Feedback Regarding the Relic Upgrade Quest

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Originally Posted by Rose-Wild

So SE knows that we are sick of fates and then they make you do not one but 12.

And it doesn't stop there, it's old low level fates that don't even have a 100% chance of giving you what you need. So you wait for 30 mins to get nothing, and you have to do that x12.


From what i know then when you are done with that you have to farm trash mobs, just like before doing Hydra for the original relic, so more boring stuff.

I know that they shouldn't give free relics but this is way worst, it's not challenging or hard, it's just boring and time consuming. I don't know who had this idea but it's clearly a terrible one.

Also there's not even a way to know what fate you need and you don't even have a quest to track your progress....

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Then don't do it.

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Originally Posted by Merle

I know, but what about gear sets? 13500 miths means almost 3 AF+1 sets...

a) Should i have to spam T1-T5 and pray to the RNG God who has been avoiding me since 2.0? No, thanks
b) Should i buy/craft ilvl 90 recipes? no way, too expensive/insane to craft to get it. Doesn't worth it
c) Spam T6-T9? yeah, well, "good luck". I have no static for coils (never kill Twintania yet), so this option is not valid
d) Restaured weapons needs an unidentified tomesone... if it's a drop from T6-T9 i'm in the same situation than c)

I know i'm being exigent, but i really feel that i can't have "good gear" with at least the "one dps, one tank, one healer" setup. So i have to stick with my Monk and pray that it won't become useless in the future

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Sounds like MMO's aren't for you.

This is two weeks max. How is that hard?

LOL these threads are gold muh sides~

That is not that bad. I got tons of diablos ran the first minute server popped, then started atmas. I am on number 8 right now, and it has taken the longest by far; but it's fair, easy, and makes the reward even better.

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Originally Posted by Soreneon

I am already at 8 atmas

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I hate you so much right now. I'm at 4-5 hours of FATE grinding, 0 Atmas here.

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Originally Posted by Soreneon

Are you guys seriously complaining? I am already at 8 atmas, and had time to do 4 runs of lost city the minute server came up.

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

I hate you so much right now. I'm at 4-5 hours of FATE grinding, 0 Atmas here.

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see this is not work, this is dumb luck.

i'm not a fan of FATEs either but it would be much better design if to get an Atma, you do every FATE once in a specific zone with the proper Zenith weapon equipped, at least that way you actually have a checklist to work with and each time you do something you are one step closer to your goal.

low random drop rates is bad design.

I agree. Making it based on pure luck isn't steady progression. I spent 4 hours doing 70 fates on my second atma. A guildmate showed up did one FATE and got it the first time. Lucky people can have the 12 atmas days before an unlucky person with the same amount of play time.

Yay, I like the grind, because it's a different option. Granted Allagan weapon is still Top Tier and that is the real goal...talk about Tedius @.@;;

But Fates, its just as random as the Allagan...once someone posts a video on how to beat it that is :D

Alas I digress, I like the new system since it offers something for us "casuals" to poor over and try to get ^.^

-Tari

p.s. This is a great thread but bad title...just saying.

All I have to do right now is figure out which class I'm going to run this quest for first.

I'm actually thinking of doing my secondary first; the Liberator is just so much better than Gae Bolg Animus (and will be going for the High Allagan Spear ASAP anyway), and I don't like the i100 options for WHM other than Thyrus Anima.

This will take some time. That's good. Something to do for a long time.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

low random drop rates is bad design.

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I'm not sure you know what "bad design" means.

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Originally Posted by Meshico

Yay, I like the grind, because it's a different option. Granted Allagan weapon is still Top Tier and that is the real goal...talk about Tedius @.@;;

But Fates, its just as random as the Allagan...once someone posts a video on how to beat it that is :D

Alas I digress, I like the new system since it offers something for us "casuals" to poor over and try to get ^.^

-Tari

p.s. This is a great thread but bad title...just saying.

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I wouldn't say it is as random as fates. Allagan weapons have a 100% chance to drop. You have a little over 11% chance that the weapon will be the one you want. The atma drop rate for FATES is WAY lower than 11%. Also, the first time your group gets an Allagan weapon to drop there is a 100% chance that someone in the group needs it. Thus improving your group.

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Originally Posted by Cordelius

I'm not sure you know what "bad design" means.

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Range is always bad design.

EX Weapons - no range good design.
Allagan Weapons - range bad design.

Spent 8 hours on fates...got 3 Atma. I may be unlucky, but it's still horrid having to go back and do low level fates as a scholar. If it was grind 1,000 lvl 50 fates I would be happier. Low level scholar is very painful.

I guess I'd be more annoyed, but I need to do a LOT of FATEs anyhow for the 3k achievement, plus all the crafting junk will take a lot of FATE farming for mats as well.

Question: You need to have relic zenith equipped to get Atma to drop?

I was hoping I could kill two birds with one stone--leveling lower classes while getting Atma--looks like that isn't possible :l

how people can not understand that repetitive doesnt mean challenging? People asked for challenging things, not repetitive easy content.
What people are complaining about is that this quest is just time sinking with 0 challenge. There is a huge difference when the time sink comes from spamming something that is easy instead coming from a challenging fight or fights or anything else.

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Originally Posted by Ranghar

Spent 8 hours on fates...got 3 Atma. I may be unlucky, but it's still horrid having to go back and do low level fates as a scholar. If it was grind 1,000 lvl 50 fates I would be happier. Low level scholar is very painful.

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i think your lucky, 3-4 hours now not a single one

Exactly. Relics should be obtained by skilled players who clear hard content...not players who spam <lvl30 fates for hours on end. Hell, at least at launch I felt some pride in killing hardmode titan for my relic. I feel nothing but shame when I put in 8 hours to get 3 ATMA shards by doing content that its impossible for me to die doing. Summon Fairy, and spam ruin on boss mob while watching TV. Don't even have to dodge the moves.

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Originally Posted by Ranghar

Exactly. Relics should be obtained by skilled players who clear hard content...not players who spam <lvl30 fates for hours on end.

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That's what the High Allagan weapons are for.
Relics, even in the predecessor FFXI, were never hard to get.
Time consuming, yes, hard, no.

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Originally Posted by DarkB

how people can not understand that repetitive doesnt mean challenging? People asked for challenging things, not repetitive easy content.
What people are complaining about is that this quest is just time sinking with 0 challenge. There is a huge difference when the time sink comes from spamming something that is easy instead coming from a challenging fight or fights or anything else.

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Does it have to be "Challenging"? In my eyes, they have take one step closer towards getting people into the open world.

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lol complained game to easy now we get something challenging to do now they want to take it back hahah.

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This isn't even challenge, it's just tedium. Luck-based tedium, to make it even worse.

People on this game don't seem to like challenging content to get gear/ upgrades. The 'A Relic Reborn' quest is mostly designed that way and everyone complains that it's too short and everyone eventually gets a relic (especially since you can carry people once you overgear the fights). What kind of content could they possibly design to take a long time because it's challenging (not a blatant time sink) while still being possible to clear? Without adding TONS of new fights there's just no way to do it, and even so, if those fights didn't keep most people struggling for weeks people would say it's too easy and can be done in 15 minutes with your eyes closed.

It is 121500 mythology for all the relics.
Given I want to make only 1 Relic, it would require 4 months playing 14 hours every week (average player with a job or school), doing ONLY mithology farm and spending them ONLY for relic (boring). And it's 3 years for all the Relics.
Around 200 Duty Roulettes each weapon. And you can't even speedrun. Also since you can do DR once every day, the number of dungeons required is probably way higher.

Well, it could be fine if it was the best weapon in the game, but it's 15 levels under the High Allagan one (not even 5 like Allagan-Zenith, but 15), it's not even the second best weapon. Not to mention it's the same ilv as Extreme Leviathan weapons that are way easier to get.
The ilv for this kind of farm is just wrong. You can get stronger weapons with way less effort and time. Just a little bit of luck. They just want RNG to be mainstream and tokens to become useless.

Also level cap 60 coming in 1 year at best. Not bothering with this patch at all, it's just a boring timesing before the expansion, like it was with Darklight gear and Relic quest in 1.0. Please look forward to use all this stuff for vanity.


Obvious to me that they just want us to keep paying for doing the same content over and over, so we pay more subscription time in order to get useless stuff. Not stupid enough to do it. I'm going to do the new content and then uninstall the game and unsubscribe til the next patch that will have ilv 200, or maybe 215 from Amdapor Keep.

Enjoy

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Originally Posted by Doctor-

I am sorry but this FATE time sink is beyond insanely stupid 3hours now of RNG and 0 Atma........ This is not what players wanted in terms of time sinks >.<. (I vouche for all the ppl doing FATE this morning) xD

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Don't speak for everyone. Instant gratification should not be a MMO staple.

SE, Please explain to me how a NEW player/alt is suppose to get Atma Relic in 3weeks+ from now? basically if you don't grind relic NOW, you will be stuck. Nobody is going to help you in 3+ weeks from now as less players will be grinding and you are basically lockout because of the FATE RNG design. Even a large FC will be hardpress to mindlessly grind fates for 1 new member that needs Relic. Terrible design.

While I'm not a fan of grinding, this is honestly not so bad from what I gather (haven't done any of the stuff yet). I'd rather wait for a FATE to pop and be guaranteed access to it than some of the stuff FFXI had us do. Sure it's not a 100% gain from the FATE, but it's certainly more appealing to me than collecting like 50 items from a boss fight that doesn't guarantee the drop while competing with members in your party for the same item, and then in order to upgrade it to the best version have to grind 1500 of an item followed by 3000 of another.

Not that what we got in FFXIV isn't a grind, it certainly is, just not nearly as bad as it could have been. And just drawing comparisons to another MMO that had a big grind for good weapons.

Shhhh, there there, it's not the best wep in the game ATM don't worry there are alternatives.

Plus I can assure you they will dumb it down later, so fix those jimmies.

Don't worry, they'll raise the chances of receiving the items, causing the board to once again throw a tantrum because "SE is just handling out Zodiacs now!!! It'a only been 6 months!!!"..............

Most likely scenario with this problem you mention when it does happen the difficulty of those fates will be lower like others have been depending on how many participates etc.

false. that assumes that people well only want to get one atma weapon. there are 9 jobs. plenty of people will want to get the atma weapon for each of the 9 jobs.

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Originally Posted by Cordelius

Sounds like MMO's aren't for you.

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Please, 2.0 was a MMO and it was way better then 2.2 in terms of gear progression. It was just perfect, this patch only adds good game features and adjustments, but the rest is just timesink.

Also if you have to choose only 1 weapon then explain to me why we have multiple jobs. The game was designed so that average player should be able to fully gear 1 job, while skilled or nolife players could gear all the jobs. And well, all this stuff for a weapon that is not even close to the best of the game (that is just plain RNG). You need similar effort to make a Legandary in GW2, but when you get it that is and will always be the best weapon in the game.

Just go buy a Leviathan win.

Considering you can get 50 myth per 10 minutes in coil (1,2,4, or 5) That's 550 myth an hour if you have a competent group of like-minded players. Easily get as much myth as you want in a single day.

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Originally Posted by Mrs_Sticks

Considering you can get 50 myth per 10 minutes in coil (1,2,4, or 5) That's 550 myth an hour if you have a competent group of like-minded players. Easily get as much myth as you want in a single day.

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T1-5 now give 20 myth. Not 50 like before.

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Originally Posted by Tano

Not stupid enough to do it. I'm going to do the new content and then uninstall the game and unsubscribe til the next patch that will have ilv 200, or maybe 215 from Amdapor Keep.

Enjoy

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I wish the people that constantly whine and threaten to quit actually quit. More often than not they just continue to whine and threaten to leave repearedly.

Be glad it's not from a mob with a 10+ hour (earth time) respawn rate and a drop rate under 10% for the item you want. We got a tedious grind, yes, but it's sooooo much better than competing with people for a notorious monster that spawns every 10 hours with a 10% drop rate on the item and you may have no way of knowing when the last time of death was.

THAT was a huge time sink with RNG screwing. And I'm not even talking about Relic and Mythic weapons in FFXI, just a rare drop from a NM that was really good for level 60+. Or camping an area with widescan to get a certain NM with a crap drop rate on what you want to pop AND it wouldn't spawn for X amount of earth hours after you kill it? Haaaaaa.

And don't get me started on the Empyrean weapon grind. 1500 heavy metal plates and 3000 riftcinder from voidwatch NMs to get the higher level versions of the weapons. I never attempted any of it, not even getting the lowest versions of those weapons.

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Originally Posted by Tano

Lots of bitching...

Enjoy

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Why do you even play an mmo if you dont expect some kind of time sink. go attention whore elsewhere.

As for why im in this thread does any know if you have to do the atma phase for all relics or if its just the first time then the rest you can go straight to books?

can anybody be so kind to explain the step? so we can only do 4 book now (so only 9000), and there will be 5 book more next patch?

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Originally Posted by Alise

can anybody be so kind to explain the step? so we can only do 4 book now (so only 9000), and there will be 5 book more next patch?

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I read it as, you only have 4 books to choose from at first. Once those are complete, you can do the other 5, i.e. you might not be able to load up on your primary stat or weapon damage, until you clear out some secondary ones first.

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Originally Posted by Sunarie

We obviously have different definitions of work :/ Waiting in a spot for a fate to spawn whilest tabbing out, and having netflix running on half my screen while I run around spamming flash mindlessly doesn't really count as work to me. Just mind-numbing tedium I thought I'd gotten away from.... oh well, it is what it is. Let's not pretend it's hard though.

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Isn't this what people wanted to do in open world? Waiting in a spot, waiting for something to pop up?
There were hundreds threads about it in the forums.