Au Ra physiology and other lore.

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Originally Posted by PotatoSalad

Whenever someone calls them "Me-coats" I want to punch them with plushy moogle fists. D:<

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Whenever I type it out, it always comes out as Miquote, even though I'm pronouncing it correctly in my head. When in doubt, assume Japanese pronunciation.

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Originally Posted by Dynza

With that said, and tying back into the au ra spelling and pronunciation, I do wonder why they went with the "Au" spelling instead of the "Ou" since you still can get the same sound without it running into similar spelling and sounding words like aura.

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I dunno about anyone else, but I don't see it pronounced the same as the "ou" in "ouch," despite what Ferne said earlier. Now, before anyone accuses me of ignoring the devs on this, not that he also said Auri rhymes with Maori. And http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...M%C4%81ori.ogg sounds like what I expected from Auri, but does not at all sound to me like an "ow" sound. That is, the "a" and "u" of the word keeping their distinct sounds rather than combining.

Maybe my brain just isn't separating the "ow" sound into its component parts correctly, but either way, I'm not getting it. >_>

I'm probably more used to Japanese phonetics in that every vowel is distinct, so I've always read it as "ah-oo rah" so even with the race name and the fact the sword presumably from an Auri warrior is named Zantetsukan which is Japanese, it is highly probable that they will still draw from Japanese.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

I dunno about anyone else, but I don't see it pronounced the same as the "ou" in "ouch," despite what Ferne said earlier. Now, before anyone accuses me of ignoring the devs on this, not that he also said Auri rhymes with Maori. And http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...M%C4%81ori.ogg sounds like what I expected from Auri, but does not at all sound to me like an "ow" sound. That is, the "a" and "u" of the word keeping their distinct sounds rather than combining.

Maybe my brain just isn't separating the "ow" sound into its component parts correctly, but either way, I'm not getting it. >_>

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Au and Ow and Ou are making the exact same sound, Ariacakes. :O

For the record, the name of the race in katakana is アウラ, which if you know Japanese even a hair leaves the pronunciation super clear. (And the pronunciations of race names between Japanese and English are largely exactly the same, so.)

(For the curious: ア is a kind of "low A", ウ is usually romanized as "U" but is slightly closer to an "oo", but not as high; ラ is just literally "ra".)

Though Ferne, a little question if I may: I noticed from the start that it's アウラ in Japanese, and not アウ・ラ - there's no interpunct separating the two major syllables. Is the separation of the syllables in English just for clarity (so that people don't try to literally pronounce it as "aura", which wouldn't be right)? Despite the space, it is meant to be pronounced as more or less one word, I take it.

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Originally Posted by Myranda

I do not believe he was differentiating the clans, but rather saying they would not be similar to Hyuran names.

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Yeah, I'll admit that even as I was posting that, I thought "wait, you can also read that as both having the same basic root". We'll have to see what the ultimate situation is.

The darker-scaled clan is going to be Dravanian, just you wait, I'll show you aaaalllllll

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Originally Posted by PotatoSalad

Au and Ow and Ou are making the exact same sound, Ariacakes. :O

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That depends on your language (and dialect) :P
What may sound the same to you could be pronounced very differently by someone else.

To me, at least two of those sound very different.

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Originally Posted by Alice_89th

To me, at least two of those sound very different.

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Yeah, I can't think of a situation where au sounds like the other two. I mean, I know what it would take, but I can't think of any words where that happens. . .

Audi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENBkmJNcDDo

Now just replace "Dee" with "Ra" (and it is said as one word)

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Originally Posted by treuhavik

Audi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENBkmJNcDDo

Now just replace "Dee" with "Ra" (and it is said as one word)

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In my defence, I rarely think of cars. :p

Besides, I don't think that pronunciation is even supported by the katakana.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

In my defence, I rarely think of cars. :p

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That was just the first word I thought of that matches the "Ow" sound found in Au Ra, lol.

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Originally Posted by treuhavik

That was just the first word I thought of that matches the "Ow" sound found in Au Ra, lol.

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So the "ra" in Au Ra is pronounced like Ra the Egyptian God but Au Ra as a whole is pronounced as one word rather than two, thus Ow-Ra vs Ow(Space) Ra.

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Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

So the "ra" in Au Ra is pronounced like Ra the Egyptian God but Au Ra as a whole is pronounced as one word rather than two, thus Ow-Ra vs Ow(Space) Ra.

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That's my understanding. "OwwRah!" - like you're barking back immediately after saying "Ow". "Au Ra" possesses a hard R, therefore it sounds allllmost like two words. The spacing is meant to help distinguish that difference in pronunciation. Saying the R too soft would make it sound like "aura" and with out the space it would be written "aura" - confusion on two fronts.

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Originally Posted by treuhavik

That was just the first word I thought of that matches the "Ow" sound found in Au Ra, lol.

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How... how does that match the "Ow" sound?! It is clearly an "Au" sound! xD

(it... it sounds exactly like it is written to me.....I never would have thought to pronounce 'Audi" in any other way either... I KNOW different languages pronounce things differently, even pointed it out a few posts earlier, but it never ceases to amaze me whenever differences pop up)

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Originally Posted by Alice_89th

How... how does that match the "Ow" sound?! It is clearly an "Au" sound! xD

(it... it sounds exactly like it is written to me.....I never would have thought to pronounce 'Audi" in any other way either... I KNOW different languages pronounce things differently, even pointed it out a few posts earlier, but it never ceases to amaze me whenever differences pop up)

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Au and Ow are the same phonetic syllable in English. The main difference would be between the European English, American South East, and American North East dialects. Even then it would only sound slightly different.

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Originally Posted by StarDrake

for various reasons, it is extremely likely that the main body of the Dravanian Horde is composed in significant part of Au Ra, and that the dark-scaled Au Ra are in fact going to be the "Dravanian" clan. So it's very possible we'll see at least one during 2.5 part 1, and definitely during 2.5 part 2 with the siege of Ishgard.

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seems to me that

for some reason people keep overlooking the fact that the devs( think it was Yoshi-P himself that said it) have stated specifically the Au Ra will have no relation to the Dravanian Horde.

The Devs have said no such thing.

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Originally Posted by Wildsprite

seems to me that

for some reason people keep overlooking the fact that the devs( think it was Yoshi-P himself that said it) have stated specifically the Au Ra will have no relation to the Dravanian Horde.

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Source? Ive never heard of that

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Originally Posted by QuietGlasses

The Devs have said no such thing.

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yeah they did. it could have been misinterperated but they did say it.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Source? Ive never heard of that

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they did during one of the fan festivals. when they went into the information about the race. I think it was the Vegas one but it could have been the London one. they made it clear that the Au Ra could not be of any relation to Shiva.

would be nice if one of the community team would speak up about this. I know what they said but I can't find any standard def videos remaining of the las vegas fan festival other than the letter from the producer live.

I checked the Keynote of the LA stream and all they mentioned was that a new race was coming and that it wasn't the Viangaa. They didn't actually reveal the new Au Ra race until the Tokyo one in December.

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Originally Posted by Reinhart

I checked the Keynote of the LA stream and all they mentioned was that a new race was coming and that it wasn't the Viangaa. They didn't actually reveal the new Au Ra race until the Tokyo one in December.

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no but they did give clues about the new race during both of the fan festival events before Tokyo.

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Originally Posted by Wildsprite

no but they did give clues about the new race during both of the fan festival events before Tokyo.

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They said that the Au Ra come to Eorzea from Othard. That may suggest that they have no relation to the dravanian horde. However: That is not the same as specifically saying that they have no relation to the dravanian horde, as you claim them to have said.

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Originally Posted by Mholito

They said that the Au Ra come to Eorzea from Othard. That may suggest that they have no relation to the dravanian horde. However: That is not the same as specifically saying that they have no relation to the dravanian horde, as you claim them to have said.

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I cannot find the source at the moment however they did not suggest it, they specifically state the Au Ra have no relation to the Dravanian Horde. I will find the source though.

Since many people like to say they look more like hyrur and elezen with horns, wouldn't it be funny if the Au Ra are the predecessors of hyurs and elezens?

it is speculated that elves and hyurs share the same ancestors due to slightly similar names. Certainly alot more similar to each other than any of the other races

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Originally Posted by myahele

Since many people like to say they look more like hyrur and elezen with horns, wouldn't it be funny if the Au Ra are the predecessors of hyurs and elezens?

it is speculated that elves and hyurs share the same ancestors due to slightly similar names. Certainly alot more similar to each other than any of the other races

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One of the ancestors of the elves are high elves who knows what came before that or after before it became hyurs and elves.

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Originally Posted by myahele

wouldn't it be funny if the Au Ra are the predecessors of hyurs and elezens?

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Well this is thought provoking... What if all races are descendant of the Dragons...?

Erik implies that Midgardsormr was the first being of this world - he and water arriving on Hydaelyn simultaneously. Midgardsormr bore the species of Dragons, and, as we recently learned from the Blue Dragon Triple Triad card, they "evolve" at an extremely rapid pace.

So, if the Au Ra can be traced back to Midgardsormr, and Elezen/Hyurians traced to them, would it not be possible that dragons or Auri of other regions evolved...differently, as demanded by their environment?

(inb4 Lalafell evolved from Puks)


I don't actually believe this is the case, but the writers could make it work if at some point down the road they want to give everyone a "WTF" moment (and make Haldrath turn in his grave).

Couldn't they just be descended from Meracydia like the Dravanians?

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Originally Posted by Leviathonlx

Couldn't they just be descended from Meracydia like the Dravanians?

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The Meracydians descended from Bahamut (the real one), who was one of seven children sired by Midgardsormr. It's generally accepted now that some of Midgie's babies spread throughout Hydaelyn and birthed their own hordes. How many hordes there are at this point, we can't definitively say, but two of his seven are in Eorzea and at least one is long dead.

I think they look more voidsent if anything :)

Okay, so..new patch just dropped. Last content one before 3.0 (supposedly).

Where's the lore? I mean, yeah, it's nice we got to see *spoiler thing in the MSQ* but are we going to have to wait until Heavensward drops before we get to look at Au Ra lore to plan our characters out?


Something.
Give me something, please!

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Originally Posted by treuhavik

The Meracydians descended from Bahamut (the real one), who was one of seven children sired by Midgardsormr. It's generally accepted now that some of Midgie's babies spread throughout Hydaelyn and birthed their own hordes. How many hordes there are at this point, we can't definitively say, but two of his seven are in Eorzea and at least one is long dead.

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One of the Domans (I think Higiri) said there was a land of dragons somewhere near her homeland, though she never saw one herself.

Well, at least we got to see her finally.

http://i.imgur.com/lad9tT6.jpg

At the latest, we can at least expect some Au Ra lore with the benchmark that's planned for the end of the month, since character creation should have the general race spiel and then the two clans.

Though we can also hope some gets teased in the upcoming live letter or with the Developer's blog, or that they update the Heavensward website with new info sooner or later.

I'm really disappointed that she just lost her mask and that's it, no one is surprised or anything. I know a lot happened but still, she has freaking horns and scales and it's okay.

Yes, needless to say, this patch was an enormous disappointment on the Au Ra front. I was looking forward to a detailed reveal, and Yugiri doesn't even mention her race's name and nobody has a comment aside from Tataru's "she's pretty!" I mean, yes, Alf was in "a state" shall we say, but seriously, a little bit of backstory dump would've been a nice wind-down after all that action. Or even some before things begin happening, really. Her cavalier attitude towards it was really strange, as well, since she'd previously made such a massive fuss about not showing her face for fear of sparking fear and suspicion.

That said, it looks like I, at least, need to admit defeat: Yugiri seems to have lost her mask in Mor Dhona, and entered Dragonhead unmasked and was made known to Haurchefant and the guards (given his comments about your "comrades" waiting for you). It does seem like there will not be any Dravanian Au Ra, since if there were Auri in the Horde, Yugiri would've been met with nothing but cold steel at Dragonhead, rather than shelter. I suppose there's an off-off-off chance that they recognized her white scales as opposed to dark ones, but one would think it would still rate substantial comment from the Ishgardians if someone who looks like a portion of their ancient enemy trotted through their gates.

(Of course it's strange that none of the Ishgardians comment on her draconic features period, but, well, see first paragraph.)

Hopefully a lot more information comes with the live letter and benchmark. I definitely can't hide disappointment at how the "reveal" has been handled to date, though.

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Originally Posted by Reinhart

Well, at least we got to see her finally.

http://i.imgur.com/lad9tT6.jpg

At the latest, we can at least expect some Au Ra lore with the benchmark that's planned for the end of the month, since character creation should have the general race spiel and then the two clans.

Though we can also hope some gets teased in the upcoming live letter or with the Developer's blog, or that they update the Heavensward website with new info sooner or later.

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Losing faith in Au Ra rising...

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Originally Posted by StarDrake

Yes, needless to say, this patch was an enormous disappointment on the Au Ra front. I was looking forward to a detailed reveal, and Yugiri doesn't even mention her race's name and nobody has a comment aside from Tataru's "she's pretty!" I mean, yes, Alf was in "a state" shall we say, but seriously, a little bit of backstory dump would've been a nice wind-down after all that action. Or even some before things begin happening, really. Her cavalier attitude towards it was really strange, as well, since she'd previously made such a massive fuss about not showing her face for fear of sparking fear and suspicion.

(Of course it's strange that none of the Ishgardians don't comment on her draconic features period, but, well, see first paragraph

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Exactly how I felt. I was hoping for more than just "yeah lost my mask woops so anyway..." and that was it.

Yeah, it doesnt exacly help that we don't even get to speak with Yugiri again. She just disappears and say "we domans will help"

I am guessing everything will be handled off screen and we'll pretty much here dialogue about people's reaction to the au ra from npcs in 3.0

I approve!

Was kind of expecting her to have a more demonic/succubus look to her, as that would be a VERY GOOD REASON to hide her face (around those in Ul'dah, Gridania and Limsa Lominsa. Coerthas too, though I think they're more concerned about dragons, which she apparently does not look like given that she can apparently waltz around Dragonhead, the land of dragon haters).

I was a little disappointed that her face was pretty, was hoping for a scar or two.

Hasn't Alphinaud already seen her face before? I swear there was a cutscene when we first meet her?

I'm not sure about you, but my character looks pretty shocked when he saw Yugiri (who was off screen at this point).

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Originally Posted by TheMunimai;2879988[U

]I was a little disappointed that her face was pretty, was hoping for a scar or two.[/U]

Hasn't Alphinaud already seen her face before? I swear there was a cutscene when we first meet her?

I'm not sure about you, but my character looks pretty shocked when he saw Yugiri (who was off screen at this point).

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I totally called that she would turn out to be way prettier than the other female NPCs. Yes, yes opinions, I know.