SE sort out your Updater ><

Remote Connection: 0
Local Connection: 3
Download: 500 KB/s
I love it ^^

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Originally Posted by Ilean

lul i need to zzzzzzz

please keep the luls rolling, i read the boards before work :D

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Alas, going to have to bail myself. I was counting on you!

I'm not here to defend the downloader. It obviously has a lot of issues. However, those of you who always show 0 remote connections even after the downloader has been running for several minutes should definitely try forwarding ports if you haven't done so yet. (Others in this thread have explained which ports, etc.) On my old modem it shortened my patch download time from a few hours down to a few minutes. Things usually get much faster when remote connections start to show up.

Again, it's apparent from the posts on this forum that forwarding ports isn't doing the trick for everyone, but it's most definitely worth trying.

On the modem I have issues with, forwarding the ports doesn't work but bridging the modem does. Of course, I'm not exactly comfortable doing that so I don't, but it is weird that opening ports doesn't fix it yet turning off the firewall all together does. In my case, it is definitely my modem. It just does not like SE's updater.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

On the modem I have issues with, forwarding the ports doesn't work but bridging the modem does. Of course, I'm not exactly comfortable doing that so I don't, but it is weird that opening ports doesn't fix it yet turning off the firewall all together does. In my case, it is definitely my modem. It just does not like SE's updater.

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I guess your modem doesn't like Japan, bunch of weirdos.

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Originally Posted by Celeras

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

Because people are complaining about a patcher when that isn't the issue ... it isn't anyones net or the patcher. But the fact that too many people are patching at the same time. People think the patcher sucks for trying to patch it on patch day.

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How is it not an issue on SE's end when virtually no other modern MMOs have this problem?

You claim to have played WoW, but if you really had you'd know that the active players out of its 11 million subscribers quickly and smoothly download their patches in a reasonable timeframe, and log in with no problem on patch day. One way they speed up this process with major content patches is by allowing you to pre-download patch data ahead of time so you'll be ready to go on patch day. And if that isn't enough, their patcher is so awesome it's broken into 3 stages. After stage one, you are free to log in and play. That's right, you can log in before it's even finished.

FFXI was off and running before WoW was even heard of. SE is on their second MMO, and they still haven't figured out how to handle their own updates? Was this entire game outsourced during development or something? It's like they don't even know how to fix their own code.

I understand not all companies are Blizzard. So, as it's been mentioned, look at other games like Rift and Aion. Trion and NCSoft are much smaller developers, and you can download and play on patch day, no problem.

And your solution is that people should just wait a day or two?

"Server lag is making it impossible to play." "Just wait."
"Poor UI response is making simple actions take 5 times as long." "Just wait."
"My mouse won't move because it's software rendered." "Just wait."
"Stamina bar and animation-stop between active and passive mode make combat feel slow." "Just wait."
"No chocobos, airships, low-mid level content or endgame." "Just wait."
"It's been nine months now and the game still isn't worthy of the Final Fantasy name." "Just wait."

Seriously, are you Tanaka in disguise? Because that is the attitude that is making people really cranky around here. Everyone is tired of waiting for improvements, and being made to feel like we expect too much when everyone else in the gaming world gets the freaking job done.

Wow just read through this thread and Kilta sorry but you are absolutely incorrect on so many levels.

If you bothered to read you would have saw that I got fed up with the "patcher" and threw it into uTorrent. In uTorrent the patch downloaded in 4 and a half mins, the "patcher" still had 4+ hours on it. I believe both uTorrent and the patcher get the update the same way from the same sources using a torrent style setup. It's just for me uTorrent was a million times better at linking me up to seeds than the patcher is.

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

How is it not an issue on SE's end when virtually no other modern MMOs have this problem?

You claim to have played WoW, but if you really had you'd know that the active players out of its 11 million subscribers quickly and smoothly download their patches in a reasonable timeframe, and log in with no problem on patch day. One way they speed up this process with major content patches is by allowing you to pre-download patch data ahead of time so you'll be ready to go on patch day. And if that isn't enough, their patcher is so awesome it's broken into 3 stages. After stage one, you are free to log in and play. That's right, you can log in before it's even finished.

FFXI was off and running before WoW was even heard of. SE is on their second MMO, and they still haven't figured out how to handle their own updates? Was this entire game outsourced during development or something? It's like they don't even know how to fix their own code.

I understand not all companies are Blizzard. So, as it's been mentioned, look at other games like Rift and Aion. Trion and NCSoft are much smaller developers, and you can download and play on patch day, no problem.

And your solution is that people should just wait a day or two?

"Server lag is making it impossible to play." "Just wait."
"Poor UI response is making simple actions take 5 times as long." "Just wait."
"My mouse won't move because it's software rendered." "Just wait."
"Stamina bar and animation-stop between active and passive mode make combat feel slow." "Just wait."
"No chocobos, airships, low-mid level content or endgame." "Just wait."
"It's been nine months now and the game still isn't worthy of the Final Fantasy name." "Just wait."

Seriously, are you Tanaka in disguise? Because that is the attitude that is making people really cranky around here. Everyone is tired of waiting for improvements, and being made to feel like we expect too much when everyone else in the gaming world gets the freaking job done.

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I think the "attitude" that you're referring to is more of an understanding or acceptance that they have that many don't seem to have.

I understand that this game has a lot of major issues and accept that it's going to take a long~time to fix it. Until then, I play and enjoy it for what it's worth. As long as I know they are doing something to make it better, and I know they are doing a lot, I'm satisfied till that time.



Cheer up Rowyne, we have a good server and good friends to entertain us. Don't you think? :-)

Dear SE,

we do understand you don't have the technical skills to build a decent patching system (scaling servers, optional P2P, win32 interface, delta patching). But it's ok. I don't have them either. Really, it's ok, Don't try to improve it anymore. Don't apologize anymore. But please, consider investing in an existing patching solution. This would be a very potent investment, as it would ease the use of all of your games at once. I'm also pretty sure it would cost less than trying to build something decent from your actual system. And it would make everyone of us happier.

We are not angry with you SE. But now, please, it's time to be reasonable and do things properly.

Cheers.

Did an interesting little experiment.
I downloaded the patch, as soon as it was available.
It took me 45 min.
Waited almost 10 hour.
I uninstalled 14.
Reinstalled.
30min to patch.

I'll let you guys argue about what that means.

The patcher clearly needs work and SE seem to be aware of that, but I think the bigger issue is whether it's really necessary for us to download a 328mb file for a 100kb update. Come on, guys, some common sense goes a long way. +_+

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Originally Posted by origamikitsune

Did an interesting little experiment.
I downloaded the patch, as soon as it was available.
It took me 45 min.
Waited almost 10 hour.
I uninstalled 14.
Reinstalled.
30min to patch.

I'll let you guys argue about what that means.

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There's a Dilbert joke in here somewhere...

I didn't have issues at all, took me 15-20min to download patch and to redownload full take me 40mins tops. I open my ports i have 6MB download 512kb upload using AT&T. I really don't know why everyone having issue and some are not but i agree SE should just have a webpage you could download each patch.

btw there is a website that allow you to download each patch go look it up on Google.

Started downloading patch at 3:01, finished 17 minutes later at 3:18. I have no port forwarding enabled. I am starting to think the issue is with peoples ISP/routers/modems.
I can usually get the patches in decent time when they're newly released on patch day, too.

LOL

What does it take to ban someone on this forum, really?
Honestly, if this were my forum I'd ban hammer one of you all every day.
I'd probably not even meet my own standards (with this post alone).

Instead of arguing and bitching we should all love SE and be constructive (which is not constructive) - and Kilta, I'm talking to you, though I know I'll regret it - you should just post when you have something constructive to add. Destructive comments and derailing threads for your own personal vendettas against (wah) people who are rude to you shouldn't be tolerated. How do you not notice that 9/10 times you post in a thread, you get crapped all over? You like that kind of attention? You let your boyfriend do that to you when you were 19?

You talk a big game about how grown up you are but your posts betray you.
The amount of times I see you ganged up on betrays you.

This game and this community have enough problems. When can I hope and pray for some perma-bans and some IP bans from people who literally spew their horse(----) all over every thread.

It's so nice when they aren't here, filling up 30/40 posts per page with their crybaby insults.

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On another note, the patcher almost never works for me. I always seek alternative assistance. I prefer a 10min download to 7 hours. Today, incidentally, I was bringing in groceries so I just let it ride and it was done in 15 minutes. Probably the 2nd time it's finished in a timely manner out of all the patches since CE release.

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Originally Posted by Balbanes

Started downloading patch at 3:01, finished 17 minutes later at 3:18. I have no port forwarding enabled. I am starting to think the issue is with peoples ISP/routers/modems.
I can usually get the patches in decent time when they're newly released on patch day, too.

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That what am saying there ISP A: Ports not working right B: there ISP: Sucks and the download just does not work right with there isp. Or C: some people are trying to download ffxiv on a wireless and blame the d/c and slow download on that when wireless sucks for ffxiv.

not much to say Kilta = prick and the patcher needs a fix

lol everything in FFXIV sucks even the updater!

p.d Download rate 0,0 ...............have been dowloading for hours..........23%

SE 1900s called wants the 56k modem back

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

Because people are complaining about a patcher when that isn't the issue. It is the congestion of everyong trying to patch at the same time. So really who needs who's brain checked? >.>

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Perhaps it's that you're arguing in the face of overwhelming evidence?

Perhaps it's because you're well-known for blindly defending Square Enix for even the tiniest of transgressions?

I'm going to repost this from the 1.17c discussion thread which should basically put all your suggestions to bed. Can't wait for you to tell me that I don't know how to run PCs properly or some BS like that.

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Here's what I'd like to know.

Quad-core i7 950, 12 GB of RAM. I start the client up and it's working fine, not stalling but not exactly blazing along.

5 minutes later, I turn on my wife's PC, an older Athlon II X4. She never had any "remote connections", 20 local. I have 34 remote, 26 local. I don't even know what that's supposed to mean anyway, it's a poorly-worded indicator. I assume remote is other users, local is SE-managed nodes, but I dunno.

Her PC has since finished the update, and my PC is just past 50%.

We're on the same connection, on the same switch even.

What's up with that?

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In the end I took about 45 minutes to patch. Her PC finished it in under 10. Both are using UPnP. I'm on FIOS, and I have an excellent router.

My best guess is that the netcode used by their custom BT platform does a terrible job of managing leechers, and if you connect strictly to seeders, then you maintain good speeds. But obviously we can't all connect just to seeders, or else we'd be back to the days of the horrible FFXI patcher (albeit with fewer dialogues - AMAZING that the *one* aspect of FFXIV that has fewer dialogue prompts is the updater). Thus, if you connect with uTorrent, with its superior connection-handling, it flies through. As an added plus, uTorrent users continue seeding the file, helping their fellow players out.

So yes. It's not working correctly.

At this point, since they have *so* many other things to do and don't seem to understand yet another aspect of good PC development, they should just disable the patch deletion in the client and post some instructions for using uTorrent to encourage other tech-savvy users to contribute. Doing that would only take a couple of hours and would require no coding and it'd make everyone happier in the long run.

ahahaha me too!! have 20mb but download 7 b/s ahhah
for me is many problem!
i have private ip,utorrent no work!!
sometimes I wonder,if SE has tried 14 before selling!

time remaining 2:13:09.......... speed 0,0.......................23%........................

no hurry here since wont play but want to have it updated.....

Same problem of slow download here, however, I launched just before going to work so it should be done by the time I get back home.
In any case, there is a problem and it's not only due to users (us). Moreover, sorry Kilta, but one should not have to wait 2days to be able to downlaod a 300mb patch in a reasonnable amount of time. Please look into it SE.

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Originally Posted by Draven

Cheer up Rowyne, we have a good server and good friends to entertain us. Don't you think? :-)

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That I will agree with. <3 Besaid! :)

I often rage a bit whenever there is a big patch/update - it is a painful process for me. Even doing it through uTorrent I was experiencing nearly the same effect. So what I end up doing is just waiting until the next morning hoping there are less people I have to compete/take turns with in obtaining the data.

Yes SE - please fix this - I find most of my aggravation, more often than not, comes from this. If it was meant to be innovative, this is innovatively horrid. :)

If you're not having Remote Connections try to do this:

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The ports you need to open are 54992-55551 TCP/UDP and port 443 UDP open.

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and bring FFXIV in the exceptions of your Firewall.

Worked for me since Release.

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Originally Posted by Renshi

If you're not having Remote Connections try to do this:

and bring FFXIV in the exceptions of your Firewall.

Worked for me since Release.

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Based on my experiences, this is exactly what you would *not* want to do, since the PC without Remote Connections finished quite quickly, and the one without took much longer.

Just going to put this out there, I've only ever had trouble downloading a patch once or twice. Every other time the official SE patcher worked fine and pretty quick. It seems only a select few seem to not have problems with it. That being said they should fix it and give us a proper one, for those who are forced to torrent.

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

How is it not an issue on SE's end when virtually no other modern MMOs have this problem?

You claim to have played WoW, but if you really had you'd know that the active players out of its 11 million subscribers quickly and smoothly download their patches in a reasonable timeframe, and log in with no problem on patch day. One way they speed up this process with major content patches is by allowing you to pre-download patch data ahead of time so you'll be ready to go on patch day. And if that isn't enough, their patcher is so awesome it's broken into 3 stages. After stage one, you are free to log in and play. That's right, you can log in before it's even finished.

FFXI was off and running before WoW was even heard of. SE is on their second MMO, and they still haven't figured out how to handle their own updates? Was this entire game outsourced during development or something? It's like they don't even know how to fix their own code.

I understand not all companies are Blizzard. So, as it's been mentioned, look at other games like Rift and Aion. Trion and NCSoft are much smaller developers, and you can download and play on patch day, no problem.

And your solution is that people should just wait a day or two?

"Server lag is making it impossible to play." "Just wait."
"Poor UI response is making simple actions take 5 times as long." "Just wait."
"My mouse won't move because it's software rendered." "Just wait."
"Stamina bar and animation-stop between active and passive mode make combat feel slow." "Just wait."
"No chocobos, airships, low-mid level content or endgame." "Just wait."
"It's been nine months now and the game still isn't worthy of the Final Fantasy name." "Just wait."

Seriously, are you Tanaka in disguise? Because that is the attitude that is making people really cranky around here. Everyone is tired of waiting for improvements, and being made to feel like we expect too much when everyone else in the gaming world gets the freaking job done.

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10/10
My hero.

I am hit or miss on patches.


Some patch nights its a 5 minute affair, others it can take up to 3 hours and I go play a different game while its running till my Windows 7 UAC pops up saying it wants to patch.

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Originally Posted by Cutriss

Based on my experiences, this is exactly what you would *not* want to do, since the PC without Remote Connections finished quite quickly, and the one without took much longer.

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I dunno pal, it worked for me. I guess giving a try doesn't hurt at all.
In my case was the contrary: Less remote connections, Less speed.

To be honest my main concern is for Patch 1.18 as Yoshi stated in his letter:

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but given the tremendous size of the patch

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That is what I am most worried about, 300 odd MB can take long enough 1.18 could well end up being 1GB+ and then lets not forget how they manage there updates so 1.18a, 1.18b and so on will require us to re-download 1.18 in full each time even if the actual update is only a few MB worth of tweeks.

I really hope they have some sort of fix for the patcher before then otherwise it 1.18 could be a nightmare with the patcher in it's current state.

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Originally Posted by AlexiaKidd

To be honest my main concern is for Patch 1.18 as Yoshi stated in his letter:


That is what I am most worried about, 300 odd MB can take long enough 1.18 could well end up being 1GB+ and then let not forget how they manage there updates so 1.18a, 1.18b and so on will require us to re-download 1.18 in full each time even if the actual update is only a few MB worth of tweeks.

I really how they have some sort of fix for the patcher before then otherwise it 1.18 could be a nightmare with the patcher in it's current state.

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I still have not seen anyone prove 100% that the current patch system forces you to download all the current patch data at once every patch cycle.

For all we know the file that house major things like the Market Wards and Combat have to be redownloaded each time a minor edit is made to them because of encryption.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

I still have not seen anyone prove 100% that the current patch system forces you to download all the current patch data at once every patch cycle.

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It's not the patch system. It's just misuse of the patch system. Previously they were using it correctly but now they're providing redundant data. And yes, people have done diffs on the files produced in the patch to show that of the 300+ MB downloaded, only a small amount has changed, and only a few of the files have changed in the entire package.

It would be like they're torrenting a collection of music, and they later update one of the included albums to provide album art, but rather than include only those files in the new .torrent file, they're marking all the other songs, and the FFXIV client (for obvious reasons) doesn't let us do a partial download.

This really seems like just a casual mistake on their part, but once again, it is very difficult to communicate this fact to them.

Funny thing is yesterday was the first on for me that downloaded at 600k a sec

Lol I like to think that they are adding ninja patches that they are not telling us about :)

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

I still have not seen anyone prove 100% that the current patch system forces you to download all the current patch data at once every patch cycle.

For all we know the file that house major things like the Market Wards and Combat have to be redownloaded each time a minor edit is made to them because of encryption.

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Actually Viion has proved that each update in 1.17, 1.17a, 1.17b, 1.17c all contained exactly the same data + a little bit extra in this thread here:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ighlight=patch

Unless you have something to prove otherwise that we aren't re-downloading the same data over and over again then I will have to go with Viion on this one.

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Originally Posted by Ruri

This is why I use uTorrent to dl my patches. SE's updater tool is horrible.

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UTorrent sounds like a good idea? But where do I download those files. Could someone give me some insight, thanks?

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Originally Posted by CoolBlitz

UTorrent sounds like a good idea? But where do I download those files. Could someone give me some insight, thanks?

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I don't think we can post that information on these forums but Google is your friend ^^