About Wuk's strength [Ending spoilers]

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Originally Posted by Balmung_Griffin

Yes, Endsinger herself says tank LB was Dynamis.

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I watched it again. You are right it was a statement after the limit break. I remembered wrong.
Then I guess they changed it because the Encyclopedia entries always have the word aether. While these books are written as "ingame knowlege" these parts about the abilities of the classes read as actual experiences from the jobs themself with Bard even going so far as to mention who inventet the LB.
Not that it's bad mind you. Dynamis is just as good as an explanation but they have to be careful not to overuse it.
The scene with Wuk Lamat for example, while itself not a horrible idea was really over the top. If she had just used an LB 2 or, like another poster said, struggled actually then the problem would not have been so big.
Getting stronger then teh WoL though is just bullshit.

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Originally Posted by Dogempire

Nah, Ranjit is also stupid and shouldn't have given us a hard time, by that point we've already beaten Shinryu and Omega

His only special trait is that he can punch and kick good and also that he can kill trash mobs (Sin eaters), big deal.

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I Always took that as him having so much experience that he could actually stand toe to toe with us for a time.
In our second encounter we whooped his butt. We werent even really losing the first time either.

To this day I don't get why we kept running away from him thoughout the zones.

Wuk Lamat's power ups definitely leaned too much into the power of friendship territory for me. I don't mind her overcoming the odds, but it didn't feel earned.

The fight against Bakool Ja Ja should have been similar to Thancred vs Ranjit. Thancred knew he was outmatched, he had to bring his absolute A game and draw from every last of his reserves and in the end might have succumbed to his injuries if the others didn't find him in time. But Wuk Lamat didn't show a single sign auf exhaustion after her fight

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Originally Posted by Voidmage

I watched it again. You are right it was a statement after the limit break. I remembered wrong.
Then I guess they changed it because the Encyclopedia entries always have the word aether. While these books are written as "ingame knowlege" these parts about the abilities of the classes read as actual experiences from the jobs themself with Bard even going so far as to mention who inventet the LB.
Not that it's bad mind you. Dynamis is just as good as an explanation but they have to be careful not to overuse it.
The scene with Wuk Lamat for example, while itself not a horrible idea was really over the top. If she had just used an LB 2 or, like another poster said, struggled actually then the problem would not have been so big.
Getting stronger then teh WoL though is just bullshit.


I Always took that as him having so much experience that he could actually stand toe to toe with us for a time.
In our second encounter we whooped his butt. We werent even really losing the first time either.

To this day I don't get why we kept running away from him thoughout the zones.

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Usually Limit Breaks are aether based, on Endsinger fight was because they were outside of the planet at the End of the Universe were dynamis were up to crazy levels. 1 Aether being equal for example to 100 Dynamis doesnt matter when you are in a place of an absurd ammount of dynamis, the very same reason Meteion caused the final days by the dynamis getting through the parts of the planet where the aether concentration were thinner and expand gradually

Ran'jit wasnt that strong but he was a tricky oponent combined with the use of Gukumatz. On the first fight he catches everyone offguard, on the second fight you can already hold your own since you are getting acustomed to his style, to the point that Thancred is barely able to beat him in 1vs1 soon after, while the WoL just crushes him since his hand is completely revealed and doesnt have anything left on his sleeve.

Ran'jit imo had an style suited to assasinations which means that he was extremely deadly on the first encounter but he becomes less dangerous the more he reveals his combat style while his oponents are still alive

Ran'jit is "We have Zenos at home". At least he had the decency to stay dead the first time.

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Originally Posted by Bhearil

Ran'jit wasnt that strong but he was a tricky oponent combined with the use of Gukumatz. On the first fight he catches everyone offguard, on the second fight you can already hold your own since you are getting acustomed to his style, to the point that Thancred is barely able to beat him in 1vs1, while the WoL just crushes him since his hand is completely revealed and doesnt have anything left on his sleeve.

Ran'jit imo had an style suited to assasinations which means that he was extremely deadly on the first encounter but he becomes less dangerous the more he reveals his combat style while his oponents are still alive

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I actually like this explanation, I still want to drop kick Ranjit into the sun, but it's a good explanation

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

I'm not really a fan of using Dynamis as a reason for why someone is suddenly unstoppable. I feel it will lead to very lazy writing.

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Especially when that character has no history associated with it whatsoever. Even we didn't tap into dynamis on a whim but were already blessed by Hydaelyn and later aided by Midgardsormr. Meanwhile, Wuk Lamat just shows up and is so incredibly emotional she just takes her anime superpower because once again the story wanted her to.

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Originally Posted by TheJamJam

What about Wuk then? What kind of heritage does Wuk have that she physically manages to surpass the Wol in one expansion by doing more damage for example against Sphene in the same fight? How can she suddenly suddenly block Sphene's attacks when not even a day ago, she was struggling against Kabool?
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Developer favouritism for Warrior is now lore friendly. Which in and of itself never made any sense.
She just got 590 undeserved buffs before she started the fight.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Especially when that character has no history associated with it whatsoever. Even we didn't tap into dynamis on a whim but were already blessed by Hydaelyn and later aided by Midgardsormr. Meanwhile, Wuk Lamat just shows up and is so incredibly emotional she just takes her anime superpower because once again the story wanted her to.

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It's kind of funny when posed with the question "How do we make Wuk Lamat overcome Bakool Ja Ja?" the writers decided to opt for the easiest and most boring solution instead of, I don't know, playing to her pre-established strengths and having her beat her bully with a genius plan.

Oh wait, she has none because she's just a silly cat that likes peace and is good at talking to people...

Eugh, how does a character with an expansion centered around them have no noteworthy strengths?

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Originally Posted by Dogempire

I actually like this explanation, I still want to drop kick Ranjit into the sun, but it's a good explanation

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Think of Ran'jit like Souichirou Kuzuki from Fate: Hes basically a trained assasin that with Caster enhancements is able to almost kill Saber that she is completely superior to him, but even himself stated that it wouldnt work on her again.

Ran'jit is skilled and with TONS of experience but stat wise the WoL is a bit stronger since the start and that gulf becomes even bigger when he does his last stand against the WoL when he no longer have anything left to use while the WoL kept improving themselves

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Originally Posted by Voidmage

I watched it again. You are right it was a statement after the limit break. I remembered wrong.
Then I guess they changed it because the Encyclopedia entries always have the word aether.

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I wouldn't say the encyclopedia is wrong, it's just that the Ancients could only use Aether and we can use whatever is available, during Endsinger fight there's only Dynamis so we use that. Think of an hybrid car where you can use ethanol and gasoline XP