Dark Knight

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Originally Posted by Delily

Fun fact: neither Cecil nor the king of Baron were "dps", both were more protectors and tanks. There is precedence for drk tanks.

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Cecil was actually pretty good DPS. It is also worth noting that KAIN was a better tank than Cecil at that point in the game and he was a gorram dragoon.

you can't compare a solo game and a mmorpg, if we was following the ff lore, most of the jobs will be dps... they needed to add class that are tank.

and sorry if you don't like this, but a big armor, with spell that cripples the enemy and drain them make it a perfect fit for a tank.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

you can't compare a solo game and a mmorpg, if we was following the ff lore, most of the jobs will be dps... they needed to add class that are tank.

and sorry if you don't like this, but a big armor, with spell that cripples the enemy and drain them make it a perfect fit for a tank.

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Yeah most Final Fantasy titles don't even have defined roles, so comparing their MMO counterparts doesn't necessarily work.

Celes was an amazing "magic tank" and she didn't even have a class. Oh, you wanna cast a spell? Gimme.

YES!!!!!!! I wanted to be a DRK tank so badly. It was the best tank job in FFXI for many years can't wait to tank on DRK again.

I just really wanted it to be dps so I could have a sword and shield tank and 2 handed sword or sword and shield dps. Now my hopes of being Dark Knight and Paladin together for different purposes is gone...

"Drk is the way it was in FF4, FFT, FF X-2, instead of the way it was in FFXI! I'm MAD! I want it the way it was in FFXI!"

No matter how its argued or prettied up, this is the view of people who are mad about it being tank.

Its not like SE is going back on their decision, you're just gonna have to deal with it.

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I welcome Dark Knight as a tank class.

Too many dps classes already, if you want to play Dark Knight you need to actually have some responsibility in the party than just pewpewpew damage damage damage :D

I mean that in the most non-saracastic, sarcastic way.

I think it's intriguing that it's a tank. ROG/NIN got a pretty balling skill-set list, I'm sure they'll hook DRK up.

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Originally Posted by Dashuto

"Drk is the way it was in FF4, FFT, FF X-2, instead of the way it was in FFXI! I'm MAD! I want it the way it was in FFXI!"

No matter how its argued or prettied up, this is the view of people who are mad about it being tank.

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Well, and those of us who really wanted a sword-based DD >_>

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

Well, and those of us who really wanted a sword-based DD >_>

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True that brother.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

Well, and those of us who really wanted a sword-based DD >_>

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Very much this, i just wanted to actually kill things with a sword without having to tank. My group of friends i play with already have a huge problem with EVERYONE wanting to tank as it is.

I have also never played XI, so good luck trying to play that card with me.

Should be DD

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Originally Posted by Anarnee

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Yessss........
So torn now though. If samurai comes out and is another 2h sword tank.
What... will... I do?....

THANK GOD IT'S A TANK.

Phew, that is a crisis avoided.

Imagine being a healer and having to heal someone with Blood for Blood on all the time and they only have as much health as a DRG?

That'd suck.

Also, I'm willing to be the Sword DPS job will be a fencer of some sort.

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Originally Posted by Dashuto

"Drk is the way it was in FF4, FFT, FF X-2, instead of the way it was in FFXI! I'm MAD! I want it the way it was in FFXI!"

No matter how its argued or prettied up, this is the view of people who are mad about it being tank.

Its not like SE is going back on their decision, you're just gonna have to deal with it.

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Not that I don't think that DRK is cool as a tank, but FFX-2's DRK wasn't really a 'tank'. It was probably more akin to a DD, especially with 'Darkness'.

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Originally Posted by Dashuto

"Drk is the way it was in FF4, FFT, FF X-2, instead of the way it was in FFXI! I'm MAD! I want it the way it was in FFXI!"

No matter how its argued or prettied up, this is the view of people who are mad about it being tank.

Its not like SE is going back on their decision, you're just gonna have to deal with it.

:cool:

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I just wanted a DPS option for the classes/jobs that wield the most iconic melee WEAPONS in human history. (Swords, Axes, etc.)

Hell, it's a GREAT SWORD for crying out loud. Anyone's initial thought with such weapon types would be to CUT THINGS!




Atleast I won't have to worry about gearing it up... Sigh.

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Originally Posted by Parodine

Not that I don't think that DRK is cool as a tank, but FFX-2's DRK wasn't really a 'tank'. It was probably more akin to a DD, especially with 'Darkness'.

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hm..... IMO DRK in FFX-2 was extremely tanky.

Gotta love life sometimes... I go to re enlist, SE announces expansion goodness abouf the time i should be getting in basic. Oh irony lol
Anyways on topic: I vaguely recall it being said that the exapnsion would bring a tank, healer, ranged dealer and heavy dd (if someone had a link that'd be awesome, I'm at wotk atm) my predictions for new jobs are;
Dark knight- tank
Samurai - heavy dd
Ranger - ranged dd
And idk about what the healer will be.

There goes my dream of being a Drk again.

Oh well...

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Originally Posted by Sarynth

Dark knight- tank
Samurai - heavy dd
Ranger - ranged dd
And idk about what the healer will be.

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Healer Job will be Engineer based on Muskateer class, the ranged class you are hoping is ranger.

I'll bet on it.

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Originally Posted by Xoriam

hm..... IMO DRK in FFX-2 was extremely tanky.

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Just out of curiosity, how so? Looking at their job skill-list, it's all status effects and damaging abilities.

If there were any tanks in that game, Berserker with its counters and Samurai with its self-buffs and interrupts probably fit the bill more.

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Originally Posted by Rosalynd

Very much this, i just wanted to actually kill things with a sword without having to tank. My group of friends i play with already have a huge problem with EVERYONE wanting to tank as it is.

I have also never played XI, so good luck trying to play that card with me.

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if samurai will come, you can expect it to be a dps now

I was hoping DRK would have been a DD but oh well just another job I will level and slowly gear but not play beyond doing stuff in open world.

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Originally Posted by Parodine

Just out of curiosity, how so? Looking at their job skill-list, it's all status effects and damaging abilities.

If there were any tanks in that game, Berserker with its counters and Samurai with its self-buffs and interrupts probably fit the bill more.

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Maybe the skills weren't so much, but i remember once I got DRK thats all I used because it took pretty much no dmg.

I lol i remember in FFX-2, all i did was DRK all the way through the game. Good HP pool and did good dmg lol

a bit surprise seeing it as a tank. was kinda hoping for Scythe DPS user. But Oh well. Keep going SE!

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

if samurai will come, you can expect it to be a dps now

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The class that should be DPS becomes a tank and the class that should tank becomes a DPS. Kinda backwards if you ask me, but its not likely to happen anyways.

SAM will end up being the tank of the next expansion, calling it now.

I will like to point out the reason why Dark Knight may not have a class is because it is a Advance Job.

Yoshi-P mentioned back in 2.0 he has plans for Advance Jobs that will require may be 2 Jobs to unlock such as the example he used being Red Mage requiring both Black Mage and White Mage.

Though I question how a Dark knight will work as a Tank since in past FF lore the Dark Knight was known for being a DD Job with tank like stats that was used to keep itself alive while it used its own HP to perform High DD level damage.

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Originally Posted by FallenWings

Hell, it's a GREAT SWORD for crying out loud. Anyone's initial thought with such weapon types would be to CUT THINGS!

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No, there initial thought would be to gain MASSIVE attention.

Greatswords also bring intimidation/attention to your enemies. In MMO words, HUGE AGRRO PULL! Plus your slashing at the boss, whats wrong with that when your a Tank?

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Originally Posted by Rosalynd

The class that should be DPS becomes a tank and the class that should tank becomes a DPS.

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Samurais would have little to no defense, given with parry's or not. There armor was not meant for the tanking type unlike full armor. At least with DRK, you could have different playstyle options. take full damage and attack to regenerate health, or lower health to deal good damage and inflict debuffs. Plus, these DRK's sound like they are going to be a bit different.

When they said they were adding DRK, it was pretty obvious it was going to be a tank class. Did they not say they were adding a tank, a dps, and a healer? Well if ROG/NIN is the dps and we were still waiting on hearing about the tank and healer classes, it's pretty easy to figure out it would be a tank. I think it will make a cool tank. Why would they release another DPS class? We have plenty of those. Going back many years ago when FF2 was released, before we knew it was actually the 4th game in the series, on SNES Cecil was a DRK and he was considered a tank.

Wow, the Dark Knight as a tank who uses 2-handed swords was the job I was hoping to see the most and they delivered it! I'm so happy that they made this choice, I almost can't believe it xD

Btw Dark Knight was really the best option as a classic tank job: as a DPS it would have been a complete waste, especially since there are already too many DPS jobs (even more if you also consider rogue/ninja and a future gunner class).

The comment about it being a magic/parry/dodge tank worries me. Because that's what they tried to do with Rune Fencer in XI and they failed horribly because it struggles to survive physical based damage and the % reduction of Paladin's cooldowns/shields just totally outclass its resistance to magic damage. It could turn into 2.0 Warrior all over again if they don't balance it properly (Being different does not make you better, or even preferable as a niche case). Nobody is going to care if you're only taking like 1/3 of the magical damage from Megaflare or whatever if Ravensbeak is doing 2/3 more (Than a standard tank). Most of the attacks in this game that are actually expected to kill tanks are large or continuous physical hits (Death Sentence, Ravensbeak, Bahamut's Claws, Mountain Buster, Hood Swing, Double Wicked Wheel). Being resistant to magic damage more than physical damage doesn't help you survive any of that. The only thing it does help you with are reduce the damage to things like Earthen Heart, Mega Flare, Avatar Lasers/Mines in T8...none of which is really expected to kill the tank with the exception of some unfortunate mine juggling in T8.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

I will like to point out the reason why Dark Knight may not have a class is because it is a Advance Job.

Yoshi-P mentioned back in 2.0 he has plans for Advance Jobs that will require may be 2 Jobs to unlock such as the example he used being Red Mage requiring both Black Mage and White Mage.

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Someone who actually uses their brain when reading that statement! And not jumping on the 'get rid of the classes/yay no classes anymore' train!

Sure, adjustments here and there will be nice, but getting rid of the current classes? You'll be butchering the lore and backstories of three city-states to the point that history may as well take a dump people obviously don't care for it. Asides from PLD, none of the jobs have ANY special history with the three starter city-states. Let's use Gridania as an example~

Gridania's lore involving the elementals will be utterly destroyed if Conjurer got removed. You can hardly say its easy to replace conjurers with White Mages considering their powers have a substantial difference, with White Mage already established a source of their power (Amdapor City) and how Conjurers have a deep history with interactions of the forest's elementals.. If DRGs were to replace Lancers? May as well cut out the entire history of Wood Wailers then, because Dragoons came from Ishgard, so congratulations, you just eliminated a third of Gridania's battle force!

I don't mind adjustments. I want jobs themselves to have more prominent features and skills, but cutting out the class system is not an option.

It's not hard to imagine why DRK may not require a class. Of Limsa Lominsa, Gridania, Ul'dah and Ishgard, Ishgard is the one city-state which ties a job so heavily into its history that it doesn't have a base class in its city of origin; Dragoon. Or if it does, it's expected by lore for Dragoons to lead the war against the Dravanian Horde, so it remains a big part of Ishgard. Seeing this, it won't be hard to imagine the expansion having other cities with heavy roots with jobs instead of classes.

great DK was a tank we need more cool tanks, and this is not ffXI so please people, stop to want this game to be another game

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

Well, and those of us who really wanted a sword-based DD >_>

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Maybe SAM will be he answer to your pleas?

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Originally Posted by Rosalynd

And there goes one iconic class butchered by the XIV team....

Truly disappointed in it being a tank.

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You realize drk was a tank before a dps right?Check out ff4

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Originally Posted by OmniKLD

You realize drk was a tank before a dps right?Check out ff4

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Pseudo tank. Kain was actually the better tank in that game before Cecil became a paladin.

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Originally Posted by Erudain

Maybe SAM will be he answer to your pleas?

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Maybe. Of the two, I'd rather have had DRK be the DD, I think; but time will tell. Honestly, neither of them make me think of tanks, but a lot of the posters here were sure that one or both (or neither) would become a tank. I'm not averse to the idea, so I'm taking it in stride.

Of course, there's still an opportunity for SE to make SAM a magic DPS job. :)

No base class? Could we finally get rid of the others then?

Shame about awkwardly shoving everything into the 3 role system. But great swords are a tempting offer.

no Scythe weapon? maybe will a add the scythe.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

No base class? Could we finally get rid of the others then?

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Makes what they did with Summoner and Scholar just appear awkward and forced at this point since it looks like they're going to just do away with the diverging class thing altogether at this point.

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Originally Posted by RagnaBahamut

no Scythe weapon? maybe will a add the scythe.

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I love XI, but Dark Knights have always traditionally been sword users. Either one-handers in IV or great swords in X-2 or XI. Yoshi-P even said a long time ago that he didn't understand why they would use Scythes.