It kind of sucks being a new player

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Atrayl

When an MMO expansion comes out, and someone buys that expansion, the general hope is to be able to play the expansion and not content that has been irrelevant for over a year.

MMOs are social games; part of the fun is to experience things with people. You lose something when you're constantly playing catch up. It's like finally getting around to watching a movie years after it was popular. No one cares that you just saw Catch Me If You Can for the first time. No one wants to talk about it. You missed the boat.

You don't buy The Burning Crusade to farm Scholomance for a month.

---

None of that content is irrelevant and nothing is stopping them from farming Law Tomes and doing Alexander.
The only thing that's irrelevant at the moment is Coil and Crystal Tower. High Level dungeons are still being run daily for exp and relic upgrades.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SaitoHajime

Basically what I'm getting is that they did nothing besides MSQ and lvl to 60. Now its bitting them in the ass since they now have to go back do GC quests to rank up for hunts, unlock all the side quest dungeons/ run them all to unlock roulettes ect.

---

You can't just do all MSQ to get to 60. I blame NThan.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rhysati

The problem is that there is no incentive to do those things until you are 60 and HAVE to.

---

You don't HAVE to. Nothing in the daily roulette is required to progress at endgame (at this point in time at least). The only thing that you get is a measly amount of Law tomestones that you can easily get from the Expert roulette or the duties associated with it.

OP is a WHM....find a friend on ANY lvl 60 job and you can duo all of these dungeons in half a day. Don't expect any sympathy from the vets though. Anyone who has done a relic had to do 20 or so runs of Darkhold or Aurum Vale to get a Zodiac drop. Talk about absolutely no reward....

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SpecialKK

You can't just do all MSQ to get to 60. I blame NThan.

---

i was tempted to see how much exp i would recieve if i fate grinded to level 50 while keeping all side quests open, then did the MSQ.

then i realized i'm a lazy prat that would never actually do it.

meanwhile i have a perfectly good pld sitting at level 50 just before CM and haven't used her in months.

You think that's bad? Try being a new tank. I seriously almost cried because of the "elite" players wanting speed runs through those fifteen dungeons.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Elim

Forced to enjoy content that is new to you? :/

Back in the day, you could do a roulette without unlocking all of the dungeons connected to it. However, people would purposely not unlock certain dungeons (WP) so that they never got it. So the devs implemented the lockout. That way pops weren't horrible for dungeons that weren't favored by the tome farmers.

---

Correct me if I'm wrong but I didn't unlock Cuttercry yet I still can enter Low Roulette :/ (I unlock it when I do Animus Relic)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Eul

Correct me if I'm wrong but I didn't unlock Cuttercry yet I still can enter Low Roulette :/ (I unlock it when I do Animus Relic)

---

Yeah sorry I'm a derp sometimes. They recently raised the lockout on low. However it had a lockout for quite some time pre 3.0.

edit: however, I thought you needed to unlock cutters to progress the main story? IDK my memory of 2.x story is basically gone.

I didnt unlock the lvl 50 roulette because i don't want to waste tons of hours in dungeons that aren't current, so it sits locked for me, forever.

I got all the law by running fractal continuum a million times.

In less than a week you can have full law, it's not that hard.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Elim

edit: however, I thought you needed to unlock cutters to progress the main story? IDK my memory of 2.x story is basically gone.

---

Nope I didn't touch Cuttercry until I'm in Animus phase yet I cleared 2.55 MSQ.

EDIT: Also people who party with me confused with me when there's achievement of me clear Cuttercry's map and I'm 50 lol.

To be frank, it always sucks being a new player when you join an MMO that's well established with many updates. You always have to catch up to everyone else. That's just something players have to deal with.

Oh no! The game is making me play the game! This is unacceptable! D:

I don't like how people are acting in this thread. The "I had to do it why don't you?" or "Oh noes you got to play the game". Most smart companies when content scales ahead, they would not have players go back to do old content to unlock features for new ones.

Well, whatever.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Wavaryen

I don't like how people are acting in this thread. The "I had to do it why don't you?" or "Oh noes you got to play the game". Most smart companies when content scales ahead, they would not have players go back to do old content to unlock features for new ones.

Well, whatever.

---

Do you feel clever for stating this? Does big boy want a cookie?

Yeah, a lot of other companies probably would've. But the situation is what it is, and it says a lot (and none of it good) when someone rolls their eyes so hard that they're liable to pop right out of their skull when they're expected to pace themselves even moderately.

It honestly surprises me that the FFXIV wants its community to die because this is heavily offputting to new players who probably won't stick around to do the 2 to 3 weeks worth of old content grind just to play with their friends in the new relevant content.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SpiritMuse

Oh no! The game is making me play the game! This is unacceptable! D:

---

Here is the difference between a good MMO and a bad one: The bad one makes you play it because it uses casino tactics and group mentality to force you to do so. A good MMO makes you play it because the game itself is interesting and enjoyable to play around in. That's why I'm always going on about witcher 3 and other single player titles: They succeed in being invocative titles without relying on by the nose gear grinding, group scheduling, and forced daily routines.

Really, the way we got here is kind of funny as well. The problem the developers ran into with this style of game is that once people have played content for a certain number of times or outleveled it, they'd never go back to do it again except under rare situations. So to solve this, instead of making the dungeons flexible in scale, they added a way to get end game currency to them. However, they also made the end game gear required to access all the content, so instead of doing the dungeons for personal enjoyment, people end up doing them because

A) The daily roulette system encourages them to dive in every day for the currency
B) The currency is required to get the gear needed to do the final stage of patch content so they can do the end game stuff.
C) The guild they likely are in may or may not demand that they have the gear or even excessive gear for the end game content in question.

Hence, we ultimately end up with an unintentional mental mouse trap that encourages people to grind everyday and reinforces the community behavior talked about in C.

"Hi. I'm new and I want to be full i200 the next week."

PS; It's not a constructive comment? I know, but just felt like letting it here after readin OP, reather, I HAD TO let it out here before starting a long-rant about how I feel that all my progress in game is now a thing people does in weeks.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by l---------------l

"Hi. I'm new and I want to be full i200 the next week."

PS; It's not a constructive comment? I know, but just felt like letting it here after readin OP, reather, I HAD TO let it out here before starting a long-rant about how I feel that all my progress in game is now a thing people does in weeks.

---

Well, the only reason people even feel like they need i200 gear is due to the silly mousetrap experience MMOs have been delivering for years where we need to "prepare" to engage in the next set of content by meeting iLvL requirements. I mean, do we really need this kind of thing? The game lets us craft, gather, and play multiple different classes on the same character. Why do we need to focus on constantly keeping ONE job up to date with currency locked gear at all times just to be able to access all of the new content each time they release it?

Oh no! So much content to play!
I just wanted to get the strongest gear and then complain there's nothing to do!

All the existing players had to spend however many year(s) getting to where they are, so why should new players get some kind of express pass to the end? We had it WAY harder, when the HM dungeons were actually hard and challenging. Now you can pretty much be watching TV while doing them.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Gramul

Oh no! So much content to play!
I just wanted to get the strongest gear and then complain there's nothing to do!

---

Partly because you got people who rush forward, then complain they have nothing to do or try to get others on the fast track and thus encouraging others to grab currency locked gear over other pursuits. At least that is my take on it. It comes down to wanting to experience content over experiencing gear or feature grinds, which are a remnant of the old-hat mmo design philosophy pushed to popularity by Blizzard in 2006-2007.

I like how nobody is actually listening to the OP.

Level 50 dungeons not giving experience is horrible, it should give experience like EVERY OTHER DUNGEON. =D

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

I like how nobody is actually listening to the OP.

Level 50 dungeons not giving experience is horrible, it should give experience like EVERY OTHER DUNGEON. =D

---

Eh, I think it's mostly because we've seen a few posts on this already and said our peace on it earlier in the thread rather than outright ignoring the OP. :)