male miqo'te - How would you like it to look?

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Originally Posted by Wynn

His name is David Gaider. He works for BioWare.

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Never heard of him, but I should look this man up. :x Giving to those who are usually discriminated against and left out... He has my respect. I hate when we don't have equal rights and options.

SE did a good thing putting some bi/homo flirting in XIV already. I'm proud of them. X3
I like that they've made it "ok" in Eorzea to be who you want. Encouraging equality~

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Originally Posted by Wynn

But you already have masculine choices to choose from where as the person that wants the feminine male has none. Why should they have no options so that you can have one more?

To quote a very wise man in the gaming industry when faced with a similar predicament:

"the truth is that privilege always lies with the majority. They're so used to being catered to that they see the lack of catering as an imbalance. They don't see anything wrong with having things set up to suit them, what's everyone's fuss all about? That's the way it should be, any everyone else should be used to not getting what they want."

Obviously they are adding this option to offer an alternative that does not currently exist. Why should you really expect them to give you yet another option and deny others who don't even have one to their liking?

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At what point did I say you should deny anyone anything? I said, at the end of my post, they should give the ability to let people make what they want instead of pigeon-holing everyone. As cute as your wise-man post is it is absolutely meaningless to the context of what I said.

Fact of the matter is you think people should only have the option of making sissy cat-men while I said people should have both options and above. Take your own advice from your redundant quote.

Hiir needs boobs. ; ;

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Originally Posted by Vackashken

At what point did I say you should deny anyone anything? I said, at the end of my post, they should give the ability to let people make what they want instead of pigeon-holing everyone. As cute as your wise-man post is it is absolutely meaningless to the context of what I said.

Fact of the matter is you think people should only have the option of making sissy cat-men while I said people should have both options and above. Take your own advice for your redundant quote.

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Here Here... more options for the win. ;)

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

Hiir needs boobs. ; ;

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No, the extra fat will ruin my Hiir stew.

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Originally Posted by ArcheustheWise

Here Here... more options for the win. ;)

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Exactly. Games much older have faaaaaaaaaaaar superior character creating abilities. People want to make yaoi cat-men they should be able to. If people want to make more masculine cat-men they should be able to.

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Originally Posted by Zion_Cross

Hey guys, I'm sure you've all seen the concept art for the new races... So I noticed in the roadmap, they show the concept of the male miqote to be a bit... too feminine... In all honesty I wouldn't see myself changing to that race if they looked like a girly guy.

Now hear me out... Wouldn't you, the people wanting the male miqote race to be a playable character, wish for it to be a little bit more manly? Like imagine a male miqote with similar body features like the famous Bruce lee had a firm core, toned. However his chest size is too big to be that one of a male miqote... Here's my depiction of what a male miqote should look like:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/6582904...ream/lightbox/

The shoulders would be broad, the chest size not too much, the core would be toned and a bit built, but still slim. The Forearms could be a bit more broad or just the normal size. I wish for the image of the male miqote to become more bad ass in general. To have similarities of the race, just not look like a girly boy.

Note: It's a quick doodle, just wanted to emphasize on the body's form.

Edit: At first glance I thought they looked a bit too feminine. But we haven't seen the animations and mannerisms yet, so I'll hold back on any further critique. Let's see how it unfolds in the future.

Discuss further on your thoughts bout the concept!

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Well I wish they weren't too feminin >__<
Cuz the Miqo'tes (female ones) are already very sexy and feminin (and kinda girlish looking)
Therefore I would like the male ones to be pretty too, but not too feminin looking, otherwise you can't differ them (hope that sounds correct xD)

I don't really want their face to be "too" soft with thin eyebrows. that kinda looks weird for a man >__>
I really like your scribble btw. Zion and like on the real artwork I like how they draw the ears of a male Miqo'te. :3
Let's hope they keep that cuz it looks cute and is something else (ya I know in XI they looked the same =P)
well here's a quick scribble I did how I would like their faces. (not too thin eyebrows, still bishi looking so they have something with the female miqotes in common -> but not too soft) ya and dishevelled/wild looking hair looks awesome *giggle* (ah and I tried not to draw a tiny nose =P)

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/4738/manqotetest.jpg

If People are going to ask to be able to customize male miqo'te to look more manly, I want to ask for a skinny-ass feminine-looking male hyur. Can I haz pretty boy hyur man?

Edit: For serious though~ Perhaps, rather than making this male Miqo'te thread into an "I want options thread, " someone should start that thread right now for more body types, for it to be better organized, on-topic, and easier seen by the community reps. Then those who agree can go post in there. I'd go leave a post.

Hiir cries whenever she's mistaken for a male Lalafell. ; ;

there are already enough manly races in this game and other mmo's if you dont like the feminen look wich btw isnt considered feminen in japan.. stick with a hyur

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

Hiir cries whenever she's mistaken for a male Lalafell. ; ;

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*giggle*
when I saw a char like urs running around I also thought it was a male Lalafell xD
Then there was another one (with same hair, just other colour and different eyes) running around in her underwear it was like .. OMG! that's a female Lalafell x'DDDD

but back to topic. well I still like the original design of male miqo'tes also the body figure (not sure if that word exists xD) but I hope we can change their face enough so they don't look too feminin.
A smaller body is ok, cuz cats need to be agile and fast ... but men doesn't need to look like woman! ^^

Some people keep forgetting that this is a Japanese RPG.

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Originally Posted by Pitri

there are already enough manly races in this game and other mmo's if you dont like the feminen look wich btw isnt considered feminen in japan.. stick with a hyur

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No

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

Hiir cries whenever she's mistaken for a male Lalafell. ; ;

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I totally thought you were a guy all this time. Geez...

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Originally Posted by wer

So you're essentially saying that all characters should be visually unappealing? I'm sorry but this is a Final Fantasy game, EVERY FF game has attractive-looking characters in them. It's just part of how the series is. If you don't like characters being handsome, pretty or cute then play WoW or something. It's not like these characters are literally stripping and dancing around naked either.

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Actually that's not what I said at all, but thanks for putting words in my mouth.

Honestly, while the male miqo'te may look more feminine than other male races, I don't think they look like women. They're quite handsome, and the one with the white hair looked pretty rugged and manly if you ask me. The other two just looked young... boyish. But female miqo'te look pretty young too. I think they suit each other very well.

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Originally Posted by Nabiri

Honestly, while the male miqo'te may look more feminine than other male races, I don't think they look like women. They're quite handsome, and the one with the white hair looked pretty rugged and manly if you ask me. The other two just looked young... boyish. But female miqo'te look pretty young too. I think they suit each other very well.

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They look womanly to me by face (somewhat) but by for more-so in stature.

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Originally Posted by Vackashken

They look womanly to me by face (somewhat) but by for more-so in stature.

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ya thats exactly what I mean.
they can keep the feminin/slim figure but at least their faces should look kinda manly so they doesn't look like a flat chested female miqote >__<

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

Male mi'qote go WAY past "a little" femininity. They basically exist only to serve the sexual appetite of certain female gamers. Kind of like Vaan or the entire male cast of XIII besides the black guy.

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Not really. I'm a straight guy and I like the designs. It's a matter of preference, some people DO like these designs on their merits. It would probably be best to not group everyone in like that with such blanket statements.

i dont want them to be muscular at-all hell i wanted to make my Miqote look Shota-esque as possible. dependin on how they update the customization i might be able to get something in the 14 year old range.
anyways legit anime-like catboys or gtfo~:3

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Originally Posted by Pitri

there are already enough manly races in this game and other mmo's if you dont like the feminen look wich btw isnt considered feminen in japan.. stick with a hyur

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This.

Yay for feminine looking catboys^.^ Purrr

Female miqotes are girlier than female midlanders, so I really doubt the male will be manlier than male midlanders.

Since females are currently Lalafell > Miqote > Elzen > (Highlander?) > Roegydn when it comes in size/girlishness/whatever.

It'll probably be Lalafell > M(an)iqote > Midlander > Elzen > Highlander > Roegydn for bulk/size in the males.

That'll keep midlander as the middle of the road default type of character as it was always been intended to be.

They should make them like Kimahri from FFX.

Sure there are a few muscular character models but there are no models that really scream out fantasy.
I for one don not want them to look like hyur boys with cat ears and a tail...

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Originally Posted by Zion_Cross

If you think "cat man" yea, doesn't sound too manly. But you think more along the lines of Rei from Breath of Fire 3. It's pretty bad ass. It's the silent killer attitude/look that sets him off. I can see the game still going through with the effeminate male miqote, I wouldn't mind. Hell I'd probably still try it out lol. I want to see what the community thinks.

Effeminate Male Miqote? or Bad Ass Male Miqote?

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I'm hoping for Breath of Fire style cat guys -- more like Tigers and Lions than cats. If I could look like Ajani Goldmane I'd be set.

Personally, I'm tired of the effeminate BS. If you want to look like a little girl, play as a female character...

Then again, maybe I'm just raging because I'm tired of living in Skinny Jean America.

Hyur don't look masculine by the way, they look like wusses, especially the 99% of them which are cloud wanna'bes. (New cloud, not the original FF7 one)

Hell, even that bard NPC is a cloud wanna'be.

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Originally Posted by ViolentDjango

I'm hoping for Breath of Fire style cat guys -- more like Tigers and Lions than cats. If I could look like Ajani Goldmane I'd be set.

Personally, I'm tired of the effeminate BS. If you want to look like a little girl, play as a female character...

Then again, maybe I'm just raging because I'm tired of living in Skinny Jean America.

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Albeit I don't think I'd like that (its badass but not FF) I'd much rather that then the sissy yaoi-catmen some people seem to be drooling over. That said, I've said it several times and I'll say it again: They should up the creation tools big time so people can have their emaciated effeminate girly-catmen and let people who want a more robust character have theirs.

Everyone wins.

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Originally Posted by Vackashken

Albeit I don't think I'd like that (its badass but not FF) I'd much rather that then the sissy yaoi-catmen some people seem to be drooling over. That said, I've said it several times and I'll say it again: They should up the creation tools big time so people can have their emaciated effeminate girly-catmen and let people who want a more robust character have theirs.

Everyone wins.

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I think every race needs to have both "super masculine" and "[censored as "girly" for derogatory language]" males. That way, us manly men can curb stomp the girl guys in PvP.

Side note, Khimari Ronso says hi.

Frankly, I wish they had gone with FF Tactics races... Viera, Muu, and Bangaa would have been awesome.

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Originally Posted by ViolentDjango

Side note, Khimari Ronso says hi.

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Hah, fair enough.

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

Hyur don't look masculine by the way, they look like wusses[...].

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They just look the way about 90% of real life men look like..maybe some people just want to look kind of..normal ingame, instead of looking like a green or red giant packed with muscles:p
Not saying anything bad about Rogaedyn or Highlanders though, it's just..they aren't my cup of tea.

I do realize there are people who strongly oppose a feminine looking male Miquo'te, but really, you already have two whole races which can satisfy your needs.
Now I want eye candy for people like me who like their kitties a bit different >:3

Basically, I don't even want them to look feminine.
I just want them to look boyish, not all that grown up yet.
Female Miquo'tes hardly look older than 14-17 either, so..to fit them, I don't want 30+ years old furry lover fun.
I understand some may fear they become yaoi bait, but..that's exactly what I want them to be, haha xD
So I don't want this:
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/image.../02/catboy.jpg
But not this either:
http://images.cosplay.com/i/members/200/24651.jpg
But I want this:D
http://beingsofnight.weebly.com/uplo...51/5880876.jpg

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

Actually that's not what I said at all, but thanks for putting words in my mouth.

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Don't put words in his mouth, that's not what he want's you to put in his mouth.

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Originally Posted by ViolentDjango

I think every race needs to have both "super masculine" and "[censored as "girly" for derogatory language]" males. That way, us manly men can curb stomp the girl guys in PvP.

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Assuming the censor was to cover up a derogatory word for gay men, how will you feel when you get curb stomped by a cute slender built "girly" catboy?

I'm all for girly men, especially if they're kitties~

nya~cat

It's funny how the female Roe are gonna be like 200x more manly than the male miqote :P

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Originally Posted by Lavani

Assuming the censor was to cover up a derogatory word for gay men, how will you feel when you get curb stomped by a cute slender built "girly" catboy?

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Girly men =/= gay men.

Thanks for being pretentious though. Sorry that I don't like stupidly feminine guys? At least if you're gay there's a reason for it, but being girly just for the sake of being girly is weird as hell to me -- especially if you're supposedly straight.

Interestingly enough, I'm not a fan of the fact you feel that they are the same thing. One of my best friends is a distinct masculine homosexual fellow, so I'm not even sure why you'd jump to the conclusion that what I was attempting to trash gay people... Oh right, I know. Its that whole pretentious thing.

Additionally, thanks for taking the joke waaaay too seriously.

To answer your question though -- I wouldn't care, because it's all numbers and they really don't represent -anything- in the real world. The statement was, ironically enough , a joke.

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Originally Posted by Atoli

They just look the way about 90% of real life men look like..maybe some people just want to look kind of..normal ingame, instead of looking like a green or red giant packed with muscles:p
Not saying anything bad about Rogaedyn or Highlanders though, it's just..they aren't my cup of tea.

I do realize there are people who strongly oppose a feminine looking male Miquo'te, but really, you already have two whole races which can satisfy your needs.
Now I want eye candy for people like me who like their kitties a bit different >:3

Basically, I don't even want them to look feminine.
I just want them to look boyish, not all that grown up yet.
Female Miquo'tes hardly look older than 14-17 either, so..to fit them, I don't want 30+ years old furry lover fun.
I understand some may fear they become yaoi bait, but..that's exactly what I want them to be, haha xD
So I don't want this:
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/image.../02/catboy.jpg
But not this either:
http://images.cosplay.com/i/members/200/24651.jpg
But I want this:D
http://beingsofnight.weebly.com/uplo...51/5880876.jpg

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You know, I'm just largely tired of the depiction of heroes as adolescents. Sure, I understand there's a target audience, but I just greatly prefer realistic characters. (that's one thing I hated about FF12, how they recast Vaan as the main character just to have a younger guy as the lead.)

I think they should go the Phantasy Star Online route and just make it so that you can slider-out your character between young and meek to old and burly. That way we can all make our characters suit us perfectly.

Personally, I like my characters to look as much like me as possible, and going with the shortest Highlander is the closest I can get. (not saying a cat man would be closer, just saying options are always nice.)

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Originally Posted by Vackashken

Or alternatively we could voice our opinions and complain about it so we (who don't like it) don't have to get driven away from a race we might want to play as because they're some sissy-boy yaoi reject. Like I said in a previous post if they're updating the games engine they need to do what other games have done for years now and give us a plethora of choices when it comes to character creation.

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How can you be talking about choice when just one sentence earlier you're saying they shouldn't even consider making a male character class different by being less masculine?

I'll answer that for you. It's because you only care about choice suited to YOUR needs, not everyone elses.

Anyway, I don't see why we can't have both. Hyur has pretty varying degrees of "masculinity" so I assume it will be the same deal here.

Male should differ from the female miqo'te just as much as a lion differs from a lioness.


Should come with some nice hairdoos lol. Slightly taller and of course slightly more muscular. Should be no more musuclar than a Midlander and hopefully no less.

Think Inuyasha despite him being a dog

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Originally Posted by Atoli

But I want this:D
http://beingsofnight.weebly.com/uplo...51/5880876.jpg

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I could actually live with that. Not too manly like they should be but still badass.

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Originally Posted by ViolentDjango

Girly men =/= gay men.

Thanks for being pretentious though. Sorry that I don't like stupidly feminine guys? At least if you're gay there's a reason for it, but being girly just for the sake of being girly is weird as hell to me -- especially if you're supposedly straight.

Interestingly enough, I'm not a fan of the fact you feel that they are the same thing. One of my best friends is a distinct masculine homosexual fellow, so I'm not even sure why you'd jump to the conclusion that what I was attempting to trash gay people... Oh right, I know. Its that whole pretentious thing.

Additionally, thanks for taking the joke waaaay too seriously.

To answer your question though -- I wouldn't care, because it's all numbers and they really don't represent -anything- in the real world. The statement was, ironically enough , a joke.

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If that's the case there is no need to censor anything :D. Stupidly feminine guys by your standards? What makes a guy masculine then? Having ripped muscles, hairy chest and being able to change the oil in his own car? To keep with my original statement, "Assuming you censored whatever word or words and used "girly" instead" will lead anyone to assume you meant gay, why else would you censor? So they don't mean the same and i never said they did.

The tone of this thread is starting to remind me of the time I got called a racist for being against botting.

If ViolentDjango is a troll then he fails to deliver.

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Originally Posted by Lavani

If that's the case there is no need to censor anything :D. Stupidly feminine guys by your standards? What makes a guy masculine then? Having ripped muscles, hairy chest and being able to change the oil in his own car? To keep with my original statement, "Assuming you censored whatever word or words and used "girly" instead" will lead anyone to assume you meant gay, why else would you censor? So they don't mean the same and i never said they did.

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You gravely underestimate how vulgar I can be if you think there's only one word in my rhetoric worth censoring... Additionally: joke. I didn't even need to have a word in mind for the joke to work -- its a "fill in the blank with hilarious vulgar language as you see fit" scenario.

Not a fan of trolling, as a side note -- I'm more of a tell someone they're an idiot kind of guy than a lead people into making themselves look like idiots guy. One, its more direct and it relies less on being an annoying twat and two, I just don't need the attention.

Anyway.

Hmm, to answer your question about "what makes a man masculine", its not really a cookie cutter thing -- but yaoi bait boytoys definitely are not anywhere close to the masculinity scale. As far as real life examples go -- I'm not a fan of being in the only guy in a room capable of handling himself if something goes wrong. When crunch time rolls around, girly guys are distinctly useless in my experience -- and frankly I'd rather just have another girl there if I'm going to have to be taking care of people. If I'm on a road trip, for example, and the car breaks down -- if I'm the only one who actually knows how to fix it, it better be because everyone else is either too young to help or a girl. I don't like people who are wastes of space. (Funny enough, I know more girls who can change their own oil than I know guys -- and that bugs the heck out of me, not on the woman side, but on the sadness of the guy side of it) I guess in that example, Masculinity is just a concept of being able to handle a situation -- granted, like I said above, I know more women who could handle a situation like that than I do men, but still the basic concept is typically lent to concepts of the dominant male. Meh, I mean, growing up I helped build the second story to my parent's current house and my Dad is an ex-Marine -- so yeah, my opinion is obviously biased.

Like I said before, I guess I'm just tired of Skinny Jean America and the whole scrawny preteen saving the world from eons old evil forces.

All of that aside, I still think the Phantasy Star Online method of making it so your character can be anything from a 5 year old to a gargantuan body builder would be the best option. I'm a fan of letting anyone do whatever they want -- the specifics of my opinion as they are expressed are unimportant compared to my preference for everyone having their own options.

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Originally Posted by UmJammerSully

I'll answer that for you. It's because you only care about choice suited to YOUR needs, not everyone elses.

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Know wtf you're talking about before you run your mouth.

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Originally Posted by Vackashken

I'll say it again: They should up the creation tools big time so people can have their emaciated effeminate girly-catmen and let people who want a more robust character have theirs.

Everyone wins.

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Originally Posted by Vackashken

I said, at the end of my post, they should give the ability to let people make what they want instead of pigeon-holing everyone.

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Originally Posted by Vackashken

Games much older have faaaaaaaaaaaar superior character creating abilities. People want to make yaoi cat-men they should be able to. If people want to make more masculine cat-men they should be able to.

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Originally Posted by Vackashken

Like I said in a previous post if they're updating the games engine they need to do what other games have done for years now and give us a plethora of choices when it comes to character creation.

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Originally Posted by Vackashken

Again - as aforementioned - hopefully they will give us more choices to satiate everyones preferences.

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