Poor Designed Weapon's.

The pug weapons looks like magnet fists...

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Originally Posted by Fouluryu

The pug weapons looks like magnet fists...

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but magnet fists are awesome! Can use them to find those special metal treasures in the game! >.<!!!! couldn't resist!

I actually really like the look of the weapons. I think they fit the Ifrit theme nicely. I guess that's the funny thing about art... its subjective...

I think the problem right now is the people who don't like it love to voice their opinion.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Not Eorzean, the art direction of FFXIV. Every item has to be kept within certain artistic boundaries. Otherwise the direction becomes inconsistent and detached. No game wants that to happen, and no, it is not common for companies to change their art direction in the same game. Between different games, sure. All you will have is a bunch of artistic nonsense where nothing fits anywhere.

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The game is undergoing a complete overhaul right now, the community said there was not enough colour in the game, and everything was really bland, and this is the start of the changes to that.

Also you say the weapons are not eorzean, but is ifrit directly from eorzea nope, he is summoned which could be why the weapons look differant, there are pages and pages of possible lore they could put into why all weapons dont look the same, or in FFXI are abyssea weapons bad designing because the dont look like there from Vana'diel?

If you don't like just craft the new Cobalt gear...geezus people...complaints getting old. Ifrit gear looks fine...epic chuckles of doom.

I always wondered why these supernatural creatures would have weapons and armor desiged for humans in the first place.
Ifrit would be like "Yes I have this incredibly powerful bow specifically designed for you mortals but NO YOU CAN'T HAVE IT YOU FOOLS. Me likez shiny stuff."
It's like with dragons and treasures. If I were a dragon I wouldn't hoard money in a cave and live in it. I'd have humans build me a giant aery with chocolate fountains. Honestly.

Anyway I think the weapons are fine, some of them could use a bit of downscaling though (like the bow).

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

this i can totally agree with.

also remember people, the class specific gear is coming out. the BLM gear looks nothing like anything else in the game, its viewable in model viewers, ive seen it myself, your all gonna hate it.

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The BLM AF i saw made me go "oOo". I loved it, but really why would anyone hate it? It looks like old style FF BLM AF

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Originally Posted by Kopuno

The BLM AF i saw made me go "oOo". I loved it, but really why would anyone hate it? It looks like old style FF BLM AF

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lol I love the design... I don't like the colors XD they look gaudy to me XD!!!!! though I do like the numerous color choices for them!!!! just the whole collection of colors together to me don't fit together lol

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Originally Posted by Delsus

The game is undergoing a complete overhaul right now, the community said there was not enough colour in the game, and everything was really bland, and this is the start of the changes to that.

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Okay? Does this mean there is not even a slight possibility that they could perhaps go a little overboard in their crusade, and as such need the community to point out that they are taking things too far?

Expecting perfection right from the beginning is the flaw of this community. We do not criticize their inventions because we want them to fail, we criticize them because we want the game to become as good as it can be. Not as good as they can get it the first try around.

"The aggro icon is a bit too large." "The monster sizes are a bit too large." This is a continuation of that, and to tell you the truth, even though some people didn't "mind" the rather bulky aggro icon I find it much more appealing now that it has been slightly modified.

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Originally Posted by Scherwiz

But don't worry, it won't make it any less valid either.

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so it's ok if someone cut his balls because it doesn't make his argument less valid ?

there is right thing to do, and wrong thing to do

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Originally Posted by HiPotion

so it's ok if someone cut his balls because it doesn't make his argument less valid ?

there is right thing to do, and wrong thing to do

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I wasn't aware ball cutting and forum topic posting were the same thing, please forgive my ignorance.

They look fine from what they come from, Ifrit. They're just Ifrit themed weapons and I don't understand why some of the playerbase is bitching and making a big deal out of it.

also see sig link

The spelling and punctuation mistakes in the title make me kind of annoyed. Am I bad person?

Also I think the weapons are mostly fine, these are after all, weapons from Ifrit. I dislike the fists some and feel the bow is clunky but I'm not going to lose sleep over it. The other weapons I think look pretty good though.

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Originally Posted by Fouluryu

The pug weapons looks like magnet fists...

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Freakin' magnets! How do they work?!

no one here is losing sleep over these weapons lol

the complaints are merely gut reactions. like you said i have no problem with any of them in terms of ugliness and silliness the thm takes the cake since it's obviously ifrit's dildo, but there are ugly items in the game already.

In terms of actual practicallity however the pgl weapons are the worst of all pgl weapons you physically can't hold those things by the handle because when you punch they will turn either up or down best you could do is grab one of the sides and slap your adversary with it. I know theres other pgl weapons like that but this one is far and beyond and i'm not talking about other pgl weapons.

The bow is an abhoration. Do we even know how bows work? energy from the bent bow is transferred to the string and then to the arrow. The less you can bend the bow the weaker it is. The physicist in me cries.

The weapons look BA! They could scale them down a bit but nothing worth loosing sleep over lol

Umm, Subjective stuff is subjective?

When Ifrit was born he was destined to become a prodigal craftsman. At the age of five he made his first glass castle. He was surprised by his immense skills after creating a sand castle at the beach. But through the process of vulcanization the sand turned into glass. Maybe he should have tried to make a glass slipper to fit the evil step sister as well. After going through magnet school for craftsmanship/sculpture, he decided to ask Michelangelo to take his as an apprentice. Thus began Ifrit's master craftsmanship in weapon making.

Yea, that didn't happen. He's a primal, don't expect his weapons to be the weapons of a revered knight with the most expensive and flashy armor. Though I don't know what people mean by poorly designed, they look pretty good.

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

Uh, duh? I'm a troll? And I care not what you like or dont like.

Also, someone just make a poll to see how many people are like or dont like the Ifrit weapons, and get it over with.

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I quite enjoy your posts. You crack me up and have a bit of common sense.

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Originally Posted by Imakun

I always wondered why these supernatural creatures would have weapons and armor desiged for humans in the first place.
Ifrit would be like "Yes I have this incredibly powerful bow specifically designed for you mortals but NO YOU CAN'T HAVE IT YOU FOOLS. Me likez shiny stuff."
It's like with dragons and treasures. If I were a dragon I wouldn't hoard money in a cave and live in it. I'd have humans build me a giant aery with chocolate fountains. Honestly.

Anyway I think the weapons are fine, some of them could use a bit of downscaling though (like the bow).

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The bow is perfect!

I love how the new weapons look. :)

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Originally Posted by Dargoth_Draconia

The bow is perfect!

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Of course it isn't.

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Originally Posted by Scherwiz

Of course it is.

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/10characters

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

The Bow is Bulky!

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Amazing, I agree completely!

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Originally Posted by Arcell

You do realize that all of the current crafted gear comes from only within the confines of Eorzea right? Eorzea is only one continent with 6 major cities on it, 3 of which we don't have access to (Sharlayan, Ishgard and Ala Mhigo). All of the current artistic direction comes from one of those cities on the same continent.

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Just a bit of a nit-picky word choices here about the geography of Hydaelyn and Eorzea;

Eorzea isn't the continent. Eorzea is the country which consists of the city-states Limsa Lominsa, Gridania, Ul'dah, Ala Mhigo, Ishgard and Sharlayan. Regions Eorzea covers are La Noscea, the northern part of Vylbrand (O'Ghomoro is still unclear on whether it is the region's name or the volcano's), and in the continent of Aldenard; The Black Shroud, Thanalan, Mor Dhona, Coerthas, Gyr Abania, Xelphatol, Dravania and Paglth'an as well as numerous small islands. Land masses which Eorzea expands over are the island Vylbrand as well as the continent Aldenard.

So just be sure to make Eorzea a country, as Eorzea is not the continent. It's easy to mix them up, so just be wary. :D

Otherwise, I agree with you, Arcell. On nearly all your posts. And those who somehow think that a higher diety's weapon drops will resemble those which are crafted by a mortal's hand are truly ignorant of the hierarchy which surrounds the typical balance of high-end dieties with low-end mortals.

A bow is a flexible arc that shoots through elastic or spring energy. Essentially, the bow is a form of spring powered by a string or cord. As this string is drawn, energy is stored in the flexible limbs of the bow equally; the energy is transferred to the arrow when the string is released, projecting it much farther than a weapon could be thrown.

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/244/bowt.png

Hooke's Law states that the extension of a spring is in direct proportion with the load applied to it. But beyond that there are practical limitations depending depending on the specific case. In the case of a bow depending on the material it may snap if its pulled back too far. Also, you cannot pull the arrow back farther than its head or you will not be able to control it's horizontal direction, most people might agree that if our char. pulled their arrows back 6 inches behind the bow-as subtle as it may be-it would look completely silly.

This bow in particular contains incredibly dense and organic mass assuming it comes from ifrit, therefore, it's elasticity should be reasonably high but so is the force required to bend it. Therefore, the bow would shoot incredibly strong if there were someone strong enough to actual arch it to its optimal position (unlikely even if you assume your char is as strong as an elephant).

The point is moot however as the difference in density from top to bottom means that the bow will always shoot upward higher than your aim.

It's not so much that it's ugly as much as that it's just a crumby bow. Fancy though i guess like shoes.

http://chzifshoescouldkill.files.wor...a3bedf339b.jpg

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Originally Posted by Ichi

A bow is a flexible arc that shoots through elastic or spring energy. Essentially, the bow is a form of spring powered by a string or cord. As this string is drawn, energy is stored in the flexible limbs of the bow equally; the energy is transferred to the arrow when the string is released, projecting it much farther than a weapon could be thrown.

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/244/bowt.png

Hooke's Law states that the extension of a spring is in direct proportion with the load applied to it. But beyond that there are practical limitations depending depending on the specific case. In the case of a bow depending on the material it may snap if its pulled back too far. Also, you cannot pull the arrow back farther than its head or you will not be able to control it's horizontal direction, most people might agree that if our char. pulled their arrows back 6 inches behind the bow-as subtle as it may be-it would look completely silly.

This bow in particular contains incredibly dense and organic mass assuming it comes from ifrit, therefore, it's elasticity should be reasonably high but so is the force required to bend it. Therefore, the bow would shoot incredibly strong if there were someone strong enough to actual arch it to its optimal position (unlikely even if you assume your char is as strong as an elephant).

The point is moot however as the difference in density from top to bottom means that the bow will always shoot upward higher than your aim.

It's not so much that it's ugly as much as that it's just a crumby bow. Fancy though i guess like shoes.

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I see! And the big horn at the top folds down to become the harp! :P

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

I see! And the big horn at the top folds down to become the harp! :P

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No! it just holds half sized arrows!

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Originally Posted by Ichi

The point is moot however as the difference in density from top to bottom means that the bow will always shoot upward higher than your aim.

It's not so much that it's ugly as much as that it's just a crumby bow. Fancy though i guess like shoes.

http://chzifshoescouldkill.files.wor...a3bedf339b.jpg

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Nice post. Though honestly I think that the elastic part of the top is similar to the bottom side. The dense part of the top is separated from the elastic part, so really it would only make it weigh more(Unless there is something about archery that I do not know which would affect there being more weight at the top).
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/412/bowx.png/

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Originally Posted by Ichi

It's not so much that it's ugly as much as that it's just a crumby bow. Fancy though i guess like shoes.[/URL]

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better example
http://www.carrellistudio.com/wp-con...ilos-shoes.jpg

whats funny is no one is trying to argue about the realism of Archers shooting one arrow up into the air with dozens magically raining down on enemies.

in Eorzea, weight is no matter as weapons will come in all shapes and sizes, also, all arrows always shoot straight forward but instead of actually missing like they would in real life, they dissappear and a message pops up informing you. (this was all light sarcasm)

the weapons are generally not bad looking and i think its the incorrect attitude to expect a fantasy game to ONLY cater to realism especially when the games history and title incorporate a large amount of fantasy.
if she was shooting arrows with the arrows pointed backwards then i think itd be time for people to start to complain about realism issues.
some realism might stick out more so than others but these weapons fit the over all look of the entire franchise and also the games future.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

better example
http://www.carrellistudio.com/wp-con...ilos-shoes.jpg

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GOOD LORD!

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Originally Posted by Gramul

GOOD LORD!

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yeah so dont give me that realism crap, those are real shoes that sell!

Topic started by a person with his main class fisher 50.
I dont need to say anything else.

lol I'm not trying to say that SE should change the weapons I'm just pointing some stuff out based on my reactions. It's like I said it wouldn't make sense to anyone if the game made you pull your arrow back 6 inches behind your bow. That's a generalized case that anyone will understand so maybe you understand what other people feel when they think that some graphic models in the game make no sense.

Again not personal, game. I am well aware.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

Yeah, so don't give me that realism crap, those are real shoes that sell!

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To who?!
Goat people?!

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Originally Posted by Gramul

To who?!
Goat people?!

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i wouldnt doubt it. but also people with money who are into fashion. those are Alexander Mcqueen spring 2010.
not that i give a damn, im just saying veriety is great and elaborate designs can fit in in all environments. those are worn at galas with other people dressed in million dollar outfits.

Game should have more weapons and looks from FF12 & FFT. It has alot of Judgemasters in FFXIV why not...

Not only but the bow can also be used as a hat. =)

you guys are dumb, talking about how you need to figure out the art style of this. i dont know who you trolls think you are but i would bet 90% of you are not designers, or artists, (game profession) so if your gonna complain about perfectly good stuff like you guys always do, dont try to act like you can do a better job and and say it doesnt fit the art style.
i AM a 3D artist, and i personally think these weapons look amazing, and cant wait to get them.
and i would also like to mention if i was on that team and put out those awesome weapons, with the response you guys are giving, i would not be motivated to provide you with anything you actually want.
so i guess the main point im trying to make is, i hate you all... the trolls at least