Important Announcement from the Devs!!

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I also don't understand what he's trying to say in the quote above. Not treating the language servers as new worlds? I'm confused. They shouldn't exist in the first place, but what exactly does this mean?

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Originally Posted by Fensfield

.. Please clarify again? ^^;

What does this mean? They're going to make the current servers the language specific ones and players will be forced to either play on servers different from their own language or move to one of the others? Surely that's a bit..

I'm really having a hard time understanding what Naoki Yoshida is saying there. I there really no way to make it any clearer?

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By no means am I trying to one-up Bayohne's translation, but here's my attempt:

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これは既存サーバーはグローバルサーバーとなるんでしょうか。
そうなると言語別サーバーは新設ワールドとして扱われるのでしょうから
既存サーバーにいる人は一定期間あけないと言語別サーバーには行けないという事になるんでしょうか。
期間の長さにもよりますが、友人を誘って言語別サーバーで一緒にプレイしたいと考えている既存プレイヤーは
開始と同時に一緒にプレイしたいと思うでしょうし、その辺りの事を考慮して頂ければ幸いです。
Does this mean that the current serves will all turn into global servers?
If that were the case, then doesn't this mean that because all language-specific servers will be new servers (where there will be a waiting period before people can transfer over), we'll have to wait for a certain period before we can transfer over to these new language-specific servers?
This all really depends on exactly how long the waiting period is going to be, but because I would like to invite a friend over to play and transfer myself to said friend's language-specific server, I would like this issue addressed.

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

はい、この点は考慮していますので、そういった「新設=言語別」のような、
判で押したような仕様にはしませんので、ご安心ください。
Yes, we are aware that instances like this might come up so in order to accommodate, not all language-specific servers will necessarily be new servers (where there will be a waiting period before people can transfer over), so please don't worry.

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You had to kind of read the thread where the question and answer was posted to fully understand what they were saying. Hope this helps.

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Originally Posted by Anapingofness

I dislike the official translation even more.

All it says to me is "We've decided to throw out 90% of what is to be an FF game and instead opted to copy WoW. Oh, and by the way you're paying for all of these things before they're implemented. What? The flop that was FFXIV a year ago? Don't worry about it! You can trust us. This will be awesome!!"

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lamesauce SE...

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Comments like this are what is "lamesauce." They aren't taking out everything that makes it final fantasy, unless you're a firm believer that bad UIs, videocard-melting graphics systems, dysfunctional mechanics, and clunky movement are what makes "final fantasy."

The reason why stuff gets copied from WoW is because WoW did a lot of things right. WoW is hardly perfect of course- The three main things wrong with WoW are:

Hyper overdependence on gear for stats
Terrible, highly judgemental community (Your "Gear score" not high enough? No you can't run this dungeon with us")
Cartoony graphical theme

FFXIV still has none of these problems.

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Originally Posted by Stanislaw

By no means am I trying to one-up Bayohne's translation, but here's my attempt:





You had to kind of read the thread where the question and answer was posted to fully understand what they were saying. Hope this helps.

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So are you saying that they're going to simply label the servers as favoring one language or another?

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

So are you saying that they're going to simply label the servers as favoring one language or another?

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Sorry, I guess my translation was still unclear. I'm not sure where exactly it was mentioned first, but I believe the devs said that when they switch over to the new FFXIV and implement new servers, they will create new transferable servers (most likely the language-specific ones) and new, non-transferable servers (in which players will be unable to transfer into until a undisclosed amount of time). They are doing this so players have the opportunity to start in a completely fresh server that won't plagued by high-level people or people with massive amounts of gil.

Segregated servers are coming because the vast majority of JP are isolationist and hate playing with anyone who doesn't speak Japanese. It doesn't really seem to matter whether we like it or not; they're going to get what they want. Got any JP friends in game? Not anymore after 2.0. No matter how friendly they seem to be toward you they'll migrate to a JP only server the instant SE offers it to them.

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Originally Posted by Raikki

Segregated servers are coming because the vast majority of JP are isolationist and hate playing with anyone who doesn't speak Japanese. It doesn't really seem to matter whether we like it or not; they're going to get what they want. Got any JP friends in game? Not anymore after 2.0. No matter how friendly they seem to be toward you they'll migrate to a JP only server the instant SE offers it to them.

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Racist comments like that will get you banned around here.

It's not really true either. They just don't like to be embarrassed, and that includes not speaking fluent English even around people with English as a second language.

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Originally Posted by Raikki

Segregated servers are coming because the vast majority of JP are isolationist and hate playing with anyone who doesn't speak Japanese. It doesn't really seem to matter whether we like it or not; they're going to get what they want. Got any JP friends in game? Not anymore after 2.0. No matter how friendly they seem to be toward you they'll migrate to a JP only server the instant SE offers it to them.

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I don't know if I would go as far to say that, a lot of JP are so bad at speaking English that they get embarrassed to try. This is why we always see them apologize after a line of broken english.

Japanese people are all about the social aspect, its not "just an exp party" to them, its an experience, a social outing where they meet and talk to people, they can't do that when they don't understand the language being spoken.

NA people meet up and its mostly all about business, "give me my exp fast!" most of the time its not a social outing, you gather, you exp, nobody talks much, its more of a "robotic experience".

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Originally Posted by Burn

NA people meet up and its mostly all about business, "give me my exp fast!" most of the time its not a social outing, you gather, you exp, nobody talks much, its more of a "robotic experience".

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I can't imagine any more of a broad stroke generalization than this, and it's steriotypes from both sides that hurt the game, I have been in tons of Japanese parties that were "All business" and tons of NA parties that were pretty casual friendly affairs.

hell I've had mixed parties where both try their best to put on some form of conversation!

People colouring communities with broad strokes like this ruffles my feathers as it's far from the truth.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

I can't imagine any more of a broad stroke generalization than this, and it's steriotypes from both sides that hurt the game, I have been in tons of Japanese parties that were "All business" and tons of NA parties that were pretty casual friendly affairs.

hell I've had mixed parties where both try their best to put on some form of conversation!

People colouring communities with broad strokes like this ruffles my feathers as it's far from the truth.

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Agreed, and that's why "Language-Specific" servers should have never been a question. I always liked that there were JP players, and even players from other places around the world, playing on the same server as me and my friends. It just made things feel more full and diverse.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Racist comments like that will get you banned around here.

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Flinging accusations of racism is uncalled for. The point was to drive home to the countless people chiming in against the server segregation that this is what the JP community desperately wants and has always wanted from the day SE surprised them with foreigners on their servers in FFXI. There is nothing we can do about it, other than selfishly act like they should be forced to continue playing with us when they don't want to. If my bitterness about the subject has somehow been misconstrued as anti-JP sentiment, let me assure you that's not the message at all. It's simply an acknowledgement of the reality of the situation. If you think it's all about the language barrier, you're missing most of the picture. It's a cultural divide, not a language barrier. They mostly just don't like the way that non-JPs play the game.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Racist comments like that will get you banned around here.

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What he said wasn't racist, it was stating an observable FACT, as all the "JP ONLY" seacom's in FFXI clearly shows.

Can we leave JP vs NA tastes out of this and focus on waiting for clarification on what the language-specific servers mean?

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Please no language specific servers.

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Totally agree, this is a hugely regressive step for SE to take, FF was one of the few truly global games, seems SE are now creating regional ghettos just like Blizzard, Turbine, Trion, etc. etc. etc.

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Originally Posted by Darkvalkyr

Can we leave JP vs NA tastes out of this and focus on waiting for clarification on what the language-specific servers mean?

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What clarification are you expecting to get. Seems abundantly clear this is creating regional ghettos, and giving the JPs what they asked for in FFXI and never got.

It isn't 'NA vs JP' or 'racism', it's a factual statement about what happened in FFXI and what SE seems to be providing in FFXIV.

Why is everyone so hellbent on making people who don't want to play with you...play with you?

Language-Specific Server Wars Yes Please!

My server, JP players don't even associate with NA. It makes absolutely no sense to put them there or to put us there. Not to mention having servers in EU and NA would be great too. If they make more content anything like the Ifrit fight, they better get servers closer to home. JP have an easy time in there. We don't. It's really that simple and has little to do with them being JP.

Has everything to do with the game being more enjoyable with a better server response.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Please no language specific servers.

I also don't understand what he's trying to say in the quote above. Not treating the language servers as new worlds? I'm confused. They shouldn't exist in the first place, but what exactly does this mean?

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Oh do be quiet, why can't some of you people let others have what they want.

Stop forcing this "we must all play together" bullshit on us.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Oh do be quiet, why can't some of you people let others have what they want.

Stop forcing this "we must all play together" bullshit on us.

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There are also world servers still being offered. So, if they want to play with JP, go there. I don't know what the big deal is either.

I'd love to see how many of them show up too. Most likely very little. They're commonly xenophobic.

movie artworks 2.0

/enjoy ;)

I have to give thumbs up if they roll region specific. Its no different then on 11. Ya sure you get the one linkshell out of 500 that has mixed NA/JP players, or that rare party you invite a jp and they say yes, or your seeking and they ask YOU only because there is absolutely nothing else to grab for their party.

In the end if there were region locked, we could play at more hours anytime because the server would have say 2000 NA online at 2am on the same server, opening up party invites etc instead of having 1000 NA here, then 1000 NA on a different server, and 1000 jp on one and 1000 on the other to equal the 2000 players online............

We have "moments" with other regions, we do not play with them, there is a difference.

BTW there is a very old video on youtube in FFXI where a JP GM was accusing an NA player for being racist for having NA ONLY in his party comment, yet the JP player reporting it had JP only in theirs.............. talk about crap. (Actually it was something similar but not exactly that above). At any rate, its to distinguish LANGUAGE type, not actual race. If a russian grows up in tokyo, what comment do you think youll see in his party search ?? I guarantee JP only. Language , not race. And if you find that video I'm talking about , that GM can go to ****. That was really messed up. I think he got jailed too, it was along time ago since I saw it lol.

I highly disagree that "all players from" X nation (pick whichever) refused to play with players from NA. I regularly played with mixed groups, often with several languages in the group. Sometimes I was the only non Japanese member, sometimes the only non French member, etc. It didn't matter - the auto translate feature, when used properly, provides plenty of partying communication. A little effort to play your job well and use that great feature was all that was needed.

The so called rampant use of "JP only" in search comments - I never once saw and I played FFXI from when CoP was new until Abyssea came out. It may have happened, but it was far more rare than people claim it was. There are plenty of jerks on the NA side too who would refuse to party with someone who didn't speak their language - there are jerks and there are nice players no matter where you come from or which language you speak.

I am sure that some players felt they were excluded, but please don't speak for everyone. One of the biggest draws to me about FFXI was how worldwide the popular was. My server had a very large Japanese, NA, and EU mix and as a result I became friends with people from all around the world. I also could play at any time of day or night because there were people awake and playing any time I happened to have time to play. I did not experience the sort of things so many of you are claiming happened "all the time."

In contrast, when I played WoW, where my server was all NA, if I wanted to play during the day it was solo or nothing. It restricted me to playing with groups at only the peak hours or on weekends, which is typically when I can't play, based on my schedule. I really dislike the concept of region specific servers. I will absolutely choose a world server.

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Originally Posted by Kraggy

What he said wasn't racist, it was stating an observable FACT, as all the "JP ONLY" seacom's in FFXI clearly shows.

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Making a connection between JP ONLY and "JPs are isolationist who hate playing with anyone else" is quite the stretch. There are multiple reasons, but I guess we can all generalize them under "hating foreigners" or whatever.

Nope, not racist at all.

nuuuuuuuuu
So unhappy about language specific servers ;_;

I like the srever not being empty when I log in in the morning :<

But uhuh if JP rly want it that much - fine - but dont separate EU from NA!

"Be the change you wish to see in the world" - Ghandi

If there's even one international server offered, I'm joining that one, and I'll hope you'll join me. :cool:

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Originally Posted by Raikki

Segregated servers are coming because the vast majority of JP are isolationist and hate playing with anyone who doesn't speak Japanese. It doesn't really seem to matter whether we like it or not; they're going to get what they want. Got any JP friends in game? Not anymore after 2.0. No matter how friendly they seem to be toward you they'll migrate to a JP only server the instant SE offers it to them.

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The reason Japanese prefer to play with Japanese speaking people is because speaking in another language can be embarising when not to mention it can get kind of tough, trying to concentrate on a fight while thinking how to say things in another language, these are just a couple of reasons why they dont like playing with people that dont speak Japanese.

In Japan its not as important as Europe to speak English, so alot less Japanese people have had enough education in English as in France, Germany, Spain etc which is why the Germans, Spanish, French dont mind communicating in english because they know the language almost as well as thier native language.

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Originally Posted by Raikki

Flinging accusations of racism is uncalled for. The point was to drive home to the countless people chiming in against the server segregation that this is what the JP community desperately wants and has always wanted from the day SE surprised them with foreigners on their servers in FFXI. There is nothing we can do about it, other than selfishly act like they should be forced to continue playing with us when they don't want to. If my bitterness about the subject has somehow been misconstrued as anti-JP sentiment, let me assure you that's not the message at all. It's simply an acknowledgement of the reality of the situation. If you think it's all about the language barrier, you're missing most of the picture. It's a cultural divide, not a language barrier. They mostly just don't like the way that non-JPs play the game.

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Agreed. I don't get why stating the obvious is racism. It's not just Japanese, it's everyone. My cousin used to run a bunch of dedicated game servers from his house and his website started with DK. All of his servers also had his website in the title. DK happens to also be the country code for Denmark... In any game, it would lead to countless threats and screaming of "You're not ****ing Danish, get the **** off the server!" - "Danish only you idiots!"- and all sorts of other things. What amazed me was my cousins bonded T connection apparently was so great that people connecting from Denmark didn't experience any lag and thought the server was just a hundred or so miles away!

But just playing with all these Danish people in all this servers, it's exactly like one person said - they weren't playing to power game and brag about their skill. They were playing for social reasons. To talk about their country, things going on, ask how things are in other parts, talk about their culture, etc. etc. I think this is a prevailing "process" in not just Japan but a lot of Europe. They weren't focused on finding game breaking mechanics or powering through, it was more just something like a relaxing dinner conversation while playing a game and laughing. So much like you said - difference in play styles, culture divide, etc. etc.

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

"Be the change you wish to see in the world" - Ghandi

If there's even one international server offered, I'm joining that one, and I'll hope you'll join me. :cool:

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I fully agree, my friend. Playing in an international server is the best way to enjoy FF14 or any other MMO. I really dislike the idea of making country sided servers.

If the NA servers are not Within NA and there in JP then there no point of even adding a NA / JP only servers the ping would be the same and that the only reason why people would even join a NA for low Ping.

SE if you not going to put the NA servers in NA then don't even do it we like playing with others even if the JP players don't like to playing with us then that fine by me but not seeing them would make me sad there a few JP players who enjoy playing with us and i have a few in my linkshell and i help them out. But making a JP / NA and so on servers would make them leave to join with there friend and we wont see much JP players :(

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Another Yoshida post addressed a question about being unable to move to language-specific servers as they might be locked for existing players.

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/i...post-right.png Does this mean that the current servers will become global servers? I’m assuming that the language servers will be considered new worlds, so players in the current server will have to wait a while to join the language servers. I believe that players will want to join the language servers with their friends as soon as they are implemented, so could you please keep that in mind.


Yes, we have already considered this scenario. We will not be treating the language servers as new worlds, so there is no need to worry.

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Hi Bayohne,

If you could pass along a follow-up concern to Team Yoshida:

With this latest comment, I hope it doesn't mean some existing servers are automatically designated as Language-Specific Servers (e.g., "Besaid will now be Japanese-Only Server." or "Rabanastre will be German-Only Server." etc.). Because then you're forcing players who call those servers "home" to jump to another server instead.

I hope this gets clarified.

And to cast my vote, I'd rather have Global Servers still (and I hope we aren't forced to move from our server to new Global ones). It's a much more colorful, enjoyable and fun experience to have people from around the world on at various times of the day. :)

Thanks!

ugh Auction House.

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Originally Posted by Madrox

ugh Auction House.

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I was disappointed to hear that as well, but whatever, it'll make shopping easier. I feel that the wards had merit even though they are not the most user friendly way to get gear and mats. ...Oh Well.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

I was disappointed to hear that as well, but whatever, it'll make shopping easier. I feel that the wards had merit even though they are not the most user friendly way to get gear and mats. ...Oh Well.

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I agree. While the game definitely needs an auction house, there's room for a market ward too. In fact, the market wards would probably work better if there was an auction house to do most of the heavy economic lifting.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Personally a bit sad about allowing people to segregate themselves to specific servers. Japanese population on Global servers will be sparse at best I bet.

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I think as long as they add the option to choose it could be ok. I mean, I would rather be on an international server knowing that everyone on my server from different countries WANTS to be there as opposed to being forced to. I would much rather let the people that wish to stay isolated in their current region do so while allowing the more social players to be social. AS long as the keep it 50/50 I would be happy. The good news about this is that it can only mean that at some point in time they will allow for a world transfer service, which I think is great.

are the missing genders for the character creator planned for 1.20patch or 2.0patch.

just wondering.

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Originally Posted by moeru

are the missing genders for the character creator planned for 1.20patch or 2.0patch.

just wondering.

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Not Entirely Sure.. Its either in april 2012 ( when we get ported to the 2.0 Client) or October 2012 when they release the game for PC

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Not Entirely Sure.. Its either in april 2012 ( when we get ported to the 2.0 Client) or October 2012 when they release the game for PC

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Answer: Neither. Early 2013, when 2.0 will go live (unless you want to count closed beta, which would be before). You'll have a chance to change your character's appearance.

PS: Why are people sad about AH? Also: It's not AH. You'll be able to buy directly from Item Search Counter, is what I read from Yoshi.

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Originally Posted by Sehro

the only fear now is that i need to upgrade my pc again lol.

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according to their announcements it will be run better on lower end pc's than the current version, so you may not absolutely have to.

"JP ONLY" parties etc are in the large majority of cases are not down to Racism. Sure there are SOME racist Japanese players, as there are SOME racist European and American players.
It's an issue of communication. JP ONLY doesn't mean 'Japanese people only', but more often than not 'Japanese language only'. I'm not Japanese; I'm British. Yet I don't have many problems finding Japanese groups because I can speak the lingo... yet I'm not fluent; its obvious that I am not a Japanese. I've never been kicked from a group when people discovered, 'hey this guy here isn't a real Japanese... he makes too many grammatical mistakes!'. The point is, I understand what the Japanese players are saying to me, and they understand what I am saying to them. And that's really all "JP ONLY" is all about. Auto-translate just doesn't cut it.

Some people just need to stop taking things so personally. Not everybody hates you.

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Answer: Neither. Early 2013, when 2.0 will go live (unless you want to count closed beta, which would be before). You'll have a chance to change your character's appearance.

PS: Why are people sad about AH? Also: It's not AH. You'll be able to buy directly from Item Search Counter, is what I read from Yoshi.

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No read the time line it says 2.0 goes live in Sept-Oct