Really love the game, but your service forced me to quit.

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Originally Posted by Taemek

In case people are still clueless, I am quoting myself to pull the thread back on track because some people have some serious reading comprehension disabilities.

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Why are you quoting yourself? Wouldn't quoting the original post be more fitting? Is this thread all about your opinions now?

Glad to see the community of Final Fantasy is still as toxic & delusional as before, can always count on it. Glad to see so many are happy with the broken game and impolite/uncaring community.. really makes for a pleasant experience. So glad I quit, only came back out of curiosity of 2.1 news and this was the top post at the time.

"We don't need ppl like you around.." You guys are so sad, enjoy your online world, cause you surely cant live in the real world.

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Originally Posted by Mujen

Glad to see the community of Final Fantasy is still as toxic & delusional as before, can always count on it. Glad to see so many are happy with the broken game and impolite/uncaring community.. really makes for a pleasant experience. So glad I quit, only came back out of curiosity of 2.1 news and this was the top post at the time.

"We don't need ppl like you around.." You guys are so sad, enjoy your online world, cause you surely cant live in the real world.

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Judging by this post you should stay because you fit right in with everything you just said.

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Originally Posted by Sixmp

I am lucky,this is the first game that i am not effected by any maintenance. I do not remember a huge outcry from any US or Oz players defending the EU for massive amounts of lost game time.
What i do remember is that when ever i or anyone else complained when any of the games that did things during my play time is being told to STFU and deal with it.

I am not stating this to be be smug or a smarty pants, just saying that now the shoe is on the other foot just chill out and wait for things to calm down. SE might make minor changes to their schedule but i wouldn't expect them to start jumping through hoops any time soon.

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I liked his quote because i am personally bored of watching people complain like they are the only people ever to have the bad side of maintenance times.

This is the first MMO i have played where the maintenance has not effected my play time. Usually the unaffected party is USA or JP. I never made a huge fuss, i excepted that things needed to be fixed and excepted that the times picked were effecting as little people as possible and i was just unlucky.
I have put up with this stuff for over 10 years.

I do not remember multiple threads happening on the WoW forums for instance where USA people jumped up and down in the defence of EU players because maintenance was unfair. Yet when for a change the shoe is on the other foot there is a huge uproar and it is suddenly a travesty.

If you cannot play then that is unfortunate but don't expect people to be all up in arms over something so trivial.

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Either you keep posting the same garbage because you aren't getting the attention you feel you deserve or you are indeed rubbing it in his face with comments like, "now the shoe is on the other foot" and "don't expect people to be all up in arms". I ignored your rubbish the first time, but when I seen you regurgitate it in a different worded format, I couldn't resist.

Either you are dyslexic, or trolling? Can't tell if serious....

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Originally Posted by Sixmp

Why are you quoting yourself? Wouldn't quoting the original post be more fitting? Is this thread all about your opinions now?

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If you had any clue what it is like to be in the OP shoes, then you would help him by more professionally addressing the issues in a bigger light so people understand it more clearly.

Communication is key in any successful business model where customer and community relations are the driving force of its success.

If there is an issue that is effecting many, most people are quick to whine and forget how to constructively build an argument due to emotion getting in the way and because this thread has fallen off the rails with posts like yours who are literally poking a stick at nasty bee hive in an attempt to get some kind of attention from it, then yes I am quoting myself in a bid to help the OP achieve what he originally intended to achieve.

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I liked his quote because i am personally bored of watching people complain like they are the only people ever to have the bad side of maintenance times.

This is the first MMO i have played where the maintenance has not effected my play time. Usually the unaffected party is USA or JP. I never made a huge fuss, i excepted that things needed to be fixed and excepted that the times picked were effecting as little people as possible and i was just unlucky.
I have put up with this stuff for over 10 years.

I do not remember multiple threads happening on the WoW forums for instance where USA people jumped up and down in the defence of EU players because maintenance was unfair. Yet when for a change the shoe is on the other foot there is a huge uproar and it is suddenly a travesty.

If you cannot play then that is unfortunate but don't expect people to be all up in arms over something so trivial.

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Okay, thank you for your answer.

For the record I live in Europe, so I'm certainly not thinking "US onry(sic)", and was personally never bothered by maintenance times, as they usually are rather late at night for us (excepted emergency ones which are very frequent in this game compared to others and may happen at any time). Also, just fyi, Blizzard seems to have regional teams since WoW's maintenance in the EU are performed at the same relative hours than in the US (that is, from ~6 AM to ~11 AM give or take 1h, and are often limited to a reboot of 5 minutes these days). But let's not digress.

I simply advocate that it's not good for the game to exclude such a huge chunk of the potential customers of the game, even if I'm not affected myself. I would call that a 'business/service' feedback. I do not ask for anyone's sympathy (certainly not for me, as you see) nor do I offer any. My point of view is mainly and simply the interest of the game. I simply state that how SE manages maintenances schedules, and their elevated frequency, may be detrimental to the game.

If I understood you correctly, since you used to be affected and never complained, now that you're not affected you consider that others shouldn't complain either, because seeing people voicing negative feedback is boring you. You also believe that these threads are aimed at you, and that the posters complaining are asking you to sympathise.

Is that correct?
And do you (or others) agree with the idea that "The whole pacific zone could stop playing and the game would keep running"?

To all those who support that statement: I, for one, find such a sentiment obnoxious. People voice a discontent: not sympathising is one thing, but pushing them away and denying their frustration is another entirely. Indifference may be preferable, because at least it doesn't aim at diminishing the game itself, and doesn't negate other's feeling about it.

Thus regardless of that statement's validity, I fail to see how that would be good for the game's profitability (more profit = more content, better service for all), or how it helps this community's cohesion or agreeability. If defending a game or feeling better implies making the game worse, I think it's a strange, quite detrimental way to do it.

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Either you keep posting the same garbage because you aren't getting the attention you feel you deserve or you are indeed rubbing it in his face with comments like, "now the shoe is on the other foot" and "don't expect people to be all up in arms". I ignored your rubbish the first time, but when I seen you regurgitate it in a different worded format, I couldn't resist.

Either you are dyslexic, or trolling? Can't tell if serious....

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How hard is it to understand that there is the whole world playing this game?
That trying to change things to suit yourself might not be what is actually best for everyone?
SE have decided the times when they will perform maintenance.
I stated what i said because it is true. I have had this for 10 years. It is also true that for the first time maintenance is not effecting EU players and it is effecting USA.
It is also true that many people seem to think that the US is more important than the rest of the world.
It is also true that you are insulting and an obvious buffoon and i bid you farewell.

btw i repeated what i said because i was asked to. Seeing as you are on the pulse of the thread you would think you would have seen that. I guess you were just too busy reading your own replies.

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How hard is it to understand that there is the whole world playing this game?
That trying to change things to suit yourself might not be what is actually best for everyone?
SE have decided the times when they will perform maintenance.
I stated what i said because it is true. I have had this for 10 years. It is also true that for the first time maintenance is not effecting EU players and it is effecting USA.
It is also true that many people seem to think that the US is more important than the rest of the world.
It is also true that you are insulting and an obvious buffoon and i bid you farewell.

btw i repeated what i said because i was asked to. Seeing as you are on the pulse of the thread you would think you would have seen that. I guess you were just too busy reading your own replies.

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The point is not the hours, but the frequency of the downtime.

Yes people expect updates and maintenance, but not every 1 to 2 days.

Yes people can accept maintenance, but not every sitting when they plan to play.

This is the point, it is not about any one persons personal gain here, if you had any ability to comprehend what you read, you would know this.

I await your witty retort as you seem like the type of person who just has to have the last say and are clearly right, because your 10 years of experience makes it so.

Nobody makes a person quit. Those people CHOOSE to quit. They chose to quit because the game wasn't up constantly during their play time which is fair. SE nor did anyone else make a person quit. Love it when stupid delusional people try to play themselves as a victim.

4/10 this troll topic has been played out, wtb new content.

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Originally Posted by Taemek

The point is not the hours, but the frequency of the downtime.

Yes people expect updates and maintenance, but not every 1 to 2 days.

Yes people can accept maintenance, but not every sitting when they plan to play.

This is the point, it is not about any one persons personal gain here, if you had any ability to comprehend what you read, you would know this.

I await your witty retort as you seem like the type of person who just has to have the last say and are clearly right, because your 10 years of experience makes it so.

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I support this message.

There there.....

Cya when 2.1 hits. I love when people say a month of a game for $12 doesn't justify that they might miss a few hours here and there. Meanwhile, $12 is going to see a movie or buying lunch.

Meanwhile people pay 70$ to play a 7-8 hours game.

If the OP you do not like maintenance fixes. It Does suck , but if there not fixing the game breaking cheat bugs there fixing. Reason there not telling us what all the maintenance most of the time is. Then the game just becomes, a cheat feast. Yea sucks they are in japan time and we got to go on there time frame. Yet they can pick any time and it will effect many people the same. We here in the Usa are not the only people playing. It also got more maintenance fixes early on in a mmo's cycles same for every mmo. Impossible to test everything with massive amounts of people. It only takes one accidental weird key combo from some one to find a glitch. It better just to play the game now then have 10 years of beta testing.

NO EU servers are the one thing im pissed about at this moment. The lagg is horrible from Norway on peek times. Unplayable , all I can do is craft..

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I fail to see how you could claim to love this game, yet at the same time be actually glad that others can't play it. :(

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The point is - The game has more uptimes by far than it does down time, this is why you see (usually the SAME handful of vocal people) complain when a maintenance happens at what is probably the best time frame they could have chosen. People seem to think SE has to conform for their schedule. I wonder if you could go up to your boss and demand s/he does things your way and at your own pace.

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The point is - The game has more uptimes by far than it does down time, this is why you see (usually the SAME handful of vocal people) complain when a maintenance happens at what is probably the best time frame they could have chosen. People seem to think SE has to conform for their schedule. I wonder if you could go up to your boss and demand s/he does things your way and at your own pace.

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ROFL. SE is not anyone's boss here. Fail.

FYI - a service should have a 99% uptime.

So I get that this is a heated discussion, and I couldn't read all 15 pages (sorry!), but I have a question for the more technically minded. Sorry if this has been addressed or if this is a stupid question!

Guild Wars 2 had a system where you'd be able to play the game while they were performing maintenance, only bringing the servers down for ~5-15 minutes. The way this was explained to me is that they would work on the updates and maintenance on a different server, and then apply the update to the game in that 5-15 minute period. This was just wonderful, it obviously cut down on the times the game was inaccessible to the players. Is there some reason that Square can't do the same thing that ArenaNet does (or did, haven't played it in a while)? I'm not saying it's necessary for the game to be successful, but it sure would cause less downtime and irritate less people. That's usually a good thing.

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Glad to see the community of Final Fantasy is still as toxic & delusional as before

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Yet people still believe you don't have more uptime and acting like the game is always down just because it happens to fall into "your" playtime.

Don't take it personal man, Yoshi and his team are doing everything they can! Its not about you and your friends, just try not to take it/make it personal.

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So I get that this is a heated discussion, and I couldn't read all 15 pages (sorry!), but I have a question for the more technically minded. Sorry if this has been addressed or if this is a stupid question!

Guild Wars 2 had a system where you'd be able to play the game while they were performing maintenance, only bringing the servers down for ~5-15 minutes. The way this was explained to me is that they would work on the updates and maintenance on a different server, and then apply the update to the game in that 5-15 minute period. This was just wonderful, it obviously cut down on the times the game was inaccessible to the players. Is there some reason that Square can't do the same thing that ArenaNet does (or did, haven't played it in a while)? I'm not saying it's necessary for the game to be successful, but it sure would cause less downtime and irritate less people. That's usually a good thing.

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GW2 was able to pull in all of their online game experience from GW1, and ArenaNet to make their system work properly. They had the proper architects and infrastructure people designing the back end to GW2 with that update system in mind.

For some reason, even though SE has already produced 1.5 MMO's, FFXIV feels like it's a companies first stab into the market from a technical perspective. How they implemented their netcode, to how often they are having to bring servers down three months after release. I'm still not sure why more people are not worried about this pattern. It does not bode well for the future of the game.

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GW2 was able to pull in all of their online game experience from GW1, and ArenaNet to make their system work properly. They had the proper architects and infrastructure people designing the back end to GW2 with that update system in mind.

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Let's be honest - Even though we get told not to compare ARR to other MMOs, since people keep bringing up GW2 and GW1, GW1 wasn't a true MMORPG much like PSO/PSO2 aren't true MMORPGs.

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You can say this about any company since you're posting in a topic regarding maintenance, every company does maintenance especially at a high frequency during launch and for a while after. SE's FFXI had a ton of maint. in early 2002, then it slowed way down to the point of only happening when they needed to fix a game breaking bug or post major update/expansion live date (CoP's 15-16 hour maintenance...)

These days, XI is hardly ever down, so you can't really determine much even though this is SE's 3rd major MMO since XIV ARR was a redesign, a newly launched redesign of barely 4 months old and not even had one major update yet.

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Let's be honest - Even though we get told not to compare ARR to other MMOs, since people keep bringing up GW2 and GW1, GW1 wasn't a true MMORPG much like PSO/PSO2 aren't true MMORPGs.

You can say this about any company since you're posting in a topic regarding maintenance, every company does maintenance especially at a high frequency during launch and for a while after. SE's FFXI had a ton of maint. in early 2002, then it slowed way down to the point of only happening when they needed to fix a game breaking bug or post major update/expansion live date (CoP's 15-16 hour maintenance...)

These days, XI is hardly ever down, so you can't really determine much even though this is SE's 3rd major MMO since XIV ARR was a redesign, a newly launched redesign of barely 4 months old and not even had one major update yet.

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While GW1 wasn't a *true* MMORPG, it was a massively online game, with a backend system just like any other MMO. It's 100% accurate to compare the backend of FFXIV, or any MMO, to GW1/2.

Actually, I can not say that about any AAA MMO that has come out in the past several years. AAA MMO's do not do a maintenance/downtime every 2-3 days, not even a month after release. SE is the unique butterfly of MMO services that seems to need four times as much downtime per week as other games.

If you're telling me that FFXIV is following the same pattern as a game they released a decade ago, well again, how can you not be concerned? Did they not learn any lessons in the past 10 years?

I'm tired of the maintenance and I have had several friends who work in the same industry, Chefs, quite this game bc of it. I expect fairly frequent maintenance at least once a month but this already what time 4 for this month? i'm glad you get to sleep through maintenance however for our GC it always fall during the middle of an event I don't understand why they don't rotate it so it's not always effecting the same people especially when you look at on a global scale more then on just a local scale they are effectively locking entire areas out of the game repeatedly. 11 had this same problem all updates were done at roughly 1pm and it doesn't make since you need to rotate otherwise they are showing the favoritism and effectively telling a portion of your community FU we wont ever change our times ever so that you can play during your prime time.

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I'm tired of the maintenance and I have had several friends who work in the same industry, Chefs, quite this game bc of it. I expect fairly frequent maintenance at least once a month but this already what time 4 for this month? i'm glad you get to sleep through maintenance however for our GC it always fall during the middle of an event I don't understand why they don't rotate it so it's not always effecting the same people especially when you look at on a global scale more then on just a local scale they are effectively locking entire areas out of the game repeatedly. 11 had this same problem all updates were done at roughly 1pm and it doesn't make since you need to rotate otherwise they are showing the favoritism and effectively telling a portion of your community FU we wont ever change our times ever so that you can play during your prime time.

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That's a side effect of living in a place with few people, and/or playing at a time when most people don't. Rotating screws way more people overall, so you just get screwed all the time because there's so few of you. That's just the way it is. WoW is the same way, for mostly the same reason. Maintenance windows are almost always designed to occur when the fewest amount of people are using the system (for everything, not just MMOs). My company does releases in the evening (EST), because there's almost no users on then.