You don't even have to use Faust for an example. Even easier content like Ultros and Typhoon have people fail them very often.
Why keep DF off of new content?
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09-04-2015, 10:37 PMMilesSaintboroguh
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09-04-2015, 10:54 PMLinkan
I cant see why not.
If people want to try out savage with random people even though it means a probable failure, it is their choice.
"But they wont be able to beat it!!!" And what do you have to do with it? If you dont like, dont do it.
The only thing they should do is require a decent amount of iLvL (maybe ilvl190) for A1S, for example, and do a warning that Savage is designed for very coordinates groups.
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09-04-2015, 10:56 PMhagareexactly. thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Linkan
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09-04-2015, 11:18 PMrandysquirrelMaybe some would go in realizing they had little chance of clearing, but many wouldn't. And then you get the endless rants about it needs nerfing, until SE buckle and do just that. As has happened with practically all content so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Linkan
Nothing is stopping 8 random people grouping up and going in just to see it, you can create a party in PF.
In my personal opinion though, I do not fancy chances of filling such a party, as I just don't think there are that many people that want to go in "just to see it" and wipe in 30 seconds. If there were, people would be doing just this surely? -
09-04-2015, 11:27 PMColorfulHaven't there already been endless rants about it? "Savage is too much of a DPS check", "Paladins aren't good enough for Savage", and in the earlier days of Savage "MCH DPS isn't good enough for Savage". There may be more, but I haven't paid too much attention to them. I honestly think they'll nerf it regardless of whether or not it ends up in Duty Finder, if not a mechanic nerf, they'd probably add Echo. I hope that doesn't happen though.Quote:
Originally Posted by randysquirrel
Also other arguments have been thrown around that aren't just "I want to see it" such as actually getting some practice done in Savage, which isn't an impossibility as some of you would like to believe. Party Finder can take upwards of 30 minutes, while with Duty Finder you'd get in within 5-10 minutes.
Why are people so against this? If it was added to DF it literally would not affect you, or your group whatsoever, not a bit. Let people smash their heads against it, why does it bother you what people do with their time? Are you afraid that a Duty Finder party actually beats you and comes out with that shiny loot you worked so hard for or something? If not that, then I don't see any reason that would actually affect you. -
09-04-2015, 11:31 PMhagaredoomsaying again?Quote:
Originally Posted by randysquirrel
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09-04-2015, 11:35 PMCrystalRainbow
Clearly you didn't try Turn 5 with df when it was 1st added. out of 10 parties you may have got one that didn't rage quit after 1st go.
The general player base goes threw MSQ and Side Quest and trails and are ooo this is funs. Then they try raiding. and are OMFG... This isn't fun I died. -
09-05-2015, 12:07 AMrandysquirrelWhat are you talking about? I didn't say I'm against it, I couldn't care less either way. If it was in DF I wouldn't use it, I would still go with my static, so it wouldn't affect me. ie we agree?Quote:
Originally Posted by Colorful
Just trying to give a reason of maybe why they don't put it to DF right away.
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09-05-2015, 12:22 AMAshkendorOr we don't care either way, but just know that we'll end up with a much bigger pool of people begging for nerfs on the content because they went in, wiped five times to Faust, then a tank left and 3/4 of the party followed. People saying DF would be a faster way to do this fail to realize just how quick people are to ragequit DF when things aren't going perfectly. Hell, I've seen people leave even when there's appreciable progress being made. Some content you can underman; Savage isn't that kind of content. It just wouldn't be clearable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colorful
Savage isn't going to have a huge pool of people that are willing to queue for it in DF either. I mean, there's threads upon threads why people don't queue as tanks for Expert Roulette and you want people to do it for Savage?
Honestly, my post was meant more to explain why it currently is the way it is. I don't care much if it changes, but I really don't foresee SE deciding to put their bleeding-edge raid content in the Duty Finder in the future. -
09-05-2015, 12:25 AMColorfulI really should read over my posts before submitting (still not going to do it even after saying that), but I meant beat your expectations I guess, not the focus of my post regardless. By "you", I'm referring to everyone who is so vehemently against the idea of it going into DF, which it seems like you're not.Quote:
Originally Posted by randysquirrel
The point I was trying to get across was that it doesn't affect anyone who currently raids Savage, it only opens it up to more players. SE themselves may have a reason for restricting it, but I really don't understand those people who are against here, and even that one person who suggested that it shouldn't drop loot, hence the part about the loot in my post. Of course people would be less inclined to do it if there was no loot, not exactly a big revelation. No one but the best of the best really tried to take down Savage Coil, and why? Because a title wasn't enough for most. -
09-05-2015, 12:43 AMrandysquirrelI agree with some of your points. But you say it being in DF would open it up to all players, but really it is already open to everyone. You can set up a party in PF and go in? You might be joined with people already in a static who want to practice, but on the other hand some of those might stay away just in case you did down it and then they would lock out their static members from a chest when they came to run it for the week or whatever. You never know, you might meet people that are in the exact same situation and be able to start building your own static if that's something you are looking to do (I haven't read back very far in these comments, dunno if you are or not). This is what happened to me back in SCOB, I had no static so could only run via PF. I did that, and in one group someone said I seemed to know what I was doing and they had a space in their static they were trying to fill.Quote:
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but in regards to why it isn't in DF, honestly I don't know. I don't think many groups would have success if it were, but it really is anyone's guess why SE haven't made it available this way -
09-05-2015, 01:13 AMAssirraWell you are 100% true the DF horror stories come from non japanese data center simply due the way DF is getting seen by the different people.Quote:
Originally Posted by hagare
In Japanese datacenter it is basically bring your A game, do no fuck around so you don't waste others time and use party finder to practice. I watch a couple Japanese streams and when i see titan ex getting 1shot from df i somewhere die a bit inside.
on NA/EU the general idea is DF is for practice, you don't need to know anything, and can fuck around and party finder is for serious mode.
So of course you are going to get a different opinion but in no way the people that claim it wouldn't work are "baseless"
They base it on their own experience, it's just that we all have a different one.
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09-06-2015, 04:10 AMGarionVale
I thought i made some very valid points and was mostly ignored. Seems to me that people are picking which arguments they want to comment on and which not. The points i made were valid, and SE's team has taken a lot of things into consideration when they make these decisions. They look at it from the entire communities angle, and feel this is best.
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09-06-2015, 06:09 PMCGMidlanderI've quite literally never seen that happen before. (Out of approx. 60 runs since Alex NM came out)Quote:
Originally Posted by Elazu