You clearly have not played with a good bard. It's a very busy job when played well and they almost always are made to handle most mechanics in half of coil (turn 1, 2, 7, and 8 specifically).Quote:
Originally Posted by A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider
Younoob Tutorials.
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07-03-2014, 08:32 AMAmyNeudaiz
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07-03-2014, 09:17 AMSapphicDepends on how long it takes you to find a new party after they kick you for not going in with any knowledge :)Quote:
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07-03-2014, 09:23 AMJynxSaken
I watch videos. I do not watch Mr. Happy though. I watched a few of his and I do not like them. I know that the videos however are not the key to being "pro", it just lets me know what to expect.
I personally think it helps. It is a extra tool that I use for learning. I can't say that it makes me a better player or even a bad player. I don't think that someone who doesn't watch the videos is bad at playing either. It is just a matter of learning perspectives. -
07-03-2014, 09:36 AMShinkuTachiYeah, I personally prefer videos from MTQcapture. I don't have a problem with Mr. Happy, but I find that she does a better job explaining the fight and doing so in a concise manner.Quote:
Originally Posted by JynxSaken
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07-03-2014, 09:47 AMnecrosisAnd your point is?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eekiki
You like doing that. Fine. But don't be that "I'm not going to vaccinate my kids because of religious reasons" then wonder why other parents raise hell because there is a unvaccinated kid in their child's class. -
07-03-2014, 10:29 AMKuwagamiFunny how the people dieing first in Titan Ex or Levi Ex are usually the party leader putting "must have cleared before, 1 fail = kick, i95+ for titan Ex" (sigh). The one wanting a carry isn't exactly the ones joining. Thankfully we can tell who is an idiot with the absurd PF requirements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiruke
That's a bad reason. You should dislike Mrhappy's videos because they are often wrong in rotations, explain things badly and follow the rule "omahgerd need to be the first one to post a kill videooooooooo". (For those who don't know said rule, it's simple : get a more or less clean kill, then add random and/or inexact comments on it. Then post it as "the true one method to do it" and try to gather a bit of glory from it)Quote:
Originally Posted by A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider
Oh yeah, I guess I dislike him too because his twitch is asking us to pay. Good job Mrbaddy. -
07-03-2014, 11:26 AMNicoboI feel it was an advance version of the "main story CS problem" ^^;Quote:
Originally Posted by radioactive_lego
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07-03-2014, 11:32 AMKuroyashaQuote:
Originally Posted by ShinkuTachi
Checked her out. Nice vids. Only prob is that there isnt a t9 guide and her t8 guide came out 2 weeks ago. Furthermore, her Mog ex guide just came out yesterday. That's pretty late. I usually go with Mr. Happy and other FCs/statics who go for server-first 'cause I know they'll have a vid up much quicker -
07-04-2014, 12:51 AMAlteiriaaI like her vids, nice and quick, and even a idiot like me can understand them. The way I understand it, is she makes the videos when she's comfortable with how the fight works and her FC has it down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuroyasha
Her Mog one came out super late though because she hates the fight iirc, she wasn't even going to do it but people kept asking so she provided.
I.... I don't know why I know this stuff. :P -
07-04-2014, 01:05 AMYumi_umi
Imo ppl tend to copy the vids with the clearest anslysis of the fight/ easiest & less gimmicky way of doing the fight.
Ppl want to watch vids so that when they go into fights they will go from
Younoob to youpro after a few tries/ wipes. -
07-04-2014, 01:09 AMLeonBladeYeah, and OH LOOK, her Moggle Mog video is as long as Mrhappy's video! Isn't that weird? People always complain about Mrhappy having long videos, but now MTQcapture has a video just as long, someone call the police or something!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuroyasha
I love both of their videos, I'm on the same server Mizzteq, and I always see Bok Choy and like to throw things at him. No reason people should be hostile to anyone, they're just videos, if you don't like the bad players you get, don't play with them. -
07-04-2014, 01:12 AMTeaTimeBearI think it's because he's so well known that hostility breeds. If it were the reverse I'm sure she'd be being the one put on the examining table and talk about in a negative manner. It happens a lot when something or someone is popular.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeonBlade
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07-04-2014, 01:18 AMSouljacker
I never watch youtube. I feel it takes too long and you don't really get a feel for the abilities until you have personally felt them - but that doesn't mean I don't look at a guide before going in. Most guides are condensed with "need to know" information, and that's enough to get you through the really devastating mechanics. If you aren't willing to take the 2 minutes to do a guide search and glance at the boss's abilities, you do deserve to be kicked. A MINIMUM of effort is what people are looking for, not for you to wipe 5 times to the same mechanic because you are "learning" it instead of "watching" for it.
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07-04-2014, 01:37 AMKuwagamiNothing to do with being "famous" (see the difference with popular ?). People don't like him because :Quote:
Originally Posted by TeaTimeBear
1) his videos contain errors, which is a grave mistake if you intend to do a how to with rotations and stuff.
2) he's making people pay.
Such a great guy, really. -
07-04-2014, 01:44 AMTeaTimeBearMaking people pay?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuwagami
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07-04-2014, 01:58 AMKuwagamiyou can check his twitch if you really doubt it. You have to pay if you want to talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeaTimeBear
Also, his gameplay videos were advertized at some point iirc (I installed adblock since then, so can't really remember that, I might confuse with an other).
inb4 "Work should be rewarded". It's not work. it's a hobby. FFxiv isn't part of e-sport -
07-04-2014, 02:05 AMLeira_Raine
All in all, if I'm being told to watch a vid I'm bound to say no for two reasons.
1. I don't learn from videos. I learn at the same rate, if not faster when actually experiencing the thing.
2. I prefer to read guides, if I'm forced to.
That being said, when I'm learning, I only go with my FC or I will make a PF specifically stating I have not watched vids and people do not have to watch vids or read guides to join when learning.
However, very interested in creating a Dragoon guide sooner or later for many various situations/fights. -
07-04-2014, 02:22 AMColorOfSakuraShe doesn't have a T9 guide because I don't think her static has completed T9 *or* they haven't done it in a consistent enough manner for her to explain the mechanics and make a video for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuroyasha
The Mog EX one she skipped originally because she hates that fight. I believe she said she only did the fight once and didn't want to do it again, but she made the video because a bunch of people were requesting it and she felt it was necessary to help them out (since Mog EX is a pain to fight.) -
07-04-2014, 03:07 AMskatergerSounds like you got more issues with him than just "bad videos".Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuwagami
Can you provide some examples of wrong rotations or explanations in his videos? Granted I only watch his videos once or twice before doing the fight and I don't come back to it after I cleared that turn so I might be wrong. But I don't recall any grave mistakes and what is in the video generally tends to coincide with the fight in game.
Also would like to see any evidence that he claimed that his method is the "one true method" to do the fight. IIRC, his turn 8 video mentioned that there were many ways to push towers and what was shown in the video was only his group's way of doing it. He also mentioned that he would likely do another video to show a different method, but he never got around to doing it.
As for "omahgerd need to be the first one to post a kill videooooooooo", would like to see some evidence for this, if not its just your personal opinion and you have no idea if he was rushing it or not.
I wonder how many static groups would have been able to clear t6-t9 days/weeks after the content was released if they didn't have his video as a reference. What is undeniable is that he is the first to post end game video guides out there. Even if his methods are "wrong", if it works for him and gets a clean kill, then how wrong can it be? Also, the random/inexact comments make no sense unless you are suggesting he is purposely misleading people for some unfathomable reason.
Now, I also dislike him charging money for twitch, but from what you say the content is still free and accessible and you only need to pay if you wish to talk, which would only apply to die hard fans anyway. I don't see anything wrong with trying to earn a little additional money on the side. Also please don't take it personally as I'm not trying to attack you, but what you say just seems very biased to me as unless you know him in real life, many of your insinuations seem to be very unfair at least from a neutral standpoint (I also don't know him at all). -
07-04-2014, 03:17 AMKallera
Mrhappy's videos are designed to convey understanding of each aspect of the fight. The moves and actions, followed with a demonstration of a sucesssful fight.
Some guide are less detailed than that and offer a more succinct instruction.
Depending on the fight and the player one is more useful than the other.
But nothing beats actually going yourself and talking to others. What would have taken 3 minutes to explain with charts and a video can be conveyed with a "I got door signs" and "run out to the white and run back in" -
07-04-2014, 03:21 AMShinkuTachi
I don't know why this has suddenly turned into an attack on content providers @ youtube and twitch.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with what they do. Their guides are meant to familiarize you with a fight and give you a rough idea on how to deal with the mechanics. They are not the ultimate "how to" guides. How you and your group handles a fight and its mechanics is up to you and your group dynamic. Both Mr. Happy and MTQcapture, for example, are just fine in doing what they do.
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07-04-2014, 06:25 AMOrophinIt's just an issue created by the community itself, like many other issues that people try to get SE to "fix".Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinkuTachi
In terms of MMOs, video guides didn't become very popular until Tankspot started doing videos for WoW. It became the norm in that game to have DBM installed to yell in your ear everytime an ability is coming and to watch the Tankspot video to know what you're doing.
In the days prior to WoW, there were no community enforced requirements like these. People just kept attempting things until they completed it. Eventually some written guides would come out, but people seemed more patient several years ago, opposed to now where one wipe and people flip out and drop the group. -
07-04-2014, 06:38 AMShinkuTachiYeah, I'm an old FFXI player, this is the first game I've actually seen video guides used for. Personally, for the fights I've watched vids on, I've found beneficial for actually seeing the boss mechanics in action. Before, in FFXI, all I really had access to was text guides.Quote:
Originally Posted by Orophin
Personally, I don't have a problem with youtube or twitch content providers. I also don't see the difference in using a video guide or a text guide. The only difference is the avenue which the guide is being provided. -
07-04-2014, 07:00 AMNoshpanMy guess is that her static probably hasn't downed T9 yet (or at least not in an efficient a manner she's comfortable with). She might even have several recordings of it, but needs to make time in her schedule to edit the video(s) to make a suitable guide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuroyasha
As for her Mog Ex video, we're kind of lucky she even put one out. She hates the Good King Moggle Mog fight due to a bad first time experience (it's explained in one of her Q&A videos), but said that she would put out a video if there is enough of a demand for it (which there was).
She currently doesn't have a video for Gilgamesh (yet), but he's fairly easy to figure out without a video.
That means that his chat is in subscriber only mode. It's not uncommon for broadcasters to do that, usually in an effort to keep troll spam down. If you've got hundreds of viewers, it can be difficult for moderators to, well, moderate the spam. MANvsGame started going to sub-only about a year ago. He said he would reconsider it if he noticed a decline in viewership. So far, he's experienced the exact opposite, and has increased the number of viewers as well as subscribers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuwagami
The subscription fee is (usually) $4.99 a month. The partnered broadcaster gets X amount (they're contractually obligated NOT to say how much that amount is) while Twitch gets the rest. For older broadcasters such as MANvsGame, you get an add-free experience plus special emotes that you can use all over Twitch. Sadly, under the current partnered program, being a subscriber doesn't offer an add-free experience unless you pay the $9 for Turbo status (or use Ad-block).
That being said, there's nothing wrong with videos, and people releasing visual how-to guides, it's more of the people who demand that a video be watched first and the first time run must be done with absolute perfection. I've also seen people become verbally abusive because someone offered a different strategy to fighting the same boss than the one they use. They also insist that their method is the ONE TRUE METHOD to completing a fight/ dungeon. -
07-04-2014, 07:26 AMStarrywisdomIssue number one is they are taking tips from someone who they shouldn't be taking tips from. That guy is just one big massive joke/meme in the endgame community.Quote:
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07-04-2014, 09:13 AMKuwagamiYou surely haven't watched his Titan Ex and Ifrit Ex videos. I've wiped for month on titan because of idiots who were following his rotations exactly and were totally unable to adapt when they were clearly wrong (even the very first one, before 1st geocrush iirc.....)Quote:
Originally Posted by skaterger
as I said, I stopped watching his videos because I happened to dislike him. However, when I was still watching from afar, he was simply saying "do this, do that", even for T4. Maybe my view was biased.Quote:
Also would like to see any evidence that he claimed that his method is the "one true method" to do the fight. IIRC, his turn 8 video mentioned that there were many ways to push towers and what was shown in the video was only his group's way of doing it. He also mentioned that he would likely do another video to show a different method, but he never got around to doing it.
I'm fine with people posting a kill video (see BG or the other few releasing such videos as soon as they beat content). a tutorial video however, requires to be exact in your information. If you make a tutorial with errors, you're doing your job poorly. Where is the need of a primal guide in under 2 days ? Get a week to know all and THEN do your video. For coil it's a bit trickier, but you can always watch again you own record until your vocal comments reflect what's happening on the screen.Quote:
As for "omahgerd need to be the first one to post a kill videooooooooo", would like to see some evidence for this, if not its just your personal opinion and you have no idea if he was rushing it or not.
I wonder how many static groups would have been able to clear t6-t9 days/weeks after the content was released if they didn't have his video as a reference. What is undeniable is that he is the first to post end game video guides out there.
If your followers don't come only because you're the first, it doesn't matter, does it ? But generally speaking, the "omahgerd need to be the first one to post a kill videooooooooo" mentality is a bad consequence of the overwhelming amount of videos and the desperate need of consideration. Because if you're the first, no matter how wrong/bad you are, people will still come and refer to you above anyone else.
As for the statics, I wonder how they can be proud to beat a new content after a few days/weeks if they only did so after watching a guide ? Was it really that hard to try a bit more and eventually watch the guide after actually trying for a week or 2 ?
There aren't many hard to understand mechanics. You can get a hint of what to do after 1-3 wipes on the same mechanic (by testing everything possible on screen if you have no clue). Anyway, the statics you're referring to didn't use videos for reference, and even less Mrhappy's videos. If anything, they used kill videos from BG or similar groups to be able to pass a difficult phase for them and get access to the next turn.
The statics who use tutorial videos are the one who don't want to tackle the content by themselves or failed to grasp the mechanics.
The only advantage of twitch is that you can talk with the guys doing the video or the other watchers. Remove it, you get youtube, but you know you could interact and yet are unable to do so. I'd rather use youtube, as the social aspect of twitch is totally removed that way. As for the "earning money", it is *still* illegal to make money on licensed games unless the society possessing the license pays you to do the videos.Quote:
Now, I also dislike him charging money for twitch, but from what you say the content is still free and accessible and you only need to pay if you wish to talk, which would only apply to die hard fans anyway. I don't see anything wrong with trying to earn a little additional money on the side.
Square Enix encouraging people to advertize their game doesn't mean you have the right to make money on it.
see above. Nothing wrong with videos, but "how-to" guides have to be exact, or at least they need to follow what happens on screen. It's becoming rare with the rush to be the first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noshpan
as for the one true method problem in game....
T6 LoS
CT dragon to the north
CT Behemoth placement
Ifrit's LoS
T5 dives & LB on adds
T4 order for P5/P6
T2...
got a bit of T7 too with the kite vs stack method.
Levi Ex before some groups do it with 2 SCH 6 SMN
Moggle Ex when people refuse to even try Titan egi MT
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07-04-2014, 09:54 AMskaterger
^^
It seems like your argument is more about players deciding that there is only one true method than Mrhappy claiming so. I dont see how you can blame him for that. Kind of the whole gun control thing you know.
It's been months since I cleared titan ex so I will need to watch the video again. Currently at work now. -
07-04-2014, 09:55 AMR1dderI'm so fed up with this being an excuse for you to do whatever you want in this game. Everyone pays this fee, and they have the same rights to say "watch a video or don't join" as you say "i pay the fee and want experience through try and fail". If you want to do things your way go ahead, but don't make people who wants to get things done look like the bad guys. You can't expect everyone who either has experience from trial and error or a youtube video to be willing to guide you through a dungeon / trial if you're not willing to do some background research.Quote:
Originally Posted by radioactive_lego
- Mr. Happy is hardly the most effective guides out there. You will find others who explains things quicker and clearer, so for the people not wanting to watch a 30 min video... look below mr. happy and you'll find it when u search on youtube. -
07-04-2014, 10:16 AMKuwagami2 errors here :Quote:
Originally Posted by R1dder
1) You assume that OP was talking about PF, where it would more probably be DF. You have no right to flame people because they don't watch videos before joining DF.
2) videos don't give you any experience. At the very best they'll give you an vague idea of what's coming. If you want experience through videos, you'll have to study the fight with many videos and that time would be better spent trying in game.
(as a bonus : 3) Who needs a video for a dungeon seriously ? )