fans would want to see something like this.

it don't actually have to be for just subs either lol it would be good pr and something that even people outside of these forums might want to see.

but of course people see compensation. and go RAWR NERDRAGE COMPENSATION ARE YOU KIDDING ME.then start trolling her till she quits game 9 post later lol.

Holy sense of entitlement, Batman.

That said, I wouldn't mind if there were even more "notes from development", because I'm a sucker for the behind-the-scenes stuff.

Then again, anything that'd take any energy away from them actually putting out a finished product on time? No thanks.

I like the idea of having an "Aerial Camera" flying around Eorzea, and showing us what players are doing!

Maybe, players that are currently playing, and will keep playing and paying when 2.0 is released (or before), can get some exclusive item. They said that it will be several montures. Maybe we can get 1 exclusive Golden Chocobo, or something, or a set of armor, like the Onion set.

Dunno. It would be nice If we get some reward to play an "unfinished" game, even when is not unfinished, but just don't have the quality that it may have.

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Originally Posted by YUGON

I like the idea of having an "Aerial Camera" flying around Eorzea, and showing us what players are doing!

Maybe, players that are currently playing, and will keep playing and paying when 2.0 is released (or before), can get some exclusive item. They said that it will be several montures. Maybe we can get 1 exclusive Golden Chocobo, or something, or a set of armor, like the Onion set.

Dunno. It would be nice If we get some reward to play an "unfinished" game, even when is not unfinished, but just don't have the quality that it may have.

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we are getting rewarded

what part of exclusive content thats being removed at 2.0 arent people understanding?

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

I am getting rewarded

what part of Pointless content thats being removed at 2.0 arent people understanding?

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fixed that for you.

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Originally Posted by irongripz

fixed that for you.

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Actually, the original quote was more accurate. Just because you choose not to involve with it doesn't make it useless or make it apply to only one person.

Nice fail though.

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Originally Posted by irongripz

fixed that for you.

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Wow, are you sure you're fixing his post? that hijacking his post. not fixing.

:sigh: I really wish there was a delete thread button... I had to come back and see how immature people were getting and sadly I was right... Just like ignorant people to take things out of context and imply I mean something horrid like spying or chinese sweat shop blah blah... yea cause I totally meant that... morons... Really do I have to be so descriptive and use simple meanings to help you understand what I meant or did I read it wrong?

I'll just start with this, I'm currently in school for Computer Animation and take pleasure in observing the masters make their masterpieces. I could sit for hours and watch someone draw concept art, build models, animate, even work on the games code or under the hood sort of speak. Now that I think about it and reread it for the 11th time that maybe this was only a good idea for myself. However, I see now one truly understood what I meant but instead of politely asking for clarification most of you people went over board with communist jokes and in some cases telling me I'm creepy or willing to violate someones privacy when clearly I did not.

I get it no one cares how a game is made they just care about playing it and paying $13 to play a game is enough of a prize for a subscriber... I get it bad idea whoopy... Also people assume I hate the idea of having to pay a sub for this game right now... If I did then tell me why I've updated my billing info so they can have my money so I can keep playing?

So here in big bold italicized letters I will explain so everyone can see and hopefully understand what I was thinking during the process of creating this post.

As I poured over the schedule for 1.20 to v2.0 I drooled hard and muttered "Shit I'll pay the sub just to watch them fix the damn thing and not even play it." Why you ask? It's not everyday you get to publicly witness the rebirth of a game thats already been launched. I don't want to just play FFXIV I want to get my "front row seat tickets, sit at the side lines and cheer the team on all the while star struck and honored that I get to be apart of the development process witnessing it from ground zero." for those children who don't understand everything in the quotations or (") marks thats a metaphor look it up if you don't know what it means.

I don't care how they do it I gave some suggestions but of course they were bad and I too am very happy for the live letters from the producers. I just simply want to say "I was watching when they made this dungeon, it was crazy at one point they did this but it didn't work, yoshi-p had like 3 packs of cigarettes and I've never seen a monster get designed in from concept to fully polished 3D model that fast before. It was fucking awesome, Oh and this one time I contributed to a forum post and we all watched them create that idea from us straight from our posts alone, at one point I think he referenced my reply!" just letting my imagination get away with me of course... I just want to be immersed in to the background stuff... but you guys don't really care about that stuff so eh whatever.

The gaming industry has come a long way but it's community is turning in to trash. Seriously I think they need to consider a Gamer License to weed the ignorant "oh I'm gonna go buy madden NFL 2011, 12 and 13 and Call of duty 5, 6, 7 oh and I've played WoW for so many years I need a change hmm Rift and Star Wars: The old republic look nice. I don't think I'm gonna like Guild Wars 2 because it doesn't play like Guild Wars 1, oh lets not forget I bought street fighter 4 but now theres super SF4 and then SF vs tekken looks good I don't think I would have played it if it didn't play like SF4. I want exploitive game companies to recycle games and charge me full price for the same thing because I love their cold hard steel up my rectum... yea I'm talking about Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3... >.< a patch would have sophist I mean why did I buy a 120g Ps3 if no ones going to utilize the space... OH WAIT the company is greedy and the idiots feed them money so they keep doing it." Sorry about the rant totally off topic I've been working 12 hour work weeks I'm gone

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Originally Posted by Liniont

:sigh: I really wish there was a delete thread button... I had to come back and see how immature people were getting and sadly I was right... Just like ignorant people to take things out of context and imply I mean something horrid like spying or chinese sweat shop blah blah... yea cause I totally meant that... morons... Really do I have to be so descriptive and use simple meanings to help you understand what I meant or did I read it wrong?

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So apply for a damn internship. Don't ask them to have a 24/7 feed so that you and thousands of others can criticize every little thing they do.

Occasional office videos on youtube I can see. But a live feed? You're calling me immature? Think below the surface. You might not take advantage of it, but do you really think the average person won't take something and run with it?

I promise you, most developers like to lead private lives. If you're in school for CA and you also happen to not mind having your future tasks in progress and possibly your face plastered across the world for all subscribers to see, more power to you. Not to mention, as others have said, that this goes against many commonly used business practice.

But let's look at the flip-side. If a service like that were ever made available, it would cost a hell of a lot more than 13-15/mo, I assure you.

In summation, have some damn empathy for the dev's personal space needs. Think about it long enough and you might just realize who is truly being ignorant and immature. Check yourself.

We are getting story content unique to us playing pre version 2,0 which is all i realy want from SE. More story content.

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

Why do people keep saying FFIXV is "incomplete"? It is my understanding that no MMO is complete until it shuts downs.

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Wada said the game did not meet the level of quality people had come to expect from the Final Fantasy series. Yoshi-P said the game could not even be called an MMO without some features that are still missing, like a proper player search. Straight from the company president and from the game director, it has been said that this game still does not meet a certain standard. Until it meets that standard, it will be considered to be unfinished.

I'm completely against the whole idea of setting up cameras to watch them work. Now what'd be nice of course is more frequent updates on plans, maybe some concept art here and there, and definitely something like the Vana'diel Winds they had going on back then. I still don't however feel any of this is owed to us. But personally? I'd settle for more in-game lore being shown to us. And definitely more info on the races to come (and possible races they may add in the future.) when 2.0 is released. Look at it this way really, the more time they spend communicating with us via reports, camera feeds, and all this other stuff you're asking for, that's less time they're spending on getting 2.0 ready.

Which would you prefer, getting FFXIV 2.0 on-time (or sooner) or later than what's scheduled? I think the answer would be obvious here.

EDIT: I forgot to add that in my book, they've pretty much won my trust back. People seem to forget that the Square Enix we have now, and the one from a year ago are far different. The company has made leaps and bounds beyond anything they'd normally do. They've issued an apology for their folly on the game's release, they're communicating with us far more than they have in the last 8 or so years I can recall since I first started playing FFXI originally. One year ago if you asked the devs to consider this feature or that, they'd give you a generic "we'll think about it" response.

Now, come November 3rd we'll see yet another LIVE broadcast from the producer himself, Yoshi-P. During this, he'll be looking at answering questions ON THE SPOT as they're asked. Try to get this type of customer service from the Square Enix a year ago. If you can't look at all the drastic changes they've made over the past year since everything happened then I don't know what else will convince you that they're worth putting trust in again. That's my two cents on the subject.

It doesn't matter if the game is finished or not, the question that ppl have to do @him/herself is "Am I getting enough fun for this?". If u get fun u'll stay, if not u'll stop playing.

Any online game will be never "finished", cause the dev team will always make new things to keep players. For me FFXI was "finished", played a lot of time, but I stopped playing when it becomes bored for me.

Btw, maybe the OP idea wasn't a good one (I'm against the video thing) but at least she got an idea, and no for think that isnt good i'll say that is garbage. Maybe the item reward will be better, something like Aion does, a reward for ppl but NO obligation of SE, but rather a gift for thank players or something.

I know that my english is poor, so plz be good guys >.<

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

Wada said the game did not meet the level of quality people had come to expect from the Final Fantasy series. Yoshi-P said the game could not even be called an MMO without some features that are still missing, like a proper player search. Straight from the company president and from the game director, it has been said that this game still does not meet a certain standard. Until it meets that standard, it will be considered to be unfinished.

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yep yep yep..more like MO not mmo

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Originally Posted by Alerith

Actually, the original quote was more OPINIONS. Just because you choose not to involve with it doesn't make it USEFULL or make it apply to EVERYONE

I fail though.

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Fixed that for you.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

we are getting rewarded

what part of exclusive content thats being removed at 2.0 arent people understanding?

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That's what I've been saying. What greater compensation in an MMO than to witness the actual history of the world? To be a part of it, to watch the events of future lore unfold firsthand. I dunno, to me that seems pretty cool. So we can say to new players after 2.0:

"You know how long I've been playing? There were TWO moons up there in my day." (That's assuming Dalamud does go all Majora's Mask on us)

I dunno, I'm thinking any earned through the "Year-long seasonal event" will be kind of like our exclusive "veteran" players items.

Anyone thinking we're actually entitled to anything is delusional. We got more than a year so far subscription-free, I can't think of any other company that has or would do that for one of their games. Through the worst of it we didn't pay a single cent and the game has come a long way since. With the progress that's been made, personally I feel like it's enough to ask that we pay. The game still has its issues but it's far from the unplayable mess we had a year ago.

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

Wow, are you sure you're fixing his OPINIONS? that CORRECTING his post. not hijacking.

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got you takin care of too. any more opinions you want to force on others?

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Originally Posted by Liniont

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Already explained it's against certain laws and would be overly risky to set up live feeds in the work space. They've already shown us glimpses into their daily work during the end of Beta, however setting up a live feed, laws aside says:

"Hey, you people from other companies? Come watch our in progress programming and modeling before things are copyrighted and protected, then maybe if you're fast enough you can copyright it yourself and force us to do something new and delay an update."

That's the risk portion the law portion is there has to be a certain amount of privacy given to employees and having cameras everywhere violates that. This is why I said it's not that it was never a thought of idea, because for example in our development studio we have webcams for skype communication, it's the fact that showing people outside of the company isn't always wise, and why companies like Bungie for example will show you in Vdocs after the fact so nothing can be in essence, stolen.

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Just like ignorant people to take things out of context and imply I mean something horrid like spying or chinese sweat shop blah blah... yea cause I totally meant that... morons...

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If you want a delete thread button..calling people morons will definitely close this thread quickly >.>

I worked for a place that had cameras set on everyone in the store including the employees. Hello paranoia,I quit that place as soon as I could. This isn't reality TV. And damn the media for ever introducing reality crap to begin with. Ugh.

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Originally Posted by Cendres

I worked for a place that had cameras set on everyone in the store including the employees. Hello paranoia,I quit that place as soon as I could. This isn't reality TV. And damn the media for ever introducing reality crap to begin with. Ugh.

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More like damn audience who is always asking for more and more. Blame them.

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Originally Posted by Antipika

More like damn audience who is always asking for more and more. Blame them.

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Yeah well that's a bit of a chicken or the egg debate right there. ^_^;;

The devs will be closing this thread soon, I bet.

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Originally Posted by smokymcweed

why would i want to watch ppl work a free item yea maybe but i can live with out it op is being elitist thinking they deserv something shutup and play the game

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OP is not being elitist. I too payed 75$ for the colloectors edition AND preorder. I payed 75$ for a little fancy journal and an incomplete failure of a game. I have stuck through it and played and criticized. If they are going to re-sub me when the game is STILL incomplete, they either need to lower the sub till the game is complete OR give vets compensation for subbing before they consider the game "complete".

Also, they don't have the code to give us items. Just btw.

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Originally Posted by Alerith

Yes, sense of entitlement.

You are getting an exclusive story line. You aren't entitled to any more than that. Simply because "the game is not complete" is your opinion. In my opinion, 1.20 will be launch worthy. Opinion and nothing more.

You aren't required to pay and push through to 2.0. You don't have to support the whole time. If you do, you get an exclusive event, which, in all honesty, will probably come with some shiny "Keep Rockin' in Midgar" item.

This amounts to nothing more than a "Please sir, can I have some more?"

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Axtually you are completely wrong with the simple fact that YOSHI-P said himself the game is "incomplete". Who wants to pay 75$+subs for a game that the creators feel is incomplete? Who wants to pay 20$(amazon price)+sub for an "incomplete" game? Excluding fanboys, no one with sense and self respect.

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Originally Posted by Sarchy_Warchy

OP is not being elitist. I too payed 75$ for the colloectors edition AND preorder. I payed 75$ for a little fancy journal and an incomplete failure of a game. I have stuck through it and played and criticized. If they are going to re-sub me when the game is STILL incomplete, they either need to lower the sub till the game is complete OR give vets compensation for subbing before they consider the game "complete".

Also, they don't have the code to give us items. Just btw.

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refund plz ty.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/--...iw9so1_500.jpg

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Originally Posted by Liniont

Tell me something when you pay for a meal at a restaurant are you not entitled to a completely cooked and edible meal?

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the game is playable and MANY players are having fun ... this is the equal to a properly cooked meal. comment owned k thanks :p

not enjoying your food? (dont enjoy the game)
eat somewhere else... (go play lolWoW)

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Originally Posted by Liniont

I propose something similar but within the developer’s office, we would like to watch you all work on v2.0 almost like we watch sports on television or a reality TV show without the commentary or “drama” just work like you have been day by day and forget the camera’s are there. Set up live 24/7 webcam feeds behind key members of the developing team including over Yoshi-p’s desk and all meetings with adequate audio and video. We want to see the inner workings and provide our own play by plays and speculation. Also post on a blog all concept art and someone who will show us video footage of current in house builds and shows us what’s been changed and what bugs are there and where progress is on v2.0.

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How about. . .

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Originally Posted by Sarchy_Warchy

Axtually you are completely wrong with the simple fact that YOSHI-P said himself the game is "incomplete". Who wants to pay 75$+subs for a game that the creators feel is incomplete? Who wants to pay 20$(amazon price)+sub for an "incomplete" game? Excluding fanboys, no one with sense and self respect.

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but 1.20 is the time when the produces feels it is "complete", the producer said it himself. you want to pay or not, its up to you, quit this complete/uncomplete nonsense

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Originally Posted by Aion

but 1.20 is the time when the produces feels it is "complete", the producer said it himself. you want to pay or not, its up to you, quit this complete/uncomplete nonsense

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^ This. Whether people like it or not, payments are returning, and no amount of whining is going to change it (and yes, that's what I feel these various threads amount to). If you enjoy the game enough to play, you should enjoy it enough to pay. If not, there are plenty of f2p games out there you can switch to (I recommend LotRO or CoH).

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

^ This. Whether people like it or not, payments are returning, and no amount of whining is going to change it (and yes, that's what I feel these various threads amount to). If you enjoy the game enough to play, you should enjoy it enough to pay. If not, there are plenty of f2p games out there you can switch to (I recommend LotRO or CoH).

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ANNNNNNNNNNNNNNnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnndddddddddddd not to forget DCUO goes F2P too as well.

wait CoH is F2P? when did that happen?

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

wait CoH is F2P? when did that happen?

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go to website and it say Play for free now.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

wait CoH is F2P? when did that happen?

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Just a few weeks ago. City of Heroes: Freedom

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Originally Posted by Liniont

(Super Long post - #133)

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I doubt you'll be back to read any more after how you've been treated in this thread... (I wish I could send this in a private message so I'd know you'd see it..)
I can't help but shake my head in disgust at how so many people on these forums turn to personal attacks rather than simply posting disagreement with someone's idea.
I wasn't quite sure what to think of the OP, but after this post it's quite obvious to me that you were just looking at things in a way most people can't understand. I understand that you just thought it would be neat to see behind-the-scenes things.
I don't believe you to be selfish, greedy, ignorant, immature, or any of the other harsh words people have thrown at you. Some things said were enough to make a sensitive person break down in tears. There's no reason to be attacked like that for suggesting an idea. Whether it be realistic or not.

I hope that all these bad apples rolling around on these forums haven't spoiled the forums for you, though I will say they are plentiful. :\ I'm sorry for your bad experience here. I hope that in the future people think before they type.