Zodiac Weapon Fates

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Originally Posted by Illrayth

Remember this is an alternative method for people to get high ilv weapons. It is supposed to be long, slow and a grind for casuals to chip away at. If you want weapons faster, go clear T9 and extremes.

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Here's the problem with that mentality.

Chipping away at something with an actual visual guide of progression is fine. Such as the Butchers Crown - It was a very, very long process, but you could always keep track of where you currently stood on it.

This is completely random nonsense, it's as others have said, purely based on luck, not skill, not ability, just being in the right place at the right time. That does not reward a player for anything. I agree it's an alternative to the other higher tier weapons, but at the same time, it should be a Fair system that people don't feel as if they're beating themselves up for nothing.

Even if the system was designed with a lockout idea in mind, once per day, I would've been completely fine with that. But obviously that's not the case as a FC friend has 7, last time I spoke to him. Ontop of that, at one point he came to the area I was already in, spent thirty minutes in that zone, got his Atma then went to the next, I haven't seen anything. There's no reward to it, it's just bad design, plain and simple.

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

Thank the hardcore idiots for this, they cried for it endlessly....

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Funny, people were swearing up and down just yesterday SE would never listen to the "LESS THAN 1% OF THE PLAYERBASE!"

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Funny, people were swearing up and down just yesterday SE would never listen to the "LESS THAN 1% OF THE PLAYERBASE!"

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Daaa vocal minority!!!

and now

"It's all the vocal minoritys fault!"

It's like they all have the same talking points.

Get's old.

Players wanted real open world content - S.E delivers with more Fates (and not even new ones) which most players want to get rid of.

lo and behold! Some of us legacies (that's from 1.0) already been dreading on just how god-awful RNG was. And yet, SE never listened. Lots of us already begging on content based on progress. I guess in the end, they never had an idea of "how to" without relying on RNG.

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Originally Posted by Illrayth

Remember this is an alternative method for people to get high ilv weapons. It is supposed to be long, slow and a grind for casuals to chip away at. If you want weapons faster, go clear T9 and extremes.

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"faster"? really? :p

sure its faster if RNG doesn't screw ur weapon drops.....oh wait a min

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Funny, people were swearing up and down just yesterday SE would never listen to the "LESS THAN 1% OF THE PLAYERBASE!"

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I don't recall any 1%'er asking for hours of fate grinding. Pretty sure they asked for more challenging content, like CT hard mode and roaming primals.

This keeps you logging in a lot more days now.

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Originally Posted by Perthaneus-Magnum

I got my archer from a lvl 3 FATE so it can be any FATE in the zone.

Secondly, has anyone received more than ONE Atma, we have been farming for sometime now for our second and it's not looking too bright.

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Yes, I got two scales from Central Than trying to get Maiden, which is probably an oops in the text translation, unless someone can confirm that they both do drop in Central Thanalan?

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Originally Posted by Marael

Yes, I got two scales from Central Than trying to get Maiden, which is probably an oops in the text translation, unless someone can confirm that they both do drop in Central Thanalan?

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It is a typo. The maiden is from central shroud.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Funny, people were swearing up and down just yesterday SE would never listen to the "LESS THAN 1% OF THE PLAYERBASE!"

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I think people on the forums are misplacing blame. The FFXI and older MMO crowd that wanted a longer quest and something to work towards, that you couldn't get in a day.. was also looking for open world stuff that was fun an engaging. I've never heard any of them say they liked fates, and wanted to do all of the ones currently available over and over again. Some aspects of the quest (the part after you get done with the 12 atmas) seem to be more that style.. but the fate part really isn't. That's just SE trying to shove Fates down people's throats. The "1%" didn't ask for that.

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Originally Posted by Libby9

It is a typo. The maiden is from central shroud.

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Yup, definitely Central Shroud. It's the only one I managed to get last night.

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Originally Posted by Sunarie

I think people on the forums are misplacing blame. The FFXI and older MMO crowd that wanted a longer quest and something to work towards, that you couldn't get in a day.. was also looking for open world stuff that was fun an engaging. I've never heard any of them say they liked fates, and wanted to do all of the ones currently available over and over again. Some aspects of the quest (the part after you get done with the 12 atmas) seem to be more that style.. but the fate part really isn't. That's just SE trying to shove Fates down people's throats. The "1%" didn't ask for that.

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Exactly, I know absolutely no one who wanted more FATE grinding, yet it's funny how the 'FFXI crowd" and "less than 1%" crowd are being blamed for this when people were saying SE would never listen to those crowds haha. It seems people (including SE) forgot what "open world content" meant honesty, we want FAtEs to be gone in terms of end-game or even seasonal events.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Exactly, I know absolutely no one who wanted more FATE grinding, yet it's funny how the 'FFXI crowd" and "less than 1%" crowd are being blamed for this when people were saying SE would never listen to those crowds haha. It seems people (including SE) forgot what "open world content" meant honesty, we want FAtEs to be gone in terms of end-game or even seasonal events.

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Totally with you there, even if we rarely agree on stuff. ;) I actually don't mind the 2nd portion of the weapon quest.. it's just the "do the same old FATES till your eyes bleed and hope you get a drop" portion that I want to go away. Totally fine with saving up a huge amount of myth, killing x number of mobs, having to craft or gather some rare something, take down group based objectives.. all those are trackable, and can be very fun. Fates reduce me to sitting around spamming flash (or my 1-2 combo since I have to level down all the time). Doesn't even require me to pay attention to my screen :(

I literally fell asleep grinding fates. I have yet to fall asleep while playing this game. Id rather find a specific Shiny Pokemon than get 12 atmas. But im sure SE is laughing at the community. We asked for this.. they'll fix it in the future, but for now we're getting what we asked for.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

This keeps you logging in a lot more days now.

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same as beast tribe quest. but its not boring as the grind for zodiac quest (at least to get Atma).

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Originally Posted by MrDiezel

Snip~ We asked for this.. they'll fix it in the future, but for now we're getting what we asked for.

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Wished people would quit saying "we asked for this." No one asked for FATEs to be involved with anything. Every time we have a new seasonal event there's 5 or 6 threads that pop up saying stop putting events in FATEs. FATEs have and will always be a bad idea and threads like that show people don't want them. It's not like they bring the community closer all we have is people joining "Atma FATE PT" then dropping and teleporting when they get theirs. Not that I can blame people because there isn't a way to help out others with this but my point is FATEs aren't bringing the "community closer." What people have asked for is for real progression towards endgame goals such as the books that come after the 12 Atmas. RNG is an easy way to gate content. People expect some RNG to be involved but toss in low RNG onto FATEs that are just Flash, Overpower, Holy, Blizzard 2, Wide Volley spamming that requires 0 cooperation, thought or skill to this "endgame" content... it just cheapens the whole idea of Zodiac progression and the weapons themselves.

LoL. this quest probably is the worst quest ever.
There is no sense grinding FATEs for hours to get 0 drops.
I've been doing FATEs today for 2 Hours in Upper La Noscea = no drop.
There are friends of mine that have 6 or more Atmas and spent maybe the half of the time I spent.
I'm getting bored. There's no sense in this quest, and honestly I think that most people haven't 12h to throw away grinding fates hoping to have 1 atma.
If they want FATEs to be involved in the progress, it would have been nice if they at least increased the drop rate.
I'm already tired of this quest, after 8 hours of tries.

I will just say this, once you get pass these 12 atmas it is so much more relaxed lol I mean all im doing after getting the weapon is killing mobs and dungeons and leves for the books.

Was waiting for all the crying about this. The wow kids are used to hand fed welfRe epics and instant gratification.

How many here did the vex thal key quest? (Should be interesting)

With that said. No such thing as central la noscea. Is that supposed to be middle?

^ I like how not wanting to grind level 5 mobs for hours on end equals wow kiddy.

The FATE grind is just annoying and tedious. There is nothing fun about it, and when its over, no sense of accomplishment because there was never any challenge. I'm fine with things taking a while to do, but the tasks that I need to perform should at least be somewhat engaging.

It took myself 12 hours to get all 12, and a friend of mine 14 to get all 12. It's the players choice but I know many people are planning to do say 2 a day. That's 6 days. Obviously many did it first day but it definitely takes patience. Stick on netflix, read a book. I definitely think it takes persistence, but I also don't think the current rate is impossible. I also think the other benefits of this are very apparent. Fates of all levels are getting done, and done quickly. I had many players following our fate trains in various zones to level it up. It also promotes capping GC's which could be an absolute pain post dungeon exp enhancements.

To answer some questions:
Central la noscea is middle la noscea
Lower la noscea can be a pain as the fates felt very lacking in spawning
You have to attain gold to have a chance at the atma
Two indicators pop if you receive it so make sure you're paying attention, and occasionally check your inventory just in case

Once the atma is completed:
Once its completed your trial of the braves start-
Your weapon at this point is ilvl 100 but with the same attributes and an altered skin
9 books at 1500 myth per book (total of 13,500 myths) is required to unlock weapons full potential (This is how I understood the next portion when i picked it up)
As you complete each book you raise stats - another inference as I havent finished my first book yet.

Anyone else is free to elaborate.

Ok honestly to you people calling everyone out for wanting a longer progression path to the "ultimate weapon" we didnt mean hey level cap us at lvl 7 and make us zerg fates. It just makes sense for it to revolve around lvl 50 and above things not lvl noob.

IF they said hey guys were releasing our hardest content yet (if you are over lvl 10 your level will be synched.) that wouldnt make any sense. Im all for a grind give us a huge hunting log of instance monsters when you complete x you get a atma. But fates? And lvl 7 ones at that? Seriously? Dont kid yourself zero people asked for this.

There has been a lot of information in this thread about what FATEs people have had the most success on, but what jobs are people using who are having success? I farmed FATEs for 4 hours last night as BLM and got nothing. I doubt it but maybe some jobs are having an easier time in general with the RNG gods like in coil how there seemed to be certain gear that dropped almost every time.

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Originally Posted by rockso

Ok honestly to you people calling everyone out for wanting a longer progression path to the "ultimate weapon" we didnt mean hey level cap us at lvl 7 and make us zerg fates. It just makes sense for it to revolve around lvl 50 and above things not lvl noob.

IF they said hey guys were releasing our hardest content yet (if you are over lvl 10 your level will be synched.) that wouldnt make any sense. Im all for a grind give us a huge hunting log of instance monsters when you complete x you get a atma. But fates? And lvl 7 ones at that? Seriously? Dont kid yourself zero people asked for this.

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SE sees countless thread that people want something to work for
SE sees countless threads that people want a reason to explore the world
SE sees countless thread that people want a way to specialize themselves

These seems to fit right in with what was being asked.

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

Thank the hardcore idiots for this, they cried for it endlessly....

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Somehow I don't think the "hardcore" people asked for more FATE BS.

Considering grinding low level FATE's != hardcore.

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Originally Posted by Codek

SE sees countless thread that people want something to work for
SE sees countless threads that people want a reason to explore the world
SE sees countless thread that people want a way to specialize themselves

These seems to fit right in with what was being asked.

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Work for yes. Zerg low level things? How is that working for anything but boredom.
Explore yes. Zerg low level things? How is that exploring when you are casting blizzard 2 over and over and over. Man dem explores.
Specialize yes. Zerg low level fates because... reasons?

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Originally Posted by Codek

SE sees countless thread that people want something to work for
SE sees countless threads that people want a reason to explore the world
SE sees countless thread that people want a way to specialize themselves

These seems to fit right in with what was being asked.

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Actually it doesn't. Especially for those who explored the world already while leveling.

Step 2 of the Zodiac is what we want in terms of working for something.
Add new FATEs or make weekly ingame treasure hunt quests, with the chests randomly placed around the world to give us a reason to explore. Too bad we already have treasure maps for this (never had one myself).
I'm not sure how the Zodiac works entirely, but giving us full control over the 2ndary stats would allow us to specialize ourselves.

I've been fating for 11 1/2 hours since the patch was released, with zenith equiped and with the quest in my log, didnt get the drop of central thanalan. I dont know if, by now, I am just bugged or extremely unlucky. But i can tell for sure that this quest is extremely hilarious and i won't do it as long as the droprate isnt fixed. Rather go farming leviathan X for a good weapon than do this crap for hours and hours and get nothing out of it.

Thank you, Square.

Fate farm for 6 hours - 0 Atmas

One of my friends did a fate as soon as he got the quest and got 1 right away

T_T

Life isn't fair.

261 FATEs so far...zippo Atmas...weeee *drives to nearest cliff*

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Originally Posted by DCILuther

Fate farm for 6 hours - 0 Atmas

One of my friends did a fate as soon as he got the quest and got 1 right away

T_T

Life isn't fair.

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If you're going at it as a PLD, make sure both the Zenith sword and shield are equipped. I've been getting them slowly but surely (have 2 in about 8 total hours of grinding). And FC mate spent around 12 hours yesterday and got all 12. He's on my poo list (not really, I'm just jealous he's done).

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Originally Posted by DCILuther

Fate farm for 6 hours - 0 Atmas

One of my friends did a fate as soon as he got the quest and got 1 right away

T_T

Life isn't fair.

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I find its best that if you don't get anything for awhile to move on to another place. It was like that for me last night I'd farm and area for like an hour but then got one pretty quick when I moved to a new area. It also seems like the hardest drops imo are Central Thanalan, Middle La Noscea and Central Shroud. I mean the reason for these is to populate the areas more for new people so it makes sense I guess to keep people there the longest. Our group found that stuff in Upper high end areas dropped much faster.

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Originally Posted by Sunarie

If you're going at it as a PLD, make sure both the Zenith sword and shield are equipped. I've been getting them slowly but surely (have 2 in about 8 total hours of grinding). And FC mate spent around 12 hours yesterday and got all 12. He's on my poo list (not really, I'm just jealous he's done).

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Just got my atma in 2 hours with allagan shield equipped.

Regarding this atma thing, i spent half of the day at central grinding low lvl fates and go no atma of the maiden.. went to sorrel haven area did 1 level 35ish fate got it right away.
Maybe drop rates are better with higher level FATES. Just a thought.

Finally got my atma relic today :D. Grinded for hours. Glad it's over...feel sorry for my alt classes tho xD

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Originally Posted by Volga

Just got my atma in 2 hours with allagan shield equipped.

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I stand corrected then. I was grinding for 3 hours and got nothing with allagan equipped, so I switched out. Have gotten 3 since. I just assumed you'd need both.

Just got the atma wep guys. Can confirm that you need all 12 again to do another weapon. :(

In all likelihood SE added these atmas in low level areas as FATEs so that new/low level players would have the opportunity to A) be able to complete them and B) see people in the zones.

I remember in FFXI when I saw my first level 75 player and he ran past me in Ghelsba and I thought "Wow that guy's SO cool". If everyone's just standing around Revenant's Toll while the starter zones are completely empty it gives people the illusion that either the game isn't doing well or they're in the wrong area, plus there's the added benefit of being able to ask for help for things (and potentially get new FC/LS members).

As a ffxi player, I'm used to this sort of thing so it doesn't really faze me. Also, I don't mind having something to do that doesn't involve standing around.

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Originally Posted by Dhalmel

Honestly this is just similar to waiting for a rare NM to spawn in FF11

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not even close, most of them actually dropped an item that you can use right away.

most of the popular ones that can be solo'd weren't EX. people who don't want to camp can still buy Leaping Boots, Emperor's Hairpins, Ochiudo's Kotes, even Kraken Clubs by paying other people to do it for them. and the campers are free to profit and get big bucks for spending that time.

you get none of those things here. and don't even compare this to good EX stuff like Ridill or Defending Ring where you need large groups of people with coordinated kill strategies.