t2 got ninja nerfed?

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Originally Posted by SulwynCaliope

I'm a paying customer to this game and I expect to be treated in a truthful manner when I play this game. I'm not paying so that they can say one thing today and change their minds without telling me tomorrow.

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Hate to say this, but you signed an agreement saying the exact opposite when you signed up for the game.

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Originally Posted by SulwynCaliope

I'm a paying customer to this game and I expect to be treated in a truthful manner when I play this game. I'm not paying so that they can say one thing today and change their minds without telling me tomorrow. If that's the way you think a business should be run, then good for you. But as a paying customer, I want to be informed of things that could potentially alter my experience in the game. That is why they release patch notes. To keep their user base informed. Why should they only put some things on it but leave out other things? If you're going to put out patch notes, put down everything that was changed.

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This is a minor change to the game. This is like saying you won't eat at Burger King anymore because they changed the size of their ketchup packets without telling you.

If you're gonna fight dirty don't complain when you get kicked below the belt ;)

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Originally Posted by CYoung187

This is a minor change to the game. This is like saying you won't eat at Burger King anymore because they changed the size of their ketchup packets without telling you.

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Not my ketchup :(.

OT: It was something that was bound to happen. I think you should be happy they didn't make it so once.. enrage = one shot.

You guys also need to take into account 2.2 and the echo buff.

Just like how they nerfed Virus to offset the changes to Storm path, they could have buff his enrage to compensate for future changes in 2.2

Either way, I'm confident that more people will accomplish turn 2 when it arrives on Duty Finder.

Not like rot is hard anyways >_>

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Originally Posted by Quiz

Not like rot is hard anyways >_>

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Yea try doing that with a bunch of random PUGs and see how that works out for you! =D

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Originally Posted by Nukocafe

Yea try doing that with a bunch of random PUGs and see how that works out for you! =D

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shouldnt be doing coil with randoms anyway >.<

yes! how dare you not have a static! WTF is wrong with YOU!?

...sigh

has your static never used PF to fill in a spot for a member that wasn't there?

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Originally Posted by alhandra

shouldnt be doing coil with randoms anyway >.<

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Well I have a static now but there's often a lot of Coil party finder groups nowdays (particularly for T2 enrage) so that's probably going to kill off a lot of them.
Some people just aren't able to find a static due to time differences (the issue I had on my last server) or maybe their friends are still not ready for coil etc.

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Originally Posted by CYoung187

This is a minor change to the game. This is like saying you won't eat at Burger King anymore because they changed the size of their ketchup packets without telling you.

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While I agree with it being only a minor change I feel your description is slightly off good sir.
In this case the size of the ketchup bag is unchanged, they have however changed its composition up to a point where it tastes completely different.
Not a bad taste, perhaps even a better taste, but it is a change that they should have announced and I can understand it sets people off.

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Originally Posted by Shirai

While I agree with it being only a minor change I feel your description is slightly off good sir.
In this case the size of the ketchup bag is unchanged, they have however changed its composition up to a point where it tastes completely different.
Not a bad taste, perhaps even a better taste, but it is a change that they should have announced and I can understand it sets people off.

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If using the ketchup analogy, it's more like they left the ketchup packets the same size, shape and composition, but inside is actually mustard.
So now everyone who opens a packet to squeeze ketchup on their burger is getting a blob of mustard instead.

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Originally Posted by Nash20

yes! how dare you not have a static! WTF is wrong with YOU!?

...sigh

has your static never used PF to fill in a spot for a member that wasn't there?

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I've had spots filled by people who hadn't even set foot in coil and still one shotted it... I have no problem with random groups wanting to do enrage but to suggest that one or even two people missing from a static group for the night spells disaster is silly.

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Originally Posted by Nukocafe

If using the ketchup analogy, it's more like they left the ketchup packets the same size, shape and composition, but inside is actually mustard.
So now everyone who opens a packet to squeeze ketchup on their burger is getting a blob of mustard instead.

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Mustup? Ketchard? What would you call this evil combination of ketchup packaging and mustard innards? o.o

Also, in b4 the 3 whm and geared DD thing is just as viable for everyone. And if it is, when the echo goes in, more so.

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Originally Posted by SulwynCaliope

I'm a paying customer to this game and I expect to be treated in a truthful manner when I play this game. I'm not paying so that they can say one thing today and change their minds without telling me tomorrow. If that's the way you think a business should be run, then good for you. But as a paying customer, I want to be informed of things that could potentially alter my experience in the game. That is why they release patch notes. To keep their user base informed. Why should they only put some things on it but leave out other things? If you're going to put out patch notes, put down everything that was changed.

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lol. /10char

tanks have to watch for buffs/debuffs in all of the ex primals. Healers have to watch for buffs/debuffs all the time. Its really not that big of a deal. Besides, it makes the fight more fun, and you don't have to look at porn for 7 minutes while you wait for faceroll enrage method.

I remember a time when statics were a group of friends who wanted to level together. Not a job position to fill and maintain attendance. If the enrage method no longer works, oh well. The mechanics in this game are really simple, as long as you know whats coming. I don't require joe schmoe to be there every week to be able to do something. Learn the mechanics and execute. No excuses for static vs non-static.

Kiedan I cannot explain sarcasm to you at the moment. Glad your first post on this forum was challenging me on something on which we totally agree on.

Cheers!

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Originally Posted by Nash20

Kiedan I cannot explain sarcasm to you at the moment. Glad your first post on this forum was challenging me on something on which we totally agree on.

Cheers!

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Oh you must be elitist...
HAHAHA see what I did there? That was too funny. Sarcasm, making silly people sillier, one post at a time.

You get a like sir.

I just wonder if he saw my post...and "enraged" (very topical)

Created an account to smite my comment down!

So they changed it but the enrage strategy is still viable. Neat. Now let's all go back to beating our chests about how hardcore we are, while striking heroic poses and picking up catgirls (and catguys).

On one hand it does not make sense but on the other hand it make perfect sense. Why would they modify the enrage method just to make 1-5 easier in 2.2 a month later but then again they "buff" it without telling everyone and then in 2.2 remove the buff again and say they made it easier. Think SE could really be that back handed?

Yeah T2 seemed a lot harder today, mana pools exhausted and end boss on approx 60% health left - wipe

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Originally Posted by alhandra

shouldnt be doing coil with randoms anyway >.<

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Considering Coil is getting added to DF in 2.2...

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Originally Posted by Nash20

You get a like sir.

I just wonder if he saw my post...and "enraged" (very topical)

Created an account to smite my comment down!

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Your pun is not lost on this one, Nash. :) I'm excited to have a reason to get the group learning rot, and another excuse to have folk get their latency issues fixed for proper dodging. That'll help a lot in future content, and make extreme primals that much more of a walk in the park.

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Originally Posted by Nash20

You get a like sir.

I just wonder if he saw my post...and "enraged" (very topical)

Created an account to smite my comment down!

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Not really, I apologize if you weren't being serious but I can never tell around here anymore ever since the thread where someone got kicked from a LS for saying Titan is easy. I actually registered to answer about Turn 3s purpose saying that we use it to mpk each other and troll each other with teleporter switches but got lazy.

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Originally Posted by Kiedan

Not really, I apologize if you weren't being serious but I can never tell around here anymore ever since the thread where someone got kicked from a LS for saying Titan is easy. I actually registered to answer about Turn 3s purpose saying that we use it to mpk each other and troll each other with teleporter switches but got lazy.

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Link please?

The changes simply mean that the enrage method requires some actual strategy now and a slightly different setup. It didn't make it impossible.

You have to wonder if SE ever actually tests their changes or if they just manipulate the stats and hope for the best.

Honestly what a waste of resources and money to patch Turn 2 now. Square should have patched it months ago doing not is just a waste of money , they could have used the money for other stuff. 2.2 is less then a month away and they pull this bull shit wasting resources and money on something that should have been fixed months ago which they claimed was legit and now they fix it?? are you kidding me? O well i gusse will change to 4 healers now 1 less dps ill get over it

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Originally Posted by Makendu

Honestly what a waste of resources and money to patch Turn 2 now. Square should have patched it months ago doing not is just a waste of money , they could have used the money for other stuff. 2.2 is less then a month away and they pull this bull shit wasting resources and money on something that should have been fixed months ago which they claimed was legit and now they fix it?? are you kidding me? O well i gusse will change to 4 healers now 1 less dps ill get over it

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lmao. it was probably like 5 lines of code to change. I really don't think the sold the family farm on this.

I agree Ryu!

Having to learn more mechanics will make for better players overall.

When confronted with Enrage or not...I normally just get the group consensus. No reason to white knight rot when enrage was an easy win.

Look forward to having people try it out as I am sure a LOT of players have never even seen Rot.

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Originally Posted by cearka

lmao. it was probably like 5 lines of code to change. I really don't think the sold the family farm on this.

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Honestly less than that, they changed like 2 numbers, the variable controlling frequency and the variable controlling damage. Would take 2 seconds to change.

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Originally Posted by Moheeheeko

Honestly less than that, they changed like 2 numbers, the variable controlling frequency and the variable controlling damage. Would take 2 seconds to change.

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As long as their code is DB-driven. Please don't use hardcoded values SE. Please. For the sake of your future programmers. Please.

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Originally Posted by prymortal

clearly you missed the other post & it explain how SO WRONG YOU ARE
Halfwits cant do it, the majority of players in this game cant. I teach & teach & teach, explain, Nope. i've seen bricks that can play better!

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My PUGs didn't fail it, and if we have to suffer through kicking all the DRGs and MNKs out of the group again, so be it. You probably keep trying to bring three DRGs and have them psychically link to pass rot at the correct time, all while jugging four chainsaws and singing the Latvian national anthem. Again, it's party composition that matters, because you only have to pass once in the entire fight with 5 ranged jobs. After that, you sit in one spot and win. Most groups now have the DPS to club Ballast as well, leaving you with Gravity Lol and stack-negated rot. If you're an especially-lazy arse, you can just eat Piercing Laser every single time and not budge and inch for the rest of the fight.

I'm hearing it's still doable with 3 whms, which if so nothing will change much except for sch might be shafted on rage groups. Given the lock out the effect won't really be felt fully till the reset though.

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Originally Posted by Zhi

Link please?

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Assuming you mean the Titan thread it seems to have been nuked (it wasn't a pleasant thread) or I just can't find it here, there was/is an identical thread made on ZAM if you google "Kicked from LS for saying titan is hard" but I can't give you evidence it was here as well unfortunately.

I really don't mind them changing things to get people to do the strategy they want, but why did they confirm it's viable and they have no problem with it then? At the least, they could have put it in the patch notes. It's not like they didn't know they were going to do it.

Stuff like this doesn't bode well for the game because the fastest way to drive off subscribers is to make ninja changes.

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Originally Posted by Kiedan

I'm hearing it's still doable with 3 whms, which if so nothing will change much except for sch might be shafted on rage groups. Given the lock out the effect won't really be felt fully till the reset though.



Assuming you mean the Titan thread it seems to have been nuked (it wasn't a pleasant thread) or I just can't find it here, there was/is an identical thread made on ZAM if you google "Kicked from LS for saying titan is hard" but I can't give you evidence it was here as well unfortunately.

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Ya just finished reading it, not enough tears or drama though :c

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Originally Posted by SulwynCaliope

I'm a paying customer to this game and I expect to be treated in a truthful manner when I play this game.

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Oh man, I knew this day would come and the tears in this thread do not disappoint. People will have to actually challenge the fight as it was intended now, how awful!

Based Square Enix.

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Originally Posted by Clavaat

As long as their code is DB-driven. Please don't use hardcoded values SE. Please. For the sake of your future programmers. Please.

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Most likely controlled by a hard-coded value in the boss's Lua script or something.

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Originally Posted by SulwynCaliope

I'm a paying customer to this game and I expect to be treated in a truthful manner when I play this game. I'm not paying so that they can say one thing today and change their minds without telling me tomorrow. If that's the way you think a business should be run, then good for you. But as a paying customer, I want to be informed of things that could potentially alter my experience in the game. That is why they release patch notes. To keep their user base informed. Why should they only put some things on it but leave out other things? If you're going to put out patch notes, put down everything that was changed.

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*Shivers* It's getting cold... Too many snowflakes!

Just used Enrage method with whm and sch it worked just fine. I will say his pulse comes faster but that's about it, so dunno why people getting crip walked on by ADS now lol.