Ishgard Housing Transfer System Unfair

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

The real mistake was allowing personal housing and free company housing to be jumbled together.

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Ya that was a mistake they should have avoided to begin with.

Didn't they originally said that Personal and FC Housing would be separate?

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Ya that was a mistake they should have avoided to begin with.

Didn't they originally said that Personal and FC Housing would be separate?

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I think they just said the pricing would be separate, but that turned out not to be terribly accurate either. The easiest solution to this is to instance the personal houses and leave the wards for the FC housing.

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

I think they just said the pricing would be separate, but that turned out not to be terribly accurate either. The easiest solution to this is to instance the personal houses and leave the wards for the FC housing.

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I certainly would have prefered Instance housing over the current one for Personal Housing anyways.

As much as the entire Outside Yard being part of Housing is nice for access to Gardening and Chocobo Stable they could have added a smaller version of Gardening and Chocobo stable for a instance Personal House version such as a Gardening Pots that can support 3 seeds and a chocobo nest to be used for a single chocobo for personal Chocobo stable function since a Personal House would only be used by the Player's own chocobo rather than a bunch of players in the FC Chocobo stable.

Even if the personal housing was a plot of land you bought with trees and rocks and other rubble over it. You would need to clear the land to be able to build your house. Once your house was built you had the rest of the plot for all the "outdoor" furnishings. It could even go as far as being able to upgrade your plot to accommodate a larger house (for a price) and have it all as some reward granted through storyline accompanied with a Gil requirement at the outset and each subsequent upgrade.

There was so much potential with instanced housing I feel was missed. It felt like they had a good thing with FC housing and either ran out of time or resources to give all players a personal house. I would be willing to wait for personal houses to actually be personal if that was what they wanted to do. Instead we don't even have a FC house for much the same reasons.

I honestly think there needs to be a 60 day abandoned property limit on houses. Especially on high populated servers. If a home owner is offline for 60 days, the property is flagged abandoned and put up for resale. If they log back in after 60 days, they can go to the little guy and get their housing items back, but they are S.O.L. for the property. If you want to maintain ownership of the property: keep an active account and log in at least once every two months. This would definitely help with the turn over rate for home ownership, and reduce the need many many many wards.

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Originally Posted by Dorander

I honestly think there needs to be a 60 day abandoned property limit on houses. Especially on high populated servers. If a home owner is offline for 60 days, the property is flagged abandoned and put up for resale. If they log back in after 60 days, they can go to the little guy and get their housing items back, but they are S.O.L. for the property. If you want to maintain ownership of the property: keep an active account and log in at least once every two months. This would definitely help with the turn over rate for home ownership, and reduce the need many many many wards.

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Haha this remind me how in some countries that is how it works. If u live in other place, but u have houses in those countries and u leave it vacant, for certain time, u don't have any right on that property. if someone took over the house and was living there for that certain time, they are the new house owners.

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Originally Posted by dekal

Haha this remind me how in some countries that is how it works. If u live in other place, but u have houses in those countries and u leave it vacant, for certain time, u don't have any right on that property. if someone took over the house and was living there for that certain time, they are the new house owners.

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There's a difference between leaving it vacant, and leaving it vacant while still paying property taxes and other associated costs.

There is no way in hell anyone would get away with just moving into a property I own and am paying upkeep costs on, just because I don't happen to live there. There would be some hell to pay.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

If a company chooses to relocate it's headquarters IRL, many things are lost and the costs can be tremendous. The workshop is under ground, under the FC house. Logically if you sell that house, you would fill in the secret basement workshopto prevent anyone from making use of your super secret stuff, you'd then start over in a new location, building a new secret basement lab.

I'm not sure that this system is really as stupid as you thingit is.

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Have you ever moved a business to become a new startup? I have. Let me tell you DO NOT destroy furniture, items, electronics, etc. that you have. Things are only lost if you do not plan, have incompetent people, etc.

There is NO reason for items that have been painstakingly worked for to be destroyed. Ever. It amounts to going " oh look at all your hard work, let me just set it on fire". Yeah, that's a brilliant move.

And I really do despise it when people try to compare a video game to real life.

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Originally Posted by Pluvia

You can't own more then one house per FC/Personal so if they lets say move to the new housing area their old housing location opens back up

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Yes, you can. Unless I am not reading this post right and you are trying to make a suggestion.
Technically, one character can only have one house but...
People actively create alts for additional FC houses or personal houses.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

There's a difference between leaving it vacant, and leaving it vacant while still paying property taxes and other associated costs.

There is no way in hell anyone would get away with just moving into a property I own and am paying upkeep costs on, just because I don't happen to live there. There would be some hell to pay.

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I know friends that don't play the game yet pay for the sub. If SE do what the other player suggest, then those people that paid for the game will lost their houses.

You know, like any first come, first serve situation... first come first serve. At least there will.be many vacant houses in the other cities for a few hours for you to buy. :)

in my opinion as a house owner it would be unfair for SE not to offer a transfer option to existing owners. Why should a house owner have to give up there plot and lose a substantial amount of gil.... SE is being fair to everyone give existing owners and new to be owner a chance in the new area. The only people moaning is the people who don't own a house or can't afford one. People should really think of the cost involved with housing before moaning about things being unfair because someone has a house and will have the chance to move to the new area which will free up an old plot anyway

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Originally Posted by m3eansean

The only game I've seen where someone can own a home forever without even needing to log in during a certain timeframe to maintain ownership.

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It's because while you were sitting here on the forums complaining about how much housing was, we were out farming up the 3~100+million gil to purchase the house. We never get that money back unless someone is willing to buy you out of your plot and then spend another 3~100+million to buy the house. It's the fact that housing prices are so heavily exaggerated that is the reason that we get to keep our houses.

I have no idea how this feature is going to work out. Presumably it will allow you to transfer you to other districts as well, not just Ishgard housing.
We don't know the specifics of this yet.
Do they still have to pay money for the new plot they are buying but just don't have to trash all their furniture/pay the right to build?
Do they not have to pay for the price of a plot again but pay a fee for the transfer?
Are their wait times?

I sit on the fence here because how this feature is implemented could be just as unfair as the OP is implying or it could be quite fine.
The reason why this could be potentially unfair is if it is much easier to transfer a house than it is to go out and buy one. Either way, you are suddenly getting a lot of competition that the other housing wards did not have upon release. As you are not only competing against people who don't have a house (as it has been with former patches) but you are also competing with people who already have one.

For those of you bashing this transfer system....I'm willing to bet that it involves 2 points:

• The ability to sell/transfer a plot between players and
• The ability to "save" your furnishings and layout on your housing deed and move them to a new plot (for a fee, possibly based on the number of non-refundable items on the lot)

I have nothing against either of these. If it indeed turns out to be a system by which you can simply "move" your house to a new same-size plot in the new zone, I'm not against that either, provided that it requires that you:

1. Pay the full price required for the new lot and
2. Relinquish the old lot upon moving to the new one.

--Erim Nelhah

Housing should be released after a certain amount of time not in the game. There are plots on my server that don't even have a house, but have been bought and they've been like that since I came to the server. :l

I don't see what the fuss is about, I don't own a house, I don't need or want one, they are just gil sinks that have no productive value IMO
I use the free Inn room, dont need to spend gil on any furnishings there :P

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Originally Posted by Caiera

I don't see what the fuss is about, I don't own a house, I don't need or want one, they are just gil sinks that have no productive value IMO
I use the free Inn room, dont need to spend gil on any furnishings there :P

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That's perfectly fine not wanting to own a house; however saying they are gil sinks with no productive value is extremely falsified information:

- Gardening and selling Glazenuts / Thavnarian Onions paid for my house three times over when it first came out.
- Gardening and selling chocobo feed (for color changing) made me millions the first week it came out.
- FC Airship Ventures selling extra Airship materials, bulk Grade III Materia's, Iron Giant Cores, etc. has made me millions.
- Bought a small plot for 4mil, lived there awhile, and sold it for 8mil. Bought a Medium Plot for 16mil, lived there awhile, and sold it for 30mil.

Productive value has been enormous. Not to mention the other perks.

I see no problem with this if the old plot is given up. Two housing does have purpose, not only is it a meeting point for your FC, but you also have crafting stations that can help everyone. Right now housing sucks just for the fact that SE needs to add more wards period.

Well it a transfer system so means the same amount of houses will still be available, so if they transfer to ishgard there current plot will become available for someone else to buy.

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Originally Posted by m3eansean

It is a clear favor to those who already own a house, only allowing current home owners first dibs in Ishgard. Not surprising since housing is one of the most unfair things SE has rolled out thus far.

The only game I've seen where someone can own a home forever without even needing to log in during a certain timeframe to maintain ownership.

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This is the point.

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Originally Posted by m3eansean

It is a clear favor to those who already own a house, only allowing current home owners first dibs in Ishgard. Not surprising since housing is one of the most unfair things SE has rolled out thus far.

The only game I've seen where someone can own a home forever without even needing to log in during a certain timeframe to maintain ownership.

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How is it first dibs if the transfer to Ishgard is made available exactly at the same time as house buying? Sounds to me like it's make things as equal as they can be. Everyone gets their chance as soon as servers open after patch and if any current house owner gets to move to Ishgard they free up their old house. Making the house owners have to get rid of their old house with no guarantee of a new one in a brand new area would be more unfair than giving everyone hassle-free access.

The second part of your post is outdated, and I for one am happy about it.

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Originally Posted by Noxifer

Well, to be fair, the post you quoted was posted in July last year. Unless you meant 'outdated' as in 'has since been changed' and not as in 'you need to update your information', of course. ^^

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Yeah I meant that it has been changed. Quite a big necro this one.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

The second part of your post is outdated, and I for one am happy about it.

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Well, to be fair, the post you quoted was posted in July last year. Unless you meant 'outdated' as in 'has since been changed' and not as in 'you need to update your information', of course. ^^

never it was said to allows owner of house advantage, he have always say wanting to add the transfert system before add ishgard... people read too much into it.

Also, the whole point of it was because Yoshi wants the 3 main districts to be for FC's, not personal housing. If they allow personal housers to transfer to the Ishgard apartments, then those houses free up to serve their original purpose; aka to be locations for FC's. The fact that they didn't plan ahead for this conundrum of people wanting personal housing without being connected to an FC is what caused this mess in the first place; if they'd enacted personal housing-only subdivisions then they could have probably made Ishgard have actual housing and not apartments for personal use.

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Originally Posted by CalCrazy

Also, the whole point of it was because Yoshi wants the 3 main districts to be for FC's, not personal housing. If they allow personal housers to transfer to the Ishgard apartments, then those houses free up to serve their original purpose; aka to be locations for FC's. The fact that they didn't plan ahead for this conundrum of people wanting personal housing without being connected to an FC is what caused this mess in the first place; if they'd enacted personal housing-only subdivisions then they could have probably made Ishgard have actual housing and not apartments for personal use.

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The housing transfer system has nothing to do with the apartment system, nor is the apartment system tied to Ishgard. Apartments will be a feature in the current three housing districts, since Yoshi-P commented on the apartments having different designs for each of the three housing districts.
If they ever add an Ishgard district, it'll likely have both housing plots and apartments.

As for the housing transfer system, I'm not sure if it has been mentioned yet, but it's also important for FCs that want to move to a different district without losing their company workshop progress. Currently, an FC will lose that workshop progress when relinquishing a housing plot, and it's time consuming to start it over again.

sounds to me like they'll just have a way when you buy a new house for it to auto-abandon old one and maybe a temporary chest of your stuff pops up on the empty plot rather than have to lose all your stuff and tear down your old house and manually abandon it before hand

just a convenience issue, it will still empty a plot in exchange for the new one

I'm sorry but someone has to...

http://i.imgur.com/uLAb1s9.jpg

Holy necromancy batman!

I'd love to see the Ishgardian housing be something other than a ward system they're using now and used for personal instanced housing only with encouragement for players to move. For high population servers, this would free up some real estate for FCs that want to get housing and also spoil (some of) the efforts of the jerks that buy up swaths of housing for resale.

What if Ishgard ends up being a snowy version of the Goblet? c:

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Originally Posted by Lithe

What if Ishgard ends up being a snowy version of the Goblet? c:

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Shut up and take my gil!!

I see so much wrong information, and if that's not the case than there are some confusing happenings in-game.

For instance, players aren't restricted to just 1 plot, as I search each district and each ward I see several plots in a row all taken by the same exact player. That makes absolutely no sense and shouldn't be allowed since there aren't even close to enough plots for everyone.

I also feel that this is just silly, make it instanced! Every single house should be instanced, instead of in a 'zone' with multiple plots. Do not limit the number of instances...and problem solved. There is no reason why a huge entity like SE can't procure enough HDD's to allow for this. Especially when you consider the cost to play - everyone should be entitled to the same content.

Also, there is so much they could do with this system - invasions, etc. Its very sorry. And systems for 'moving' or 'transferring' shouldn't be implemented until everyone has a shot at housing.

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Originally Posted by Evol

For instance, players aren't restricted to just 1 plot, as I search each district and each ward I see several plots in a row all taken by the same exact player. T

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Same player (account) can only buy one plot. Are you talking about alts?

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Originally Posted by Evol

I see so much wrong information, and if that's not the case than there are some confusing happenings in-game.

For instance, players aren't restricted to just 1 plot, as I search each district and each ward I see several plots in a row all taken by the same exact player. That makes absolutely no sense and shouldn't be allowed since there aren't even close to enough plots for everyone.

I also feel that this is just silly, make it instanced! Every single house should be instanced, instead of in a 'zone' with multiple plots. Do not limit the number of instances...and problem solved. There is no reason why a huge entity like SE can't procure enough HDD's to allow for this. Especially when you consider the cost to play - everyone should be entitled to the same content.

Also, there is so much they could do with this system - invasions, etc. Its very sorry. And systems for 'moving' or 'transferring' shouldn't be implemented until everyone has a shot at housing.

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Bit of a necro topic but fair enough...

Individual characters can only own one private plot, so I'm not sure what you think you saw with the same character owning multiple houses but it is indeed impossible. They may have made multiple alts with similar names but that's a different issue.

As for systems to move house, I think you're looking at it from the wrong perspective. There are a lot of players that currently have a house but want a different plot. They won't relinquish their current plot to move, however, as it runs the risk of them ending up with no house at all. The entire relinquishing land concept is inherently flawed as it encourages players to hold onto land they don't even want because they essentially lose gil by giving it up with no guarantee of being able to replace it. Giving players a facility by which to move house without risking losing everything in the process would actually give house owners more freedom and would see fewer plots of land being squatted.

Giving us this facility prior to a housing ward being opened up in Ishgard would be a VERY good move as it would ensure that when those new Ishgard plots open up, people would move house and open up new plots across ALL of the housing wards at the same time. This would give players opportunities to acquire land in all four cities, as well as distribute the land-grab stampede across multiple areas. In short, it would improve everyone's chances of getting something they actually want.

How does SE plan to do the transfer system? Will people wanting to transfer their house be able to sign up prior to the new wards going live (i could still see that being a mess) or will they have to wait til the servers go live which everything will be bought up in minutes anyways making the transfer system useless.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

How does SE plan to do the transfer system? Will people wanting to transfer their house be able to sign up prior to the new wards going live (i could still see that being a mess) or will they have to wait til the servers go live which everything will be bought up in minutes anyways making the transfer system useless.

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Nobody knows yet but there are ways they can prevent it if they are smart about it; like reserve certain wards/subdivisions for transfer and reserve others for new buyers only for 7-14 days when the system first gets implemented.

Since we are only getting apartments in 3.4, Ishgard/Transfers most likely won't get implemented till 3.5.

Or they can be weird and release the transfer in 3.45 with no real place to transfer to and release Ishgard and maybe 1 or 2 more wards in 3.5

My best guess is the transfer system will allow current house owners to buy a house in Ishgard, but doing so will demolish their current house. All their stuff in said house will be dumped onto the resident caretaker. Essentially, I'm seeing it like if you allowed the 45 days to lapse. I'd hope they tweak it so you don't lose certain items which cannot be stored though.

Not even sure why people think that Ishgard will have its own housing this late into the expansion.

I mean, if we just got the apartments (in the OG wards)...when will they have the time to make and release a brand-new housing area before they will have to completely dedicate themselves to everything 4.0? I mean, we have more MSQ to set that cliffhanger up...I'm sure more side stories. I'm sure we'll get even more silly crossover content...

Just saying, it's more likely that this is it and the next housing to look forward to is 4.0 housing elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

My best guess is the transfer system will allow current house owners to buy a house in Ishgard, but doing so will demolish their current house. All their stuff in said house will be dumped onto the resident caretaker. Essentially, I'm seeing it like if you allowed the 45 days to lapse. I'd hope they tweak it so you don't lose certain items which cannot be stored though.

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This is my guess too. Although I think you will still have to pay the full price for the new plot, but you won't need to risk becoming homeless like now. Running to a new house after demolishing your old feels dodgy. :S

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Originally Posted by Alberel

Giving us this facility prior to a housing ward being opened up in Ishgard would be a VERY good move as it would ensure that when those new Ishgard plots open up, people would move house and open up new plots across ALL of the housing wards at the same time. This would give players opportunities to acquire land in all four cities, as well as distribute the land-grab stampede across multiple areas. In short, it would improve everyone's chances of getting something they actually want.

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Spot on. Not everyone wants an Ishgardian plot so having some house owners move in a safe way would open up plots to those who prefer an autumn lake landscape or a beach house. The last thing we want is people clinging to their old house because they are too afraid to move, and house seekers buying a house in Ishgard only because that's all there is available.

Seeing as many players work during the day anyhow, like when they recently added more plots, chances are many of us will miss out either way.
I would love a house in Ishgard but know very well i will never get one.
And on the topic, i thought they are done with houses? Going forward it will just be Apartments which to me FC rooms is the same pretty much