Thief/Ninja looks to be Inbound

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Originally Posted by DexteraDomini

Just the opposite actually, earlier in this thread someone posted a link to a Q&A where Yoshi specifically said new classes would come with patches, not expansions, because most legacy players already have all classes at 50 they want to get new classes out sooner and new areas will be in expansions.

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There are conflicting statements regarding timing of new classes/jobs.

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Originally Posted by L-D-Omlette

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Originally Posted by Dovah

He has never said classes and jobs would only come with expansions. What he said was they would be added in regular patches.

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Originally Posted by Kitru

Yoshi has actually said that they plan on adding classes/jobs as they see fit, whether it be through a patch or an expansion, rather than attaching them only to expansions. I'd be curious to see where exactly you've seen him contradict this.

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There was a recent interview (4th question) that implied, at this point in time, it was more likely that it would happen in an expansion. As with everything in this community that meant that this was the gospel truth, until proven otherwise.

I take it back, it was more explicitly stated than I remembered:

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Nova Crystallis: With Final Fantasy XI Square Enix has released a lot of full expansion packs and smaller add-ons and now with FFXIV you guys are releasing a lot of new content as free updates. How do you decide when you make that split – when do you start charging for content and how much content is going to be in what you charge for versus what will arrive in free updates?

ARR4Yoshida: In regards to what defines an expansion – if you can imagine the amount of content and material that was released with the relaunch (2.0) – that would be about the size of what we would consider an expansion. There will be a lot of new dungeons added, a lot of deep story – something that adds value to the game’s own staff roll. There are going to be a lot of new fields that will open up as well as the introduction of new classes and jobs. So you can expect it to be pretty big for it to be considered an expansion.

We’re aiming for it to be when people see the information of the expansion coming, they will see it and say “Oh yeah, this is worth paying for.”

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Originally Posted by DexteraDomini

I see what you mean but first, 1/3 of bards song set decreases magical resistance, encreasing the dps of any casters, 2nd, you couldn't really create a class that does more dps than bard without it being OP as bard is already the best dps in many situations.

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...but that's what other people in the thread are suggesting about Ranger.
ARC => BRD (DPS) // RNG (DPS)

GE- With ARR we’ll see Arcanist added with Summoner shortly after the game launches. Are there any other classes or jobs you’d like to see added? And will these be added in patches or expansions?
Yoshida- What I would like to see right?
First of all, we are planning a new race for an expansion pack. For the classes and jobs, we will introduce them through patches because all of the Legacy players have level 50 jobs anyway. When we introduce new classes and jobs we will probably increase the level cap at the same time.
About what I want to introduce it’s more like what I think I have to introduce. Something related to guns because the (musketeer) guild in the game. Something related to that I think I have to introduce.
Also I do feel that scouting classes are lacking so I want to bring in Thief, Ninja and those that have to do with stealth. Also more casters like BlueMage and RedMage are something I would like to add.
Whatever the players want, I want too.

Don't see any conflicing info really, aside what other people are posting they may or may not have heard Yoshi say, this is the only direct answer I found from the producer himself.

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Originally Posted by Exstal

...but that's what other people in the thread are suggesting about Ranger.
ARC => BRD (DPS) // RNG (DPS)

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Personally, I think people that are hoping for ranger should not hold their breath. With already having a bow dps, and a gun dps in the works, where would it fit in?

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Originally Posted by DexteraDomini

Just the opposite actually, earlier in this thread someone posted a link to a Q&A where Yoshi specifically said new classes would come with patches, not expansions, because most legacy players already have all classes at 50 they want to get new classes out sooner and new areas will be in expansions.

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Kind of late replying to that...lol

NIN would be glorious.

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Originally Posted by DexteraDomini

Personally, I think people that are hoping for ranger should not hold their breath. With already having a bow dps, and a gun dps in the works, where would it fit in?

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Well, they have mentioned adding more hybrid classes. Summoner and Scholar both use books, so it is possible that a ranger job could make it into the game and use a bow. I would bet that if this happened, bard dps would be lowered and their songs buffed to make them more of a support class.

I believe they will go the way of making a new base class.. say Rogue for now, and then it's level 30 would be a choice between thief or ninja. Ninja being sorta caster dps, melee aoe, things like that, while thief would go the role of support more, in which they steal things from the mobs, like thier buffs, and applying debuffs, bleeds, dots, etc. So they could make Ninja a higher dps, but thief more of a support.

They may also go the way of suprising people and making one of them a tank class, ninja a dodge tank lol like FF 11? or thief they could steal hate off people and steal hp with their attacks, things like that.

I just don't think they will bring out 2 new dps classes... just have a feeling, seeing as how tanks are needed more, a dps and a tank class, I don't think we need a healer class, white mage and scholar are just fine, tanks a dodge tank and a magic tank are needed/missing (just using WoW for example, you have a paladin-aoe tank, warrior-single tank, bear-dodge tank, and dark knight-magic tank)

We just have to wait and see... I just wish SE was more open with what their plans are, or what's coming, etc.

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Originally Posted by Deathscythe343

Well, they have mentioned adding more hybrid classes. Summoner and Scholar both use books, so it is possible that a ranger job could make it into the game and use a bow. I would bet that if this happened, bard dps would be lowered and their songs buffed to make them more of a support class.

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At the same time, what would a ranger job be? Everyone ASSUMES ranger means Final Fantasy 11 ranger.. but look at the ranger class through final fantasy history.


Final Fantasy 3 - ranger job from the fire crystal (original version) where archers with white magic, sooo could Ranger be a dps healer? (makes sense with the limit break doesn't it?)

Final Fantasy 4 - Rosa is a ranger/white mage in the game... We all call her a white mage, but in a sense she isn't she's a multi class.. or could she just a ranger itself and like Final Fantasy 3, be a dps healer???

Final Fantasy 5 - Ranger job from the fire crystal was an archer that called upon animals for assistance (a beastmaster?)

Final Fantasy Tatics A2 - Ranger job is a trap setter?

And of course Final Fantasy 11 - powerful dps

Other final fantasy's who use archer class, don't consider them rangers, but hunters

So the question is, which Ranger are we talking about? People need to stop assuming Final Fantasy 11 decides the jobs for this game, look at Summoner lol

So we have 2 ranger versions that are healers, 1 ranger version that is a pet class, and 1 ranger version that sets traps (not sure how useful that will be but hey), and then a ranger who is dps.

Honestly, people need to stop looking at Final Fantasy 11 and assuming that will decide how a job works in FF14 (again look at summoner or even dragoon lol)

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Originally Posted by Hiroradius

I believe they will go the way of making a new base class.. say Rogue for now, and then it's level 30 would be a choice between thief or ninja. Ninja being sorta caster dps, melee aoe, things like that, while thief would go the role of support more, in which they steal things from the mobs, like thier buffs, and applying debuffs, bleeds, dots, etc. So they could make Ninja a higher dps, but thief more of a support.

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And no matter how much you tried to differentiate THF and NIN with their 5 job skills, they would still play almost exactly the same, which is why you will never see 2 jobs stemming from the same class with the same role. If you want to claim that "support" is a role, it's not; it is a subrole of which BRD is the only real example.

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They may also go the way of suprising people and making one of them a tank class, ninja a dodge tank lol like FF 11?

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They will never make NIN a tank. Yoshi has said so, and everyone who hasn't played FFXI or played FFXI and actually understands the history behind why NIN became a tank realizes that, unless the devs do something equally stupid, NIN will not be a tank.

(btw, in FFXI, NIN wasn't an evasion tank; it was a blink tank; different set of mechanics)

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or thief they could steal hate off people and steal hp with their attacks, things like that.

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Enmity modification would be an essentially useless set of utility, and stealing hp is just a copy of any of a number of existing self heal based upon damage effects (Inner Beast is an "hp steal": it does damage and gives you the exact same amount as healing). Every other form of utility that a THF could provide based upon its historical abilities (re: steal) in the FF series would either be useless or end up making it a DoL class since the devs are never going to allow for one DoM/DoW class to have an explicit economic advantage over the other nor allow a DoM/DoW to tread upon the demesne of the DoL classes. Classically, the only THF attack is simply "attack" and they're not even particularly effective fighters. The only value in having a THF in party was gear/loot acquisition, which provided advantage because it often gave you gear that was unique and/or accessible earlier than you could buy it or get it through any other means.

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I just don't think they will bring out 2 new dps classes...

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Which is why we will never see both THF and NIN as (combat) jobs. The only roles they could possible be are DPS, and there's no way the devs are going to have both based off of the same class. The "separate classes" argument doesn't apply because Yoshi has explicitly stated that he's not going to include classes within the same niche, and THF and NIN are member of the same niche (light armored, stealth, short blade/dagger DPS).

We're either getting THF or NIN as a job; we're not getting both. If we're getting NIN as a job, it's going to be based off of the THF base class.

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Originally Posted by Hiroradius

Final Fantasy 3 - ranger job from the fire crystal (original version) where archers with white magic, sooo could Ranger be a dps healer? (makes sense with the limit break doesn't it?)

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The only reason that the FF3 Ranger got white magic was because the developers were still using D&D as a foundation for classes. Back in AD&D (and in 3.Xe to some extent), Rangers had access to low level divine magic which, in the FF series, is translated into White Magic.

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Final Fantasy 4 - Rosa is a ranger/white mage in the game... We all call her a white mage, but in a sense she isn't she's a multi class.. or could she just a ranger itself and like Final Fantasy 3, be a dps healer???

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Rosa is a straight up WHM that just so happens to use a bow. She has nowhere near the stats to be a DPS of any kind.

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Final Fantasy 5 - Ranger job from the fire crystal was an archer that called upon animals for assistance (a beastmaster?)

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Once again, D&D. Rangers got animal companions and the devs had a metric crapton of jobs to create. They weren't beastmasters since FFV actually *had* a beastmaster job which you got at the same time as Ranger. Ranger was the archer.

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Final Fantasy Tatics A2 - Ranger job is a trap setter?

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The name is only used because they ran out of synonyms for "archer". It's not a real Ranger because it doesn't have any of the trademark Ranger abilities (namely Barrage and Aim).

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So we have 2 ranger versions that are healers, 1 ranger version that is a pet class, and 1 ranger version that sets traps (not sure how useful that will be but hey), and then a ranger who is dps.

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Rangers have always been straight up DPS. The FF3 ranger was a DPS with some healing utility (it's a "healer" in the same way that PLD was a healer); Rosa was simply a WHM with a bow instead of a staff and Aim simply because there isn't really another character that uses bows. The FFV ranger was *not* a pet class; it was an Archer with a single random effect ability that was in no way defining of the job. The Seeq only got the job name because every other possible one was taken.

Do not look at the name of a job to determine the defining attributes of it. Look at the actual abilities of a job. Ranger has *always* been defined by the abilities Barrage and Aim. Guess what? We already have those in game with the archer, which is synonymous with Ranger in every single game (the only game with both has Hunter as the upgraded Archer so that you still have a viable bow job for the endgame).

RNG is already in game; people are just pissed because it's a class rather than a job.

Rangers would be a interesting and cool class with animal companions that function differently than the way pets do. Though a way they could work around this is buffs based on animals such as "Hawk Eye" but for them it would change to increasing their overall accuracy and would be continous like the various fist stances monks have. A interesting thought, but Aim in itself is already a cool and fun skill to use in Tactics. So even without companions Rangers would be fun imo.

Speaking of DnD I wonder if they could also somehow incorporate one of the skills most "good" rangers build up for which is (forgot the name) the one that every 5 feet you move back you gain a certain amount more damage on your next shot. THAT would be def. something cool. Combine with hit crit. chances, aim, and other various buffs we could earn a high burst skill in the form of that. Not neccessary of course, but just a cool thought. lol

Doubt its gonna be ranger, rangers would just be a redundancy of bards. This would mean that bards would have to changed, probably to a more supportive role, which will bring in the issue of balance and how this new role will fit into everything. Regardless, seriously seriously seriously doubt we're gonna be seeing a new job/class til expansion.

man this thread got derailed an never really came back huh lol

1. Yoshi stated himself, classes jobs = updates, races = x-packs (on that note, Yoshi does flip-flop on stuff constantly. Idk if i would outright call him a liar as someone else tried to imply earlier but he does definatly change his mind alot lol)
2. He stated the first of these jobs would be musketeer & thf/nin (which will be dual-weilding stealth dps such as rogues from WoW, confirmed by yoshi in the same post)
3. why all this talk about rng's? SE has NEVER said anything about rng yet lol. an why all of the debate on how its impossible for rng to come from archer? Replace the 5 songs with 5 damage dealing abilites/buffs. BOOM you have a rng that deals more dmg than a brd lol that was soooooo hard. I do think it would be pretty cool to hybridize rng an beatmaster into one like WOW's hunter. And no im not a ex-WoW player lol i am actually ex-xi player.
4. rdm's an runefencers use rapiers, so they will not be coming from gld or war lol most liekly a new fencer class would have to be introduced (not to mention that a rdm with only 5 rdm spells would suck lol)
5. yes Yugiri does state that she will begin teaching her job asap, therfore leading us to believe we will recieve thf/nin within the next patch or 2.
6. yes msk has been due since 1.0, but nowhere in any of the cs's did Merlwyb state that it was being opened up soon, she just shot a gun, which she should do, since it is her weapon lol. She didnt even show off any cool abilites like thancred an yugiri did, jsut shot a couple of shots. So i dont think msk is coming yet, but if it does cool good for SE, about time lol.

p.s. an before yall say, "the whole debate was not about rng being stronger than brd, but brd being made weaker in comparison", Brd was never meant to be top dps, hence the reason their dps got nerfed when they were the top dps lol so a rng being higher than brd on the dps scale would make total sense.

Man, I don't really care for all that nonsense. . . . I just want to hang up my Sphairai and get to dual wielding!

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Originally Posted by DoubleT

dual-weilding stealth dps such as rogues from WoW, confirmed by yoshi in the same post

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He's also said that dual wielding is going to be a purely aesthetic construct. THF/NIN are going to use a single MH slot that is a brace of daggers/swords, not 2 weapons equipped independently in MH and OT.

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Replace the 5 songs with 5 damage dealing abilites/buffs. BOOM you have a rng that deals more dmg than a brd lol that was soooooo hard. I do think it would be pretty cool to hybridize rng an beatmaster into one like WOW's hunter. And no im not a ex-WoW player lol i am actually ex-xi player.

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At which point RNG becomes the best DPS around. BRD's DPS is balanced against casters and mDPS because it is the most unrestricted: it can move as much as it wants and still contribute all of its DPS and is always at the least risk because it's at range. BRD's DPS is not balanced against the other DPS (re: slightly lower) because of its songs (the songs already lower DPS so their cost to DPS is built into them). It's balanced because of it's mobility and range.

And, once again, you're ignoring the fact that it would still play like an archer 99% of the time. 5 job abilities cannot fundamentally change the playstyle of a class for a given role; too much is loaded onto the class. There's little to no reason for the developers to expend the resource to develop a job if it's going to play (like an existing one for the same class even) 99% of the time.

Furthermore, if you actually look at the series, RNG and Archer are synonymous. The trademark RNG abilities (Aim and Barrage) already belong to the ARC class, which is effectively saying that RNG is in game; people are just perturbed that it's called ARC instead of RNG because they want FFXIV to only use the naming conventions from FFXI.

That's 3 major reasons why we're not going to see RNG: balance, development, and precedence.

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Originally Posted by Kitru

people are just perturbed that it's called ARC instead of RNG because they want FFXIV to only use the naming conventions from FFXI.

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That isn't why I would like to see a ranger job in this game. You seem to be generalizing people that have a desire to see this job. I was actually hoping for something similar to an EQ ranger. If it gets put into the game, ok. If not, that's ok too.

What if Ninja doesnt come yet and we get a dancer tank job and a thief dps off of scoundrel base class?

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Originally Posted by Tyvek

What if Ninja doesnt come yet and we get a dancer tank job and a thief dps off of scoundrel base class?

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I'll go to Yoshi-P's, take the butter out of his fridge. . . . proceed to microwave said butter till all liquidy and stuffs.
Take a well deserved deuce in empty butter tub, pour the liquified butter atop the stool and place back in the fridge so it sets.....

Just sayin'

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Originally Posted by Aeora

I'll go to Yoshi-P's, take the butter out of his fridge. . . . proceed to microwave said butter till all liquidy and stuffs.
Take a well deserved deuce in empty butter tub, pour the liquified butter atop the stool and place back in the fridge so it sets.....

Just sayin'

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Oh so you're totally on board with this then. Great!

Something else I was thinking of.

Current FF14 raid style is 8 man parties.

In which 2 tanks, 2 healers are a giving. It seems that for coil a bard is required, which leaves 3 slots.. which has been 2 range and 1 melee, by most standards of raiders.

Now if thief and ninja come out, and assuming that they will be the job/class aspect (thief being the class, ninja being the job crystal) that is another melee, while it will balance out the 3 range 3 melee, it will cause an issue with raiding in which now 3 classes are fighting for one spot. The range aspect is usually figured to be a black mage and summoner or 2 black mages (rarely do you hear of coil end game raids using 2 summoner), will this change end game raiding in which a) bards are NOT required anymore so we do 2 melee and 2 range? or b) dragoons get forgotten altogether? lol

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Originally Posted by Kitru

He's also said that dual wielding is going to be a purely aesthetic construct. THF/NIN are going to use a single MH slot that is a brace of daggers/swords, not 2 weapons equipped independently in MH and OT.

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I don't know, I think they will design a main hand/off hand weapon but being specific with them, kinda like the sword and shield aspect or how miners work, pickaxe main hand and that hammer thing off hand.. I think this is how it will work for dual wielders.. they will have specific gear designed for their off hand, you won't be able to by 2 bronze swords and equip them, but maybe a bronze sword and a new off-hand designed dagger.

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Originally Posted by DoubleT

1. Yoshi stated himself, classes jobs = updates, races = x-packs (on that note, Yoshi does flip-flop on stuff constantly. Idk if i would outright call him a liar as someone else tried to imply earlier but he does definatly change his mind alot lol)
2. He stated the first of these jobs would be musketeer & thf/nin (which will be dual-weilding stealth dps such as rogues from WoW, confirmed by yoshi in the same post)
3. why all this talk about rng's? SE has NEVER said anything about rng yet lol. an why all of the debate on how its impossible for rng to come from archer? Replace the 5 songs with 5 damage dealing abilites/buffs. BOOM you have a rng that deals more dmg than a brd lol that was soooooo hard. I do think it would be pretty cool to hybridize rng an beatmaster into one like WOW's hunter. And no im not a ex-WoW player lol i am actually ex-xi player.

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1) yes this is what yoshi said from the beginning, also level cap increases will come in patches also, not expansions.. Patches are for content update, jobs, levels.. Expansions will be new races, new areas... Now how will we get a level upgrade in a patch without a new leveling area?? I don't know, but that is what he stated and we will just have to wait and see if this is how he will work it (or was it a bad translation to us)

2) I don't ever remember seeing this stated. What I read was a statement about future classes that he would like to release thief and ninjas as scouting class, and he also wanted red mage and blue mage to be released as his first new classes (I wish I could find the interview, but I can't..sorry, if I find the interview I will edit this post and link it in), in 1.0 discussions there was always talks about musketeer class, but 2.0 I don't remember Yoshi talking about, just fans.

3) All this talk about Ranger is coming up because people are unhappy with the design of the bard, and how bard's were giving nerfs. You can't change 5 songs into dps abilities because Bard plays as a dps class (most bards forget to sing), and Ranger would have to change the way the class plays, if you just take away songs and make them into dps abilities, Bards would be played the same just doing more damage and basically setting up either black mages and summoners to need huge buffs to keep up OR black mages and summoners would not be invited to raids due to lack of dps. If there will be a specific Ranger class, it most likely will be a pet class, as I stated once before, you always need to look at the Final Fantasy history of the class.. one game made Ranger's high end dps, every other final fantasy with rangers made them more of pet classes (summoner animals to attack and things like that).. It's kinda like everyone thinks dragoons should have had the wyvern pet yet only 11 gave them a pet class, all other dragoon history and lore deals with them being dragon hunters and elite knights.

Found the link--http://gamerescape.com/2013/02/21/gamer-escape-talks-to-naoki-yoshida-on-the-ffxiv-media-tour/

Also, I'm just cutting and pasting a certain section, but you can go back and read the whole interview if you wish.

GE- With ARR we’ll see Arcanist added with Summoner shortly after the game launches. Are there any other classes or jobs you’d like to see added? And will these be added in patches or expansions?

Yoshida- What I would like to see right?

First of all, we are planning a new race for an expansion pack. For the classes and jobs, we will introduce them through patches because all of the Legacy players have level 50 jobs anyway. When we introduce new classes and jobs we will probably increase the level cap at the same time.

About what I want to introduce- it’s more like what I think I have to introduce. Something related to guns because the (musketeer) guild in the game. Something related to that I think I have to introduce.

Also I do feel that scouting classes are lacking so I want to bring in Theif, Ninja and those that have to do with stealth. Also more casters like Blue Mage and Red Mage are something I would like to add.

This is where he talked about adding new races to expansions and new jobs AND level cap increases in patches.. which he states is because of the legacy players lol. What may happen is this patch the new job and level cap?? (still not sure that will happen) and then expansion new race, new jobs and then from there on out keep them with expansions.

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Originally Posted by Kitru

Rosa is a straight up WHM that just so happens to use a bow. She has nowhere near the stats to be a DPS of any kind.

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And this one just for the record.

Trademark Ranger ability per final fantasy is "Aim" and "Barrage".. Rosa has aim. Next, Rydia, Palom, and Tellah were also able to equip bows, BUT you kept them with Rosa because of Aim. There were also staffs for white mages, and even staffs in end game but you for the most part would keep rosa with Bow and Arrow for dps and she had Aim, 100% chance of hit.

Also, Rosa with the Bow & Arrow COULD keep up with dps with edge, cecil, and kain (if he didn't jump), you just needed to change her arrows around to take advantage of weakness.

Porom in final fantasy 4 was a straight up white mage, rosa was a cross class, just like Rydia was a cross class summoner/black mage (remember the other final fantasy's summoners did not have access to black mage or white mage spells they just summon'd and used that, and final fantasy 9 and 10, the summoner were white mages, not black mages)

i feel theres going to be some type of tanking class crazy as it sounds dual wielding gun tanking or ninja tanking class there screaming for tanks and adding another tanking class of some description will only drag more tanks back into the game by force..while i love the prospect of a dual wielding rogue or a kick ass dual wielding gun dps class i feel to add more dps classes to to the mix will not alleviate the current issue of just to many dps classes/or at least to many ppl playing them

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Originally Posted by Hiroradius

I don't know, I think they will design a main hand/off hand weapon but being specific with them, kinda like the sword and shield aspect or how miners work, pickaxe main hand and that hammer thing off hand.. I think this is how it will work for dual wielders.. they will have specific gear designed for their off hand, you won't be able to by 2 bronze swords and equip them, but maybe a bronze sword and a new off-hand designed dagger.

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Considering that's what Yoshi has said multiple times in response to the dual wielding question, I think that's what they're going to go with.

Furthermore, the single slot solution makes a helluva lot more sense from a developmental standpoint. In ARR, only the MH weapon has a damage stat and it's identical for all weapons based entirely upon ilvl. OH items simply provide lower stats and, potentially, block rating/value, which is provided by nothing else (which is basically saying that everything else contributes block rating/value 0). By splitting weapon damage into MH and OH, you're forcing a rework of the system where roughly one-third of weapon damage is derived from the OH slot (it's already possible to have different weapons use different growth rates, but the problem is moreso derived from having weapon damage drawn from multiple sources).

This creates further balancing problems because it's requiring 2 drops for the same effective offensive increase that is accomplished by 1 drop for everyone else. Since OH items drop at a different rate and at different times than MH weapons (re: allagan shield drops in t1, allagan sword drops in t5), you'd be providing an explicit offensive advantage since they would be able to upgrade their damage (albeit not the entirety of their damage) before anyone else. It's fine for shields because the stat advantage is miniscule and increased block rating/value is actually something that *should* be upgraded independently of weapon damage. I also creates problems as to *how* you should upgrade weapon damage: going from i90 to i95 is a 1 point increase to MH weapon damage. If the MH weapon gets that point, the OH weapon would be an effectively nonexistent upgrade because it would only provide a whopping 1 mainstat, 1 VIT, and 2 secondary skill points. The major advantage of MH/OH items isn't in the stats they provide but in the direct increase to weapon damage (which absolutely every attack/heal you have is based off of) or block value/rating.

There are other developmental issues as well: it doubles the amount of design work required, requires animations to be designed such that they work with both a single weapon and both weapons (since, at the start, you're not going to have an OH item, nor will you be absolutely required to have one on hand, unless they seriously feel like requiring virtually all of your attacks to have an OH weapon equipped to even activate it to get around this), and increases the effect of the class upon loot tables (since you're adding OH weapons to the loot tables; as it stands, THF/NIN is most likely going to share either MNK/PGL or ARC/BRD gear so gear tweaking of the loot tables isn't going to be all that significant outside of the weapons).

Even if the devs don't find these problems to be a major issue, creating separate MH and OH weapons for a dual wielding class doesn't even add appreciably to the game. The only "advantage" is that you can now have a mismatched pair of weapons (which is assuming that the devs don't include single slot braces of daggers that have different appearances).

Furthermore, if you look at Thancred and Yugiri in the cutscenes, you'll notice that both of them use matched pairs. The devs have the ability to aesthetically provide unmatched pairs to individuals (Merlwyb's 2 guns), but they elected not to do so for our only exposure to THF/NIN.

When you factor in all of this, Yoshi's repeated statements, the developmental problems and lack of advantages, and the existing evidence in game, it's basically guaranteed that any dual wielding we get is going to be purely aesthetic. It just makes more sense to do it like that.

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I actually think that they will probably go the monk route when doing the weapons for the thief/ninja.

If i were to be nin i would want my dual weilding like that of mnk. That leaves a chance they could develop throwing stars/tools that could return (or not) for OH slot. Maybe even let theives use boomerangs as past ff thieves have, whether they put theif in class role or job role. Would be cool
....should they choose to do so.