Yoshi P addresses lag. Its time to deliever...

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Originally Posted by Omagana

Dude it's a gif, not real time footage.[...]

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Too bad there is a timer clocking down on the upper right side of the screen :P

*edit* given your edit to your post I don't really know why you even posted the gifs if you just found them amusing? How does that help anyone in any way? There are enough people already swinging blindly at random targets no need to add fuel to the fire without any solid information or background knowledge.

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Originally Posted by Autymnfyres

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I appreciate your explanation and it gives insight but -- Responsibility rightly belongs with the company which has proffered this mmo service/product as advertised.

Sub-par. Is there no OTHER company which can be hired INSTEAD of Level3 Communications? They have a monopoly eh?

SE is responsible. Period.

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Actually much of the internet infrastructure is held by local monopolies. You don't have a choice when it's the only company that laid a backbone over that part of the country. This is how the internet works, and the data is automatically routed over that backbone. This is not SE's responsibility. Please learn more about the topic as you clearly don't understand how utilities or the internet function.

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Originally Posted by Omagana

Relax...

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Lol. I wasn't under the impression my tone was unrelaxed. I was just pointing out a problem with the so called "proof."

Still waiting for someone to show proof that SE runs the backbone that's having issues - or that they own any ISP for that matter.

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Originally Posted by Clavaat

Regardless, those gifs are recorded, meaning there was already lag.

But more importantly, they are so irrelevant it doesn't even matter. These are indeed old gifs, regarding an issue from months ago that has been fixed. The -current- lag issue has nothing to do with it. See previous posts for explanation (directed at OP of images).

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(Btw the bomb toss gif was during beta.)

I can't believe people are still trying to defend SE on this. It's their ISP/Network/Servers causing the issue. Stop acting like fanboys. When every other game in existence doesn't have this issue its not hard to see where the problem is.

Distance is not an issue I live in Buffalo, NY.....

How can you sit here and blindly defend SE when we as consumers have no power to fix this.....

Verizon Fios
I72600k
GTX 680

I can connect to BF4 servers on the other side of the planet with zero lag.
I can connect to any world of warcraft server with zero lag.
I deal with lag even when I am not routed through level 3 sometimes. Also sometimes when I am routed through level 3 I get zero lag.

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Originally Posted by remidi

I can't believe people are still trying to defend SE on this. It's their ISP/Network/Servers causing the issue. Stop acting like fanboys. When every other game in existence doesn't have this issue its not hard to see where the problem is.

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SE doesn't run their own ISP. It's been confirmed by ISPs to be an issue in between you and their servers, i.e Level3/Tata which are popular culprits. As some from Socal stated they have unplayable lag, yet not everyone does, that means those whose traffic run through tata end up losing packets by time they hit SE's datacenter, that isn't SE's problem.

Unless, as stated, you can show proof SE owns Tata/Sky/Level3.net?

Would anyone who isn't going through these issues be willing to post a traceroute? I'm curious as to what hops people who aren't rubberbanding go through.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Still waiting for someone to show proof that SE runs the backbone that's having issues - or that they own any ISP for that matter.



(Btw the bomb toss gif was during beta.)

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That's what I thought too! Wasn't even relevant to the final release at all. The other one I know was pre 2.1 since it was used in the big thread talking about the lag. It was one of the pics I thought helped bring us the .1 positional update.

As for proof Tupsi...people don't care. I've seen multiple threads with this topic, and each thread is dominated by frustrated people who have absolutely no fundamental understanding of how the internet actually works. They throw "but it doesn't happen in other games" at us like the servers physical location means absolutely nothing, and they seem to think every location on the internet is created equal and all routing to a server must of course be controlled by the company who made a video game. They don't care to learn how these things work. They only want to vent and be frustrated. Meanwhile, those of us who actually understand this technology have attempted to explain it in ways they would understand. We've met, as you know, absolutely no success in that regard. We can only talk to a brick wall for so long Tupsi.

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Originally Posted by remidi

I can't believe people are still trying to defend SE on this. It's their ISP/Network/Servers causing the issue. Stop acting like fanboys. When every other game in existence doesn't have this issue its not hard to see where the problem is.

Distance is not an issue I live in Buffalo, NY.....

How can you sit here and blindly defend SE when we as consumers have no power to fix this.....

Verizon Fios
I72600k
GTX 680

I can connect to BF4 servers on the other side of the planet with zero lag.
I can connect to any world of warcraft server with zero lag.
I deal with lag even when I am not routed through level 3 sometimes. Also sometimes when I am routed through level 3 I get zero lag.

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And yet nothing you said here means anything at all to the infrastructure of the internet. No matter how close you are to the servers if you happen to go through the bad node you will get lag so you living in buffalo means absolutely nothing at all. SE does not own the ISP. SE does not own the internet. SE does not own the internet backbones causing problems. Players can indeed play on the servers with no lag and without using apps like WTFast, and it's these players who prove it is not a server issue. I don't have to be defending SE to know how the technology works and therefore your assertions are utterly wrong. Throwing the word "fanboy" at people who understand the technology will do nothing to mask the fact you clearly don't understand it.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

the so called "proof."

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A gif of questionable frame rate isn't going to be proof of anything. I'm saying relax as in don't take it seriously.

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Originally Posted by Omagana

A gif of questionable frame rate isn't going to be proof of anything. I'm saying relax as in don't take it seriously.

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There is this thing called context. Someone posted the gif as if it meant something, and I pointed out it didn't. Why are you trying to tell me exactly what I was already trying to say? Also when you use the word relax I'm going to read the word relax. Use your words to convey what you actually mean please. You can't be that surprised when someone misreads what you yourself wrote.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

That's what I thought too! Wasn't even relevant to the final release at all. The other one I know was pre 2.1 since it was used in the big thread talking about the lag. It was one of the pics I thought helped bring us the .1 positional update.
As for proof Tupsi...people don't care. I've seen multiple threads with this topic, and each thread is dominated by frustrated people who have absolutely no fundamental understanding of how the internet actually works. They throw "but it doesn't happen in other games" at us like the servers physical location means absolutely nothing, and they seem to think every location on the internet is created equal and all routing to a server must of course be controlled by the company who made a video game. They don't care to learn how these things work. They only want to vent and be frustrated. Meanwhile, those of us who actually understand this technology have attempted to explain it in ways they would understand. We've met, as you know, absolutely no success in that regard. We can only talk to a brick wall for so long Tupsi.



And yet nothing you said here means anything at all to the infrastructure of the internet. No matter how close you are to the servers if you happen to go through the bad node you will get lag so you living in buffalo means absolutely nothing at all. SE does not own the ISP. SE does not own the internet. SE does not own the internet backbones causing problems. Players can indeed play on the servers with no lag and without using apps like WTFast, and it's these players who prove it is not a server issue. I don't have to be defending SE to know how the technology works and therefore assertions are utterly wrong. Throwing the word "fanboy" at people who understand the technology will do nothing to mask the fact you clearly don't understand it.

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Did you not read my post? If what I typed does not click in your head...you have issues. STOP BEING A BLIND FANBOY. I know exactly how the internet works...this isn't 1980...... distance does affect latency(You should learn what an amplifier is)....don't be stupid. Is it the end all effect? No...not at all. But it does mean something when I live right next to the Canadian border. I bring it up as people from the South have asked previously if anyone up North deals with this rubberbanding.

The lag is at random intervals and it's always when the servers have many people logged on. It does not matter which way I am routed. WTFAST may help in certain situations but that does not mean that SE isnt to blame...

Like I said..when EVERYTHING else in my library of hundreds of online games works....yea. It's not hard to see where the blame lies. Stop trying to put the blame elsewhre. There are hundreds of post on these forums...thats all the proof you need.


I know you feel cool and special trying to be all mighty and say how things work and put me down but you are wrong.



Sadly these forums are filled with Fanboys that think SE can do know wrong. You must have forgotten how broken this game was when released....but no they can't do know wrong. The latency is their issue and they have to fix it. People are only gonna stand dying to primals for so long due to know fault of their own.

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Originally Posted by TeaTimeBear

Would anyone who isn't going through these issues be willing to post a traceroute? I'm curious as to what hops people who aren't rubberbanding go through.

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I believe this was their datacenter IP:

http://i60.tinypic.com/wjt8vl.jpg

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Originally Posted by remidi

Did you not read my post?

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You may want to actually read the thread yourself.

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Like I said..when EVERYTHING else in my library of hundreds of online games works

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If you actually read the thread you would know - Other MMOs aren't all going to the same location and at times aren't even taking the same route. If Level3.net is having issues sending data to certain spots, it won't affect everything unless they all go to the same spot.

If for example say Blizzard used Level3.net to route Socal players to their servers, it won't have issues, but if the DC they use for WoW is located in the same spot as XIV ARR, they'll have issues because it's Level3.net, not Blizzard.

Also, if people don't keep up with the news or anything - there's been a ton of pretty terrible weather in that side of the country..which can affect communications especially if the infrastructure is pretty old.

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Have fun folks

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Originally Posted by remidi

It's not hard to see where the blame lies. Stop trying to put the blame elsewhre. There are hundreds of post on these forums...thats all the proof you need.

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Actually it clearly is hard to see where the blame lies, and it's because people like you continue to say things like this "There are hundreds of post on these forums...thats all the proof you need." Actually, that isn't proof at all. By using that as "proof" you are committing a blatant logical fallacy. Posts are not proof of anything. The posts show there is a problem that should be looked into, but they do not in anyway shape or form lay a basis for a logical argument proving without a shadow of a doubt that it is SE. It isn't proof of anything except you assuming that a mass of people somehow equals technical proof. I don't really care how close you are to the Canadian border. That doesn't mean anything what so ever. Sure, your ping will be lower, but that's it. It does not make you immune from a bad route to the servers that would still exist between you and the server. Also, simply pointing out that "other games work" does absolutely NOTHING to show why they work. It has no analysis for where the servers were located, or the performance level of those nodes between you and each of those uniquely located servers. The network topology that exists between you and the server for any game directly affects your performance when connecting to that server. In our case there is considerable evidence there ARE very specific nodes that we players can prove are causing the problem. These are nodes that players are hitting when trying to access SE's FFXIV servers. This is a fact, and many players have pasted that info in the dozen or so lag threads that have appeared. It is players like you who want to keep ignoring that hard evidence and then throw "fanboy" or "white knight" at someones face. My apologies for using hard evidence over "a bunch of forum posts" as a basis for my reasoning.

Threads like these are pretty entertaining

Okay last reply....since know one wants to read what I actually typed.... You are too busy blindly defending as you are taking offense to people talking bad about SE. You shouldnt be...we are gamers and are ont he same team. You should be looking out for your fellow gamer but you just see an opportunity to act like an ass and you want to jump on it.

IF I GO THROUGH LEVEL3 I DO NOT ALWAYS DEAL WITH LATENCY. MOST TIMES MY PING IS FINE! ITS NOT THE WEATHER. IT WAS LIKE THIS WHEN THE WEATHER WAS FINE. The last idiot in one of these threads tried blaming the cold and that it was messing with Fiber Optic density...../facepalm

I live in Buffalo NY. Im pretty sure I know how the weather works...Next will it be the suns position in the sky?


Okay..you can go deal with that now and blame everyone but the guilty party some more.

It's their servers. As soon as it becomes primetime we deal with lag. End of story...its them. It won't be so funny when you are looking for people all day in the PF due to people quitting due to lag.

Just look at the tech support forums. There are post with HUNDREDS of threads on this issue. But go ahead...put the blame elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

That's what I thought too! Wasn't even relevant to the final release at all. The other one I know was pre 2.1 since it was used in the big thread talking about the lag. It was one of the pics I thought helped bring us the .1 positional update.

As for proof Tupsi...people don't care. I've seen multiple threads with this topic, and each thread is dominated by frustrated people who have absolutely no fundamental understanding of how the internet actually works. They throw "but it doesn't happen in other games" at us like the servers physical location means absolutely nothing, and they seem to think every location on the internet is created equal and all routing to a server must of course be controlled by the company who made a video game. They don't care to learn how these things work. They only want to vent and be frustrated. Meanwhile, those of us who actually understand this technology have attempted to explain it in ways they would understand. We've met, as you know, absolutely no success in that regard. We can only talk to a brick wall for so long Tupsi.



And yet nothing you said here means anything at all to the infrastructure of the internet. No matter how close you are to the servers if you happen to go through the bad node you will get lag so you living in buffalo means absolutely nothing at all. SE does not own the ISP. SE does not own the internet. SE does not own the internet backbones causing problems. Players can indeed play on the servers with no lag and without using apps like WTFast, and it's these players who prove it is not a server issue. I don't have to be defending SE to know how the technology works and therefore your assertions are utterly wrong. Throwing the word "fanboy" at people who understand the technology will do nothing to mask the fact you clearly don't understand it.

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You're right Tiggy. Most of us don't have an understanding and are venting. I myself have zero background in any of this stuff (didn't think I'd ever have to learn it to play lol) I am not afraid to admit I have zero understanding with how a lot of this stuff works. You and many others do which IS appreciated at least by me.. As I was able to VPN via PS3/Mac with some vague tidbits miraculously.

While I get your frustrations, I'd hope you'd be willing to do the same. We are going on 4 months now, with the few reasons from big names being "it's your ISP" then when you ask your ISP they go " nope it's SE" then things go silent.. So you try to keep hope because you do enjoy the game. You begin to reach out to the back bone Level3. And they want zero to do with you.

You're then given three options; quit, VPN, or keep trying to fin some way to fix this problem. It sets a strong feeling of hopelessness. I wouldn't hold it against people complaining as we've been stuck for months now. Tempers will rise with all this time, and the finger pointing/no response besides user tech... It just makes it worse. It doesn't reassure people much. I feel bad as a lot of people are giving up now seeing as they feel it's fruitless. Really I wish this were an easy fix..

@ Tupsi: Thank you

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Originally Posted by remidi

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So primetime is the magical hour where people don't have to get routed through anything instead it goes like this: Your router -> SE Server.
Makes sense.

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Originally Posted by TeaTimeBear

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You're then given three options; quit, VPN, or keep trying to fin some way to fix this problem. It sets a strong feeling of hopelessness. I wouldn't hold it against people complaining as we've been stuck for months now. Tempers will rise with all this time, and the finger pointing/no response besides user tech... It just makes it worse. It doesn't reassure people much. I feel bad as a lot of people are giving up now seeing as they feel it's fruitless. Really I wish this were an easy fix..

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I know the situation sucks especially when things like that aren't really clearly structured for the consumer and blame is easy to go around. Just recently at my job we had to deal with issues where we knew our ISP was at fault but even when confronted with proof they still claimed to be innocent. And it it doesn't help that fact the every time you get someone different on the support hotline.
Believe me I really wish the people who have issues good luck.

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Originally Posted by Miiu

So primetime is the magical hour where people don't have to get routed through anything instead it goes like this: Your router -> SE Server.
Makes sense.

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NO ONE is saying that. Stop using that as an excuse to be ass and have a condescending reply.

You just want to quickly reply and be an ass. When it is very clear in my previous post I know how routing works. I have done traceroutes and have watched my route not change and I can watch the rubberband start happening. I have used WTFAST and have seen the same exact rubberbanding when as well. Whats your excuse for SE now?

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Originally Posted by remidi

Okay last reply....since know one wants to read what I actually typed....

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Right, because my carefully constructed reply that pinpointed specific parts of your posts clearly showed I didn't read it at all. It's logic like this I'm talking about. Blanket statements with no semblance of truth.

Also "prime time = lag" isn't always a server problem. Prime time = more traffic = network nodes that service that data center have increased throughput. That network node could very well be failing more during prime time because things changed in 2.1. As some users pointed out things got worse after 2.1. If you recall 2.1 came with the .1 positional update. It went from .3 to .1. That is a 3x increase in the amount of positional updates in instanced content. Do you not think this increased traffic would push already failing nodes into a worse state? You're "proof" still doesn't prove it is the server. All it does is prove the internet has more traffic during prime time. Big surprise there.

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Originally Posted by TeaTimeBear

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TeaTimeBear, I definitely understand where the frustrations are coming from. If the players really want to get a resolution then we should be bombarding the support emails of the companies who own these bad nodes. I want to push people into making complaints that will actually help or matter. All this flaming on the forum may make someone feel great for a few seconds, but ultimately it won't achieve anything. What we should be doing is organizing a massive community wide campaign to FLOOD the mail boxes on these companies until we get a response (something I've personally done a few times already). I'm not the type of user who finds satisfaction in simply complaining online. I also feel that the community needs some education in this matter. Too few people understand, and far fewer still seem willing to try and understand.

The two biggest offenders:
http://www.tatacommunications.com/
http://www.level3.com/

Let them know how you feel about their service.

Just for fun here's my trace to the Japanese DC.

http://i62.tinypic.com/15fjey0.png

Listen bud I know you want to argue and defend SE..

The plain and simple fact is it doesn't matter if I use WTFAST.
It can not be more obvious the problem is on their end.

You make my head want to explode. You are trying to type intellectually and look cool on the forums but you are not using common sense.......
I have said that it doesnt matter what route I go through. I do and don't deal with latency on all of them so far. I've only been routed 3 different ways from I am seeing.

Can't even reply without editing due to character limits.....Im done with these forums. Probably this game soon if the lag isnt addressed.

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Originally Posted by remidi

Listen bud I know you want to argue and defend SE..

The plain and simple fact is it doesn't matter if I use WTFAST.
It can not be more obvious the problem is on their end.

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FYI: VPNs tunnel traffic better, which means, and this may shock you - it's a route problem, not a server problem. VPNs doesn't magically fix server issues, there's a reason they're called 'tunneling services." The only thing VPNs does is:

1. Allows you to bypass region lockouts
2. Routes your traffic more directly if possible.
3. Connects clients to a private network etc etc.

#2 is why it fixes many issues for people.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

FYI: VPNs tunnel traffic better, which means, and this may shock you - it's a route problem, not a server problem. VPNs doesn't magically fix server issues, there's a reason they're called 'tunneling services." The only thing VPNs does is:

1. Allows you to bypass region lockouts
2. Routes your traffic more directly if possible.
3. Connects clients to a private network etc etc.

#2 is why it fixes many issues for people.

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Holy...wow are you dense?

Sometimes I have zero issues using WTFAST. Sometimes I don't. When using WTFAST my route does not change much as I go through Boston and then Montreal. My point is that if a VPN is not always helping it has to be their servers. Or are you now going to tell me there is another router elsewhere that only affects FFXIV users. Just stop....

I feel like I am dealing with bads in the PF........
This is ridiculous, I still can''t believe people are trying to say it's not SE or their ISP at this point....

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Originally Posted by remidi

Holy...wow are you dense?

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Let me repost so you can reread:

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2. Routes your traffic more directly if possible.

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This is why for some people with issues, VPNs fixes it. I only ever get hiccups every now and then but no 'unplayable lag' these days - If what you say is true, everyone would have issues. No exceptions.

Zero.

It's been long confirmed the issue lies in between you and the datacenter, which for many is Tata and Level3. For some, Sky is having issues with FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by remidi

I feel like I am dealing with bads in the PF........
This is ridiculous, I still can''t believe people are trying to say it's not SE or their ISP at this point....

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Probably because if you actually read (which you clearly don't) you would know it's been confirmed it's not SE or their ISP but the biggest issues are level3 and tata, at least for many NA players.

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Originally Posted by remidi

Holy...wow are you dense?

Sometimes I have zero issues using WTFAST. Sometimes I don't. When using WTFAST my route does not change much as I go through Boston and then Montreal. My point is that if a VPN is not always helping it has to be their servers. Or are you now going to tell me there is another router elsewhere that only affects FFXIV users. Just stop....

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We've been talking about this, and we've been civil. Please refrain from insults and name calling.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Unless, as stated, you can show proof SE owns Tata/Sky/Level3.net?

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SE owns none of them. Your excuse is horrible in this case regarding Verizon, Ormuco, and Level 3.

In the case of Verizon in the NE USA. SE pays Ormuco for Data Solutions. Ormuco pays Level 3 for bandwidth. Verizon has a Peering agreement with Level 3.

The problem isn't the Peer Exchange. The Data is getting lost after it in Level 3's network. This is not Verizon's issue. It is between Ormuco and Level 3 but also involves SE as they pay Ormuco.

Right outside the NA DataCenter's internal network:

IP Location: Montreal, Canada Level 3 Communications Inc.
ASN: Canada AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications (registered Mar 10, 2000)
Resolve Host: ORMUCO-COMM.car2.Montreal2.Level3.net
IP Address: 4.59.178.74

SE pays Ormuco. SE customers are affected by Ormuco/Level 3. We don't complain to them SE does as they pay them for the service.

As far as other ISPs and different routing idk. I'm only familiar with what I can test.

"Show me proof Verizon owns SE, Ormuco and Level 3." - Don't plz cause I would never ask this. The internet isn't magic SE gets for free.

Moving along...

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

We've been talking about this, and we've been civil. Please refrain from insults and name calling.

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I see, I put you in a corner and now because I used the term dense to describe your reply I am insulting you? It's not an insult ...it's a fact. Just re-read it. You keep trying to explain to me how a VPN works.... You can go ahead and report me now bud. I know you want to. You don't have to reply to post where customers are complaining about lag. you just want to point fingers and argue. You are subtly trolling.

The post above me has the answer you are looking for. If you keep replying with nonsense I am gonna report you for trolling.

I experience on and off issues, most days i'm fine but every few weeks i'll have a day or two where I rubberband out the ass. I guess i'll count my blessings that that's all I get, but my girlfriend whom I play with experiences far more constant issues. Whenever we want to play it feels like we have to pray to another RNG god: the one determining whether the servers are going full retard that day or not. It's been months now and it's getting ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by remidi

I see, I put you in a corner and now because I used the term dense to describe your reply I am insulting you? It's not an insult ...it's a fact. Just re-read it. You keep trying to explain to me how a VPN works.... You can go ahead and report me now bud. I know you want to. You don't have to reply to post where customers are complaining about lag. you just want to point fingers and argue. You are subtly trolling.

The post above me has the answer you are looking for. If you keep replying with nonsense I am gonna report you for trolling.

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I'm not going to report you. Despite the condescending way you keep calling me bud.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

I'm not going to report you. Despite the condescending way you keep calling me bud.

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Using bud is not condescending. That was my not my intention at all and it is very obvious. Your problem is you are too easily offended. It's obvious as you can't handle the word "dense" and you are blindly defending SE as if you are offended by us blaming them. You don't have to come into this thread and reply. You just want to argue and point fingers.

Also do you not have anything more to say since your theory was proven wrong in the post above?

You can't report me for using the word dense bud. But I can report you for trolling and trying to incite arguments. No worries, I won't.


**We are gamers and we should be friends. You should be trying to help on this issue. Instead you are pointing fingers and trying to insult people in a subtle manner so you don't get a warning from the forums mods.

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Originally Posted by ReplicaX

SE pays Ormuco. SE customers are affected by Ormuco/Level 3. We don't complain to them SE does as they pay them for the service.

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From this, we can assume a few things:

1. SE, a major company, is paying money to a company that is failing its current requirements. Since this is true, there is almost no doubt they are in talks to fix this already, as no company will bleed money at another's expense.
2. Finding an actually solution requires a few steps: Submitting bug reports to Ormuco (translated), notifying employees of the issue, monetary hours spent to pay the employees to fix it, employees that have to communicate to Level-3, who may also have to write up bug reports and RDs, work with their technicians as well (more monetary hours).
3. If at any point, there is a bottleneck in workflow (bad weather conditions, sick employees, playing a he said/she said of who is causing the actual packet loss, finding errors within logs, etc), this can take TIME. A lot of it.


I'm a lowly programmer for my company, but this is not entirely different than the workflow I experience every day. It has certainly been more than we should expect of customers of customers (redundancy intended), but things happen.

IP Location: Montreal, Canada Level 3 Communications Inc.
ASN: Canada AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications (registered Mar 10, 2000)
Resolve Host: ORMUCO-COMM.car2.Montreal2.Level3.net
IP Address: 4.59.178.74

IP Location: Canada, Montreal Ormuco
ASN: Canada AS174 COGENT Cogent/PSI (registered May 16, 1996)
IP Address: 38.122.42.34

Source: whois.arin.net

Clavaat: I relate to SE's end, its no easy feat.

The problem I have is the mass amount of non-effected players that just flat out say its you or your ISP and continue to argue with no fact. You also never see these folks in the Tech section.

I know a lot of people place the blame for lag on connection. However, this is still SE's fault, because they didn't compensate for it.

These are Japanese developers. They don't make a lot of online games like our western developers do. They also enjoy a far more powerful internet service in their country. Fiber right up to everyone's house as I understand it. Western game makers put a lot of effort into minimizing or compensating for the delay in our long distance copper heavy network.

Normally this might not be an issue, but SE also designed a lot of the end-game bosses with very lag sensitive mechanics. Titan HM and EX are the prime examples of this.

These two points are why SE is at fault here. They need to recognize the kind of network we are forced to play on. They need to provide better netcode that can compensate for lag problems, like making character positioning client authoritative. They also need to take lag into consideration when they design a boss fight. For our EU friends, they also could have provided localized servers.

You can blame ISPs and routes all you want, but it's still SE's responsibility to provide a playable game, especially when we are paying a service fee.

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Originally Posted by Clavaat

See this is where your logic falls through. They are paying Ormuco for their Data Solution, which is failing some of its consumers, thus resulting in customers being dissatisfied and possibly leaving, as you stated you may do yourself. A company will not pay another for failing software/hardware. This is bleeding money because they are not getting the service they are paying for, and potentially losing customers in the process. This kind of stuff happens all the time. You will not hear about any of the above companies (Ormuco/Level-3) from SE to take the blame publicly, as this is unprofessional and would create even more issues. In other words, we more than likely will not hear from the devs on this situation specifically, and it will take awhile to solve.

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I agree to a point. This lag has been going on for a couple months, SE should have done whatever is necessary to fix it.
Three reasons they may not be able to:
Contract with current ISP
It's being looked at but taking time.
They don't care. It may no be cost effective depending on how mush their ISP charges..

They are a company it's all about profit. Never forget that. The subscriptions they lose may be worth it in their eyes if they are paying a small amount for their ISP compared to other ISP's they can use.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

I stopped replying because I'm at work, and sometimes I have to focus on my job.

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Listen bud. I know you want to argue some more and try to get me to reply with something that is ban worthy but its not gonna happen. Troll elsewhere. It's already been stated it's SE's ISP(possibly) so your theory that its not their problem is possibly wrong. Go troll elsewhere.

Not once did I call you a name directly aside from being a troll. Which is what you are currently doing. I will not reply to anything else you say as its a waste of living.

You spent every reply in this thread defending SE or pointing fingers and blaming others....go away. You are not helping though of us with lag issues.

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Originally Posted by remidi

Not once did I call you a name directly aside from being a troll. Which is what you are currently doing. I will not reply to anything else you say as its a waste of living.

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Instead, you'll just insult someone "behind their backs"? It's funny how the ones who accuse others of doing something 99% of the time are the ones doing it.

I'm sorry that offering a differing point of view on the matter, and bringing logical reasoning for my point of view, is somehow trolling to you. I can't change you see it that way.

ReplicaX, where did you get the info that SE was paying Ormuco? I want to look into it a bit. I don't know much about where to find that info.

After all this time honestly I can see why SE isn't saying anything and just silently working with Ormuco or possibly other alternatives. It might come down to cost even. At this point I'm just tired in general.

I know its not my ISP or me, but if I want to enjoy the game. For the time being its WTFast for now.

Really there is nothing more I can provide. SE with all the complaints knows the situation. It was their call to make the game server side dependent, the location in Montreal, and its Data Solutions Provider.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

ReplicaX, where did you get the info that SE was paying Ormuco? I want to look into it a bit. I don't know much about where to find that info.

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It's been known since Phase 3 beta. Eidos was already there and using Ormuco, Square owns Eidos.

A cached article on it: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:3j0E4l_OyioJ:www.investquebec.com/en/index.aspx?page%3D3119+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

http://www.ormuco.com/ - Eidos advertisement on front page as it was a sister and parent company project shown in the article above.

The fact that everything coming out of the DataCenter's internal network has Ormuco on it via whois.

Anyway there is more out there. I'm just done with it at this point.